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Q: User submit throttle - 40 minutes - Global or Group-focused

Eric MarceauIs there a reason why the 40-minutes delay throttle applies globally to all discussion groups? If you allow 1 per 40 minutes, couldn't the "firewall" be modified to allow 3 questions per 6 hours instead? That way, users would get a smaller quota, but be able to "get their questions out of their s...

 
 
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Q: Why this question is closed?

RickAsynchronous vs synchronous execution, what is the main difference? It's a good question and have some good answers. This kind of question is meant to be broad and not "focused". I don't think this question fits into any other sites. I think the one who closed this question also agrees on this b...

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Q: How to get rewards. of the reward. What do you do first?How to get rewards. of the reward. What do you do first?

Dawong Kunlawong*** " emphasized text "*** https://stackoverflow.com ***** " List item " ***** https://stackoverflow.com

 
@NewPosts Uhhhhh. Is that a spam seed or something?
 
4:12 AM
seed?
it looks to me like someone who is just messing around aimlessly and has no intent to participate in earnest.
 
 
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10:33 AM
O boy
 
11:05 AM
> Most of my posts contain facts that may upset people who are firmly convinced of the opposite. This is not my problem.
This is one one hell of an About section in a user's profile.
 
That's so good, I'm tempted to steal it.
I have something similar:
> I have strong ideas and make a habit of openly challenging assumptions. People don't like having their assumptions challenged, so this sometimes leads to confrontation. Nothing I say is meant to offend; please don't take it personally.
 
11:22 AM
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Q: Before down voting make a comment

JohnI have been using stackoverflow for years. I found this website is full of some weird-persons who love to down-vote but don't mention the reason why. It is very unprofessional behavior in such a professional website. I would recommend to the stackoverflow authority to make it compulsory to comme...

 
11:33 AM
> Note: this not a question actually.
"This statement is a lie."
 
How did this question with only 1 upvote and < 50 views (34 at the time I post this) become a Hot Network Question?
 
Exceptionally low activity on the Chinese.SE?
I recall the HNQ algorithm tries to measure activity based on the site. I don't know if it has a threshold for which values it considers.
Also has two answers in rather short succession. That probably contributed.
 
Yeah the answers must have factored in, otherwise HNQ would be filled with WindowsPhone.SE questions. :-)
That... exceptionally low-quality answer that just barely avoids being both a link-only answer and LM G BTFY.
 
It's already being filled with garbage questions from WB, just because lots of people rush in to answer them.
No strikethrough in the middle of a word, unfortunately.
 
@CodyGray How did the answer not mention Jackie Chan as a Chinese character /s
 
11:41 AM
Jackie Chan is an actor
duh
Sun Wu Kong is a character, for example
...and now I wonder if Jackie Chan ever played Sun Wu Kong. And if not, why hasn't this happened yet.
 
He is an actor who has played himself
 
@VLAZ What now?
Is Jackie Chan Chinese? Is Hong Kong part of China?
 
@CodyGray Is that UTF? Or is there some incantation to make the strikethrough markdown work?
 
I just put a hair space in there.
I forgot I needed to do that, and it took me a bit to find one to copy to my clipboard.
 
OK, that's just what I was going to try.
 
11:47 AM
Seems Mr. I-Hate-Downvotes deleted his answer to his off-topic question after his off-topic question received a downvote. :-(
 
@CodyGray it is (technically) now, it wasn't at the time he was born so I guess.....he's British Hong Kongian?
 
Damn Brits.
 
First they claim Jackie Chan, then what? The world?
 
You have the correct items, but they are in the wrong order.
 
Yeah, we claimed the what?, then the world, then Jackie Chan
 
11:53 AM
What?
 
Ah, so that's the origin of "You what, mate?" - asking your friend if they got the "what".
 
Yeah, it's the same what that's in what's up
 
Dude, you got the troposphere.
 
@NickstandswithUkraine "I should not get a downvote, instead the downvoter should have answered"
 
11:58 AM
I seeee, although that goes against the usual argument of people downvoting because they don't know the answer
 
Translation: If a question is downvoted for lack of research effort, that proves that the question has an answer elsewhere. So, instead of downvoting, that person should have the common courtesy to provide a link to the answer.
 
@NickstandswithUkraine Yes, because argument being that if they downvote because lack of research, they know that research would have provided an answer. Therefore now (as opposed to the beginning of the comment thread) downvoting means that the downvoter knows the answer exists and presumably what/where it is. They doesn't want to share it.
 
@CodyGray It's... well, it's not the worst argument I've heard.
 
So... By that logic everyone can downvote, either for knowing it or not knowing it
 
Yeah, you either downvote because you don't know the answer, or you downvote because you do know the answer.
Good, good; more downvoting!
 
12:02 PM
@NickstandswithUkraine And according to the argument put forward, they shouldn't. If they don't know the answer, they shouldn't downvote. If they know the answer, they also shouldn't downvote.
 
