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6:27 AM
Hmm, I need a tool that casts delayed comment flags. I'd occasionally get a "Thanks" comment on an answer. I see it, I'm suitably thanked, so the comment is no longer needed. I flag it and it disappears but then the author decides to re-thank after not seeing the initial comment being present.
It also happens on other people's answers.
If I were to delay the flag by a day or something, then I don't think I'd need to re-cast flag votes.
I don't know if such a tool exists, though. I've seen some userscripts for timed self-destructing comments but not for doing the same on other comments.
I might have to make something myself. I have...ugh, my sort of mass flagging userscript. Which is kind of work in progress. I might try to add it there. Maybe that will motivate me to actually work towards finishing the script in some form or another.
 
frankly this should be built-in
"will be NLN in a few days"
 
6:43 AM
It basically already is, if you consider the latency of mod-handling time for flags to be a feature.
 
Unless it matches the one-flag delete regex
 
He prefers to be called "Sam", oh, right, you meant the actual regex.
 
7:02 AM
@RyanM As should the ability to flag 10-ish comments without that taking about minute. But here we are.
 
Well, no
You shouldn't be raising comment flags that quickly, because, if you are, it means either (A) you aren't properly reading and evaluating the usefulness of each comment, or (B) you should be flagging the entire post to have all the comments under it deleted.
 
For example, "What have you tried?" comments don't require full five seconds to read and evaluate. And I can do a SEDE query for those.
 
Eh. Ugh.
I'm not a big fan of using queries to find comments to flag...
If that was valuable, the system and/or a moderator would do it.
As it stands, it strikes me as either a waste of time or an attempt to boost one's flag count or both.
 
There are also plenty of situations where multiple comments on multiple posts might need to be flagged. E.g., a question received multiple answers and then OP commented under each with "check update" or something otherwise useless. Five years ago, so not at all relevant any more.
Or maybe even last week, so also not relevant any more.
So, I'm not just talking about flagging multiple comments under a single post. There are enough other cases where it's scattered comments under multiple posts.
 
I am just not in favor, in principle, of making comments easier to flag...
 
7:11 AM
Even just flagging three comments in one Q&A is annoying.
 
We already get so many useless and invalid flags on comments...
There are too many users who seem to think that it's some kind of prize to get as many comments deleted as you can
Or who still parrot that nonsense about comments being "ephemeral", or whatever
Heck, I just saw an answer on Meta claiming that "wrong" comments are a subset of "obsolete"! Blew my mind.
 
@CodyGray I get that but I also don't get that. Comments are designed to be ephemeral and temporary. But are also not used for that. Mainly due to lack of other facilities.
The most recent thing in the system I started to bemoan is the lack of ability for experts to weigh in. The voting system is inadequate, especially when identifying especially wrong and even dangerous answers. The only other option is comments but...those are rarely enough. A bad answer with positive score will still receive upvotes. And many would ignore the comment.
 
They're not designed to be either ephemeral or temporary.
If they were designed to be that, they'd be automatically deleted. They're not.
What they are designed to do is provide commentary on an answer. It's really not that obscure of a concept. "Commentary" is broad, and so is their intended use.
 
See that whole reason Docker won't run on Windows if Razer driver manager was installed. Because of a wrong answer on SO which a comment correctly identified as severely flawed. twitter.com/Foone/status/1229641258370355200 There was commentary but it didn't stop two big, prominent software products from just nicking the wrong code. Because it was accepted.
 
They were literally designed to allow people to post commentary under an answer without having to post a new answer, because, before comments were added, people were posting replies, additions, and other types of comments as new answers on the post.
And it was obvious we were not going to stop that, and we didn't necessarily even want to prevent this type of relevant information from getting posted, so the comment feature was added.
@VLAZ Ironically, the actual problem there is that no one edited it. Probably because they were scared of getting their edit privileges removed because they were using edits to improve the site.
A comment is not the appropriate solution there, I totally agree. The appropriate solution is making an edit. Fix the damn problem. Don't comment about it.
 
7:29 AM
There are plenty of answers which cannot be edited. Because they are completely and irreversibly wrong. Not just containing a bug.
 
(Another problem is, of course, copy-pasting code from Stack Overflow. I wish the company didn't encourage this. I'd honestly prefer it be made more difficult to copy code from Stack Overflow. But that's probably not something that's ever going to happen, or even matter.)
@VLAZ But we weren't talking about those. Those should either be edited or removed.
 
The only edit is completely re-writing the answer. Which isn't something I ever want to do instead of posting a correct answer. And often I don't even want to post an answer because it's not needed - the question is a duplicate or needs closure.
 
