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12:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@PeterMortensen Yes, Community-deleted posts would primarily be posts deleted by Roomba and posts deleted when a moderator deletes/destroys an account. It would probably also include spam/abusive-flagged posts. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
My experience has been you really need to pick and choose your programming blogs. Some are little more than the writer working on earning a Dunning-Kruger merit badge for their Scout uniform. Directing folks to blogs of good quality is a worthwhile effort. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by General Grievance
@user And nearly 200% on escalations, wow. — General Grievance 1 min ago
 
12:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Damien Golding
This isn't a long-term solution. Please consider proper rules for what would be considered OK even if by AI, and then consider making it easy to automate checking. — Damien Golding 28 secs ago
 
1:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dexygen
I love how some asshole from meta down-voted the question and all the answers after I posted this. FUCK YOU — Dexygen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dexygen
WTF did my comment go? WTF was it deleted. What a bunch of fucking assholes meta is. — Dexygen just now
 
 
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4:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samathingamajig
"Bounties canceled: 135 (moderators) | 0 (community)" What does it mean to have a moderator cancel a bounty? I would think this would mean posts that get closed/deleted that have an active bounty, but that's got to be more than 135. Also, would the bounty placer get a refund of rep (I assume not) — Samathingamajig 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Samathingamajig It literally means that a moderator removed the bounty for a question, which refunds it to the person who set the bounty. This is commonly done when a question is off-topic or otherwise unsuitable for Stack Overflow, since the bounty being active prevents the question from being closed. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
 
5:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MKhomo
PS: I withdraw the offer to summarize. It would be hardly redeeming; and worse - I just noticed a Page 2 of answers further along at -43 which more than doubles my handicap. And it not fair to stress the tag team when there's worthier causes there to attend to closer to the black hole of approval nods. — MKhomo 1 min ago
 
5:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It would be possible to hint this for Python, too, although it would have a high false-negative rate (for code that starts with an assignment) and non-zero false positive rate. Just scan for lines that start with import, or which end with a colon while starting with (off the top of my head) any of if,def, while, for,try,class, with. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
 
6:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Slate
It's the second one - partners provide us with a course catalog, and (if consenting) we use your browsing history to determine which courses to serve. — Slate ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
When does this go live? Is the A/B test already running? If not, when does it start? Can you please update the post to specify explicitly? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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7:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
@CodyGray: are you saying this is not automatic? I would suspect, if a bountied question gets removed that the bounty gets refunded automatically. No need for moderator intervention for that. — Dominique 58 secs ago
 
8:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Dominique Yes, when a question with an active bounty is deleted, the bounty is also canceled and the reputation is refunded to the person who set the bounty. However, because bountied questions cannot be closed, it's unlikely that they're going to be deleted by anyone other than moderators. Mods remove plenty of bounties from questions manually in order to be able to close them as off-topic or otherwise unsuitable for Stack Overflow. — Cody Gray ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@gaborous The point of view of the other party is, frankly, irrelevant when discussing SO policy. — Cerbrus 19 secs ago
 
8:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@user opinions are such fickle beasts :) Regardless of which one is the least bad, they're all "not good". — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
CV queue at -54% this year is noteworthy. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@user4581301 No so sure about B) at this point, the fact that it is easy (and cheap) makes it more like that minigun scene from Predator where they wreck half the rain forest. If you've got the bullets, might as well shoot and hope to hit something. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
10:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arne
this mentality is exactly why I am no longer active on Stack overflow. It is just too hostile towards people who are eager to learn. — Arne 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@Ame: "It is just too hostile towards people who are eager to learn." - Stack Overflow is "hostile" to questions which are not suited for Stack Overflow format. The thing is that not suited questions cannot be answered reliably here, and we don't want to give illusion to the asker (and future visitors) about quality of such answers. — Tsyvarev 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arne
As the author of that question I have to say it is unfortunate to see that it seems more important to the SO community to hunt down and close old questions based opinions and rules, rather than trying to actually help anybody. — Arne 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
@Arne perhaps people could also be a little more eager to learn How to Ask good questions on Stack Overflow as well... — user 1 min ago
 
