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12:00 AM
@Scratte and what was that? :) And what does it have to do with the exponential notation?
@Scratte that probably will not go well with anyone :)
@Scratte personal votes?
 
@OlegValter It's a case of when you're a little tired and you find that what you made didn't work. And then in your tiredness you see something that's not there and your head doesn't know what's up and down.. and you suddenly think that you found the error, but then you find.. that you errored in finding the error :)
 
@Scratte but ... what does it have to do with e-notation? :)
 
@OlegValter In a moment of weakness I didn't read it as 5*1000, I did 5^1000..
@OlegValter What someone votes on your profile, not on your post.
 
@Scratte ah, ok :) thankfully, no, exponentiation in JS is **
 
So.. putting in an artificial 2 second wait seems to coincide with the wait of the radios in the box.
 
12:16 AM
@Scratte not necessarily - I checked before, it is different
^ but mostly it fits into 2e3 window, so I think you just made it long enough to matter
 
Heh.. and hopefully it takes more than 3 seconds to review a post anyway.
 
@Scratte I wouldn't count on that :)
 
In that case they will have to wait and click again! :)
Well.. it seems to work now.
 
@Scratte eh, well ... :)
 
I wonder what is worse on performance. 1. Event listener on clicks or 2. Mutation observer.
 
12:29 AM
@Scratte btw, I think @double-beep suggested that before - have you tried inspecting the second parameter to the ajaxComplete callback for the action data, specifically, for the actionDelay property in the responseJSON?
@Scratte nothing - both a pretty fast
^ that all depends on your handlers
^ obviously, an expensive handler on an MO is going to be slower
 
@OlegValter Ohh.. no, I did not do that.
 
observing a full document with all options set to true will also be slowish
but we are talking unnoticeable slowdown here
@Scratte I think this should help - I am not sure if the actionDelay actually represents the delay for which the buttons stay disabled, but it may be
 
Hmm.. I need to revisit that. Apparently I made another error in judgement so I don't set the response more than the once :)
 
@Scratte "so I don't set the response more than the once" - sorry, what's that supposed to mean? :)
 
@OlegValter I didn't want all the axaj calls to mess with the response, so it it's set, I dont set it again..
I have a local variable where I set it.
actionDelay: 1914.2546 :)
actionDelay: 1938.1178 :)
seems 2 seconds is pretty close :)
 
@Scratte well, that's a great edit ...
 
I think that Answer might need a checkup too..
 
@Scratte the answer?
 
Naah. They made it sound like they copy another Answer, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
@OlegValter It's an edit to an Answer, no?
 
@Scratte I ... don't get you :) If the delay time is returned with each request, doesn't it make sense to set it each time as well? Because it can be longer or shorter - I certainly remember waiting time going up to 5 seconds or so
@Scratte yes, sorry, it's 4 AM here, and I've been up throughout the day, got what you mean, thanks
 
1:11 AM
@OlegValter Yes :) That was when I didn't check for the session.url.. and all kinds of other responses kept messing with it :)
Now I'm using await new Promise((resolve) => setTimeout(resolve, actionDelay)); just like you taught me to :)
 
@Scratte I like how after edit the answer would've looked like: "This doesn't work in PowerShell, <...>, therefore it works" :)
 
It's not even an anonymous user. They registered with an email :)
I plan to see if that edit gets approved :)
 
@Scratte well, that happens from time to time :)
@Scratte it has my reject vote already
 
1:28 AM
I think my ublock broke.
Nope.. I think I just need to sleep.
 
@Scratte then go get some :)
 
..but there's still so much that doesn't work properly yet.
If only Stack used those id's a bit more, they wouldn't have to put in new (but same) elements all the time.
OK.. sleep :)
 
1:50 AM
@OlegValter I'm still around if you want to continue with the election bot :)
 
Oleg just left.. not even a minute ago
 
no worries
I turned off all email notifications on SE, SO, so I show up once a week to scan chat
 
You scan the chat for "Samuel"? :)
 
if there is any urgent/ongoing communication just PM me on Discord: samliew#5555 or private server discord.gg/2vayKqd
@Scratte exactly
 
We're going to need a code-word for when we're talking about you :D
 
1:54 AM
sam; samuel; Samuel Liew; github.com/samliew; userscript; user script
 
But it's nice to have a colourful moderator in here.. it brightens up my chat :)
 
oooh I love it
 
Ohh.. "userscript" and "user script" too? This room must be really lightening up on your scans :)
 
