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3:02 AM
@OlegValter Jesus Christ! How can someone think that new style is good???
Why on earth are they making such changes?!
It threw me off soo badly when I opened Meta
Change for the sake of change is bad :(
 
3:54 AM
"There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now."kaya3 6 hours ago
 
 
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12:40 PM
Rather unsurprisingly, the ignored tags have been butchered. Old UI - they do not stand out. New UI visually heavy IGNORED just to make sure you know to ignore them...which draws more attention to the question.
 
12:53 PM
@Sabito錆兎 welcome back to the daily life on the network :)
@VLAZ I noticed that too when I was pointed to the Stacks update some time before the change went live - I appreciate the idea of color-coded labels for different states of a given post, but yeah, the decision to make "ignored" a label with a high-contrast background color that insures that any post with it stands like a sore thumb is baffling
I guess that's what happens when you offload business logic to CSS guys :)
If you ask me, I would prefer ignored tags to be just filtered out from the collection - I ignore them for a reason, god damn it
at least the old UI made these posts easy to... well... ignore
@Sabito錆兎 heh, you need to justify hiring a whole UI team somehow :) that said, all this time and resources would be better spent on addressing many, many iasues with both UI and UX that the community at large has been begging for years to be solved
@Sabito錆兎 eh, it is not all that bad, there is just a ton of strange decisions, bugs (that part has been worrying me for quite a while - how on earth can there be so many on release?), and oversights...
 
1:12 PM
@OlegValter There is a setting - whether you want ignored tags to be greyed out or hidden.
 
@VLAZ yeah, I mean, I'd prefer this to be the only behavior - does it make sense to show questions that are explicitly ignored?
 
You saw the "Old UI" image, right? If I were to hide the ignored tags on RPG.SE, there would barely be anything left.
Here is the first page of questions when the ignored tags are hidden: i.imgur.com/AbbpFmF.png
 
@VLAZ isn't it the idea behind ignoring something - willfully deciding you do not want to see what is being ignored? :) In any case, I agree that the old UI did a better job in that regard
 
I personally don't like that. I also barely use the "ignore user" feature where available because I believe that content has to be truly irredeemable to completely remove. And I don't think that's the case for many things.
I'm OK with de-emphasising ignored content but still allowing it to be accessed. One forum I used would collapse posts from ignored users - you could still click to expand them if you need to see what a conversation is about.
On RPG.SE occasionally there is a good question which also happens to be tagged D&D. Many aren't but still.
 
 
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2:42 PM
@VLAZ yeah, although in contrast to ignoring tags, the "ignore user" feature reeks of the cultural practice of shunning, and I am not in favor of that. It also stands against the motto of evaluating content, not users, which I strongly support
@VLAZ I understand your POV on that - it's just that for me, "ignore" is a fancy word for "filter", so it makes sense that the ignored content is filtered out. I am fine with just deephasising content but making it accessible, though - and that's what, as we both agree, the new design does not do well - with this label, ignored questions stand out even more than the non-ignored ones. I would not call it satisfying the success criterion on de-emphasising content :)
 
Same here. Over the course of my online participation, I've found very few users worth ignoring. As I said, the content they produce should be completely irredeemable. Which happens but trolls tend to get dealt with quickly. For me to ignore someone, they have to be straight trolling. The "soft ignore" feature that collapsed the posts was more OK, since I knew I wouldn't lose out on somebody's content. But perhaps I didn't want to read all they wrote.
Some users might hold...strong opinions on some topics. While they might behave quite OK in others.
GameFAQs has a decent feature where you can "tag" users. Basically it adds a small custom label next to their name. You can then use that to say something like "technically inept" if they post garbage in technical discussions. Or something like "great taste in games" if their recommendations are all awesome. It's not really ignore, nor "watch", so you can use it for either or whatever you wish.
I had one user tagged as "drive by troll" since they did the classic post a controversial topic and leave several times. When they showed up again a year later I knew not to engage.
Also, GameFAQs has a terrible feature called "block". You can ignore a user and then you cannot see their posts. You can then block an ignored user and they cannot see what you post. IMO, a terrible solution to a weird problem. Which is that an ignored person can still reply to you, even if you don't see it.
 
3:46 PM
@VLAZ yeah, an ability to add some sort of annotation like "tread carefully", "cannot be reasoned with", or similar is a nice feature to have, I wouldn't mind SE having one too - seems to be quite useful
@VLAZ I dislike hard blocks too - in my opinion, they only serve to alienate the person being blocked (especially if they can figure out they are being shunned) and does not address the root cause - the behavior that caused the blocking in the first place
I guess sometimes the most reasonablw thing to do is to just cut all ties with a person or temporarily "put them on hold", but this feels like just giving up
 
 
4 hours later…
8:00 PM
speaking of ignored and watched tags, seems like the feedback was taken into account:
 

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