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12:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Both sites can and will co-exist, but I wonder why it needs to integrate or promote it in any way. There is no real need for that. If someone wants to ask their question there, they are free to do so. The same applies to asking reddit, yahoo or quora instead of SO. — Tom 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter206
Thanks for the suggestion asking in superuser. The other thread suggestion does not seem to be the same or duplicate. My issue is clearly different — Peter206 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@DavidThielen you can write "four". — Franck Dernoncourt 1 min ago
 
2:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, it is an obvious upgrade. We can only hope for some dog fooding use. — Peter Mortensen 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"So, I'm hoping Stack Overflow can come up with a compelling site that works with ChatGPT before a critical number leave, and it goes into a downward spiral." - If Stack Overflow allows ChatGPT generated answers, I WILL LEAVE, the day it happens. ChatGPT is trash. — Security Hound 27 secs ago
 
2:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Who is "Cezar"? — Peter Mortensen 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, ChatGPT is an insanely great rubber duck which can even talk back to you and always has an answer, right or wrong. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The "Cezar" thing is not clear to the reader. — Peter Mortensen 19 secs ago
 
3:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
So... Stack Overflow still got around 4k questions per day. We don't know how many of those questions are new, unique, on-topic questions instead of low-quality, off-topic, dupe questions. If ChatGPT can solve this moderation issue, then I guess I'm on board. Otherwise, just no. There are already Quora and Reddit for "anything goes on", we don't need to compete with them. — Andrew T. 34 secs ago
 
3:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Well, "we" like closing Threads as "Duplicate" on 'SO' (+'Meta'), the suggested Thread is that 'SuperUser' is "a better match" for asking Qt's about Hardware/OS/Software... (Your Issue is not about Hardware btw...) // But search that Site if your Qt has not been asked before, ... and provide much-more Info...: => Laptop Make and Model + OS exact Version + Keyboard Driver Version + Issue specific to any Browser/Software(?), if Browser => any Add-ons/Extensions(?), etc/etc... — chivracq 56 secs ago
 
3:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
My userscript SavedPostsHelper.user.js adds bulk-moving checkboxes in lists, and adds a quick-move dropdown in the toast immediately after saving a post. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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5:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@DavidThielen "embracing ChatGPT's existence and figuring out how to co-exist with it does need to happen." And all of that has been covered ad nauseam in the announcement. "It used to be just super-search. It's a whole lot more now." Eh, no. It's not "super-search". Look up how a language model works, because you continually claim it can do things which it can't. — Cerbrus 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
In regards to your edit: "This is a very different question from why ChatGPT is presently banned. This question is what will Stack Overflow be used for, if anything, as use of ChatGPT become ubiquitous. Disallowing it on Stack Overflow does not stop people from using it." All the point you raise in here have already been discussed in the dupe target. Every. Single. One. — Cerbrus 54 secs ago
 
6:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
That's why one should not trust statements about the future. "We will ..." may as well mean "We won't ..." and adding "soon" at the end doesn't add useful information. The correct wording would be "We might ...." — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If the output is some graphical user interface, then I guess there's no other way. But if the output is textual, why does it need to be in images? — Andrew T. 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gorzan
@AndrewT. Thanks! My output was in a browser so i think I need images — Gorzan 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gorzan
I think this is one of the reasons they allow to put images in posts — Gorzan 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
For HTML do remember you can also create a runnable snippet that demonstrates the output. See I've been told to create a "runnable" example with "Stack Snippets". How do I do that?VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
In the Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned post, I couldn't find a policy on how/if to flag if a user only posts (bad) ChatGPT answers (100% score on zerogpt.com), even with images of code. My best idea was down-/delete-vote and flag for moderator intervention. I suggest adding something easy to find in the temporary policy post. I post here because a question on this might be a dupe. Thanks. — jay.sf 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gorzan
@VLAZ Yeah I will use that — Gorzan 1 min ago
 
7:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
How is this connected to the Content Discovery initiative? It seems like just using it as a soapbox to air unrelated grievance. Especially given you're answering a question which wasn't asked here but at a separate survey. And the question is only mentioned to talk about the results it got from the survey. And more specifically how it related to the Content Discovery initiative. — VLAZ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
note that "paraphrasing/decorating" is likely not going to be enough to consider the answer original — blackgreen ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hi computer
Contras on the 900%+ increase in click-through rates. But please provide a switch button for users that don`t quite like the UI. — Hi computer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hkrlys
funny to read all the skeptics today, when gpt makes this website useless(finally) and all the ego here is fading. The timer for this place have been started, it is just a matter of time now till it finish, makes me think about karma:) — hkrlys 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hkrlys
irnoically, it is the programmers that are the first to make fun of a new technology, that is going to take their jobs away :) — hkrlys 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@DavidThielen okay, but that is not a question that should go on Stack Overflow so no harm done there. And that would be my take on it. If ChatGPT CAN answer the question... I kind of doubt it was a good question for Stack Overflow. It is either off-topic, or already answered. — Gimby 34 secs ago
 
9:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Why exactly are we discussing this based on a question that clearly lacks focus? It shouldn’t be answered, it should be closed. That ChatGPT is good for questions that aren’t a good fit for SO is somewhat meaningless. — MisterMiyagi 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Last I saw, GPT4 still cannot do long multiplication, and it will state and even attempt to justify totally wrong answers with full apparent "confidence". — Karl Knechtel 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
We are definitely not going to start allowing opinion questions simply to "compete" with ChatGPT which does not offer them. Our reasons for disallowing them were very well considered, and the fundamental reasoning has not changed. We also don't do things because they would be good for business, but because they advance the vision of the site. You may have noticed that the userbase is at loggerheads with the staff in many ways. If they want us to contribute with an eye on improving the business case for the site, they can bloody well pay us for that. — Karl Knechtel 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eric Aya
ChatGPT is often wrong or inaccurate, but does it with confidence. ChatGPT is "Mansplaining as a service". — Eric Aya 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Another important tell is that AI-generated answers, with their near-perfect English grammar and academic style, are frequently getting posted by users who have just come back from a long break and who showed serious lack of English proficiency in previous answers. — Karl Knechtel 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Super-intelligentShade aside from the moderation/trolling issue, please don't deliberately add noise to answers that should be edited out. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@EKanadily if the poster paraphrases the text and reviews and fixes any code samples, "mission freakin' accomplished" - that is then effectively the user's own content, and we don't have a reason to care about the process behind it. That said, in practice we have already spotted tons of blatantly AI-generated content, and suspended many users for it. There is, perhaps not surprisingly, very little overlap between people who want to use ChatGPT to write Stack Overflow answers, and people who care about the quality of the content they post. — Karl Knechtel 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Questions that are properly clear and focused that can be readily answered en masse, for a mature technology like JavaScript, really ought to be duplicates already. — Karl Knechtel 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Why is this getting re-open votes... The Dupe target more than covers this. I also see it's been voted "leave closed" in a review already. — Cerbrus 24 secs ago
 
10:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@KevinB "quality concerns"?? "Measure of Success [...] Clickthrough rate" — philipxy 31 secs ago
 
10:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by questionto42
At the point in time when it shows you the "Your privacy" box with the three cookie buttons to choose from, I want to know whether it will use the full choice of cookies when I just log in instead of clicking one of those three cookie buttons. — questionto42 36 secs ago
 
 
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12:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@MisterMiyagi the question is "If ChatGPT gives me an answer, should I leave my question unanswered?". The example question that the OP gave doesn't matter. — Franck Dernoncourt 1 min ago
 
1:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pilchard
'Is the point then something about polishing a turd?' should be the title of most of SO's 'design' announcements — pilchard 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pilchard
This is now a list of new elements to add to my Brave filter to hide. It is convenient to have them listed in one place rather than having to hunt through the Meta junk to find announcements. Also perhaps change your 'success metric' to 'Ad Revenue' for transparencies sake. — pilchard 1 min ago
 
1:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@FranckDernoncourt I think it's an interesting question, but since the OP did give an example and referred to it multiple times – yeah, I think it does matter. I would hate to give an advice that amounts to "yes, you should answer the question using ban-satisfying-approach-X" but that is absolutely not what should happen for the example. Now if most such questions fall into the latter category, that would also affect the general advice, IMO. After all, that is why the ban exists: Because there was too much bad content to be outweight by the few pearls. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"didn't know much about the topic of the second question and its answer" -> skip. If you don't know, skip. 100% safe choice. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"I would be interested in integrating this project with Stack Overflow" - you're thinking backwards. What you are interested in is not relevant; the only thing that is relevant is if the owners and maintainers of the site are interested in it. They have their own roadmap. — Gimby 28 secs ago
 
2:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"paraphrasing/decorating it into an "original" answer (which will help train future AI systems)." that is already how to deal with potential plagiarism. And OP's concern is essentially that: "What if I found an answer - how can I post in on SO". 2. "help train future AI systems" is a complex topic. You would be producing a positive feedback loop in this way by feeding output back as input to train the model. Which can skew the results. This can be a problem even if the output is right by losing variance and alternatives. — VLAZ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"If I ask ChatGPT what is 2 + 2 and it replies 4, there's really not much for me to add to that" I still don't see how you're unable to express the answer in your own words. Or do you believe that any information that ChatGPT can generate should not be posted. Which seems rather uselessly dogmatic. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PhobosFerro
As Braiam commented, this seems to be (related to cookies)[meta.stackexchange.com/questions/89045/… unless it has been changed. — PhobosFerro 9 secs ago
 
2:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Connell
This is fixed now. Links should be individually detected in the same way they do in the rest of the flag text. Thanks for reporting! — Connell ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kristinalustig
Fix is shipped, should be live shortly. — kristinalustig ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by artu-hnrq
I liked it, @SamuelLiew! Is there a way I can use these features on my SO sites? — artu-hnrq 36 secs ago
 
3:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by scunliffe
Ah, based on these bullets, I think the cookie solution (only) is flawed. There needs to be an understanding/tracking for long term use. This is like reminding me every week that I should wear a seatbelt when I drive... ignoring that I've done this for 30 years now without fail. If I've upvoted questions in the past, I know how the site works, please don't show me the message... or give me a checkbox option for "Yeah, got it, don't remind me again" — scunliffe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
good luck with that, ;) — Kevin B 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by scunliffe
Ugh... if this won't be fixed, I guess I'll have to write a browser extension to auto-dismiss/remove this specific banner message when it appears. Will share a link to it here when done. — scunliffe 42 secs ago
 
3:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Super-intelligent Shade
@AKX and EKanadily did you guys miss the ;) emoji in my comment?... — Super-intelligent Shade 48 secs ago
 
4:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sambhav Khandelwal
No @HereticMonkey I couldnt find the answer!. I know the reason why Im losing reputation. I wanted to know why was it shwoing 6,8 and 10 at different places! And Thanks to Tom and AndrewT, i understood the reason! — Sambhav Khandelwal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Regardless if the second answer is a LQA or an acceptable answer, is besides the point. Had the author perform an in-depth analysis of both answers they would have passed both audits. With that said, the second answer, has 33 upvotes. Until the other day, after I downvoted it, actually has 0 downvotes. So there is no wonder a contribution with 33 upvotes and 0 downvotes became an audit. I see a lot of users acknowledging it perhaps is actually a LQA, but without downvotes, it will remain as an audit. — Security Hound 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@KarlKnechtel - I changed my analysis of the second answer, I actually downvoted it, due to your critical analysis of it. However, it will likely remain a contribution used for audits in future, unless it receives downvotes. If the question was caused by a typo it should be closed, it's age and the fact it has an answer with 33 upvotes, will prevent the removal of the question so there is no risk in knowledge being lost. — Security Hound 45 secs ago
 
4:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
you can't lose that which doesn't exist — Kevin B 41 secs ago
 
5:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@BlueRobin - It would appear that is by design, albeit poor design. The system assumed your location, device, or other identifying traits were indication of a bad actor and started you in the question ban process up front, bypassing any option to see a warning message, and leading to your untimely question ban. — Travis J 1 min ago
 
5:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"link to it in a comment on SO" Answers containing just a link would not be well received. I have no qualms flagging an answer as a ChatGPT generated answer if it contains even quoted content from a external source that is itself generated by ChatGPT. I appreciated you bringing that possibility to our attention. It's something that I wasn't considering when flagging and downvoting inaccurate ChatGPT generated trash content. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@SecurityHound why useless? — Franck Dernoncourt 1 min ago
 
6:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@FranckDernoncourt - ChatGPT generated trash or a comment that links to an external site with the failed attempt to answer the question instead of submitting an actual answer? — Security Hound 58 secs ago
 
7:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
@AaronBertrand we have a similar case on Photo.SE and some related sites in the network, details on the Moderators Team (not sure if you're a member, but you should be able to get access :P) I haven't done all necessary preparations yet, just checking if you could help. — Glorfindel 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Below the Radar
The best if not the only way to determine if an answer is coming from a chat bot like ChatGPT is to use another AI. Finally,there is no future for question/answer sites like this because chat bots will make them useless in a really near future. — Below the Radar 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@BelowtheRadar i mean... that's provably false, so, — Kevin B 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Below the Radar
@KevinB why? Dont you think chat bot wont be creative enough in a near future? — Below the Radar 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
What they become in the near future isn't relevant to being able to accurately detect them today. As new versions or even new AI platforms are released, our detection methods can grow with them. Currently we have no need for "AI" to detect AI generated answers. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
8:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Reputation 8. Looks like you're doing better than me with Reputation -30519. Keep it up! — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Should be duplicate of stackoverflow.co/company/work-here but we can only use questions as duplicate targets. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
9:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@SecurityHound a comment that links to an external site with the successful AI-generated answer the question. — Franck Dernoncourt 1 min ago
 
9:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@FranckDernoncourt - Comments that answer a question should be submitted as an answer, allowing for the original comment to be deleted, since comments shouldn't be consider to be permanent — Security Hound 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@SecurityHound If ChatGPT gives a good answer, should I post the answer by ChatGPT (with attribution to ChatGPT)? — Franck Dernoncourt 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@FranckDernoncourt - ChatGPT generated content is banned — Security Hound 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"I don't know the right canonical for it" - Why can't you just write one then start using it as a canonical yourself? The entire point of a canonical answer, is to make that answer, easier to find by creating linking it to multiple duplicates. The author's of the duplicate questions ultimately receive a question, and the community, gain multiple questions to a single answer. So if a good canonical does not exist, write a good answer to a question, then start using it. You can also link multiple duplicates to a single question if you have a gold badge. — Security Hound 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@SecurityHound that doesn't make the comment useless. — Franck Dernoncourt 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pilchard
In the questions I've seen there is generally a disconnect between the goal the OP was hoping to achieve and the question about why the code written by ChatGPT wasn't working. This too me falls well withing the XY Problem. — pilchard 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@SecurityHound the point of this question is to determine which canonicals are needed and plan that out - so that a) we can have questions that neatly cover the problem space without significant overlaps; b) we don't have multiple people trying to write the same canonical simultaneously. — Karl Knechtel 42 secs ago
 
9:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@VLAZ "express the answer in your own words" sounds like a waste of human time. — Franck Dernoncourt 1 min ago
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@FranckDernoncourt no one's forcing anyone to write an answer. If you don't wish to put in the time, don't do it. — Kevin B 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Excellent! Visibility is very important :D — Cerbrus 15 secs ago
 
10:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'll briefly call out that having a title that's "clickbait" shouldn't be a marker of it being "bad". A title can be both descriptive and clickbait-y, so it's better to use that as an advantage when building out a new canonical. — Makoto 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Makoto agreed; I didn't explain that part as well as I wanted to (need better vocabulary I guess). — Karl Knechtel 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Franck Dernoncourt
@KevinB Then you can add an answer saying yes to the OP's question "If ChatGPT gives me an answer, should I leave my question unanswered?" — Franck Dernoncourt 25 secs ago
 
11:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@KevinB I'm happy to put in the time to write a full answer with a clear explanation. I'd like to do so to help others that hit the same problem. Unfortunately the solution, along with the explanation, came from ChatGPT. — David Thielen 1 min ago
 

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