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5:21 AM
@Scratte are you Grays?
 
 
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6:43 AM
@double-beep Yup
 
7:37 AM
I wonder when they'll deploy that Stacks v.0.66.0 to Stack Overflow.
I'm wondering if I should release a script that's not completely finished.. as in the code doesn't look like I want it do, but everything in it seems to work.
 
release in a private GH repo?
 
It's hard to link to, no? :)
 
@Oleg you won :)
 
Huh?.. Where is what? You're profile?
 
Settings > Account security
 
7:55 AM
Yes. Ok, so you set it up?
I suppose you can get more responsibilities with the repository now :) Does that mean more work for you? :D
 
8:34 AM
Is it considered bad practice to put letters in version numbers?
 
@Scratte example?
 
8:50 AM
@version 0.45.gui or @version 0.45.beta
 
a.b.c-beta (e.g. 0.45.0-beta) is used
why would you need to add .gui in a version number?
 
9:07 AM
Because I'd like two distributions. One with and one without the gui.
 
 
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10:39 AM
I have an idea of how to eliminate some of my code :) Only problem is that it will require some re-writing, where I can't know if it works until I'm done. No small increments. I'm afraid to try it out :D
 
spit it out! :D
 
Heh.. so you say: Just try it! What's the worst that can happen? :)
 
exactly :) you can use the GH repo as a backup
 
That is the beauty of version control. It's not so much that I can't go back. It's more the effort required just to see if it works, that bothers me :)
But I guess for those less than 10 users that will like and use the script, it's worth it :D
 
 
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1:53 PM
@Sabito錆兎 There is always a discussion. :)
Hello. :)
 
2:38 PM
@double-beep admin permissions coming right up :)
 
It's alive! :) (this is a joke, by the way.. I heard it in a movie :-)
 
Who is alive?
 
The one that never sleeps :)
 
Oleg Valter, no?
 
@Scratte and comes from a book :)
no one zapped with lightning, though :)
although I feel like a zombie
 
2:47 PM
Windows 10 end of support. :)
 
Ah, yes. Lightning was the key :) Duh!.. ninja'd on the lightning :)
 
@OlegValter Skelton. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour hm, they were going to present a new version on June, 12th, right? I think I missed it
 
@KevinM.Mansour I think that was Shelley, no?
 
@OlegValter June 24.
 
2:49 PM
@KevinM.Mansour ouch
@Scratte yup
 
Maybe Windows or Windows 11.
@Scratte Yes.
 
Wait.. Windows 10 ends support? Isn't the entire world of Windows on 10?
 
@Scratte Yes.
 
So, how can they end support?
 
15 October 2025 is end of support and new version in 24 June 2021. Reviling next generation of OS.
 
2:52 PM
@Scratte they will probably offer an upgrade for those who own W10
but it looks odd - XP support was ended way after a couple new versions were released
 
But what I am laughing on from the morning is they released date of end of support for Windows 10 and they didn't announce new OS yet. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour You might find that providing with a link is better than saying stuff like that.
 
Official Microsoft docs indicate that Windows support will end on October 14th, 2025
5
 
@double-beep thank you, October 14th, 2025 sounds much more plausible
 
Thank you. I got spooked that my Windows stopped getting updates after June 24. Because that's pretty much how Kevin presented it.
 
2:56 PM
@Scratte douple beep added link and that is officially, no?
 
if I understand correctly, there will be a Windows event on June 24th where they'll tease the upcoming Windows version
 
@KevinM.Mansour Yes. After I had a minor heart attack, difficulty breathing.. thinking that I'd have 117 more items on my todo list.
I see :) Lets hope it doesn't add to another blue screen event :)
 
@Scratte That is so funny. a minor heart attack and difficulty breathing
 
@KevinM.Mansour It wasn't funny for me.
 
@double-beep Correct.
@Scratte Don't worry but start packing your bag to move to the new version. :)
 
3:01 PM
@Scratte I think you should watch the amount of fat balls and suet pellets you eat
 
I am just confused because I got 21H2 update.
 
21H2??
 