 
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11:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
We're not satisfied with the quality answers that many users post using this tool. Since they simply copy/paste the question, then copy/paste the answer. And we know they've not validated the answers, since they don't work, or target something completely different. Like adding code in the wrong language. Since this was a massive and widespread issue, it has proven users can't really be trusted with reposting answers from ChatGPT. Moreover, it's not really clear why you should do that and not let OP use ChatGPT. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1937198
And if you can properly validate an answer, and edit into an answer that conveys the content beyond that, writing an answer from scratch shouldn't be much of a burden beyond that. — user1937198 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Makyen thanks for the clarification about flagging vs closing same-user dupes. I would have been quite puzzled otherwise. — Karl Knechtel 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"It doesnt matter because CHATGPT will soon replace stackoverflow." it should. If you're using SO as a debugging platform - then don't. We should be getting less useless questions - the type that ChatGPT excels at solving. What we need is a higher proportion of useful questions. And dropping the number of the useless ones (thus going down from the nearly 5k questions asked daily) only seems like a good thing. — VLAZ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bonsvr
Define useless. What is useless to you is most probably useful for somebody else. — bonsvr 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Useless: asking exceptionally localised debugging problems. Asking for things solved literally a decade ago. In general, things that don't benefit future visitors but mostly benefit the question asker. — VLAZ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bonsvr
Then I will keep asking exceptionally localised debugging problems to CHATGPT and ask my general questions here to stackoverflow, if they don’t get deleted for being too general of course. — bonsvr 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Comments are ephemeral on Stack Overflow. The remaining one, linking here, will presumably be removed soon, even if I don't delete it myself. The others were yours complaining about the duplicate closure, others discussing the closure at the time (i.e., all "finished business"), and my initial attempt to explain to you why I thought the question should have remained closed (self-deleted after posting here). The other removed questions were removed because I flagged them as "no longer needed", and whichever moderator was on duty agreed (they almost always do for NLN flags). — Karl Knechtel 35 secs ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
Close votes are visible from from 3k+, I suspect not being able to see voters on your post might be a bug relating to you not reviewing an item in the close votes queue before @ThomasH however, that doesn't explain the issue that Zoe had with her post as she has definitely reviewed in that queue before — WhatsThePoint 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I'm not sure the 75% from this year can be compared to the 60% from last year, as the options were much more fine-grained this year. I remember not selecting "Other online resources (videos, blogs, etc)" because I absolutely hate video tutorials for tech. — Cerbrus 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Hi Michael36, welcome to the Stack Overflow Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@Makoto "the company does neither" - agree, but that's irrelevant. This site is what it is because of the users, and users definitely do revisit history, if only to point at it when the company does the next short-sighted thing. As long as there is still any sort of discussion with SE employees, referencing older posts and pointing to previous consensus has value. Even if SE disappears, lots of meta posts can have value for the next community that rises from its ashes. — l4mpi 1 min ago
 
12:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@Makoto and re tickets - bad analogy. I've worked on many legacy enterprise projects for the last 10+ years, and it's a regular occurrence that I find hints about tricky issues (unspecified behaviour in edge cases, slippery intermittent bugs etc) in comments to 5+ year old jira tickets. There's reasons why all companies I know keep these tickets around. The only instances where tickets are deleted are for projects that are long out of development, with no existing support contracts or installations remaining - then the whole jira project might get deleted after a few years. — l4mpi 37 secs ago
 
1:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the idiot downvoter
" It was in the same vein as people asking for explanation when their answer is down-voted." You should not be doing that either.E_net4 the idiot downvoter 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the idiot downvoter
@SergeyUshakov Posts are already open to feedback by default. People are already free to provide feedback about the post at hand, but 1) you should not make it about the downvotes; 2) you should not pressure or shame people into providing feedback if they don't want to. As such, "why the downvote" is never worth asking. — E_net4 the idiot downvoter 1 min ago
 
2:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sergey Ushakov
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter My question was never about anything like pressure. Pressure should be discouraged anyway, this is true. My question/opinion is different. It is about free and friendly exchange of opinions for everyone's benefit. Why should such exchange of opinions be discouraged? Why should requests for opinions be discouraged? — Sergey Ushakov 59 secs ago
 
2:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
 
3:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Larnu has the correct reason, but IMO this definitely should have been a "accept and improve" rather than a "reject and edit". — Karl Knechtel 58 secs ago
 
3:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zack
I don't understand the motivation of posting ChatGPT answers to a question. If I wanted I can go use GPT myself for answers but I'm here for a 'real' answer. People are that desperate to get SO upvote points in their life that they spam answers? — Zack 1 min ago
 
3:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"What am I missing?" - nothing, just the fact that you're dealing with human beings. I'm sure there are people out there who hit reject and edit on anything that is more than a missed typo. There is really no standard for how strict people are. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Note: better save some time and go directly for "Will quote-only answers be well-received?". It'd be a shame if someone tells you "yes that is allowed", you proceed to do it and then see downvotes trickling in. There remains a difference between what is allowed and what is liked. — Gimby 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Zack yes. In fact, they've been doing it before with copy/pasting other content. But plagiarism is easier to detect. Also, takes more time to search and find something to copy/paste. ChatGPT just makes the whole turnaround time much smaller. You can from opening a question to posting an answer in well under a minute. — VLAZ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Are you question-banned on main? You have five visible questions there. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
I sometimes use "Reject and Edit" in a similar way when someone suggests an otherwise good edit but that adds code formatting to random keywords. But when I do, I usually ping the user in a comment explaining that code formatting is reserved for code, to make it absolutely clear why I rejected their edit and what they should be doing differently. In this particular case I would have chosen "Improve" though, but I guess everyone has different things they find particularly annoying. — Donald Duck 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
Also about the code formatting in this particular case, I don't think they should have removed the code formatting from ?:. While I find it very annoying when code formatting is used on something that isn't code, ?: is code so it's perfectly OK to format it as such. — Donald Duck 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ant
Hi Peter. Sorry still feeling a bit new to this. Have I posted this in the wrong place? Don't know why or if I would be banned at all — Ant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Truth, that. I'm too impatient to watch the video looking for the bit of information I need. I can do an eyeball scan for keywords almost as fast as I can press pgdn. not so easy to do with a video. — user4581301 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the idiot downvoter
@SergeyUshakov Maybe you should be reminded that this is not a discussion board, but a Q&A site. Ask questions, get answers, no distractions, so extended exchanges are correctly discouraged. Requests for discussion are noisy and not useful to future visitors. Even in practice, time and time again we see people getting insulted or harassed for showing up in a post from an unreasonable user (or otherwise just wasting their time as the post is not improved anyway), so your suggestion to let people request for feedback is also an invitation to laying abuse traps. — E_net4 the idiot downvoter 1 min ago
 
 
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5:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I'd assume it was DMCA'd, or otherwise nuked for legal reasons. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Considering it didn't exist in 2011 either, perhaps it never did, and it was a invalid link the whole time. — Larnu 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The discussion around it being deleted happened in 2010, so it not existing in 2011... doesn't necessarily mean it never did, just that it's been gone that long, ;) — Kevin B 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
As indicated in the MSE question (linked in the same comment you reference) it is "now merged into this question." Since there's no visible merge history on the current question. I assume that "merging" in 2010 actually modified/removed things from the database rather than the current system which has tracked history (citation needed for that though) — Henry Ecker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Merging at that point was a hard delete as @HenryEcker says. See Question was HARD deleted?Abdul Aziz Barkat 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arne
@Tsyvarev exactly. And I don't think that the "Stack Overflow format" is in any way helpful for me to get my questions answered. I've seen way too many really interesting and insightful questions get closed because of the Stack Overflow format. The questions were really interesting, but sadly they didn't fit the format and the format is more important than value to the author or people who contribute to the question. — Arne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arne
@user nah, I rather ask my questions elsewhere, where I there isn't a crowd of format junkies, who are super excited to bash on everything that doesn't fit their definition of a good question. — Arne 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The format isn't mean to be a help desk, even though the way it is designed makes it look and work like one. Useful questions thrive, not useful questions don't. A 3rd category of questions exist that don't fit the format but receive upvotes anyway, these generally need to be handled manually by users with the reputation to do so to avoid people getting the misconception that this type of question is allowed/wanted here. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Reopen took an even bigger dive — Kevin B 52 secs ago
 
6:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
It would be interesting to see these numbers in the context of total Questions asked and answers posted. — jmarkmurphy 51 secs ago
 
6:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trejder
Thank you! I'd say that your comments, put all together, would formulate a perfect answer to this question. Assuming that it is worth answering such questions. Since asking about one single 13-years old question, such answer would hardly benefit the community. — trejder 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
too bad we can't dupe close it because the MSE/MSO split left the target on the wrong site — Kevin B 10 secs ago
 
7:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arne
@KevinB useful questions get upvotes, thrive, and then get closed for not complying the format. The problem is, the format doesn't help at all to get good answers, complying the format only helps to keep the format warriors and questions closers at bay. A fight that doesn't need to be fought anywhere else. — Arne 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lutaaya Huzaifah Idris
SO, is really great, but to me I think, this temporary ban is a chance to chase away most devs to ChatGPT. TBH it really replaces all what StackOverflow used to do. SO just needs to revise it's business model. — Lutaaya Huzaifah Idris 1 min ago
 
7:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by A-Tech
A custom reject reason would be quite helpful indeed. — A-Tech 1 min ago
 
8:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
i mean... it's not much of a fight. The guidelines here are pretty easy use to determine whether not a post follows them. Nothing is forcing users to post questions here that aren't a fit for this network. It's certainly unfortunate that there is no free help desk site out there just for answering any question one might have. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
8:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
2177 upvoted this question so they must've thought it was focused: stackoverflow.com/questions/16647069/…Lukewarm 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
2051 upvoted this question so they must've thought it was focused: stackoverflow.com/questions/35062852/…Lukewarm 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
what's funny is even the "author of docker" got it wrong — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
1832 upvoted this question related to programming: stackoverflow.com/questions/10175812/…Lukewarm 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Are you trying to make some kind of point, that these closures are wrong? What you cant see are the millions of closed questions that are deleted. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
they arent just wrong they are "completely missing the dart board" wrong — Lukewarm 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Earn the ability to cast a reopen vote and cast one. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
im not even looking that hard for examples, theyre everywhere — Lukewarm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
though, i'd suggest at minimum reading the tour. Most, if not all, of the closed questions you've linked to fall into the "don't ask about..." list. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
what im trying to say is that the system is rigged so that questions dont get answered, instead i have to deal with rude comments and robotic responses from real people — Lukewarm 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
that's simply not true. there's been 4,843 answers posted today alone with just a few hundred more questions. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
of those 4,843 answers posted today, how many of them aren't rude comments or passive-aggressive responses — Lukewarm 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
All of them. comments weren't part of that search. — Kevin B 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
Does this answer your question? How can I log out from Stack Overflow?toolic 45 secs ago
 
9:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
well lemme rephrase, of those 4,843 answers posted today, how many of them aren't including rude comments or passive-aggressive responses — Lukewarm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Rude/passive-aggressive comments should be flagged, they are not allowed here. — Kevin B 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
that doesnt answer my question — Lukewarm 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Your question is unanswerable given the amount of effort i'm willing to put into doing your research. — Kevin B 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lukewarm
no, you just dont feel like answering it — Lukewarm 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If i had to guess, maybe a few hundred? I'm happy to throw meaningless numbers around. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cameron Critchlow
user:me is the solution I've been hunting — Cameron Critchlow 26 secs ago
 
10:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Escalations to the Community Manager team 1,617 0 and here I always thought it was the community's job to escalate things and the moderator's job to de-escalate... — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
You can run and you can hide, but they will find you. No one escapes Stackoverflow. NO ONE! — user4581301 21 secs ago
 
11:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sojim2
@ShadowWizardChasingStars I don't think we can honestly say AI will never be as good as human. The only truth to that is that it can be better than human eventually. In fact, there may be a point where stackoverflow isn't needed because AI will take care of all the coding. — sojim2 35 secs ago
 
11:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ATL_DEV
Do users lose points, badges, etc. retroactively as a result of a SO deprecated SO product? I understand this particular site doesn't award points, but I ask in general. — ATL_DEV 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Slate
Truthfully, I think that's a rare enough situation where we'd want to handle it on a case-by-case basis. Something tickles my memory that this has come up before, but I think only once, if that. But I suspect we'd want to preserve it wherever possible, because rep is a core way we acknowledge long-term contribution. — Slate ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by genpfault
 

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