2:06 AM
I got a bunch of weird errors on some userscripts even though I have not edited them in a long time. Seems to be some Tampermonkey issue. Do you happen to know what causes this? i.stack.imgur.com/o81ol.png
No syntax errors on the userscripts itself otherwise vs code would have picked them up
I'll try reinstalling everything
hm, could be because these scripts require another external script
haha I solved it
see you all around
 
 
5 hours later…
7:30 AM
Sorry... I went to sleep.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:56 AM
Is it possible to put in an extra star in:
/**
 * @param {HTMLElement} element
 * @param {boolean} [afterFirst]
 */
to make it:
/**
** @param {HTMLElement} element
** @param {boolean} [afterFirst]
**/
Or does that break the compiler/linter?
 
9:25 AM
room topic changed to Userscript newbies and friends: Repository (under construction) at userscripters (no tags)
room topic changed to Userscript newbies and friends: Repository (under construction) at github.com/userscripters (no tags)
 
@SamuelLiew oh, glad to see you! A dependabot alert reminded me of the repo recently :) Currently, I am trying to understand where my updates have fallen behind the updates you made since then. And I thought I will reach a 2-year anniversary :)
 
Will it be considered cheating if you nominate and make the bot keep talking about you? :)
 
@Scratte 'tis not how you make a multiline comment :) but, I guess, technically, you can
 
@OlegValter I'm just curious if it will break it :)
/***********************************
 ** @param {HTMLElement} element  **
 ** @param {boolean} [afterFirst] **
 **********************************/
Should I post the chat user colour on ModColorFix for Chat?
 
9:51 AM
This seems to be the same as what you want to do for chat SE Comment Link Helper
 
10:10 AM
 
10:28 AM
Perhaps Chat Message Remover can be made into a button. I can only make it work when calling it com the console.
 
10:43 AM
@Scratte yup, I said I love mouse events :)
 
@OlegValter I've changed the colours. And I've made it only apply to meta sites :) But it's on in my browser now :)
 
@Scratte should not
@Scratte but please don't :)
 
Hehe.. I usually add a // ------------------------
/* ---------------------------------------------
 * @param {HTMLElement} element
 * @param {boolean} [afterFirst]
 */
^ is that going to get me killed? :)
 
@Scratte yes, it probably will :)
 
I'm not sure I can live without the line..
/* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 * @param {HTMLElement} element
 * @param {boolean} [afterFirst]
 */
^ compromise? :D :D
 
10:48 AM
@Scratte don't tease :)
@Scratte Apart from joking around, what's the reason for those lines?
 
I'm killing myself :)
 
@Scratte fair enough :)
 
@OlegValter I just notice them very easily. A vertical line as opposed to just a comment block.
 
@Scratte you mean it doesn't work as a bookmarklet for ya?
 
@OlegValter I didn't try that. I suppose it would, I'd just have to press it every time. But I don't keep my bookmarks bar on, so I'd need to toggle it on first. So.. Ctrl+Shift+b, then hit it.. and click on the message. Then Ctrl+Shift+b to remove the bookmarks bar.
 
10:51 AM
it also needs a bit of a liftup - click method (and similar) are deprecated, we should use on("click")
 
I had a feeling it wouldn't pass the "Oleg scrutiny" :)
 
@Scratte the line or the deprecation :)
^ a secret to this scrutiny is using an IDE instead of a text editor, to be frank :)
^ although in this case I simply remembered what I was told by the IDE once (and confirmed by jQuery docs)
 
@OlegValter The code that removes messages :)
Strangely the mouse decorator slows to a halt when the devtools are open. Closing the devtools brings it back up to speed
 
@Scratte :) Btw, I suppose Stack Apps does not have a dedicated meta?
^ in a sense that I want to rewrite the bookmarklet in vanilla JS and post it as an answer - given the lack of good help guidance in the center - is this a good way to proceed?
^ what I fail to grasp is that is Stack Apps like MSE - write whatever response you have for the app/script/bookmarklet posted there, and it will count as an answer?
 
