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1:33 AM
@gparyani it's just the standard "via Vote" comment.
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Thanks!
@Makyen Okay, I think I figured it out. Zoe's message, the above deletion annotation stating it's not due to account removal, and one other piece of info led me to the conclusion. I won't say it here.
 
 
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5:16 AM
@Makyen I'm wondering about the general case, though, when this happens: a user posts an answer that violates the AI-generated posts policy. The question author notices the answer, tries it out for themselves, and finds that it works. The answer is then deleted per the policy. The user then insists that the answer shouldn't be deleted because it did, actually, work for them. What happens in that case?
Also, secondly, is there a reason why the policy is still a temporary policy at this point, and hasn't been enacted as permanent policy yet? To me, being temporary implies that such answers will be unbanned at some point, but that's not the case.
 
@gparyani RE the latter, note that uncited genAI usage is a Code of Conduct violation (per SE staff), which isn't labeled temporary to my knowledge.
 
@gparyani That MSO post is still "temporary", because the moderators haven't edited it. We've kicked around if we want to just edit it or to post a new question with a "permanent" policy. We've had a couple of mods take a stab at writing something up, but that process was derailed by the mod strike. It is something that's on our radar as needing to be resolved.
 
Purely because I'm curious, what would the benefit of making a new post be over replacing "Temporary policy" with "Policy" or "Permanent Policy", especially considering that one is already linked in a number of places?
 
@cocomac The word "temporary" misleadingly implies that there is an intention to retract the policy in the next 6-8 weeks.
 
@gparyani There are no exceptions to the policy for "it happens to work". Did you see any exceptions mentioned in the policy? The answer would remain deleted. The question author, or anyone else, is welcome to create their own answer, but can't just copy the existing one, and, of course, can't use AI generation to create their answer.
I should also note that the fact that a question author likes it is not a good gauge for the actual quality of the answer. I've definitely seen AI generated answers that have been accepted, voted up, and the bounty awarded, to later have the question author leave a comment saying "this doesn't work".
 
5:25 AM
@Makyen I guess the solution, then, is for the author to post a self-answer they write themselves explaining what they did and that they got the solution from a now-deleted AI answer.
 
@gparyani Well, yes, I agree there. I'm more curious on why a new post would/could be beneficial.
 
@cocomac Um, where did I say new post? I just said "enacted as permanent policy", which doesn't necessarily require making a new post, just deleting the word "temporary" from the existing one.
 
@gparyani You didn't... Makyen said "if we want to just edit it or to post a new question with a 'permanent' policy" (emphasis added), though, which is what I was trying to refer to. I realize now by not making it a reply, I was somewhat unclear
 
@Makyen I do agree with that interpretation - better to prevent a poisoned tree from being planted rather than allowing it hoping that it produces fruit.
@cocomac Oh, sorry - I misunderstood whose message you were replying to.
 
@gparyani No need to apologize, that's fully on me for not actually replying to @Makyen there.
 
5:33 AM
@gparyani While that's one reading, that's not the reason that it says "temporary". It says "temporary" because when I wrote that announcement (with participation from other moderators), it was just the limited number of moderators present over the weekend and Monday) creating policy, which we really should only be doing with respect to things that need an immediate response where we don't have time to gain consensus, which was the case there. At that time, while we had some input from the company and their support, the company had made no choices as to what their policies would actually be. We had hope, at the time, to gain consensus for the policy, which did happen, and to have the company make a policy that AI generation wouldn't be allowed, which didn't happen, but limitations (requires attribution) was written somewhat later.
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@gparyani I... don't think I'd encourage someone to do that.
 
@Makyen I agree that it was definitely right to declare it as a temporary policy at the time. The question is why, in the present time, has it not been made permanent, which you addressed.
 
@cocomac It's debatable. I'm not opposed to a new post, but I'm partial to just editing out the "temporary" from the title (at least as a next step). We (moderators) haven't had a sufficiently large/long discussion to reach consensus (discussion on the topic has been sporadic).
 
@Makyen Fair enough, thanks for the explanation
 
5:48 AM
np
 
 
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8:20 AM
I can't see either a reason why the policy would change or that there's any disparity between what's written there and the actual policy; therefore, I can't see a reason why the title should continue to say temporary, nor can I see a reason to make a new post about the policy.
 
9:13 AM
@KarlKnechtel fair. It could just say "Policy" rather than "Temporary policy". We do change policies, so nothing is expected to be permanent.
 
 
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12:54 PM
@Makyen Right - Or, even worse (IMHO), those that are accepted and/or upvoted with a comment saying something like, "This didn't work for me, but thank you for the excellent answer."
 
1:45 PM
@KarlKnechtel IIRC, the justification for a rewrite was to make sure the policy text reflects the current situation. A permanent policy wouldn't be used to "slow the influx", for example
 
 
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Q: Are some Meta Badges impossible to get?

Lamper46If you look at every badge on Meta, you'll notice how a few of the badges have not been awarded. These badges are awarded for creating and awarding bounties. However, you can't use bounties on Meta, so why do those badges exist at all?

 
 
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10:50 PM
huh. community bulletin not showing any hot meta posts.
 
Slow meta week
Probably
 

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