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6:09 PM
@JonClements Kenrith The Returned King, everyone's favorite absentee dad and/or cursed elk, has been making some waves in the pro circuit, I hear. Could this be the time for five color goodstuff to shine?
 
@Kevin he's a bit of a mixed bag, but fabled passes/similar unless you want to drive a 5 colour deck
 
Mind you, you don't necessarily have to use all five of Kenrith's abilities for him to be good. I can imagine getting plenty of usage out of just white/blue/black
 
Do I hear mtg chat here? oO What format?
 
but then since there's a lot of mixed coloured lands these days... and land producing cards/effects, you can have a 5 colour mana deck without actually having basic lands
 
@paul23 I was assuming standard, as I'm not sure what other formats Arena supports.
 
6:12 PM
@paul23 oh - I've just been playing a fair bit of MTG Arena (or was when I could spare a bit) -
 
Oh that's the online game?
 
supports standard, legacy and brawl I think?
a standard tactic seems to be thassos and then bouncing it back with terferi to keep getting some effects and stuff... it's gone a little mad these days
fires of invention has fallen out of fashion a little bit
umm... should probably move this to another room
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questing beast seems to do quite well these days
 
I'll just say I play only modern and commander so nvm my input ;P
 
I keep seeing Thassa's Oracle in a lot of decklists. I'm personally a little bored of decks that win by cycling through their entire library, as they get pretty samey after only a few games
 
I just try and do decks that don't involve blue at all
I've probably had more success with W/G than any other deck
 
6:18 PM
But if you wish to be spoiled: mtgdecks.net/Standard keeps track of decks used in pro player tours along with the results made.
 
Normally I'd give a speech here about how each color is capable of many things, so you shouldn't e.g. overlook blue just because you don't like counterspells, because maybe you'd like card draw and extra turns etc. But I don't know how much that applies to standard. For all I know, with a shallower card pool, maybe there aren't that many variations you can play with
 
I think blue has become a complement to a deck now rather than being by itself a really annoying mono-deck
 
Half of my EDH decks are blue and I think I have like two counterspells among them all. They prevent me from reaching my true goal: tapping out every single turn for cool and impractical stunts
 
plus - a few more cards recently have "this can't be countered"
 
Every two islands I leave open at the end of my turn is two fewer +1/+1 counters I could have put on Altered Ego
 
6:27 PM
gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/… is quite a played card these days
 
mtgdecks.net/Standard says that 43% of decks are categorized under "Otros", and I thought, "Is that one of the legendary Titans? I don't remember that one, must be pretty good to make up so much of the meta". Nope: "otros" is Spanish for "other".
 
saw a lot of gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/… being played as well
even though the main mana source was red and green
 
Wilderness Reclamation plus expansion//explosion is like chocolate and peanut butter
 
throw in a few mixed land cards that are either red/blue and green/blue - or you can do something with an artifact to generate it, along with the act "expansion" is wonderfully fine by itself, but if you can find a blue, tap your mana, not do something, untap, retap and go... that's a win sit.
 
Reclamation trigger on the stack, tap twelve lands, resolve trigger, tap the same twelve lands again, dome your opponent for 20
 
6:35 PM
Don't think it's allowed now, but there was a white mana card so you could "enchant" a creature to be indestructible?
So if you could get "Vigor" on the field - you'd enchant that
wasn't there an older card as well called "Moat" or something?
 
Indestructibility, Shield of the Oversoul, and Shielded by Faith can give a creature indestructible. None of them are in standard.
Then again, neither is Vigor, so I guess anything goes
 
for good reason
Yeah... shame, I liked Vigor, he was in one of the default decks you could get in MTG 2014
 
None of them were considered particularly powerful when they were in standard. For better or worse, there are a lot of ways to remove an indestructible creature from the battlefield.
 
before they did the terrible MTG 2015, tried an online version purely based on the card based model, then something else, until MTG Arena - which actually isn't terrible at all.
@Kevin oh yeah... there were always disenchant spells and such
but not many board wipes except "all to dust" or that black one I forget the name of
 
Mutilate? Black Sun's Zenith?
 