I suppose it doesn't have a dedicated meta. There's no link. But trying meta.stackapps.com gets me "Your connection is not private" and "NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID"
@OlegValter I think Stack Apps in the only site where you're allowed to post an Answer in the Question. Other than that, you can 1. Comment and hope that they will update or 2. Post an Answer. Since Stack Apps is CC-BY-SA, the code is already licensed, so I don't think there's any issue if your Answer is based on the code of another, as long as you go by the rules of attribution.
You're now 678.. if we don't count zeros :)
 
11:23 AM
@Scratte then it truly doesn't have one :) Remember we talked about a site with a missing cert that gets a default cert from cloudflare - this seems to be the case here as well
@Scratte I doubt that a script from 2013 will update in less than it is needed for my ADHD to kick in :) [just joking I have none... I hope]
@Scratte 678? ah
 
I am still a bit pissed off that the most rep I ever earned is one of the simplest answers I've given...
 
I am still p****d about some user voting on my content just because it's mine.. and robbing me of the unsung hero in the process :)
 
@Scratte ah, yeah, I tend to forget that the rep count is displayed under the userpic when a user forms a streak
@Scratte wait, so about the personal votes - you think the upvotes in your case are personal?
 
@OlegValter Coffee first.. show me the coffee! :)
 
11:30 AM
@Scratte speaking of distractions - your account on GitHub, monsieur
 
Ahh.. I'm not sure if I should pick Scratle or Stacret as a username.
Or something else :)
 
The end is nigh (not spoiling the fun): blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/05/19/…
 
It will be a sad day for Vista ;)
Here's Scratle :) I hope I can find the password
 
@OlegValter I don't think there were substantial changes
 
@OlegValter Yes, I thought it was funny that it seems to default to http though.
 
11:38 AM
it's been a while since the last election
likely going to have another in about a year's (don't quote me on this though)
 
Seems odd to not have one soon. I thought they came about once a year on Stack. With moderators taking hiatus, I would assume that more is better :)
@OlegValter Yes. I do. They were made as if one post was loaded then upvoted and then another was loaded and upvoted.. picked from the summary page on my profile. It has happened before, but I have no idea if there's any correlation.
 
@SamuelLiew just worried a bit - but the repo is actually checked out again :) Now I am smacking myself on the head for working on a master branch of the fork the first time...
@Scratte what do you mean by "default to HTTP" in this case? From what I see, the cert supplied is the general one, issued to the *.stackexchange.com set of domains (which, funny enough, could technically be valid if stack apps didn't have a domain of their own)
@Scratte I think the latter is also the reason why there are no elections here - they allowed for 2 with a screech the last time...
@Scratte ah, I think it happens to all of us once in a while (never to the point of the reversal, though - but I've seen it happen)
 
11:55 AM
> userscripters requires all members to have two-factor authentication enabled.
 
@OlegValter I see. Edge just goes to http when the certificate isn't valid.
 
@double-beep - I've invited you to the organization as promised (role - owner) and started building a default repo (left: linter, a couple of default scripts, and default action(s))
@double-beep ah, yeah, about that - I think a security-first approach would benefit us all in the long run
 
@OlegValter They always have 2 moderators for elections on Stack Overflow.
 
@Scratte I referred to the bafflement people experienced when they only allowed 2 after the exodus, sorry for confusing wording :)
 
@double-beep Ehh.. does that mean two passwords? Or does that mean.. I need to have a message sent to my phone?
 
11:59 AM
the latter
 
@double-beep @Scratte - so, to continue on the reply about 2FA
 
since I intend to give "the founders" full access (well, as much as the "owner" role goes), will you grant me a piece of mind in return? That would be very nice :)
 
I'm not giving GitHub my phone number.. or Microsoft.. or Google.. or Stack Overflow ;) If I have to give any of those a phone number, I'll need to get a separate phone.
But I'm fine with not being a "founder" :) I don't need full access.
 
@Scratte you can only require the organization to have 2FA in full or not require it :)
 
12:02 PM
I'm also not going to set up 2FA for the same reasons as Scratte
 
you don't need to give them your phone number
^ why not just use an authenticator? SMS authentication is proven as unreliable
 
@OlegValter How does 2 Factor Authentication work without having a message with a code sent to a phone?
An authenticator?
 
