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1:25 AM
@Zoe any plans on resurrecting the room in the long run?
 
 
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Zoe
9:33 AM
@OlegValter That is the plan, this isn't intended as a temporary revival. The only limitation is my one capacity, but I plan to keep the room alive as long as I can
 
 
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Zoe
3:40 PM
... though I'm now about 50% certain I misunderstood your question ^^"
 
 
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5:37 PM
@Zoe does that not mean you are uncertain this is what I meant? :)
@Zoe that's good, I was just wondering if you intend to keep this room as a way of tracking bad reviews yourself or is it a hunting ground for everyone too again. Samuel used to post review suspension stats here from time to time - do you intend to resume the practice?
and if it is going to be revived, may I suggest formally adopting a report structure? Something like <incorrect outcome> <correct outcome> <review link>. This would be useful from both the educational and statistical perspective (keeping track of reports, etc)
 
Zoe
6:14 PM
@OlegValter yeah
@OlegValter I don't see much of a point in keeping it private, so a public hunting ground is more the intent (assuming you're referring to other mods; that said, I can't guarantee other mods will monitor the room as well). As for stats, I hadn't thought about that; I'll have to figure out how Sam did it, but it does sound good to me.
@OlegValter That's a good idea, yeah
Might make sense to organize all this somewhere, probably a GitHub repo
 
Zoe
6:34 PM
Forked the spreadsheet, gonna add some baseline data and link it here
 
@Zoe sorry for the confusion then ^_^
 
Zoe
Not your fault, I overthink on a regular basis ^^"
Did Sam update the spreadsheet manually?
Has to be, right?
Oh, I'm blind, it's right there :p
Sam's userscript lists it
 
@Zoe nah, I am referring to other users' reports like it used to be - I am actually in favor of the room resuming its activity - maybe less as a way to punish bad reviews but more as a tool for identifying problematic reviews, but still
@Zoe nice, thanks
 
Zoe
@OlegValter Oh, yeah, that was always the intent
I need help sourcing data
 
@Zoe anything in particular?
 
Zoe
6:47 PM
Like I said in the pinned messages, I'm not planning any targeted campaigns for now. Can't really find any ways to make it work
There's... a lot of general trash
Assuming I've shared properly, docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
yeah, I'm gonna make a GitHub repo to track all this
I got some other stuff I need to do for a couple hours though
Just noticed how heavily skewed the 365 day bans are
Right, anyway
 
7:04 PM
@Zoe yes, you did share it properly, can confirm, thank you
@Zoe yeah, quite a lot
@Zoe does not seem like anyone is in a rush? :)
@Zoe hmm, can you elaborate?
 
Zoe
8:05 PM
@OlegValter I gave out several 365 day bans for some particularly bad audit fails
 
@Zoe ah, that :) and I nearly started looking for heavy spikes. Sigh, as usual, I wish folks at least looked at what they are reviewing...
 
Zoe
8:30 PM
Yeah...
 
 
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Zoe
10:12 PM
I'm gonna try to aim for daily stats for about a week (just to get high resolution while we're getting back on track), after which it'll be weekly. Could do it daily consistently if it was automated, but I have no idea where to even start with that, especially when google spreadsheets are involved
 
@Zoe as it happens, I am actually an SME on Apps Script, so if you need some help with automation in that regard, happy to help. Something like a trigger (basically cron) scheduled for once a week aggregating values -> sending a message to chat should do just fine.
 