I guess I should go and do something useful then rather than continuing to lie in bed all day
 
Isn't it Sunday?
If so, that sounds like a preposterous claim.
 
What's special about Sunday
 
Good point. Why not lie in bed all day, every day?
 
12:13 PM
@VLAZ I feel it's more complicated than "not wanting to share it". Sometimes, I feel like the downvoted downvote because they: 1. disagree, which doesn't necessarily mean they know a better answer. 2. don't find the answer useful or that it doesn't work for their perhaps similar, same or even related problem. 3. isn't detailed enough. 4. ???
I could go on here, but it would be useless. Point is, sometimes people downvote or upvote for different reasons that may or may not be logical/obvious.
Sometimes people upvote a 100% wrong answer full of errors just because of "effort" without actually checking the answer. etc
 
@NordineLotfi To be clear, what I described is not my thoughts on voting
 
ah, gotcha
I guess I misunderstood what you meant, my bad
 
@NordineLotfi that is why downvoting is easier than upvoting. It's often abundantly clear when something is unhelpful. Knowing when something is helpful though? That's harder
 
@NordineLotfi I'd argue that it's more often that people do not upvote for effort. Long and detailed answers tend to not attract as much votes as shorter "more convenient" answers.
 
@NickstandswithUkraine I mean, if by "harder" you mean that "checking if an answer works" or "if it's truthful" is hard, then I don't know what is :P But I feel like, if it's something really simple to test, like say python/javascript, it's only a few clicks away
 
12:18 PM
IMO "it works" is not a sufficient reason by itself to vote.
 
Something working doesn't mean it's helpful, a question could be legitimate and answerable and the answer could indeed answer it, but if only that one person will ever need that answer it's still not helpful.
 
@VLAZ yep, I guess those kind of really nice detailed answer tend to attract at most 1-2 upvote in the same month, but in the long run, if the problem it pertain to is or will become prevalent/popular, then you can bet it will go in range of 20-100 upvote, or maybe more in a year
@VLAZ fastest gun in the west :/
 
One can post non-working code with excellent description for it. Or one can post working code with literally nothing else, where the working solution has been well-trodden and a multi-duplicate.
 
@VLAZ sadly this is one of the main only reason why some people upvote...but I agree
 
@NordineLotfi Generally not, in my extensive experience writing such answers. :-)
 
12:20 PM
And yeah, obvious duplicates are another reason I'll happily downvote, even the answers
 
@CodyGray hmm, I guess it depend? I agree it's easy to find such great answer with less deserved upvote (I think I saw one once, although I did upvote even though it's not enough to turn the scale)
 
"TL;DR" is a thing, even though it's a thing I really hate.
"Where's the copy-pastable code?" costs me a lot of upvotes. Meh.
Someone else can provide those answers, and is always happy to do so.
 
I usually only give light single or two sentence explanation in the "TL;DR" part, and then say "look at the end of the post for full working code/example". Other times I just link to other related longer and better answer but provide code with some light explanation
 
Oh, I wasn't referring to a "TL;DR" part, but rather the actual meaning of the abbreviation: "too long; didn't read".
 
oh, right :D yeah I don't like doing those myself unless the solution is relatively simple (eg: sourcing your shell config, etc kind of simple)
 
12:28 PM
I don't dislike the idea of it on things that are actually long. Generally I make more use of TL;DWs, videos are much harder to skim than text.
 
it would have been nice if the "sentiment" or "reason" were required to be added when someone has to upvote/downvote (even if done anonymously like it is now). It would really shed some light, but then again, I guess most people would find that tiresome and wouldn't do it
 
@CodyGray one of the most important factors of HNQ is the total votes on both Q&A (votes on answers weigh higher). Based on observation on my sites, a total upvote of 3 is usually enough to push it to HNQ. And yes, it must have at least 1 answer.
 
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Q: What can I do to be unlocked on stackoverflow?

FileEXI've read it What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”? and Why are questions no longer being accepted from my account? I know I need to correct my questions to make them more readable. I did the best I could, but unfortunately for over half a yea...

 
1:00 PM
@NewPosts Before posting on Meta make a research
 
Ugh
 
 
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2:07 PM
Maybe one should start a "Bad Stack Overflow takes" profile on Twitter or something.
 
2:17 PM
The "ugh" was mostly about the grammar, applying a definite article to an indefinite noun.
English also isn't like German, where the verb "macht" can be applied to basically anything, so "make" sounds awkward there, but... that's a minor issue by comparison.
 
 
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3:34 PM
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Q: Why aren't accepted answers removed from the review queues?

EthanTitle pretty much sums it up. I was recently looking at the Late Answers and First Answers review queues and something like three review tasks in a row were for accepted answers. My question is why are accepted answers included in review queues and not automatically removed? It seems like most ac...

 
3:48 PM
Genuine question, when did we start closing actioned-on reopen-closed questions as no repro? I've seen it quite a few times recently. Did I miss some meta discussion about it or something? Because like that seems like a terrible use of that close reason to me....
 