@Scratte it was considered the only way some time ago - but was proven to be vulnerable to interception, nowadays authenticator apps are used (I can give you a quick intro, but I am not an SME)
I wouldn't ask anyone to go for the SMS two-factor authentication
 
"You can configure two-factor authentication using a mobile app or via text message."
I don't even have the internet set to on on my phone :)
 
12:05 PM
@Scratte btw, it is not the app, it is an app - so you are free to choose anything
@Scratte sorry, but why? :)
 
I use my phone to communicate via phone calls. And text messages with my family and friends. I do not use it to browse the internet.. at all. I have a few times read my email from it, but I expect that doesn't work anymore since I changed my password. It's set to "Restrict background data" so even if the internet is being set to on, it's very limited in what I allow it to do.
When I want to use the internet, I use my computer. It's in one place only. It does not track my movements around the city :) No one knows via some app where I've been or who my friends are.
 
@Scratte oh, I forgot one thing - there is no need for internet (apart from the initial install of an app that is) for authentication via TOTP - I guess I just have my curiosity satisfied then :)
 
@OlegValter That's odd. I wonder how that works.
 
@Scratte basically it is kinda like syncing clocks between two people
 
But if my phone only talks to the tower.. how does my computer where I log into GitHub know that I have an app installed on my phone?
I have a few loose ends to tie up.. some reading to do too. Then I'll get on a study of authorization and authentication and two versus one factors and how does all this work :)
 
12:13 PM
folks, I hope you understand me as well - as much as, for example, privacy is important to @Scratte, security is important to me - it makes me really uneasy if the only thing behind us and problems is the password. If you are vehemently against it - I will have to think about how to proceed first, but I think it would be better if I at least tried to convince you of the de-facto standard way nowadays
@Scratte I can send you a couple of introductory articles because before hopping on board with 2FA I also wanted to understand how such a thing like TOTP (authenticator app) would work
 
Can guests clone the repository and make pull requests?
@OlegValter Sure. If you paste them in chat with a nice title to them, we can all read them when we have time. Chat search works quite well :)
I have avoided using Two Factor Authentication by using very long passwords :D
 
@Scratte yes, of course, everything's public is also clonable, don't worry - but I'd still like to see an organisation so as everyone contributing can receive proper praise and exposure (and, to be honest, I am contemplating a possibility of enrolling the organisation into the sponsorship program for opensource projects [GitHub feature] some time in the future if things go smoothly)
 
@OlegValter I think that future is probably not 2021 though :)
 
@Scratte that helps, but not a panacea :)
@Scratte that's probably much further than that :) As a theoretical possibility - now we are trying to settle things like logins, I think there is a long way to go :)
 
It's a bit funny that I just wanted to set up a page (since people were asking for it) just with links to the user scripts made here.. and you went all "Project upStart. We're gonna be huge" :)
 
12:18 PM
@Scratte sure, I think I have one saved in bookmarks on Medium (thankfully, not paywalled) that gives a very good intro on how it all works
 
@OlegValter But neither is the two factor thing.. it's just a matter of having access to the phone.
Which you can have in about 30 seconds if someone visits the wrong site, no?
 
@Scratte and the funniest thing is that I am not an ambitious person at all :) I just like to set my eyes on something big first - this way after the reality hits, we end up with at least something of decent in size :)
 
The only thing that makes any account "secure" is the fact that there are so many of them. And some people use "Password123" as their actual password.
@OlegValter It's fine. I like that you are very passionate about this :) It makes me feel like I'm being an annoying obstacle when I have reservations about a decision you're making :)
But.. if anyone makes a pull-request, do they not get put as the author of the request and also the change? Just not the merge.
 
@Scratte I do understand the concern, I really do - well, at least I hope that after learning how it works and being able to choose any app for that (not tied to an organization) most of the issues should be alleviated (and I wouldn't add it if the only way to 2FA was to set up a phone number)
 
@OlegValter Those startup administrative things where people need to agree are usually more time consuming and slow than when all that is settled.
@OlegValter I'd be fine with 2 Factor Authentication if it was setup to an email account.
My reservations is that I have to use a phone to do it.
 
12:27 PM
@Scratte I think I am passionate about most things I do :) But to balance things out, I burn out rather quickly. That's also one of the reasons why I'd like to have all the "founding fathers(?)" to have access as well - in case I go awol for a while, and I am the only one with merge access
@Scratte that's true, still, you can't edit the project to track what's being done (unless you move to Trello - which I consider an alternative, because GH Projects still feels a bit limited compared to it)
 
I think I'm not going to set up 2FA: too much time, but little gain
 
@OlegValter I'm not very worried about that. Even if you do, I'm sure one of us can figure out how to get access (by asking you).. and then we're running again.
 