@double-beep Yes.
From days but I confused If I will download or wait until 24.
 
@double-beep ;-) Hanging off Slinky Spiral Stair Springs is great exercise..
 
god damn it, I see authors of ARC followed the "@Scratte pattern": autofield.checked = GetStorage("AutoRemote") == "true"; :)
 
3:14 PM
I feel so honored :) You named it mine. It's the ScrattePattern™ :)
 
all right, 95 more errors, and I am done
 
Sometimes, your enemy is also your friend :) Squirrel Raids Bird Feeder
@OlegValter You're not talking about my script, right?
 
@Scratte ARC
 
@OlegValter OK :) Not that I know what ARC is.
 
as for your script - I wanted you to take a look at the comments and merge before we go to the rest :)
@Scratte I find it a very nice acronym, sorry (and it is often used by authors themselves)
 
3:27 PM
OK. This is what I got from "ARC".. "Some project" :D
 
re: review - because it got auto-linted by my IDE, unless you want to wade through diffs inserting spaces, I think I will wait out till you have time to review the update
^ only stylistic linting done, though (missing spaces and such)
 
@OlegValter I looked at the diff, which is almost every line. So I've gone through my code and fixed some of the things. The other things, I'm not so sure about.
 
@Scratte exactly why I want you to review before moving forward :)
 
Is it not possible to review on the branch?
 
@Scratte possible
 
3:30 PM
But I was looking for an idea, not a review. Reviewing is too time consuming. And an opinion of the result, which one only really gets by starting it up.
 
it is also possible to make pull requests over branches (and even self-pulls)
in a sense that I can create another branch, and pull request to this one
it should reduce the diff
 
I suspected it was auto-spaced..
Which broke my carefully selected spaces :D
 
I just wanted you to take a look at what's update so as every idea of mine does not create a diff of a size of a repository
 
But I had an idea.. then I realized it's not going to work. So I had another idea.. but I'm not sure about it.
 
@Scratte hm? It just did the usual thing: 4 spaces everywhere, space after the function keyword
 
3:34 PM
Some of the spaces are just misses on my part, but other ones are carefully selected :)
Yes.. I know what it did
If it must be that way, it's going to force me to use:
 
@Scratte I am not trying to explain to you what it did :) I am trying to understand what spaces were carefully selected (and for what reason)?
 
let varable;
variable =
    something();
Instead of:
const variable =
         something();
 
@Scratte ?
 
const variable =
    something();
 
btw, a GitHub tip
 
3:37 PM
^ that is just wrong in my mind.
 
you can link to the line directly
click the line number, it will append L<line number> to the url
 
Ahh.. yes, I've seen that. I think it can be done directly in the URL.
 
I suspect I know why it's happening, but it will help if you link to an example
 
@Scratte This to me means that the something is of const. Not of the variable. The variable is hidden.
 
@Scratte can you please link to a concrete example? I do not understand what the lint did in this case
 
3:40 PM
Or maybe I just need to get used to it :)
@OlegValter Yes :) I'll find something :)
 
I work better with code than with explanations :)
I suspect I know the problem but I am not sure without seeing it for myself
^ because this should be a matter of one small .editorconfig file
 
I get it, but I don't think the code is going to be different than the example I just gave.
I'll find examples and line numbers :)
 
@Scratte I will explain why it is different if my hunch is confirmed :)
 
I have to put 16 holes in a piece of wood first.
 
@Scratte sorry? Didn't get ya
^ that's no rush if that's what it is supposed to mean
 
3:45 PM
I have to fix something in my flat :)
 
@Scratte ah, that was literal :)
 
Yes, I know. Just saying that it may take a while :)
Yes, literally putting holes in wood :)
 
@Scratte I thought it was a metaphor that you are trying to find an excuse to procrastinate before getting to it :) Try to reread our exchange with that in mind - you'll likely find it hilarious
 
Heh.. :) That's too funny :D
 
4:26 PM
@double-beep Ops! I were wrong, there is no 21H2, I just confused between other name, Sorry for leaking wrong details. :)
 
5:15 PM
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Q: Suggested edit review: it should prompt user for rejection reason on "reject and edit"

C. PeckAs I'm starting to review suggested edits, I noticed, as would anyone else, the following popup that occurs requesting a reason for the edit rejection. However, when I click Reject and Edit, the popup does not appear. Is this for a reason? I am rejecting the edit just the same as when using simpl...