Zoe
Sending to chat is actually trivial
This for an instance:
Mar 12 '20 at 0:56, by Samuel Liew
Good UTC morning, here's todays stats

Currently, there are 1607 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 1466 (91.2%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1212 (75.4%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 118 (7.3%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 325 (20.2%) users are banned for the first time
- 407 (25.3%) users have at least five review bans
- 91 (5.7%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
Is just copy-pasta from the review ban overview
And I happen to have a plugin that lets me copy markdown
... I'm actually not sure if there's a chicken and egg situation here; i.e. did Sam make a userscript with the breakdown, or was the spreadsheet modelled after the stats?
I mean, I could check, but arsed :p
It's the adding to a spreadsheet that's tricky
unless there's like, a macro or whatever in there
I don't really do spreadsheets enough to know how people automate it
... oh, didn't notice Apps Script was a part of Google Spreadsheets ^^"
Y'know what, I'm not gonna mess with automation right now
Gotta have something worth automating first :p
 
10:31 PM
@Zoe more like the other way around but yeah, closely related :)
 
Zoe
Close enough, never heard about it until today anyway
 
@Zoe depends on what is the source of raw data
it's actually server-side JS using V8 engine, so *most of what you would expect is possible
 
Zoe
This is the source:
Currently, there are 151 banned reviewers, out of which:

- \- 11 (7.3%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- \- 4 (2.6%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- \- 13 (8.6%) users are banned for the first time
- \- 107 (70.9%) users have at least five review bans
- \- 69 (45.7%) users have at least ten review bans
- \- 93 (61.6%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 33 users are perma-banned
- \- 12 (7.9%) users are banned within the past day
Yikes, that's the first time I've seen the plugin struggle with a copy
 
@Zoe seems like there's a lot first times today :)
 
Zoe
Not sure why the copy is bad, the HTML is well-formed
The "banned for the first time" count isn't exclusively made today
Review audits though... they're OP
There's 14 people serving a 512 day suspension, and 4 serving 1024 day ones
Review audit doubling isn't restricted by the year, so they've effectively perma-banned themselves
wait, no
There, corrected
 
10:37 PM
yikes, ~3 years on audits?
 
Zoe
 
for Christ's sake
 
Zoe
@OlegValter Yeah
The worst part is that the top one there is for suggested edits
and looking at their review history, it doesn't appear to be intentional
They have reviews that show thought until they hit an audit, and then... suspended for 1024 days
But on the other hand, that user in particular has 10 suspensions, and 2^10 = 1024, which means consistent bans, but I don't really know
 
that looks plausible given that auto-suspensions double each time if memory serves me right
 
Zoe
Yeah, they do
 
10:42 PM
still, ouch
 
Zoe
Starting at 2 days
But I don't know, and I probably can't share details to try to answer the many questions I have, but yeah
Suppose it doesn't matter anyway
 
well, pretty sure it's the doubling of the duration
 
Zoe
I meant about the users ^^" Not sure what I can and can't share here
 
probably not much. Although there is always a "I had a patient that..." cop-out :)
 
Zoe
being generic is probably an option, but that doesn't include the details that actually matter
 
10:49 PM
@Zoe I do not think the daily data entry was ever automated, but can ask. In any case, 'tis pretty easy to teach the userscript to send the data to the spreadsheet directly
 
Zoe
11:31 PM
Room info and resources: github.com/LunarWatcher/BadSOReviewsRoom
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(Let's just disregard the current lack of resources, it'll make sense later :p)
I think including a "I've been suspended"-FAQ, a few reminders of how to review, etc. is gonna be useful
 
@Zoe help, all fields in the report are optional :) joking aside, thanks for adopting it!
 
Zoe
only the first two are, but I'm not gonna lie, I'm not following the terminal standard here
I just need a way to group words together
 
~6 glad that tag wiki plagiarism is on the list too - so annoying, nearly every 3-4th one is a copy/paste
 
Zoe
Yeah, I've cracked down hard on the ones I've been called to
It's frustrating though, but it's also why rene's comment on that one meta post is correct
You have to assume every tag wiki is plagiarized, and prove it isn't, rather than assume it isn't and prove that it is
I've also made template to send to the plagiarists, in part to make it substantially more visible when handling recurring suggesters
 
@Zoe to be fair, it is usually blatantly obvious if one is plagiarized :)
 
Zoe
11:46 PM
Not always, though
can't really rely on marketing speak to indicate it
Some people just naturally write that "Something is a #1 innovative buzzword meant to cut costs and improve everything" when writing a wiki
 

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