GH will block connections from other devices anyways
 
Huh? Even without 2 Factor Authentication, you can set it up to block connections from a different device than the one you're using?
 
@double-beep you want to setup an IP-based whitelist? Or do you refer to your account only?
 
12:30 PM
(How does that work if you accidentally drop your device into the bathtub?)
IP-based is not the same as device-based.. you're confusing me now :)
 
I think GH does that automatically
but I'm not sure where/if you can set it up
 
Google does that in the strangest way though. It will send an email to the email that I just logged into and ask me if that was an OK login to the account.. :O Even if it's not, anyone that just logged in can just say "Yup.. that's me" :)
 
@Scratte sorry, I referred to GitHub organizations feature of IP whitelisting - technically, if one uses the same network (no TOR, no VPNs), or vice versa (only devices sharing the same network), it makes sense to setup a restriction in the org (but I highly doubt that's our use case)
@Scratte yeah, but that's why they ask you for a recovery email as well, but the funniest thing is that, well, this recovery email, if on Gmail, can have its own, and further to infinity :)
 
Is it possible to export all the settings of the GitHub Organization? And create a new and import it.. and boom! everything is setup just right?
 
ok, in the meantime I've disabled 2FA requirement and ready to add everyone with the member role for now (cc @double-beep @Scratte). Should you at any point decide to go 2FA, just ping me :) Let's do that to unblock, and I will figure out how to proceed further in the upcoming weeks
 
12:36 PM
The other trick is just to have a very boring login: I.am.the.most.boring.person.in.the.world@gmail.com
@OlegValter You're way ahead of me though. I'm still fiddling with a simple user script and doesn't even pass the "Oleg scrutiny"â„¢ :D
 
@Scratte that... would be wholly insecure :)
 
@OlegValter Not if the email is different than the login
I mean how is that less secure than having it on one's phone?
If you have it in your hand, you can just look at the grease on it to figure out how to open it. If you don't.. you can send an email with a nice link to cute kittens and hope the user click on it.. and get root access to their phone.
 
@Scratte depends on how one treats their device, of course :) TOTP basically turns your device into a version of a security token.
 
What is TOTP? :)
 
@Scratte that, of course, doesn't mean absolute security - and you are right about that. It is just assumed that if someone malicious has access to both your passwords and your phone, you have way bigger problems than somebody logging into your GH account
 
12:42 PM
Well, if someone has access to my key-store.. I'm in trouble :) But if someone gets access to my phone.. that's just meh for me at present :)
 
@Scratte sorry, I know you hate abbreviations, but it is a very common term - there is simply no easy way of saying that. TOTP stands for Time-based One-Time Password
@Scratte I think that's not how getting root access to a phone works :)
 
Ahh.. those. My credit card company sends me those in a message when I purchase stuff on the internet via my credit card. And both my credit card and my phone is at the same place as me.. so if I get robbed, the robber will have what they need :D I find it utterly ridiculous :)
 
^ unless you already enabled it in the first place (and even that I am not sure about, but I am not an SME on cybersec). I love how one of the first things people that are not tech-savvy at all to understand the implications tend to do is to follow instructions on the net on how to enable root access
 
@OlegValter Check out "Row hammer".. it's exactly how that works :)
It's all about elevated privileges.. once that's done, you pwn the phone..
 
that's still better than nothing, though. As a chance (in a statistical sense, not as a personal experience - I remember your exchange with Kevin earlier) of getting robbed is much lower (in a first/second-world country), plus you either must have the phone on you, plus easily unlockable or be held at gunpoint (at which point the chances drop further).
And then you have to be slow enough (or dead, at which point security is your least of concerns) to let the robber do whatever before they are able to log in
@Scratte but sending SMS messages proved to be a quite unreliable way - I wonder why financial organisations still use them - they are easily interceptible
 
12:54 PM
@OlegValter Before this, one just put in the credit card number.. how one need to put in the credit card number. Then a self-picked word and a code from the phone.
So.. having the credit card is not enough. But having robbed someone, will usually be enough, since people tend to forget their passwords and put them as a note in their wallet :) And they have their phone with them.. so.. :)
 
@Scratte I meant, you still have to gain access first, right..? I've been trying to understand how the attacker would get it in the first place, but given the exploit is mostly theoretical, there is quite a shortage of info on that
 
@OlegValter Yes, but here's my take on it: If someone really wants to take over my account. How far do I want them to go to succeed? Do I settle with them figuring out my password? Or send me emails and try to trick me? Or do I want them to come and get me? Because if someone is really adamant about it, they'll just do what it takes.
 