6:44 PM
Ahh - that's true
just not likely to happen with a 6/6
 
The biggest middle finger to indestructibility was the printing of Tragic Slip
 
but yes, very good point... I always forget that aspect sighs
I'm probably wrong, as I'm not experienced as you are, but they've balanced out the colours a lot more now
I made a quick deck this morning before work and doing online stuff... might reboot the computer and give it a quick go... shrugs
 
These days I'm seeing "They made <flavor-of-the-week blue card> way too strong" less frequently than I used to, so maybe they're asymptotically heading towards a fair distribution
"We've learned from our mistakes", says R&D, "and incidentally, check out our new card Urza, which is an homage to one of the strongest blue cards ever made"
 
a planeswalker card and others have been banned
 
Oko, right? At least he was only half blue. That's progress.
 
6:53 PM
there's still "an Oko"
just not so quite beneficial to having food tokens you can cycle a cat and cauldron with
seems I normally have at least 2 - sometimes 3 - gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/…
I think she's becoming considered overpowered
 
PWs that have a plus-loyalty ability that makes it harder to damage them, are usually on the strong side
Making a 3/3 at five mana is a skosh above the curve I'd say
 
Plus doubles mana on greens...
 
Having fourteen mana on turn six is nothing to sneeze at, certainly
 
plus so many variations of the main planes walkers these days
quite a few of gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+[ajani] are available in standard
Play a heavy white life building white deck and gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/… wow
if you can pacify/otherwise put a bit of red in black with it
 
I like to see planeswalker variations when it reflects their character arc - like "ooh, Garruk's part black now, I bet something cool happened in the story"
"Jace is a pirate apparently, that's... something"
 
7:08 PM
So I've got 3 of those above and got one of gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/…
never quite found that one useful though
 
I could see Ajani Strength of the Pride in a Soul Sisters shell. Actual Ajani's Pridemate is tried and tested, so Ajani S.O.T.P. is just four more copies of a good thing, plus upside
 
have four possible copies of gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/…
not all in the same deck - just cards I've "opened" online as it were
(or ranked enough to open foils for)
 
Big textboxes usually means good card
 
also got an old "elderspell" in the sideboard
just getting more into it these days... if you'd have said early last year about a "rakdos" deck or a "dimir control" deck... I reckon I'd only have got that dimir was kinda vampiric/blue & black, but apart from that...
 
7:24 PM
That card doesn't look all that good to me, tbh. It only produces one color of mana, and only does it once? Dollar bin rare to be sure
 
XD
 
Seems like a flavor fail, too. There's nothing black about this card. How about "rainbow lotus"? I think that'll sell better.
 
so, seriously though, I can't really be the only person playing this thing online for a bit for leisure now and again
 
I really should sign up one of these days.
 
much as I'd rather be at a real table and chatting in person while having a beer/whatever while we can and play etc...
 
7:37 PM
I trailed off on in-person tournaments because my monkey hindbrain found it stressful to engage in that sort of interpersonal ranking jockeying -- maybe putting a hundred thousand miles between me and my opponent would help with that
Lose a game -- "oh no, everyone will think I'm lame"; win a game -- "oh no, everyone will resent me"
 
sounds like imposter syndrome
 
If they ever invent a co-op format that isn't completely silly, I'll be all over that
 
yeah... is if they did MTG Arena so it could support what Magic 2014 did.... in regards to two-headed or ffa, that'd be so awesome as well
(from what I've seen on forums, it's not a priority, but it's something they're looking to)
 
7:54 PM
@Kevin 2hg?
 
I'm imagining something like Archnemesis, except the archnemesis is computer-controlled
 
There's archenemy sets from way back, played that a bit with friends
 
in the MTG 2014 thing on steam, you use to be able to setup whatever game you wanted
 
Did I say archnemesis? I meant archenemy.
 
so you could play 1v3 computers, or 2v2 players, or 2players w/ 1 computer
(you never wanted the later though)
the thing about 2hg though is that sometimes you see 'em choose to play a card because it's in the best interest of their deck, but another card would have been in best interest for the next turn for yours and theirs and... blah blah blah
 
8:01 PM
@JonClements communication :P
 
well it depends sometimes
there's some formats where each partner can't do that and look at each others' cards
 
Yeah but that's always the case "I can remove that creature now, or maybe there's a better creature next turn".
Similar problem
 
8:48 PM
yup
and also depends on the opps deck
just a "Shock" can take out most aggro
 

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