 
Great Feature.
 
another testament to editors/edit reviewers are considered second-class citizens by the general population (sorry, I am still a little mad)
 
Thank you for posting. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour yeah, another great request that will pile on the "10 years and still not implemented" list...
 
@OlegValter Sure. This is Stack Exchange, no?
 
5:18 PM
@KevinM.Mansour yup
frankly speaking, I am thinking about a userscript that will auto-invite the suggested edit author in a room for a talk (optionally, of course)
 
@OlegValter Who is suggested edit author? Is that someone like me?
 
@KevinM.Mansour yup, the user who suggested an edit (I am still fluctuating on the terminology of how to call them)
 
@OlegValter Call them Bad Editors. ;)
 
I call them "Suggested editor"
 
@Scratte I call them "Editors", no?
 
5:27 PM
There's a difference between someone that makes an instant edit and someone that makes a suggested edit.
You're not actually the editor of the post until the edit has been approved.
 
@Scratte I sometimes refer to them as "Suggestors" :)
@KevinM.Mansour mm, methinks not everyone whose edit I think was bad in this instance is a bad editor. Take yourself as an example :)
 
@Scratte Hmm? :)
@OlegValter It was a joke. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour I noticed. But I still wanted to make make note of how I approach edits
 
@OlegValter Anyway, So what you will call them?
 
@KevinM.Mansour whom?
 
5:41 PM
Everyone has their "passions" :) It's OK to have edits as one :)
 
@OlegValter the user who suggested an edits.
 
I had it at a point, and it made me really angry.. so I understand how something on the internet can effect you :)
 
@Scratte My passions is to make an edit?
@Scratte Which point?\
 
No, Oleg's passion about edits :)
When I first started, I made edits too.. then something upset me, and I stopped. That point :) Meaning a point in time.
 
Everyone has a passion. :)
 
5:44 PM
Unless they take valium.. and then everything is fine.
 
@Scratte What is "valium"?
 
First name of diazepam.
 
@Scratte "valium" name is more well-known where I live as well
@KevinM.Mansour I thought I mentioned at least 2 names :) "Suggestors" sometimes, but that's obscure, "Suggested Edit Authors" most of the time, but that's verbose
 
We still use it, but since it's a product-name, it's referred more to as a "calmer" :)
 
@Scratte that's a nice term :)
 
5:49 PM
Nice. :)
 
@OlegValter It's company-unspecific :)
 
methinks it is too late to go back, though - it suffers from the "Xerox problem"
 
Yes, exactly. And I think it's rarely actually a "Valium" that one gets. I prefer to not get "calmers", but instead go under. I'm referring to when one need a medical procedure.
 
did you hear that the EU is going to subsidize Armenia for stopping using the name "cognac" in their brandy products? :)
 
:O But.. why?
 
5:52 PM
@Scratte because it suffers from the same syndrome as Xerox :) "cognac" is a specific type of brandy native to France. I assume it is patented as well
Armenia is also well-known for making brandy, but due to the syndrome, it is usually called "cognac" (whereas it is a different spirit)
EU is going to pay them to stop branding their products with the name :)
 
Ah, OK. Like Champagne. But why subsidize it? If it's that good, it'll survive, no?
 
@Scratte I see your economic views are libertarian :)
 
@OlegValter That is reverse logic. They've stolen the name. Why get paid to stop stealing it?
 
well, I can't speak for the EU officials, obviously, but I think the reasoning is that it is easier than trying to force a country to stop
besides, I don't think it was stolen - it's a historical issue
 
I don't dislike all subsidizing. Just that it really needs better arguments. I'm not happy about the agriculture subsidizing either. It's creating so many problems.
 
