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12:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9Samuel Liew ♦ 8 secs ago
 
 
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1:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taylor D. Edmiston
Note that this setting does not seem to apply to Meta Stack Overflow, e.g., even when you have dark enabled on Stack Overflow, Meta will still be light. I checked for a separate theme setting on Meta, but for whatever reason it is missing. — Taylor D. Edmiston 1 min ago
 
2:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I don't think there is any suitable place for such meta-meta comment/post anywhere on SE network... If you have an actual proposal (nowhere in this post) to make people read guidance you should apply that to making people to read SO/SE guidance here and whatever other place you find useful for github/some other sites' policies. At this point it does not look like a question about SO/SE to me... — Alexei Levenkov 16 secs ago
 
 
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4:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark
I sometimes wonder how we compare today's assessment of questions with yesterday's. One wonders how some of the earlier (and now most upvoted) questions, such as this, or this would be handled today. By the standards of those questions, the OP's looks downright loquacious. — Mark 1 min ago
 
5:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's not really opinion based, but it's certainly asking for plugins / libraries, which is off-topic on SO... — Cerbrus 15 secs ago
 
6:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
Wouldn't "NEEDS FOCUS" be also a good close reason? The question is very, very ancient. Was it closed rrecently? — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I'm afraid the wording reeks of brainstorming ideas which is usually too broad/opinion-based. Though, I guess the question can be salvaged into a simple how-to question. — Andrew T. 40 secs ago
 
6:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Using CLI != programming only. You're asking for a command line solution, not a programming one. The answer illustrates this perfectly as it's "use a different tool". — VLAZ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Yeah, I think it seems fine; certainly not opinion based (one close voter did pick "Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more"). I think it sounds more like an on-topic how-to question even if the answer is likely a plugin, though one could imagine an IDE having a way to do it without one (e.g., some IDEs do colorize strings they recognize as SQL syntax). — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I don't think we need an update for every vote the question gets. Also note that by posting you've accelerated the number of votes you'd get due to the meta effectVLAZ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kunibert
Is there a meta meta stackoverflow where I can ask why my question about getting downvotes gets downvoted? — Kunibert 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[mse] I suppose. But questions about "why the downvotes" generally get downvoted anyway. — VLAZ 17 secs ago
 
7:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Meta Stack Overflow is its own meta site, so that would be on-topic here (and off-topic on Meta Stack Exchange, really). But it's not really necessary to ask, as we can discuss it here: in general (as @VLAZ notes), posts complaining about downvotes tend to get downvoted, as people tend not to see them as useful (contrast with asking why a question was downvoted and how/if you could improve it). — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kunibert
Thanks for taking you time and clearing things up and all but I concluded I don't want to engage in a seemingly toxic community that's more concerned about putting apples into the right box instead of caring about the apples themselves, whereas all people access the apples via google search and don't give a shit about the box labels. Between physics and chemistry stack exchange there is a similar ambiguity on certain topics (i.e. wave function of multi electron systems) but there the community doesn't care where the question is getting posted and rather enjoys discussing the question itself. — Kunibert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
When you copy code you need to also include a link to the original source and to the user's profile, and per the licence agreement. Not enougj people do that already, so amking it easier would only make it worse in my opinion. Unless that copy paste includes that information somehow. — Thom A 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Is this a discussion, a request for support, or a feature request? Those tags are mutually exclusive. — Cerbrus 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robby Cornelissen
The word toxic gets thrown around so much on meta that it has lost all meaning. Down-voted? Toxic. Don't want to deal with off-topic questions? Toxic. As for the comparison with other Stack Exchange sites: take a look at the new questions page. The 50th question on the physics site was asked 18 hours ago. For Stack Overflow, that was 10 minutes (!) ago. It's a lot easier to care about every single question when you get less than a 100 per day. — Robby Cornelissen 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You think we should allow cookery questions, or physics or chemistry questions? We draw the line where we do and in this case there's a site that probably will accept your question/answer and where it likely will get upvotes. Do remember voting is not toxic, rude comments are but you don't seem to have any of those. — Robert Longson 45 secs ago
 
8:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@AlexeiLevenkov Sorry, I keep on seeing comments how deletion is somehow en par (or even more helpful) with not doing anything and, well, I am baffled. An unanswered question is heaps better than an unanswered question that is also deleted. We aren't expected to keep on kicking a question that has already been handled. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
 
8:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I don't think the comparison to cookery questions is entirely apt here. I mean really this is at least close to the line of programming; it involves a bash script in the question. It may not be clearly about programming (the answer first suggests a non-programming solution) but there's certainly some programming involved here. It could be titled "bash script that mixes multiple audio files using ffmpeg" and move the suggestion to use a different CLI tool to the end of the answer, and it'd be pretty arguably on-topic. — Ryan M ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@TaylorD.Edmiston That's correct: "there is no Dark Theme support on Meta"Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by malhal
my feed hasn't updated in a couple of weeks, anyone else having this problem? — malhal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@RyanM deliberate hyperbole. Wherever the line is there will be questions on one side or the other and ones we will all disagree on. — Robert Longson 26 secs ago
 
9:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
I, personally, wouldn't consider that "acceptable" no. Readability is important. Rolling back was the right call, in my opinion. If it's a constant issue, then flag a post with a custom moderator flag and explain the issue there. — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dong Li
Everything this site bans like copying code is allowed by chat GPT. chat GTP has a button to copy code. — Dong Li 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
FWIW I can't see that this is a reoccurring issue in the particular user's revision history. — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robby Cornelissen
Didn't go as far as to check the user's entire revision history. It just stood out that it happened to both answers on the same question. — Robby Cornelissen 33 secs ago
 
9:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kunibert
Imagine a newcomer like me sees an ffmpeg-question like mine upvoted 541 times: stackoverflow.com/questions/3937387/rotating-videos-with-ffm‌​peg, except this one doesn't even include scripting. Why should I assume I'm on the wrong stackexchange? Why did no one close that question because it "is not about programming or software development"? This all looks pretty arbitrary to me. — Kunibert 1 min ago
 
10:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robby Cornelissen
That's a fair point. Unless the snippet is very short, I always try to put the salient parts of my solution in the explanation, and then just follow up with a snippet to demonstrate that it actually works. I do agree that for users who only post a snippet, the important parts sometimes tend to get lost. — Robby Cornelissen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@RobbyCornelissen Yeah, yours is honestly fine either way, given that you pulled the relevant part out and led with it. But the other answer was definitely improved by the edit. — Ryan M ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@Kunibert: Stack Overflow evolves, and some (well, many) old questions, once being suitable for Stack Overflow, are no longer on-topic here. When ask a new question, it is always useful to read excerpt in the tags you are using. E.g. excerpt in ffmpeg tag says: "Only questions about programmatic use of the FFmpeg libraries, API, or tools are on topic. Questions about interactive use of the command line tool should be asked on Super User or Video Production." — Tsyvarev 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Copying code isn't banned, @DongLi , it's very much expressly allowed due to the content being licenced by CC by-SA; you just need to ensure that when you copy that code you properly cite the source and licence. — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
If the data doesn't need to be in the answer, @VLAZ , then it shouldn';t be in the answer. Remove it entirely. — Thom A just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@ThomA You can process the data with the code and show off the result. I just don't want to read the whole of it again. Since whitespace is insignificant for JS objects and JS arrays, making it all in one line seems more convenient. I don't need to read all of it multiple times. I've seen it in the question already. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Which is why I ask why have it in the answer at all; clearly it's not needed by your arguement, @VLAZ . — Thom A 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@ThomA not needed to read the data. Also repeatedly. Seeing the result of the code running is still useful. Again, if you have argument for always leaving the data in a snippet expanded, please post it as an answer. — VLAZ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Dong Li: Everything this site has, like information that can be trusted, completely made up stuff and lies are allowed by ChatGPT — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Dong Li: ChatGPT is insanely great, but everything this site has, like information that can be trusted, completely made up stuff and lies are allowed by ChatGPT. 7 x 92001 = 646007. What???? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
" Why did no one close that question because it "is not about programming or software development"?" Well, it is closed now. Due to sheer volume of questions asked on daily basis, Stack Overflow lacks volunteers that moderate site and close unsuitable questions. Because of that you cannot rely on existing questions (even highly upvoted ones) when trying to figure out whether your question is on topic or not. Help center has a number of articles that can help you, but you can also ask here on SO Meta if you have some doubts whether question you want to ask will be on topic for the site. — Dalija Prasnikar 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dong Li
I have been asked to review some of the 'new' questions new contributors are asking and am a little demotivated by the quality of those posts, time they make the newbie tour mandatory or we are just gonna keep clicking the Skip button — Dong Li 13 secs ago
 
11:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dong Li
@PeterMortensen, Hi I ceased being Publius Flavius Tiberius. People call me Dong Li nowadays :)) — Dong Li 41 secs ago
 
11:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Renato C.Francisco
I think this idea is valid. Not only that, but I hate that in SOpt-br, there is always at least one Brazilian putting an English question, even if it's well-formed, they get completely destroyed by downvotes. — Renato C.Francisco 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Why did no one close that question because it "is not about programming or software development"?" consider the following: the downvote privilege requires 125 reputation, while the close vote privilege requires 3000 reputation. So there is a big gap between the two where somebody can downvote but not close vote. They can flag to close but that adds a post to the close votes review queue. A post still requires three close votes to be closed for "Not about programming" 1/2 — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
The close votes queue has about 3k items in it which is close enough to its usual state. Point being there is a lot to review. You can see that your post was in the queue the date Mar 20 is when it entered. The timestamp is from about 20 minutes after you posted. So the answer is underwhelmingly that not enough people saw the question to vote for closure. Before the meta effect. What you call "arbitrary" is simply being short-handed. 2/2 — VLAZ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
(Bonus! 3/2) Stack Overflow gets 4.4k questions per day. That's also on average - over the weekend the activity is lower, so there are less questions. Over the work week we do get more than the average. So, if you are wondering why your question was somehow singled out and not looked at - no, there are just too many coming in to properly examine each and every one each and every single day. Again, short-handedness, rather than deliberately randomly trying to apply rules. — VLAZ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@user4581301: A theory is that DDG uses Bing for most queries. — Peter Mortensen 25 secs ago
 
 
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1:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Comments aren't designed to be permanent; presumably someone flagged yours as no longer needed. Considering you were the OP, perhaps they were comments that should have been edits to the post? If so, then they were rightfully removed. — Thom A 1 min ago
 
1:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
There is comment of yours in that question. If any comment was deleted, it's impossible to venture an opinion as to why without knowing any thing about this comments. — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Removal of noise is a common practice like I just did to this question (which was, in truth, before I read the linked question). — Thom A 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
What was edited out, was emotion, commentary, not relevant to the reader or necessary for answering. Removing this improves readability. — CodeCaster 1 min ago
 
1:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
Your claim isn't entirely correct, since I did leave one of your comments. I deleted the other ones, along with several other comments from myself and other users because the conversation wasn't going anywhere. 1) comments are transient by nature; 2) comments aren't meant for extended discussion; 3) the place where to dispute question closure is meta, not comments for the reasons 1 and 2. I deemed entirely unnecessary to leave there all the (inconclusive) back and forth — blackgreen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
I shall also note that some of those comments were quite closer to being rants about the close process rather than discussion about the merits of your question — blackgreen ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
"I think some of the text removed was necessary for the remaining text to make sense." - Which exact part of the removed text you think is necessary for the remaining text? Please, be specific, even on meta. — Tsyvarev 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Does this answer your question? How can I log out from Stack Overflow?jonrsharpe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WoJ
@blackgreen how do you imagine leaving comments that refer to comments that were deleted? Do you find that normal to simply censor another point of view (and code examples)? To me, this is simply misusing mod power to silence others when it is convenient - the back and forth was plain documented discussion. Anyway, this is fortunately SO and not normal life so feel free to delete that one too so that there can be more downvotes. Seriously - over the 10 or whatever years I am in SO the Go community is one where only geniuses can live in their circle and bad luck if you want to learn something. — WoJ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4
Are the duplicate targets in that question suitable or not? — E_net4 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben the Coder
@user4581301 I use Bing, and it's great. — Ben the Coder 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
If an important detail was removed by accident, you can add it. But don't add the whole noise back into the question. — Dharman ♦ 56 secs ago
 
2:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@WoJ clarifications / code examples etc. should ideally go in your question itself. If you want to demonstrate your question is not a duplicate it should be edited. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 23 secs ago
 
3:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Long story short: "how to" questions are hit and miss. If you have one, triple check how you phrase it. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
3:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omar Tougui
Did they change it yet ? — Omar Tougui 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Nakis
@Tsyvarev I think that the paragraph which now reads in its entirety "Then the i! would be avoided." does not make sense. The original was "Note that if it could be made more terse, then it would also be made more neat, because that ugly i! could be avoided." — Mike Nakis 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bella_Blue
Thank you for your feedback. We are also in the process of looking at other metrics by which to measure success of an experiment. CTR was only the first data point we measured, but we plan on tracking other metrics in future experiments as we agree we want a fuller picture of engagement. — Bella_Blue ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
Why do you think it doesn’t make sense? It’s not really important that we take your opinion of that operator’s beauty (or otherwise) into account is it? — Clive 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"today" doesn't mean anything in an "UPDATE" Section if you don't put a Date/Timestamp for the Update...! Not "our Role" to have to check all the Revisions to find out when that Update Section with this "today" was added... — chivracq 46 secs ago
 
4:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@TylerH Why did you edit both of the example posts you were using, which destroyed both of them as examples for this bug report? — Makyen ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
The affinity to throw out (presumably) a good, helpful answer simply because it came from a source that is disliked is astounding and intrinsically counter-productive to the site's mission of curating a library of useful content. I am 100% on board with stemming the tide of crap content from any content generator, AI or no– but once we start considering quality answers as garbage simply because of their source, we have crossed the line into madness, in my opinion. The goal of the ban was to get generated content to be curated, not to throw out helpful content. This outcome is absurd. — zcoop98 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I think people aware of this experiment would generally abstain from clicking these links for the duration. I think the idea is to gauge click rate from people unfamiliar with these canonicals. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Makyen I took screenshots to show what it looked like before and edited them to test whether editing fixed it. I can, however, find even more examples for you, if you like. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben the Coder
@user4581301 "People use Bing?" I use Bing, and it's great. I don't think you should say that as Bing is an amazing search engine and AI service. — Ben the Coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WoJ
OK, I give up. As for TS - you said that you do not know a language where my question works, I gave you a ready example of code, to which you replied that with strict checks it would not (but it does). Then that the duplicates were correct, to which I gave, again, code to show that are not -- and at the end all of this was deleted. This is not how a sane organization is managed. — WoJ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
Well, I think that objectively expressed feelings about the code's view could be very well part of the question post. Especially when these feelings are part of the problem. However, the original "Note that if it ..." looks quite long. What about "I want to avoid that ugly i!."? (As for me, I find that i! funny, but I have no idea about its meaning). — Tsyvarev 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
BTW, don't you think that noting that paragraph (its original and current content) in the (meta) question post would improve it? At least, other readers won't think that you want to revert back the first paragraph - "I am doing something very simple and straightforward, and I cannot help but suspect / wish that it could be made a bit shorter." - which is hardly more than a noise. — Tsyvarev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
It helps to have links to posts which actually exhibit the issue. With such links, people can easily check to see if it's been fixed, which might result in someone who wants to know if it's fixed yet, such as @OmarTougui above, being able to easily check for themselves, rather than needing to ask. — Makyen ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@OmarTougui To answer your question, no, it's not been fixed. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Quick clarification: does this apply to all questions or only to unanswered questions? Or that's something that's also tested and the user shouldn't know in the first place? :) — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@MisterMiyagi not sure why you suggest that "not doing anything at all" is the right action as alternative to "super-downvote-delete" - if one deletes the question because it not up to sites standards in some way they should do moderation by downvoting instead of deletion. Indeed there are mercy deletions that flat out should not happen - but even in that case one ideally should vote instead (probably up). — Alexei Levenkov 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@ThomA it's unclear how you could have runnable snippets that demonstrate how the answer's code operates on the data (which is useful) without having the data in the snippet. The issue is having the data take up the vast majority of the vertical space in said snippet. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Mann
How do members recommend new tags to be included in collectives? The CI/CD collective is missing the [azure-pipelines] tag, for example, which is a very active tag for a very popular CI/CD tool. Meanwhile, it includes the ancient, rarely-used [tfsbuild] tag, which is effectively synonymous with [azure-pipelines]. — Daniel Mann 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
...I agree that unanswered non-deleted questions is not a problem for the site - it is a "problem" for people that asked those downvoted questions. And really it is not downvotes that people have problem with, it's just Q-ban. If there is no such aggressive throttling for people who did not show asking good questions I think most of the posters would not give a *** to downvotes... — Alexei Levenkov 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Keeping the deleted comments aside I'd agree that the question was not a duplicate of the first target, the second target does apply though. It was quite obvious OP had a misunderstanding about how the structs / variables worked, either that should have been addressed in an answer or an appropriate duplicate target found. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Nakis
@Tsyvarev thanks for the suggestion, I fixed that. By the way, the exclamation mark tells the C# compiler to go ahead and obtain the value of i despite the fact that i is nullable and yet it has not been checked against null in the current scope. (It has been checked in a previous scope, but the compiler cannot possibly know that.) — Mike Nakis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bella_Blue
@AndrewT. Thanks for asking! This applies to all questions :) — Bella_Blue ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
The stated objective is to "improve the relevance of related questions" why then is the metric measured click through rate? How is the CTR related to the objective? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@BlueRobin - Sometimes IP addresses are used by large groups (work settings, college settings, etc.) and there are sometimes bad actors in those large groups. That can trigger the system to label those addresses as bad actors and affect multiple other normal users. — Travis J 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cottontail
Does this answer your question? Unable to retract VLQ flagcottontail 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
People also still use Altavista, but of course that just routes them through Yahoo and Bing. I'm sitting back and seeing if the improvements made to Bing actually pay off. Google killed off pretty much everybody in the web search business in a matter of months and I'm always interested in seeing if another company can match or better that. — user4581301 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@Dharman But that completely missed the point made by VLAZ. If the idea is to improve relevance, then the CTR is completely irrelevant in determining if you've actually improved the relevance, and thus they should stop using CTR as a measure for success. — mason 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
Oh, nice, now I seem to understand the very question on SO: it is about avoiding a hint to the compiler (via exclamation mark) when the hinted information is contained in the previous line (the Where clause). Well, this i! is not so "ugly" as goto in C, but the reason to avoid it is definitely objective. Most likely, that reason is well-known for everyone who programs in C#/LINQ more than a day, so epithets for i! are not so vital. But I don't think single-word "ugly" will harm the question post. — Tsyvarev 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Yes, just like with plagiarism, direct paraphrasing of AI generated content isn't permitted. We've detected and appropriately handled a substantial number of posts and users where there was considerable effort made to hide/obfuscate that the post content was AI generated. Is detection of such posts perfect? Of course, not. However, moderators are likely going to be less lenient for a user that has clearly demonstrated, by trying to hide/obfuscate, that they know they are doing something that's against the rules and at the same time caused moderators and users doing curation to spend more time. — Makyen ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@AlexeiLevenkov 'not sure why you suggest that "not doing anything at all" is the right action as alternative to "super-downvote-delete"' Because nothing needed to be done. The question was already sufficiently voted on when the delete-votes were piled on; being able to delete-vote means the question was already severely downvoted in the first place. — MisterMiyagi 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
What did it look like originally? Because it seems like it's been this way since at least 2019 (possibly earlier). — V2Blast ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
Here's an even older example from 2013. I'm guessing this is by design, but I'll check with the devs. — V2Blast ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Then this should be a feature request. I know it's something that I've looked for multiple times on CW posts in the "normal" location and been frustrated at not seeing it, and not having it available at all once the post has been edited. — Makyen ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
@TravisJ I did log on from my school a bunch of times. Maybe that's why. — Blue Robin 1 min ago
 
6:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@MisterMiyagi formally speaking one is expected to vote on the content and not base votes on the current number of votes the post has... (note that this is my understanding of the site's current policies... does not necessary mean I agree or follow :)) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@V2Blast There's a fair chance it always looked like this and I never realized it, but if that is the case, then I agree with Makyen that it should be a feature-request to make it behave the same way as normal posts--seeing the original post date is useful information even for CW posts, IMHO. — TylerH 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
whatsit: "(chiefly UK) A thing (used in a vague way to refer to something whose name one cannot recall, or that one is embarrassed to say)"Peter Mortensen 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
In that case, I'd suggest making that feature request as a new post on MSE (if there isn't already a feature request there about it). And it should probably explain the reasoning for the request as well. — V2Blast ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I think a good solution to this problem would be looking at things like upvotes cast as well. Right now, CTR is probably a decent proxy metric just because the current recommendations are so bad that you definitely don't need to visit the page to know if they're relevant or not. Getting to plausibly related questions would be a huge improvement over the current state of clearly unrelated questions. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@AbdulAzizBarkat While in the long term a better metric is needed (discussed more in VLAZ's answer and the comments there), right now the related suggestions are so clearly unrelated that getting suggestions plausible enough to click would be a huge improvement. — Ryan M ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Meta talk is not the same as verboseness. E.g., a post can be verbose with zero meta talk. — Peter Mortensen 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
@chivracq: Thanks, I've added a parenthetical now to the body text now to mention the date (Bella had already edited the title accordingly). — V2Blast ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
Just speaking from personal experience: I know I've sometimes had the same issue on Role-playing Games, where the same or similar question could be asked about different editions of the same system, and potentially have very different answers. So I think it may be worth exploring solutions to this issue in general – but I'm guessing it's probably outside the scope of this particular experiment. — V2Blast ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Meta talk is not the same as verboseness. E.g., a post can be verbose with zero (zilch) meta talk. Or be short and full of meta talk (e.g., "I get error X. Can anybody help me? I have been trying to fix this for weeks now and have searched the entire Internet. I also asked ChatGPT, but it will only tell me lies and make up stuff."). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I had completely forgotten that there is a close vote queue. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
7:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
How do you tell the difference between "none of the links look useful" and "I got my answer on this page, so no need to find related questions"? — Anon Coward 1 min ago
 
7:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
On the other hand, if this initiative is successful, and links are noticeably more related and useful, then I would absolutely expect an increased CTR. Clearly the CTR alone doesn't adequately account for "perceived usefulness", but I don't think the metric is quite as flawed as you hold; it just needs to be a useful proxy for the outcome here, and it seems like one to me. It seems very reasonable to assert that if the outcome with ML turned on is actively worse, then the CTR won't actively increase in the experiment. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
@V2Blast, yep, OK, much better indeed... I wasn't thinking about the Title, but OK, why not..., that can be useful for Users who don't check 'Meta' regularly... (Feel free to remove those/our 3 Comments if you want, as they are not really "needed" anymore...) — chivracq 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@Tsyvarev 'I have no idea about its meaning' Nor does anyone else, other than in a general sense independent of & not contributing to the post question; but then your 'that single-word "ugly" won't harm the question post' contradicts that since it will because it is meaningless and/or noise. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"borderline"? Rude. — philipxy 1 min ago
 
8:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Improving search is certainly important. Regarding noticing differences, is there any way we can know in which group we are to make sure it's not placebo? And out of interest, could you share some of the details on the ML approach? A post on applying ML to search for a programming website at the scale of SO would certainly make for an interesting read, wether it improves on ES or not — Erik A 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@philipxy: My phrase "I have no idea about its meaning" was about i! construction (and MikeNakes explained me that meaning). As for "ugly" word, I find its general sense being sufficient to describe some programming language constructions as unnatural and confusing. E.g. as I noted in the previous comment, a goto construction in C is ugly. (But sometimes using goto is a lesser evil than alternatives). — Tsyvarev 21 secs ago
 
 
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9:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ErikE
I asked the question because I truly had no clue how to get started. I spent some amount of time searching the internet and trying to figure it out. It is not a coding question, but an IDE question, which IS on topic. I would suggest that if you don't know what SQL Syntax highlighting has to do with Dapper (because it absolutely has something to do with Dapper), then you may not be qualified to decide if the question is opinion-based because you don't actually know what the question is asking for or why it would even matter. — ErikE just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ErikE
I don't understand how recommending plugins makes it opinion-based. The question doesn't ask for the best plugin among many. It doesn't even express the knowledge that there are any plugins that do the job. It asks for any means possible, including the asker writing a copious amount of code so solve the technical, IDE-based, non-opinion-based goal of getting SQL in strings to be syntax-colorized. It's really quite perplexing how the fact of there being plugin-based answers turns it into opinion-based. Q: How do I do X programming thing AT ALL? A: Try A, B, or C. No opinion there. — ErikE 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ErikE
I have edited the question to more clearly present the concrete "how can I solve this problem" point that is the essence of the question (and shouldn't be considered opinion based). — ErikE 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ErikE
@Cerbrus The question (as it existed at the time of this discussion starting, as well as now) did NOT ask for plugins/libraries as you have asserted in your comment. It simply said "how can this be done"? It revealed certain thoughts on techniques that could solve the problem such as coding an entire plugin, but that was not what was being asked for. And the question doesn't turn into opinion-based simply because the asker, not knowing any reasonable solution, revealed merely having the knowledge that a plugin might be one way to solve the problem. — ErikE 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ErikE
@SteveMarooni Yes, it was closed something like 2 days before this meta question was asked about it. — ErikE 42 secs ago
 
10:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
@Bella_Blue Please always edit clarifications into your question post instead of hiding them in the comments! — user 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Uwaa, I wanted to comment on just the machine learning experiment but there's a ton of this baggage about the generic nature of whether or not this way of displaying content is appropriate. Can we decide on if we're going to do blog post style or Meta discussion style here? — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
Also, I'm confused by your clarification and the comments ("This applies to all questions"). I don't understand how ti fits with the statement in the post which says "However, as we have plans in the future to iterate on the model for recently posted questions, they will be exempt from the ML model." What are "recently posted questions"? — user 40 secs ago
 
11:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
Please avoid non-organic tags in titles (see How to Ask and meta.stackexchange.com/a/131011/997587). I'm uncomfortable making such an edit myself on a staff post. — user 49 secs ago
 

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