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1:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
 
 
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2:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mud
@Gimby Stackoverflow is hard to understand? o.O That's news to me. This is simply an acknowledgement that the copy/delete/add/paste/submit cycle used to replace the last comment is something that people routinely do. You've probably done it yourself. It's stupid, and could be better. The idea that an audience of programmers is going to get confused by the last comment remaining editable is a bizarre and IMO unsupportable objection. — Mud 1 min ago
 
 
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4:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I am not sure how that is decisive for whether a question should be answered. One has to know the answer to identify a typo, but that does not mean one has to post the answer - especially not formally as an Stack Overflow answer. Notice that it says resolved, not answered. — MisterMiyagi 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This feels a bit like saying "you have to answer a duplicate to know that another question's answer match your answer", which really isn't necessary. In the process of resolving a question, one should have a rough idea of the gist of the answer before writing it down in appropriate form and at the very least before publishing the answer. Yes, we might end up with having an answer before realizing the problem - most prominently on chameleon questions - but generalizing this seems unnecessary. — MisterMiyagi 32 secs ago
 
5:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
To some degree, if you don't (or might not) have a working OpenCV / CUDA setup, that's something you should first test with a known-good example program. If it doesn't work, that's maybe something you can ask about one Stack Overflow, but getting drivers working tends to be better asked on superuser or askubuntu, if googling doesn't resolve it. If examples work in general but your code calls some API that claims to need a new driver version, that sounds more like a programming question. (With answers about setting up cutting-edge drivers sneaking in under that banner.) — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
 
5:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@skomisa If the code in question has a typo and no other obvious reason for any issue then VTC is correct. OP is more than welcome to edit the post into better shape, i.e. fix typos, and if they can still reproduce the issue vote to reopen the question with corrected code and any new details. This is how the question gets to the "...even when it is reproducible and does not contain a typo!" part of your comment. — Drew Reese 34 secs ago
 
6:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Gimby This is like saying that we should leave all rude comments, instead of deleting them, so you know which users are likely to be rude and thus to be avoided. While that certainly makes some sense, it's not how Stack Overflow is moderated. In fact, that would be what you would do on a site that is not moderated in any way, but Stack Overflow is moderated, so we don't do that. We clean up the mess. If the user keeps making a mess, then that should be flagged and brought to moderators' attention so that we can take more targeted/drastic action beyond deletion of individual comments. — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
As for why we delete comments about downvotes... not only are they noise (which is enough reason for them to be deleted on sight), but they actively do harm. Specifically, when users see them repeatedly, they begin to think that such types of interactions are acceptable. They are not. We have no way for you to find out why a question was downvoted, aside from reading the tooltip on the downvote arrow and reading any comments that users chose to leave (which don't necessarily correspond to downvotes). If you want more feedback on a specific post, you can ask on Meta. Don't ask about votes. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and is not really appropriate for the main site either. — greg-449 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
This is plagiarised verbatim from a textbook: books.google.co.uk/…kaya3 1 min ago
 
7:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@WoJ I agree completely that people should not downvote something that was not useful to themselves if they judge that it would likely be useful to others. That said, even if we're talking about what Q&As are useful to novices, experts and novices are quite likely to have different judgements about that, too. — kaya3 1 min ago
 
8:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Holt
Now it's Aug '22 and some of us are still waiting because DarkReader, which can be configured to work only for meta so, is not much better than no DarkReader at all. — Jeff Holt 18 secs ago
 
 
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9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gre_gor
We close questions so they don't get answers. A close reason being applicable only after getting an answer, is an oxymoron. — gre_gor 1 min ago
 
9:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dan1st
java-platform-module-system already exist. Do you want a synonym? — dan1st 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
Good old SO when sh** questions like this were upvoted.. — Kos 1 min ago
 