5:57 PM
@Scratte it's not like the country is to blame - it simply got recognition as "armenian cognac"
I guess France wanted to finally deal away with it
 
We have low cost food, which we someone sell to lower than production prize in countries that are trying to make it.. it's all really really bad.
 
so they paid for them to rebrand the thing :)
 
It's a name! What on earth are we spending money on?!?
 
> Under European law, the term is a trademark and can only apply to drinks made from particular grapes grown in the Cognac region of southwestern France.
^ ah, yes, I seem to be correct about the reason
> An oft-heard boast is that the beverage produced at the Yerevan Brandy Factory, founded in the 19th century, uses a process imported directly from the French region of Cognac
^ and that's probably the reason why this was this happened in the first place
@Scratte names are important :)
 
I think I'm going to start making vodka, and call it Whiskey :) Then maybe someone will hate it and pay me to name it something else :D
 
6:01 PM
@Scratte sorry, Russia is not a EU member :) You'll probably get poisoned. I know, I'll see myself out...
 
Heh.. I can make vodka even if I'm not in Russia, no? :)
I think I'll add honey to it, maybe it'll be sweet vodka ;) VodcandY ;)
 
@Scratte yup, I can't say if it is a trademark. Finns do a good one
@Scratte be careful as to not to offend the Estonians :)
 
You mean Suktinis? :) I thought that was from Lithuania.
I don't think vodka is a trademark.
 
@Scratte I was talking about mõdu :) Although as far as I recall (I may be wrong), both meads are not vodka-based
 
LOL! Vodka "Vodka (Polish: wódka [ˈvutka], Russian: водка [ˈvotkə], Swedish: vodka [vɔdkɑː]) is a clear distilled alcoholic beverage from Europe" :D :D
I never tried mõdu, but I'm a big fan of Suktinis.
 
6:10 PM
@Scratte yes, it is not specific to Russia
@Scratte I made a quick search - doesn't seem like it, yeah
@Scratte they should be similar (although I can't say I remember the taste well)
 
Ahh.. we call it brændevin. I had no idea that was the same thing. People make that in their basements. It's legal too. My grandfather used to distill it in a small room with curly tubes everywhere :) I still have some pear-brændevin of his somewhere. He'd put a bottle around a small pear, and when the pear was big and ripe, he's cut it off the tree :)
I think he used to test if any methanol was present when it was ready to be bottled.
 
yay, down to 49 issues with ARC
 
Did you remove the ScrattePattern™? :(
 
@Scratte some make pure vodka themselves as well, called "самогон" (moonshine) :)
@Scratte no, it's out of the scope of the rewrite
 
I'm always a little nervous about homebrew though.
@OlegValter Yay.. it still lives somewhere :)
 
6:21 PM
@Scratte yeah, one can easily get poisoned by it (in the sense of food poisoning, I am not sure there's a term)
@Scratte not for long :)
 
Wait.. is ACR the Auto Review Comments script?
 
@Scratte yes (or are you joking?)
 
Then.. I'm much more confident about my pattern. That script is used by everyone on Stack!
@OlegValter I'm not joking.. I had no idea that's what you were talking about this entire time.
 
@Scratte it just means that they couldn't be bothered with properly parsing config :)
 
Nono.. it means they thought carefully about their option and made a choice :D
 
6:22 PM
@Scratte I thought it was well-established that we are working on an ARC rewrite? :) You even asked me
@Scratte whatever, if it makes you feel better about it :)
 
ARC does not translate to Auto Review Comments for me.
@OlegValter I think it makes me feel even better about it :)
 
@Scratte don't worry, the next iteration will get rid of it :)
 
Let me see if I can find some Gin in my kitchen to celebrate this great find :)
 
it's just that it's too much to fix right now already
fix as in make the compiler happy
 
Ahh.. but with my own script, I imagine I will have some influence :)
 
6:25 PM
I couldn't help myself and already removed most of jQuery (sorry, @double-beep), but left all the patterns intact. This is where I think our work should lie after I push it back: optimize and update
 
we should also take a look at the issues and PRs in the original repo
 
@Scratte true :) I just want to ask you to reconsider - you are using a bad practice for no reason
@double-beep yup
 
(especially #175)
 
it should be noted that it's not that I don't like jQuery that much, just that it outlived its usefulness given the current state of JS
@double-beep o_O. I've noticed that it creates prefixed properties but just now realize that it makes a whole bunch of them
 
I understand. I feel I'd have to reverse the logic though in order to make my inner user happy.
 