@Scratte well, that's basically how security works, right? One can only increase the effort needed on the side of the attacker to make the action so impractical as to the attack becoming too time/resource consuming to realistically consider
 
I figured a 50 character password would be fine for me :)
 
@Scratte on that one I am in no disagreement with you - there is no such thing as "enough" security - if you are being targeted, all bets are off. Depending on your "worth", an attacker can either stop at the first sign of 2FA or go as far as to simply extract the information needed from you (i.e. by kidnapping or through social engineering)
 
1:01 PM
I'm just a user that makes user scripts for Stack Overflow. I don't even think anyone will bother to even try to hack my GitHub account. But if they do.. they have to start by guessing the email address.. and then the password, and that's enough two-factor for me :D
I am assuming that GitHub doesn't publish the email addresses of their users.
 
I wish GitHub had a more diverse role-based model of access delegation like Google cloud platform does, though. Right now, I can only make one a member or an owner, however, it would put my mind at ease if I could give out roles on a need-to-do basis. The current model is kinda like a choice between a peasant and a lord - annoying.
At least I can give you all write access on a per-repo basis
@Scratte be sure to keep that setting checked :) But as far as I recall, by default your email address is private
^ you may want to enable the "prevent commits exposing my email" setting in your profile settings, though
 
settings are at this page
 
Or.. pick "noway@example.com" ?
 
you should make sure to use the @users.noreply.github.com email while setting up git
 
"Block command line pushes that expose my email" I guess that one should be checked.
 
1:09 PM
@Scratte yup
 
@OlegValter thanks
 
"Keep my email addresses private" is checked by default.. and it says it will use a "...@users.noreply.github.com when performing web-based Git operations"
 
"web-based" === when you edit a file through GH UI
"Block command line pushes that expose my email" when using git locally
 
@double-beep - I've added you to both template and the "central" (currently empty) repos as well. If you think I am too slow with setting up something (or generally want to update) - feel free to go through with it, just please let me know if you are on it so as I won't accidentally start doing the same thing in parallel
 
I think we need a README of things that will need to be changed once the template is used
 
1:14 PM
Ok, so my understanding is that if I set up my local repository with my email, it will just strip it when I push
 
So, I assume all are ok with the same username as the technical one or are bets still in consideration? I am sorry I can't remember the decision on that... And also the contest for the best userpic of the org is now open :)
 
@OlegValter You mean userscripters? :) That's a good name :)
You can UserScripters it if you want to :)
 
@double-beep yup, agreed. I think that we haven't decided on its structure yet, am I right? Something like setup instructions, title, and description, supported browsers, should be a must. All of this can easily be generated from the package.json file. I think that could also be a default npm script
 
hmm.. yeah we need a picture for the org, but I have no idea
 
@Scratte Hmm.. NO :) It seems that the local repository needs to be setup with the obscured email address :)
"To ensure that commits are attributed to you and appear in your contributions graph, use an email address that is connected to your GitHub account, or the noreply email address provided to you in your email settings."
 
1:19 PM
yes :) use the noreply one
under "Keep my email addresses private", there's a nnnnnnn+username@users.noreply.github.com email - use that for setting it up
 
Thanks :) I will. I think maybe I should have something to contribute too. I should work on that :)
I think somewhere they went off on the wrong direction with having the username identify users. And they then try to correct it how with an id-prefix.
At least Stack did that right. Also.. having the option to have the same username for multiple users is a win for everyone.
I can understand why email providers don't do that ;)
I wonder how the two factor authentication woks with SSH keys and commits.
I mean does one even ever need to log into github? For contributing to a repository?
 
@Scratte that probably stems from a long and a bit convoluted history of email :)
@Scratte if you checkout a repo with an SSH link, you will have to provide a self-signed cert for GH to accept your push (I have a mini shell script for generating it, and there is a simple command for "logging in" [running an ssh agent])
@Scratte to GitHub - not that much, only if you chose to clone a repo with HTTPs (and I wouldn't call that a login). Mostly, 'tis for the usage of the web application (I am not sure I can call github.com a website, really)
obviously, it would be very bad if GH allowed unauthenticated pushes :)
 
I thought I'd create an SSH key.. and then I setup my local Git to use the key. So when I push, GitHub knows it's me.
"Stack Overflow userscript enthusiasts" is nice :)
Did you create a project "chat-message-removed" with nothing in it? Or am I just not clicking the right buttons?
 