 
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10:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
As in one of the duplicate targets, also observed / perceived nearly six years ago, in 2016. — Peter Mortensen 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I am really struggling to understand what your second comment has to do with anything that was discussed here, @CodeCaster. Yes, certain types of discussions are shut down on Meta, including by mods (often me!). In particular, that includes Qs which are little more than unconstructive rants (which fall into the category of "things I do not like"). However, this is not one of those, and it wasn't shut down or otherwise closed. I also regularly vote to close discussions on Meta that are dupes, because I don't like saying/hearing the same thing over and over. But that's not anti-participatory. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
'groupthink and the over-decent dose of passive aggressiveness' - yi — Martin James 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Oh - and stop clicking on stuff! — Martin James 26 secs ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by platipus_on_fire
@MartinJames I appreciate your valuable contribution to this experiment. Anything else to add? — platipus_on_fire 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by A-Tech
@PeterCordes Thanks, if you could be so kind to approve the expert as well. — A-Tech 41 secs ago
 
11:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Yes, and I had to endure 'welcomegate', where some demographics 'felt' that they were disciminated against, (despite the obvious issue that users' identities/groups/whatever cannot be determined), without any substantial evidence, and so everyone was expected to self-censor. I have now reached the point that when any user claims of 'groupthink', 'hostility' etc, it means 'my argument has failed so I have to resort to unfounded allegations to get more traction'. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by platipus_on_fire
Oh, @MartinJames: I noticed you mention 'racist' in your comment: considering most devs (read: your colleagues and people you work with) in UK are non-English, you probably know a thing or two about it, don't you 'Martin James'? Also, you appear to be well-seasoned in elitism, given how you make fun in your bio of people (un)fortunate enough to work as Parking Enforcement Officers.You probably want me to stop now.. and I will. Not worth the effort. — platipus_on_fire 13 secs ago
 
12:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
I'm only referring to what the official instructions says. I have niether written them or argued for them. — klutt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
 
12:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Cody that comment does not apply to this question in particular. I have posted multiple questions and answers on Meta about my stance on (moderator) close vote behavior on Main and Meta, and about the close vote club activity on Meta. There are people who are nipping discussions in the bud a bit too aggressively, both by close-voting and pile-on-downvoting, because they're on Meta all day and have seen it all before and are bored out on Main. — CodeCaster 25 secs ago
 
1:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
If it's deleted in minutes, it's largely done by OP themselves, or the post is proper spam and is rightfully deleted — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
So, was the question any good then? Do you have an example? A link from your browser history will do. — rene 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Is there a particular exemple you have here? Unless a question is truly terrible I find it very rare that a question is deleted quickly by the community. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kusocodeing
@PeterCordes According to on-topic, the question covers whether software tools commonly used by programmers should be on-topic. It doesn't bound to the coding problem like syntax or the calling of function as it does mention "generally covers". I believe a general question like the setting of environment or the building of a development tool should be on-topic isn't it? Besides, I do agree it can be an AU question but I am questioning if is it a question for StackOverflow as well, because it is generally related to a common development tool. — kusocodeing 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barry Carter
Do you mean deleted or closed? I've seen questions get closed very quickly, but not really deleted — Barry Carter 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nithur
I am in this stage now. Thank you, OP for writing about this. SO community should definitely change its attitude toward helping newbies. Of course, people are helpful here, but the way this community treats those who don't even get the right terminology must change. We come here because we couldn't find the answer elsewhere, we are already in despair and then downvoted here. People should at least try to point at the right decision if not the answer. — Nithur 1 min ago
 
2:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@BarryCarter considering the question states "cannot edit the question or write meaningful comments", most likely deletion. Closure does not prevent edits or comments. Deletion in minutes does happen, but like I wrote in my first comment here, it's either done by OP, or it's an exceptionally awful post that typically gets valid spam or R/A Flags. User deletion in minutes does happen as well, but that's rare and overwhelmingly done to awful and highly problematic posts, but that don't meet R/A/spam flag criteria — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 18 secs ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nimantha
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
As a note, if you do mean closed, not deleted, this is actually intended (that they are closed quickly). If a question is unclear, and low quality, we don't want answers posted as those answers are likely to be unclear, low quality, or making several assumptions on the problem that could easily make it not useful to future users. Closing the question quickly means that the OP needs to take the time to improve the question and get it reopened so better quality answers can also be given. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Generally, quick deletion, other than by the OP, should only happen in circumstances where the question has no possibility of being edited, even by the OP, into being on-topic (without completely changing the question) or where there's a valid moderation reason for deleting the post. There are many possible reasons why a post might be quickly deleted, but doing so should only very rarely be something which users feel is a pattern, particularly when the question feels like it's close to being on-topic. Unfortunately, without examples, we can't say why the ones you've seen have been deleted. — Makyen ♦ 53 secs ago
 
3:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by beaker
It's possible that adding the winapi tag would help your question reach people with the proper background to answer it. But your question may have already been answered here. — beaker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Wooten
I deleted these questions because after reading the reviewers comments, I realized that they were bad questions. Is learning being punished? I wanted to remove bad questions and only post meaningful ones. — John Wooten 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
There are plenty of things one may learn on Stack Overflow, but the fact remains that this site isn't a place for tutoring help - it's meant to be a repository of useful questions and their answers that will be helpful for future readers. Best that someone keeps that in mind before posting a question. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fake girlfriends
Was fully expecting to see mention of privilege and slavery as a reason to burninate. — fake girlfriends 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
If you can access the Stack Overflow chat (you can) and your question is old enough (it is) you can also ask for help in the Python chat room. See the room rules first, though. FWIW, I think this is less of a Python and more of a Windows issue, so your milage may vary when approaching this as the former and not the latter. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Well, I checked all deleted 30 questions (I doubt that missing 31st will change this outcome) but none of them seem salvageable. Most deleted questions are asked as if you assume Stack Overflow is a forum. It is not. We can't design systems for you or make architectural decisions, or help setting up software on your machine. It is a same that you made that same mistake several times, leading to closed, downvoted and now deleted questions. It is up to you to go over these 31 again and see if you can undelete a few to salvage those with an edit. contd.... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Together with any new questions you ask in 6 months time that might be enough to get you out of the ban. — rene 1 min ago
 
4:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
And, for the record, you're probably not going to get an answer. Accessing the alternative desktop screensavers run in is non-trivial, depends on the version of windows, and just generally a bad idea. I'm not even sure it's possible without elevation. — Anon Coward 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
@DrewReese But the entire point of my comment was that for the question I linked to there was no typo, and the problem was reproducible, yet a mod force closed the question for that (bogus) reason. It's no wonder new posters don't feel welcome on SO when they receive that treatment. — skomisa 5 secs ago
 
4:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Even of your undeleted questions, only small amount have a score > 0; of the deleted questions can't be salvaged, then you have plenty of undeleted ones you could try to salvage instead. — Larnu 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You could write a SEDE query but users are not forced to have entered the company they work for in their profile or anything else that's much use to search on. — Robert Longson 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
There are specific questions relating to SQL Server's master system database, these should probably be moved to a new tag like master-dbCharlieface 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Give up? No. Anybody can work in the Pandas sweatshop and get sweet sweet reputation points. And some will not go hungry to bed, because they couldn't afford to pay for homework and failed to graduate and get a job. — Peter Mortensen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Give up? No! Anybody can work in the Pandas sweatshop and get sweet sweet reputation points. And as a result some will not go hungry to bed, because they couldn't afford to pay for homework and failed to graduate and get a job. — Peter Mortensen 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mortpiedra
@Anon Coward: could you pls comment briefly on why it is 'generally a bad idea' and what is 'elevation'? Thank you. — mortpiedra 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
All SQL Server questions I can see have been migrated to master-db now. MySQL Replication looks like it needs dealing with also — Charlieface 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
Without knowing it, you're asking how to cross the security boundary into the session the screensaver runs in. Crossing security boundaries can lead to security issues .. the barriers are sometimes there for a reason, after all. Elevation here means UAC elevation, allowing your script to run with administrator privileges. — Anon Coward 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
I'm not sure if "domain" from the OP's perspective might still mean programming. In other words, OP might be asking: What to do about posts where the poster lacks the right programming domain knowledge? Eg a poster asking about classes that can use each other's code, but not realizing they are describing inheritance or polymorpism. — Charlieface 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"I deleted these questions because after reading the reviewers comments, I realized that they were bad questions. Is learning being punished?" - to be perfectly blunt, I'd say it's a lack of learning (of SO's on-topic guidelines and/or question standards) that's being punished here. You read the comments on your questions, understood that they weren't suitable for SO, and deleted them, but then kept asking questions with the exact same flaws?F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You could always reach out to your colleagues to see if they do contribute to the site; I am sure (or I would hope at least) that, if they do, they would be happy to provide you with a link to their profile. — Larnu 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The upcoming Staging Ground may prevent it. — Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What kind of questions? It is Sunday... — Peter Mortensen 36 secs ago
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Yeah, I was purposely avoiding saying that your question was off-topic for that reason on SO in my previous comment, since it is arguably justified that way. More like suggesting that a much better [mcve] would have been a known-good example. And at that point it would be better to ask on a site where questions about driver setup are normal, so people can find a duplicate for you, or use it as a duplicate target. (That doesn't mean you can't have asked it on SO, and arguing that your code isn't a good MCVE is a bit convoluted.) — Peter Cordes 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Are there other driver-setup questions asked & answered on SO? If not, that's a sign that maybe it wasn't the best place to ask. — Peter Cordes 17 secs ago
 
6:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@skomisa I see. I think I sort of agree with the Mod on that one. It's not an interesting question in the longterm since the answer is basically, "don't allocate more memory than you have resources for" or "get more physical resources so you stop running out of it". It's not reproducible in the sense that we don't have the OP's physical device to know the resource limitations. — Drew Reese 1 min ago
 
6:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andam
@ZoestandswithUkraine thank you for the comment but is there a way for me to ask for my question to be unflagged for duplicate as I clearly state delete not closing and my question flagged for a post that is for closing. For your comment, I cant be sure who deleted it but it first got flagged for duplication incorrectly just like mine and then when I finished editing I could not save it. It was saying question got deleted. — Andam 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andam
@rene the question needed editing and I was trying to edit it then it got deleted. Also the user did not put his current code in it but I did not even get chance to ask him to do so or to give him link to question guideline. Unfortunately I use incognito, I dont have the link. That being said I have experienced this happing multiple times before, this is why I posted this here. — Andam 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andam
@BarryCarter deleted — Andam 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andam
@Larnu it was deleted. I get why question get closed quickly as well but at least when its closed we can write comments to help the user write better question next time. Just like my case now. My question here is closed but I can still read your comment and write mine. — Andam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Then, like mentioned, some examples would be good; then we can see if it was the community that deleted them or the OP. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andam
@PeterMortensen that could be a passivate change for new users especially. Lets see how this effect the community. — Andam 29 secs ago
 
7:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
Why can't that simply be posted as an answer though? There are plenty of questions about Fibonacci series on SO, and I there was every reason to believe that the OOP had no idea what the problem was at all. The notion that questions are fair game for closure because we casn — skomisa 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Gimby Sometimes it can be hard to do the necessary research when you don't have the right terminology. It's an "unknown unknowns" problem. — PM 2Ring 37 secs ago
 
7:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@KevinKrumwiede You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. — Ian Kemp 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Kaiido We aren't mind-readers. We can only go with what's presented by the asker. And if that isn't enough to make a good answerable question, it should be closed. Fin. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
In your real example where a user repeatedly edits the question, don't indulge their idiocy. Mod-flag and explain what's going on so that the question can be locked or closed. — Ian Kemp 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
Finally, someone who actually understands how this site is intended to work. Apparently even the moderators don't remember nowadays. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
@IanKemp This site needs a laugh emoji. — Kevin Krumwiede just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kusocodeing
@PeterCordes If you search opencv cuda build on SO there is quite a lot — kusocodeing 1 min ago
 
8:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
This is exactly why such questions should be kept. A user who doesn't know the technical jargon to frame their question is probably going to try to explain it in the same words that others in their situation will use to search for the answer in the future. — Kevin Krumwiede 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Draper
"It, in and of itself, is only a company" Someone let amazon know. — Paul Draper 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kusocodeing
@PeterCordes BTW, I want to mention CUDA is not a driver, it is an official development library to call the function to compute on Nvidia GPU. The error I meet as shown in the question is the version of the CUDA used to build the OpenCV does not match with the Nvidia driver version. I believe someone who has the experience to compile the OpenCV with CUDA should know what I want to ask (i.e, the CUDA version looks matched with the version on GPU driver). So I believe what I am asking is an environment setting-up problem a common-used development tool but not a driver setting-up problem. — kusocodeing 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Draper
"what do you mean by 'empathetically help'" @MisterMiyagi Empathy is emotional understanding of the experience of someone else in their frame of reference. It's especially helpful when communicating with someone on a different level. E.g. giving a different answer to a young child vs a PhD candidate in that field, because you understand the perspective of the other person. — Paul Draper 46 secs ago
 
8:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anders Brand&#233;n
Thanks, much obliged. It's after all better to know you can't do it than searching in vain for how to. Also a special thanks for removing my request for advise: it became moot, of course. 👍 — Anders Brandén 1 min ago
 
9:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
There are many factors that impact how many people see your post, that are out of your control. Please focus on writing the best quality question you can. That's how the site is supposed to work: you help build it by making a good question that belongs on the site, and we do our part to build the site by giving an answer (which only incidentally helps you as the asker). I know that description sounds cruel, but. — Karl Knechtel 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
This burnination has nothing to do with the politics behind the rename. Regardless of preference surrounding branch names, it's an ambiguous tag — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I went to look into this and found that master-slave's description claims "A metaphor that may be offensive and is currently being deprecated. Prefer source-replica or main-copy when possible." - but there aren't source-replica or main-copy tags. — Karl Knechtel 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@KarlKnechtel That's a discussion for another meta post. Fair warning though, the opinions surrounding the master term are highly polarized, and comes with all the fun that entails — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"There's a reason git and github's default branch names where changed to "main" for new repositories" GitHub switched because they more or less spontaneously decided to take seriously an argument that could have been made identically for decades, if not centuries, that everyone thought was spurious until a few years ago. The cynical interpretation is that they thought this was good PR. I see no good reason to replicate (heh) that decision. The Git software itself still uses the name master AFAICT. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
On that note, while we do have a main as well, it has nothing to do with the branch name. I'll argue it should be renamed to main-function to avoid that ambiguity, but that's a discussion for another time, and a tag for every naming convention of git/VCS branches is not what the tagging system is for. Doesn't matter which is preferred of master or main (or trunk or whatever), none of the naming conventions should have tags because it's a pointless tag. What other software does is fully and wholly irrelevant in that picture — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Oh, I'm fully aware. I was just amused by the seeming internal contradiction. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
 
9:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
My experience has been that asking good questions is a specialized skill. Novices lack the insight (almost by definition) to ask the question clearly and coherently; experts are distant enough that they might not ask a question that accurately reflects the cause of confusion. More importantly, though, experts have a hard time getting themselves to put in the effort, in the first place, to ask an "easy" question for which they already know the answer. (Not to mention, domain knowledge != communication skill.) I guess it feels self-denigrating or something? That seems relatable. — Karl Knechtel 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
PSA: this burnination has absolutely nothing to do with GitHub et.al's decision to deprecate master as a branch name. The tag, as used on Stack Overflow, and as outlined in both the question and Lundin's answer, is ambiguous regardless of the politics surrounding the name. That's the focus of a burn, not politics and shifts in naming standards. If you have a reason why it isn't ambiguous (nothing to do with the politics around the rename; that's not why we're here. That's an applicable topic for renaming tags, not for burning them), post an answer — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
See also the criteria for burnination, which lay the foundation for tag removal — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 28 secs ago
 
10:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I have encountered numerous cases where the same question keeps getting re-asked in different ways, and none of them are a sensible way (from the technical jargon perspective). If we notice people "using the same words" to describe the same problem, we should accommodate that for the sake of searchability, even if those words aren't the best choice. However, if everyone who has the problem is flailing around desperately to describe it, then by all means just point them at a canonical - prepare one yourself if you have to. That's better than stretching to call a common misconception a "typo". — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
We got rid of LMU as a close reason, in my understanding, because Stack Overflow is supposed to be about the questions rather than the askers. The problem isn't that the asker is LMU; the problem is that the L of MU makes the question unclear (because it doesn't lead to a sensible specification for the behaviour of the code). If the problem is just "you didn't read the documentation", well - even then, there might be something to be gained from having experts on SO rephrase and contextualize. — Karl Knechtel 22 secs ago
 
10:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
@ZoestandswithUkraine: On the other hand, swapping out slave for something more fitting is universally supported. — Joshua 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Karl Fair points, but I'm talking about OPs who have read the docs, and understand what they're trying to accomplish, but they're trying to "re-invent the wheel". If we tell them the name of the wheel then they can do further research. That may lead them to solving the problem themself, or if they still can't figure it out they can modify the question (or ask a fresh one) about a specific difficulty they have implementing the algorithm. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"asks about the behavior of if statements, gets an answer, then changes the question" If the original question was asked, answered and has value, it's time to move on. (Although it's hard for me to imagine that someone with this task could have a real question about "the behavior of if statements" that isn't a duplicate.) Above all else, Stack Overflow is not a discussion forum. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Fair. This is an extremely common problem - there are two fundamentally different ways to approach the question: "How do I do <thing that this code is supposed to be doing>?" and "What is wrong with this code?" These are basically always two different questions and I have come to the conclusion that we need to determine which one OP wants, first and then proceed accordingly. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
If the question is new and understandable but uses wrong terminology, I think it is better to edit in proper terminology (rather, edit so that the terminology is used properly) - as long as this doesn't obfuscate the question (i.e. by making it less obvious why OP would be confused). — Karl Knechtel 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Karl Why not both? ;) I like to say "your code doesn't do what you expect because of XYZ" and show how to fix that. But if there's a better approach (more readable &/or more efficient) I like to show that too. That helps the OP and it's likely to help more future readers than an answer that just fixes the broken code, or just shows the better solution. — PM 2Ring 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gaut
that would be nice — gaut 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@Joshua that sounds an awful lot like a rename reason, not a burnination reason. Ran out of characters initially, but renaming tags can take shifts in public opinion into play. Burninations do not. Some renames may bring a disambiguation with it, but still a different system from outright removing a tag. But yeah, that still doesn't make master or main good tags, and any such renames are a separate discussion entirely — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@KevinKrumwiede: "A user who doesn't know the technical jargon to frame their question is probably going to try to explain it in the same words that others in their situation will use to search for the answer in the future." Citation needed. I've seen numerous cases of people misunderstanding the same thing where they describe it in different wrong ways. — Nicol Bolas 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
@AndrewT. you write "...that page is universal, the same on all SE sites..." . Are you sure? The bit about a question being "...not about programming as defined in the help center..." would seem quite site-specific to me. I don't see any reason why one more site-specific sentence couldn't be added. — Dawood ibn Kareem 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Because we want focused questions, and search results that correspond to expectations. If the title is "how do I x?" and the OP indeed is primarily interested in getting x done, then the broken attempt at x-ing is often a net negative to the question. If the title is "why doesn't this work?" and the OP clearly wants debugging help, then the fact that it's part of an attempt at x-ing often makes the MRE insufficiently M. It needs to be retitled in a way that categorizes the non-working "this", to have any hope of being searchable. — Karl Knechtel just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Further, either or both of those questions might be a common duplicate. If they aren't, sometimes they should be - but that's a lot harder for the debugging questions, because it takes the answerers noticing a pattern of people making the same mistake, gathering up the dupes in wildly varying contexts, and figuring out how to canonicalize it. But if the question is going to end up being about debugging, you can always point at solutions to the overall problem in a comment, and vice-versa. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@PeterMortensen what exactly are you trying to highlight with this comment? The fact that editing questions draws more attention to them? — Karl Knechtel 51 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I'm surprised but glad to see that someone with as much rep as you can still get banned for poor questions. (Albeit a larger number of them.) (No comment on the quality of yours.) (Remember, the site is useful because of its Q&A format & quality control.) — philipxy 17 secs ago
 

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