6:28 PM
btw, @Scratte - this is mostly why they use the == "true"
if they used JSON.stringify and a config object to save, and JSON.parse to load, the way the methods work, "true" would've always been a boolean
 
@OlegValter I think that's what I do.
 
@double-beep shall I live #175 to you and not touch anything?
@Scratte that's exactly why the config object is there :) You can save the whole thing in one prop and quickly load it :)
gosh, I love keeping settings in config objects
 
But changing all the config elements to be false when the feature is to be on, is a bit.. I don't like that.
 
@Scratte rename the property :) If it has to be off on true and on on false, it is not named properly, methinks
 
It still bothers me.
@OlegValter That's the only way for me. I can't have that everything makes it true. And only a few things make it false. I have to keep a design that will make it default not turn the feature on, and only when users to the exact right thing will it be on.
 
6:34 PM
@Scratte I really don't get what you mean, sorry. How does it affect a boolean property?
the number of use cases is orthogonal to a switch of 2 states
 
I just picked "Yes". It could have been "Abracadabra" :)
 
@Scratte exactly why it makes the property a boolean flag
if only states matter, it is a binary switch
 
I have no issues with a boolean. I have issues with the type-unsafety.
 
@Scratte sorry?
not sure I understand what's type-unsafe here (honestly)
 
Had it been Java, I'd have picked a boolean. There's noway you can set a boolean to "true" :) It just completely chokes on that :) You don't get to compile it.
 
6:36 PM
@Scratte you have to live with that, come on, it's JavaScript
 
@OlegValter Yes, so I just made another choice that fits :)
Which is: You have to say "Abracadabra", else it's not going to be on :)
 
@Scratte the problem is that nothing stops the user from putting true/false here. And your logic will choke
@Scratte it is in no meaningful way different than "you have to say true for it to be on"
 
I did not test if true === "Yes"
I know that "potato" is true
 
it only differs in that you misuse a data type because of no reason
it's error-prone, it's less maintainable, and it means the same as if(true) //do something
 
Don't say that :) Someone invented a name for that pattern :)
 
6:40 PM
I do sincerely hope you do this just to keep the argument going :)
please, it really starts to bother me that you refuse to see the problem with the approach
 
I plan to keep two versions of the distributions. One with and one without the GUI.
 
@Scratte so...?
@Scratte btw, an idea to think about: you can use dynamic imports to fetch the GUI part for those that want it :)
 
The one without is meant to be edited directly. I know you said that those that choose to do that, just have to make sure they know what they are doing.
@OlegValter So.. they press a button and the script is updated?
 
@Scratte - reference. Yup, pretty much - it's not supported on older browsers, but I think we are not aiming to support those either way
@Scratte something like that, see above - that's a cool thing :)
just an idea to keep in mind
 
I made it lazy loading. So none of the modal elements are created until the user presses the icon.
 
6:44 PM
one thing I am not sure of, though - can one use dynamic imports with userscript managers?
@Scratte yeah, that's basically the same thing
only that you also lazy-load the script itself
 
I'm not sure I want to add the code being fetched on the fly too.
 
@OlegValter I don't think we should do anything for that for now. However, we should keep in mind the new version needs to be backwards-compatible
 
btw, it's also possible to fetch on the fly without imports
 
Some users may not want the icon there at all.
 
@double-beep mm, I just mean overall-wise, not like right now (I already had thoughts about reworking into a config object)
@Scratte that's what I mean, I dunno, something like a shortcut enabling it - and boom, an icon added, and the logic for it loaded without any user interference. Not that I think you must do it - it's your script, that's just an idea
 
6:47 PM
I think.. I'm not going to try to fetch code on the fly at this point. I think I'd like to finish up the script with whatever it has, and maybe after it's released, I can add other things to it.
Else, it's going to turn out to be one of those projects where the entire product is obsolete by the time it's done.
 