1:38 PM
@Scratte that's the same thing I do - I think that's the most convenient thing to do
@Scratte thanks :)
@Scratte yes, 'tis empty for now - I need to fill it in local first - I created it first and made the template repo afterwards
@Scratte so, to whom should I send the invite?
 
LOL! "Utility script for improving suggested edits reviewer quality of life"
That's in the same line as my "Make reviewing nice again!"
 
@Scratte Is it that bad? :)
@Scratte I guess description ideas are finite :) No really, I just typed in the first thing that came to my mind
 
I like it :)
@OlegValter You mean my account on GitHub?
 
@Scratte yup, it seemed like you've set it up
 
I'm not sure if you can call it "setting it up". I just created an account and clicked on one checkbox :)
But.. it unchanged from here :) Since Scratte was taken, I had to be inventive.. removing a small horizontal line seemed to be the least invasive thing I could do. Also.. people misspell my username to that all the time :)
 
1:45 PM
@Scratte all right, thanks for confirming - I will send an invite shortly
 
No rush :) If you make it by Christmas, I'm all good :)
 
@Scratte done - happy Xmas!
 
Wow! Christmas came early this year :)
 
@Scratte yo-ho-ho! But I am far from being sure that more voluntary free work is a good present :)
 
Do those invites come into my email or as a notification?
 
1:48 PM
@Scratte I think it is either both, one of them or none depending on your notification settings :)
 
@OlegValter Good point. All this userscripting is basically procrastinating what I should be doing. At some point real life will catch up :(
 
if you only changed one setting, you should get an email from GitHub that you are invited
 
"Only receive account related emails, and those I subscribe to.".. but there's no turning that off :D
 
@Scratte yup, I already feel its breath on my spine :)
@Scratte well, sorry, I can't tell you for sure if you can turn off notifications about being invited to an org - never contemplated it, I usually have all of them turned on just in case
^ and then filter "on arrival"
 
No worries. I'm just wondering if I should do something, as in accepting the invite.
 
1:52 PM
@Scratte - but I think you are looking at the wrong setting group: github.com/settings/notifications
@Scratte up to you :) But you will have to confirm/reject or it will stay pending
 
@OlegValter That's where I'm at.
 
@Scratte sorry - I just relied on your message quoting the "Only receive account related emails, and those I subscribe to." setting, which is in the "emails" category
 
I find it somewhat odd that I have to interact with an email to accept an invitation when I'm logged into GitHub.. :O
@OlegValter Yes. I see :) Sorry about the confusion.
 
I think you should've gotten an in-app inbox notification (maybe there is a delay)
^ but I am not sure
 
Nothing yet. I can wait.. :)
Let me know if you want me to remove the "(under construction)" in the room description.
I figured I'd put that in to not put any pressure on you.
 
2:00 PM
@Scratte nah, keep it, it's still under construction - far from being ready
@Scratte I think that puts more pressure than it relieves :)
missing: GH actions, default linter config, some useful scripts, README template, automation for generating the template from the package info, etc, etc
 
I only put it there to it's easy to find :)
No one is going to get upset if it's not working properly or if everything is missing.
 
@Scratte yup, no worries, I think it is a good idea to do so
 
And everyone that joins this chat knows the deal with it. It's not like we're getting overrun by users asking about scripts :)
 
but keep the under construction for now, please - that describes the current state pretty well :)
@Scratte I hope not :)
@Scratte but for this case, an issue template will be set up in time
^ I don't like the Meta style of proposals being "freeform"
^ that just leads to shitty, unthought-through proposals
^ Something like: "idea" + "use case" + "required support depth"
^ and no warranty and ETAs on our part :)
 
2:36 PM
@OlegValter Huh?
Sorry.. real life happens sometimes.
 