Active meta close voters love to overreach with no repro
It's not a consensus, it's just a thing that happens
(AFAIK)
 
Well it seems like an incorrect thing that is happening to me. Like... are we going to reopen that question if the one on main gets closed again?
 
4:19 PM
@HenryEcker It's not a very recent thing, AFAIK. It's just has always been wrong.
 
Yes, it's incorrect.
We have one or two people who have adopted bad closure habits on Meta, and then we have a group of people who will just vote to do whatever they're presented with in a review queue on Meta. (Some of these people will vote to close a question, then, shortly thereafter, vote to reopen it, with no significant intervening edits.)
 
that's weird. I'm guessing some moderator probably knows which group of people or specific users that do this repeatedly, so how come they still continue? eg: any action is taken like reaching out or something to see the why/what/etc
 
Well, up until recently, we didn't have any way to see aggregated closure decisions for a user, so it was very tedious to compile the evidence of a pattern.
And, now, it's basically just an issue of moderators having limited time.
Several of us are quite aware of the problem, we just haven't had the time to do anything about it.
Frankly, it's easier to just reverse the votes on Meta, and, for me, Meta is small enough that I can pretty much monitor all the activity there...
It's not a good solution, mind you.
 
4:36 PM
I see, I guess it's fine if it's just Meta and not SO/or other SE :)
 
haha, yeah. Well, not really.
You know how, in life, you always have a handful of things that are broken, irritatingly so, and you really should get them fixed, but, for some reason, you just... haven't?
You don't have time to deal with fixing them or replacing them, so you keep tolerating it, even though the little annoyances each time of having to deal with a broken thing add up.
I have... a lot (too many) of these things.
 
yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I have a couple of those myself...
 
What? You guys do not live in a paradise?
 
4:57 PM
I live in Texas.
 
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Q: How do I make a computed case statement in SEDE?

James RisnerI've been researching most of the morning on how to do a computed case statement and apply a where clause to the result. I'm attempting a SEDE query that eliminates as many lines from the select with where, then apply a computation on the remaining. The computation is expensive, as it is several ...

 
5:34 PM
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Q: Copyright Status of Blog Post Containing Stack Overflow Answers

Robin AndrewsI've got an idea for a blog post I want to write which compares different approaches to a problem demonstrated in the answers to a question on the site. For a specific example: there are so many ways to approach generating powersets in Python, and many are shown here: How to get all subsets of a ...

 
Can we maybe go through IP law 101 before asking the more advanced topics?
Copyright of the blog article would belong to the author of the blog article. However, they would not own the copyright of the code taken from SO.
Because that's how copyright works.
 
Maybe we could even just go through the Help Center: stackoverflow.com/help/referencing
 
5:49 PM
That would be part of the more advanced topics. After figuring out what copyright is.
 
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Q: CSS flex items overlap

aasem shoshariI have 2 flex items in the whole app, one for sidebar and one for content, sidebar have a width 15% and content have a width of 85% , when I minimize the screen width I notice that the content just ignores widths and fills as much as it needs, how can I stop this behavior ?

 
 
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@ZoestandswithUkraine it doesn't seem like overreach to me. The reported problem is that the question is closed; because the question is not closed, this is not reproducible
 
But that's not how we operate on meta
We don't close stuff that has been completed. We add [status-completed] instead
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger that "caveman" guy from the recently deleted meta question certainly takes the cake
 
 
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8:31 PM
is it just me, or did anyone ever felt like they were better at solving other people problem, even when they seemed out of your "league" (basically something you never learned or looked into) but found a solution that worked for someone else faster than if it were for yourself? (eg: your own project, etc)
I have a lot of those instances whenever I answer something on SE (and now recently, SO) or even in certain chat room on SO/SE
 
You develop "blindness" to problems you have with code. That's why you have the problem in the first place, because you don't know what you are glossing over.
That's why rubber duck debugging exists. And why trying to explain the problem to somebody else might actually cause you to see the solution. Forces you to re-examine the information you have.
If you're looking at somebody else's problem, you're already re-examining it. You've not spent, say, an hour missing one small detail so many times you managed to train yourself to ignore it.
 
8:57 PM
hmm, I guess this explain quite a bit yeah
@VLAZ ah, but to clarify, I'm saying the above for problems I never saw before. eg: for specific third party libraries, etc. It's like I have wings whenever I answer someone else question, but I don't get any whenever it's for my own problems
 
when you actually have the problem, it's demoralizing. Someone else's problem can be inspiring, because of how it will feel to help someone else out.
 
 
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10:28 PM
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Q: I got reputation on a post I didn't act on

softcodeI got 2 more reputation for "I'm not getting my expected output in FLEX Windows LEX compiler" on Stack Overflow. I didn't even act on it, no comments, no answers, etc. I got this in the last 7 days, and I don't know how this happened. Screenshot:

 

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