@Scratte given the above responses, I think some malicious party adds a "and we need to do it right now" to every message of mine :)
I just churn out ideas that are on my mind, it's not like there is an ETA
 
Nono.. it's just that it I put this on the todo list, I'll have to investigate it :D
I normally put suggestions on the todo list because I should probably look at that :)
 
@Scratte well, that's a good thing, no? :) Learning about DSL (dynamic script loading) is a nice piece of knowledge to have when doing JS
 
Yes. But I should probably start with the JavaScript tutorial, no? :D
 
@Scratte probably :) But I think you already know a lot
 
6:58 PM
It doesn't really feel like it. It feel like I know how to use a loop and an if-statement :)
I know that alone makes me in the top 5% of JavaScript users on the site. But that says more about them than about me :D
 
@Scratte probably top 2-3% :)
 
That's just horrible. 97% of JavaScript users on Stack Overflow are confused about how a loop works :(
 
@Scratte well, that's low barrier of entry for ya :) Also the reason why JS won over the internet
 
I guess I can put "JavaScript" on my CV now :D Probably also CSS, since I know about justify-content ;)
 
7:20 PM
fun of the day: there is a user who deliberately rolls back edits removing tag duplications from title (regardless of improvements to their posts), once took to meta, called me "what's wrong with you", bickered with at least one moderator, and all that for a misguided belief that goes against even the official help center. I think a couple more of those, and I'll mod flag, it starts to flare me up
@Scratte I think you can :)
 
That's.. a little sad, don't think?
I mean someone could hire me thinking I'm a real webdeveloper.
 
@Scratte but, well, you do userscripts, and they work - what I've come to learn is that this is already more than some people expect their developer to be (really, I had a conversation with a client once about that)
@Scratte and they do it constantly. And, apparently, there is a lobby on main that goes under the radar that keeps tags in the title because they think they help searchability
 
Yes, of course they work. That's not the point though..
@OlegValter Heh.. :) Do they wear fatigues? :) ..lacking ..flage?
 
@Scratte is the meaning here "loose clothing, typically khaki, olive drab, or camouflaged, of a sort worn by soldiers on active duty."?
 
@OlegValter ..camouflaged, yes :)
 
7:29 PM
@Scratte ah... I see :)
 
Missing a but (Ha! I didn't do that typo on purpose, but it reminds of something else) though.
 
@Scratte no, they don't, but they dare to openly scold editors :)
I am a patient editor, though - you can't outedit me
 
Then.. I can't find them.
 
it's just sad that people think that posts are their property existing solely to help them find an answer to their question for free
 
If that was the case then Search Engine Optimization shouldn't matter.
I hate to break it to you, but most edit that you don't like are getting approved.
 
7:48 PM
@Scratte it's not my first day on the planet, I know :)
@Scratte sorry, what was the case?
 
Git 2.32.0 have a lot of new features. :)
 
@OlegValter If a user is only interested in getting an Answer on their Question and not caring about the site, why would they are about optimizing search engines on the title of their post?
I have to remove some of your code from my script.. :(
I feel bad for removing it, even if it's only a few lines.
 
@Scratte simple - because they actually said they don't care, they just want to twist the search to their liking because they don't like other other languages to be included in the search that get in because they can't search properly. They took a fight with a mod for that.
 
@Scratte Why?
 
@OlegValter Oh, that's.. funny :)
 
7:55 PM
@Scratte I would link you to the discussion, but I think it is deleted after getting over -50
let me check, though
 
@KevinM.Mansour It depends on a sequence that's not there.
@OlegValter Naah. I trust you gave the summary right there :)
 
@Scratte well, the discussion was quite interesting :) Because a lot of people gave them wrong impression we do know nothing because many started to argue that the tag is prepended in search (however the help center only says about document title - literally the one you see in the tab)
yeah, it's deleted, a bummer - well, only 3711 to go, and I'll be able to show you :)
@Scratte huh?
 
Heh.. no rush :)
 
@Scratte don't be, that's a non-issue
 

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