2:54 PM
@Scratte well, I mean that when someone makes a "feature request" on Meta (be it MSE or MSO), the process is no better than in the ancient Greek agora :) No structure, no limits. As a result, even good proposals are bludgeoned to death before the OP even has a chance to expand (and I can't blame any side, really)
@Scratte hm, not sure I understand? If you refer to disappearing for a while - feel free to do so at your heart's content, I have my stuff to tend to as well in the meantime :)
 
@OlegValter Ahh.. yes, and the totally off-topic "How do I get started with CSS changes" got reopened :D
@OlegValter No. While you were writing to me, I had to attend to something, so I was away for 30 minutes. It happens often, but usually not while someone is writing to me :)
Strangely.. I still did not get a notification on GitHub. Perhaps double-beep can say share if it's the same?
 
I didn't get one either, but I got an email
 
That is.. really bad UI..
 
and in the main org page there was a link to accept/decline the invitation
 
@double-beep Thanks. I refreshed that. It's there now :)
I'll leave it pending to see if they will send me a notification..
 
3:03 PM
@double-beep well, that's ... an odd choice on behalf of GH
@Scratte did you mean UX? :)
@Scratte of course it would :)
@Scratte nah, don't care about that - I can do the same and disappear in the middle of a conversation for no apparent reason :)
 
@OlegValter Yes :) That the I is sitting 6 keys away from the X doesn't mean anything ;)
 
@Scratte only 6 keys?
 
@OlegValter Diagonal is fair on keybords, since it's the same finger: I-J-N-B-V-C-X :)
(Yes yes.. I and J isn't really the same finger.. But J and N are ;-)
This is just so much fun. I'll never be able to take meta seriously again ;D
@OlegValter OK. Good.. I don't mind when other people do it. I just sometimes feel guilty when I do it.
 
3:24 PM
@Scratte are you sure that's a valid measurement? :) But I may be missing something, I don't know if that's the case
@Scratte that's nice :)
@Scratte well, I just think that's natural of text communication - you don't expect the other party to type at the keyboard right away. I wish it was applied to phone calls / video calls as well
 
Maybe we need to have a meeting where we decide the criteria for keys sitting next to each other. Like 1. Are keys surrounded by a key, next to the key? 2. Does only using the same finger make it next to? 3. Must it be on the row? (This excludes most keys for item 2, where it seems only n and b fit. Oh.. and u/y and r/t :-)
@OlegValter It is, depending on situation. If you have a video conference from a spaceship orbiting Saturn, you can't expect immediate replies ;)
 
3:40 PM
Hello @OlegValter, you are from Russia? If so that's great! I've been thinking it would be really cool meeting a Russian person in chat, I've actually been looking forward to it.
 
Honestly, i don't understand how deleted, hidden topics should get attention for undelete votings? <-- lower case i and upper case You, is back ;) (Actually the lower case i is new ;-)
 
@bad_coder yup, I am - a pleasure to make your acquaintance. Do we (Russian persons) have a special property that you wanted to observe?
@Scratte wait a sec, isn't it the same person who requested to select mods based on location earlier this week?
@Scratte shoot, you beat me
 
Out of curiosity, how is meeting a person from Russia any different from meeting a person from China or Portugal?
 
@OlegValter well, you the Russian/Ucranians (all Eastern Europeans in fact) have a number of qualities in common I really appreciate. But I have to confess I haven't had much chance to interact with Russians on StackOverlow besides reading their writing, which on average is very sober - more than the majority of posters for that matter.
 
@OlegValter Yes.. I figured since You liked that one, You'd like this one too :)
 
3:49 PM
@bad_coder ah, I see, we a very certain political system to "thank" for that attitude :)
 
So, frequently I've found myself thinking when I read tons of utter nonsense: "If there were a couple of russians posting on this thread it would exponentially increase in quality".
 
I can assure you that otherwise we are no different from other people (well, those who have at least a semblance of intelligence that is) :)
@bad_coder and where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?
 
@OlegValter well I don't know why it is (or perhaps it's not my place to make such a judgement)...But I also enjoy lots of videos made by Russians, articles, culture, history, etc...I always keep an eye out if something is Russian.
 
@Scratte that hurts my eyes :)
 
@OlegValter OK, I've never answered this. But my cultural influences are south western European.
 
3:55 PM
I suspect bad_coder isn't really from Earth, and this is why they insist on not saying anything that's specific and factual about where they are from. I suspect they are either on holiday or on an assignment to asses the planet for its cultures ;)
 
@bad_coder sure, thank you, we can leave it at that - I am not particularly inquisitive :) [I think @Scratte is going to say that I am lying right now]
@bad_coder huh, we can also cause a lot of unnecessary rumbling (unless that remark was postfixed with /s)
 
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