Or, perhaps, left standing as an example of a common mistake that people make when attempting to solve the problem, but which you should not make, for reasons indicated in the comments.
 
@CodyGray I can agree with that. I think there should be a way to indicate that the answer is discouraged. Downvotes don't work, as observed - the offending answer there was +122 / -42. Most of the downvotes came after it was public that the answer was incorrect.
Downvoting is extremely ineffective for answers with positive score.
 
Downvoting is also ineffective for answers with subtle mistakes that look mostly correct to the casual observer.
Which is why such answers should be edited instead. Did I already say that? Feels like I might have already said that.
 
7:34 AM
Recently, somebody posted an answer which was factually wrong, contained "a solution" to the problem in the OP but it was a workaround with unmentioned shortcomings. It was a +2 when I found it. Casting a downvote makes no difference - afterwards it had a score of 1 which seems like a decent answer.
I've not checked since - it might have attracted more votes but I doubt it. Many posts mostly get votes shortly after being posted and get almost no change since.
Editing the answer, again, requires a complete re-write.
And worse, OP didn't actually specify what solution they were looking for. There are several possible ones.
 
But did you explain in a comment why the answer was incorrect?
 
I did.
 
If that's done adequately, then I genuinely feel that the fault is on the people who choose not to read the information in front of their faces.
We did everything we reasonably could do.
We should not delete answers that provide workarounds with unmentioned shortcomings.
(Although I would be in favor of editing the answer to list the shortcomings, in a factual and neutral way.)
The voting system isn't necessarily meant to provide that level of discrimination.
 
That's just it - it's not enough. I don't want the answer deleted. I want a stronger indication that it's not correct. Some times even incorrect solutions are worth pointing out. But shouldn't be used.
 
Posts that look good, are readable, seem relevant, etc. are all going to get upvotes. You can't take upvotes as a signal that the answer is technically correct and best-practice. They may represent that, but they may not.
@VLAZ Imagine, then, if there were a way to indicate in the answer itself that there were relevant shortcomings that one should consider...
 
7:41 AM
@CodyGray Which is why I bemoan the fact that there is no way to differentiate.
 
Do you think maybe we should introduce that feature?
You know, where subject-matter experts can edit in relevant information on an answer's shortcomings/limitations?
 
I'll run an experiment of how many times that makes a difference. I tend to avoid introducing such category of changes in an edit after the author reverted them too many times, so I stopped bothering.
And I didn't just edit "this is bad because" but added examples that support the text or expanded on what was said.
 
I've never seen an author revert such changes, and I've made them countless times.
 
Not everybody does. Especially on older answers. But editing recently posted answers tends to get more of a reaction.
 
I would be less surprised if you told me somebody other than the author rolled back these edits...
 
7:47 AM
I'd be shocked if it happened.
 
I've seen it happen many times.
With some sanctimonious comment about how you are breaking the rules by making that edit
 
I mean, I know it happens. But I've seen it happen mostly when "other" information is edited in. Like a completely different solution or text that's unneeded.
 
8:02 AM
@CodyGray I generally read the comments to get context, decide which ones are NLN, then flag all at once.
I've hit that rate limit many, many times before getting the diamond
it also doesn't take me five seconds to read a five-word comment
"I will try that please wait" does not require five seconds of thought to determine if it's NLN (spoiler: it is)
 
Also, something like "Please add <relevant information" -> "OK, I will update the post" -> "I have updated, check now" type short chains are common.
2-4 comments that become irrelevant after an edit, is what I'm talking about.
 
Yes, but are all comments that you're flagging, back-to-back, of that form? That hasn't been my experience.
There's always some other stuff mixed in there where you have to actually read it, maybe even (heaven forbid) think about it, to decide whether it contains any useful information.
Even something as simple as "that didn't work because..."
 
8:19 AM
I read the entire conversation before deciding to flag. And I try not to flag stuff like "Please include <information>. By the way, here is something that might be relevant: <stuff other than the request>"
So, by the time I want to flag, say, three comments, I don't have to spend 5 seconds per comment.
And likely didn't need to spend 15 seconds on the conversation, either but that's besides the point.
 
So maybe there should be a "burst" rate, limited to comments under the same post, which you could have reasonably read and then decided to flag as a batch.
 
That's quite reasonable.
I don't tend to flag, say, 50 comments at once. 10 is a stretch but can happen across multiple posts in a whole Q&A.
And when I say "at once", I mean that I run into the flag limit.
 
I know what "at once" means, I've seen the flag queue. :-)
 
 
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2:47 PM
yeah, a burst rate would be fine in 98% of cases I think
 

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