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1:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mklement0
or, @KevinB ... you know, just another user spewing a meaningless propaganda term and a non sequitur - smugly garnished with a passive-aggressive ";)" ;) ;) — mklement0 37 secs ago
 
1:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mklement0
Thanks, @bad_coder; I think KevinB just illustrated your points vividly. — mklement0 1 min ago
 
1:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I've noticed that you consistently seem to get downvoted here despite saying things that seem eminently reasonable to me. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
FWIW, there's already a reminder for this, on the user's Activity page, with complex criteria. I did think about whether to adjust the criteria/message. — Andrew T. 48 secs ago
 
 
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3:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@JeremyThompson That is completely different from what Dalija is asking about here. What you are talking about is the Community user randomly "bumping" old, unanswered questions. — Cody Gray ♦ 46 secs ago
 
4:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caladan
Why can't we add like a simple format button when a user is about to post his/her question? One click and SO will highlight the spelling mistakes and such and then the user can change them. This might stop a lot of unnecessary edits which just fix the spelling and the grammar — Caladan 10 secs ago
 
5:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Can you be more specific in your confusion, considering, you had no problem submitting this question? If you have asked several questions (more than 2) then it’s possible you are question banned especially if those additional questions were deleted. Your few questions are not very good. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
SO/SE haven't "lost a lot of curation community," they actively drove them away. Now they reap what they sowed. Told you so. — Ansgar Wiechers 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Relevant posts: 1, 2. The asker has no deleted posts and is not question-banned. — Ryan M ♦ 54 secs ago
 
6:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I noticed that the mock proposal has "users who have contributed an answer". If this were to be implemented, would you prefer to have a personalized message just like post notice for close reasons? Like, "The system is already showing the relevant help center "What should I do when someone answers my question?" to the asker. Please refrain from posting any comments suggesting the asker to accept or upvote any answer." — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
you should first post a question and then you can post an answer - but both must be clearer and complete as this question here. — user16320675 1 min ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
@OlegValteriswithUkraine what's an SME? As a non-native speaker I always have to ask for this kind of abreviations — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ashish Patil
ok, thanks for your answer. — Ashish Patil 31 secs ago
 
8:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@bad_coder Do you not see the irony in claiming that it is a CoC violation to criticize a post, yet continue—weeks later—to post side-swipes at me, by name, and imply (by comparison) that I lack integrity or a spine? I am quite offended by your comments. I have no problem whatsoever with people disagreeing with me, or even the majority of the community disagreeing with me. But for you to attack me personally in the way you've done here is really just taking it too far. Please stop. — Cody Gray ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@KarlKnechtel The hivemind doesn't like being told that policies put in place forever ago, when the site was small and said policies could be executed in a reasonable timeframe and with a reasonable amount of effort, are no longer sustainable. It seems to mostly be because said policies were enunciated by one of SO's (long-gone) founders or one of SO's (long-gone) super-moderators, and like Moses with the Ten Commandments, what those people proposed years ago is The One True Way and challenging it is heresy of the worst kind. — Ian Kemp 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Michael you hit the nail on the head there. You can only speak for yourself, because there is no community. Only a whole bunch of individuals. Each individual needs to have the motivation to do these kind of cleanup jobs. Stack Overflow actually having some form of a community might be a good motivator. But people can only pretend there is such a thing so far, and it has become harder to lie to yourself about it. — Gimby 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
8. People got tired of "punny" burnination post titles clogging up HMP and stopped clicking them. I did, at least. — walen 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by estani
@PeterMortensen great! I find it incomplete and things might change, but I was looking for something like that! I've added it to the answer as it is really useful and better be more visible. Thanks! — estani 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
@BendertheGreatest That still requires someone to care enough to look it up. And it seems like there might be some people who just keep scrolling but would otherwise help if they realized help was being requested. — BSMP 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joooeey
If plagiarism is a concern, it's unrealistic to let reviewers do the legwork of checking. Including an automated plagiarism check is way more efficient. — Joooeey 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@OlegValteriswithUkraine the line says "except". This post has a lot of unclear bits, with that definitely being one of them, but they said that's a synonym that shouldn't be made — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex
@AmitJoshi Interesting how that question was received much more negatively 3 years ago compared to this. — Alex 1 min ago
 
9:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Qiulang
This actually introduces another problem with filter I also noticed for a while: when I filter a technology, say python, it indeed filters out the companies using python but the problem is that company may list many technologies in their stack and python is not their top 3, so the result seems a bit confusing, e.g. filter python will show stackoverflow.com/jobs/companies/creative-assembly who list c++ as their top 3 tech stack. — Qiulang 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
None of your recent suspensions cited one of your crimes as "the use of sarcasm". They were about rude, condescending comments that you left, directed at other users. You insulted "web designers" as "the bane of usable web sites", you called a group of people "drunken monkeys", and you said "anyone who posts a question that can be answered by a Google search is a garbage human being", and more. It's not unusual for me to have a higher bar for issuing suspensions for rude comments than other mods, but yours haven't even been borderline by my standards. This angst isn't working; try a new look. — Cody Gray ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@CodyGray I didn't write your name anywhere and it wasn't directed at you (honest). The problem I refer is generalized as I see it (a sort of prevalent, transversal, only all too common, bending of the CoC). I'm not a slanderer so if I had something to point out to you directly I'd ping you (I don't do allusions or side-swipes as you say). I know you have a handful (or two) addressing the countless MSO incidents and beyond, as I also know you help A LOT of people. That's also why I never press any issue with you, as I think this ethical minutiae should be done by your peers -mods- not users. — bad_coder 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
With the kind of "love" you repeatedly show people here, is it any wonder that people are increasingly less likely to want to participate here? — Cody Gray ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Alex To put it another way, it "only" took 3 years for the community at large to accept that there's a problem. While I'd love to say that being proven correct makes me happy, the fact that so much time has been wasted has the opposite effect. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
 
9:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@CodyGray ah, I did say: "Cody was proven wrong all along the line" (that's in the singular and thus outside all of the remaining prose). To clarify, I know you're a debater and often you'll explore/take the debate to its limits. I referred solely to the extensive arguments developed here where it was left to the entire community to rebate your views (and not just 2 posters -outnumbered and outgunned- making a difficult stand). — bad_coder 52 secs ago
 
10:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@CodyGray I think the OP linked to a follow-up post that I was unaware off where you linked to one of my posts, undelete that comment. It shows what I was talking about and without that comment you deleted my subsequent writing is taken put of context. — bad_coder just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
You're wrong, an indirect personal attack is still a personal attack calling it an opinion doesn't change that, neither do opinions warrant personal attacks whether direct or indirect. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
10:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
A good start could be to not leave out punctuation between sentences in a paragraph. This is infuriating and makes the text practically incomprehensible. This doesn't require any skills, only the willingness to change habits. Please have a little empathy for your readers. — Peter Mortensen just now
 
10:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
Thanks for the answer, will follow this! — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Re: flag spamming, it's probably the least worry when the close votes review queue has currently about 4.1K questions ... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
@GinoMempin Not exactly, that guy IS sure that the question is subjective — S. Dre 1 min ago
 
11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Please also review Why not upload images of code/errors when asking a question? (e.g., "Images should only be used to illustrate problems that can't be made clear in any other way, such as to provide screenshots of a user interface.") and take the appropriate action (it covers answers as well). Thanks in advance. — Peter Mortensen 52 secs ago
 
11:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
The version my mind came out with of Community Bot gaining self-awareness and becoming a troll was funnier — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
No this is genius as it pretty much lifts on existing mechanisms rather than completely new ones needing to be invented (reviewing a question VS reviewing a tag). — Gimby 11 secs ago
 
12:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Qiulang I guess that's a different issue altogether. You might want to post a new feature request to discuss this issue about which approach is preferred: filtering only from the top 3 or filtering from all tags. — Andrew T. 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Opinions on "canned comments" are mixed; with some being actively against them. The above is t a good example, in my opinion, as such a comment would likely be better with details specific for the question. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments like these really aren't helpful; that's part of the reason we don't have a place that encourages it. You should probably re-consider posting them. A better way to express this concern is to cast a close vote for the applicable reason. If there's no applicable reason, then there's no problem with the question, and no code is required to be shown. Not all questions are seeking debugging help. — Cody Gray ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
If you want to have it now, you can save it on your About me, hidden with the HTML comment <!-- --> ... — Andrew T. 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Why is the 2022 Developer Survey so long?" - because you need a lot of data to tune advertisements. — Gimby 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
As an alternative: gist.github.com ? But a text document seems ok. — TGrif 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aserre
@CodyGray the problem with close votes is that more often than not, the question gets closed before the asker can edit their question to make it valid. I'm also aware that some questions don't need code, but I'm speciffically asking about the case when the question is below SO standards, but can be salvaged if the user edits the relevant information — Aserre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
"the question gets closed before the asker can edit their question to make it valid" That's exactly how it should work. What use would it be to close if the question was already improved by OP? We only close questions that are unanswerable and are awaiting an edit from the OP. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yeah..., but some (advanced) Knowledge/Expertise in the Field/Language/Technology involved in the Qt would be necessary for the Reviewers to be able to asses newly created Tags... Maybe the Package/Library/Function is "new" (from some Version), or there is/are already some other Tag(s) that could be used instead and a new Tag is not needed... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The problem, which I do agree with, is that providing an inbuilt solution for canned comments promotes their use. I'm not necessarily against canned comments (I do use them myself) but I use them as a template and alter or expand on them when needed; this is a nuance than many users probably won't adopt if there was an inbuilt feature, making the comments at best noise. — Larnu 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aserre
I've updated my question, maybe the 1st example I gave was not the best — Aserre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aserre
@Dharman yeah, but on the other hand, people are way quicker to close than to reopen. I agree it should work like that if the system was perfect, but the reality is that salvageable good questions get ignored — Aserre 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Aserre Yet you left the offending bit in and it is still the very first thing you read in the question. If you want to update a question, you have to go the full distance and not just do the bare minimum. Just like when you post comments. — Gimby 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Then a problem is that questions don't get reopened when they should. Closing isn't the issue here. You are barking up the wrong tree — Dharman ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"people are way quicker to close than to reopen" I see no evidence of this; the processes are perfectly parallel. The primary difference is that the vast majority of new questions that get asked are in need of closure, whereas the vast majority of closed questions are not in need of re-opening, even after edits. — Cody Gray ♦ 12 secs ago
 
1:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
@chivracq I clarified that the Remove Tag action should really be Remove/Replace. Additionally, we shouldn't be removing tags simply because we don't know what they are. The first burn reason covers this; if you don't know what the tag is, then you can't answer to whether it fails the criteria and it should not be removed. — Bender the Greatest 23 secs ago
 
1:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
Nitpicking: "First off, you should never custom-flag opinion-based questions." - You should never custom-flag opinion-based questions just for being opinion-based, there are certainly other reasons to custom-flag them. — Nick stands with Ukraine 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yeah, but a "(new) Tag Review System" should take place before the Tag even gets created (like OP and @OlegValter are proposing), not after, then it feels a bit like a "simplified/speed Burnination"... And Review Queues are always based on Rep, not on Expertise (in a specific Field)... — chivracq 30 secs ago
 
1:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
True, but getting SE to implement new features is like pulling teeth; this largely leverages existing functionality which might be an easier sell (just requires new queue, new query for applicable posts, actions to take on the post) rather than proposing a new site mechanism altogether. — Bender the Greatest 1 min ago
 
2:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Bowman
@AndrewT. I wouldn't have suggested that myself—it feels a little more firm about the recommendation than I think the community wants right now—but I am open to it if it's easy to implement. It's consistent with current moderator requests, and in the interest of compromise I can see how clearer guidance to answerers would make this a more appealing change to prioritize. — Jeff Bowman 24 secs ago
 
2:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@IanKemp interesting, since it happens the opposite: the "hivemind" actually rejects the learning's of the old gods. It's like we want to hit the same rock again. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@KarlKnechtel careful with thinking that a reasonable point of view is correct. I've seen many people make that mistake and get burned. Something reasonable but based on a false premise is still wrong, even if it leads you to the desired results. I actually want people to maybe consider not doubling down on the current behavior and look for evidence that challenges their views so they can be verified, because it seems like it seems to be doing the opposite on several issues (topicness, tagging, naa, etc.) and that worries me because nothing good will come from those. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Note, Shog is more like a sanity check, and came out of necessity — Braiam 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Sorry, that was a jargonism :) SME is Subject Matter Expert, usually referred here to a person with relevant expertise, @S.Dre. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"the burn process can result in breathing new life into forgotten, stagnant questions." which I've seen happening several times. Heck, I've edited questions that have sit unanswered for years to simply remove a tag, and gets answered couple of hours later. Mixing burnination with other tasks is something that should be optional, not required. — Braiam 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I feel like there is a missing feature here. If you would just be able to save canned comments in your user CP, you'd still be needing to copy/paste them. Not a whole lot changes from your text file situation, besides having the canned comments available to you on any computer. Is that really all you wanted, or is the missing feature that you would want to be able to select your comment from or around the comment box itself? — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Had I not reached my breaking point of frustration, it would not have occurred to me to look up the information" - I can't help but think that this is the problem that should not be ignored. That moment should have come so much sooner. Still - thanks for being at a breaking point because I did not know this and the mind boggles at the uses this has. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Makoto It wasn't something "required", was something that was asked for, because people were bothered that users were only editing the tag without fixing anything else (to be fair, some post do not need fixing). — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@ZoestandswithUkraine I would've never guessed it from the wording, honestly :) — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
9. SE changed the rules about the community bulletin, that literally killed many community driven efforts. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If the post is closed, it doesn't need an answer until it is reopened. Closure isn't always the end of a question's lifecycle. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
You can use a comment on the question to provide such an answer. — richardec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Would be happy if that was the case, @Joooeey - unfortunately, since it would require dev time on SE's part... — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
I agree, the curation aspect should be promoted as a suggestion, but not as a requirement. The curation aspect is a noble goal and isn't incorrect in spirit, but it's a chore and we don't seem to have the volunteers necessary to complete burnination with curation with any reasonable swiftness. I do still try to improve posts as much as I can, and would continue to do so even if it becomes an optional suggestion, but I also don't want to get smacked on the wrist if I miss a potential improvement or simply decide to "churn-n-burn" quickly. — Bender the Greatest 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
Try to start by indenting your code correctly. — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dwahwuiadhwaiu dwuhwaiudhwa
@richardec yeah it's just the reputation threshold was just seeing if there was a way because I spent like 10 minutes typing an answer then it got closed lol — dwahwuiadhwaiu dwuhwaiudhwa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Braiam if only mods had a tool that could... assist with that — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Then, perhaps, what you should really be doing is ensuring that you aren't spending time answering a question that is potentially unclear or likely to get closed. — Larnu 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
In regards to the ability to DM, it seems you want to DM the user to give them an answer; this completely defeats the point of Stack Overflow being a repository of knowledge. The knowledge is no good if its behind closed doors. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
 
3:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Would an improvement to tag creation benefit teams? particularly one that makes tag creation more restrictive? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aserre
@Gimby yeah, the quick select was what I had in mind, but even a way to sync your favorite template comments with your profile would allow you to access them on multiple devices — Aserre 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Was it happening from this account, because as a mod I see that you are not blocked? As a normal user, I can see that you were able to post this question too. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
FYI, it's called reputation, not "karma" or "points". — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Answer a few questions in the evenings, you'll get past that threshold in no time. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Not even mods can do anything about it. Thus, perhaps suggest to your coworkers about What topics can I ask about here? and What types of questions should I avoid asking? so that your workplace is not suffering this issue anymore... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"none of the close votes came from anyone with experience with this platform" One of the close voters has a score of 381 and 126 posts in [cobol]; I wouldn't say that's someone without experience. — Larnu 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The OP, or a friendly contributor with free time, should edit that question into a How To request rather than a Find/Provide me an example one. This is just a case of someone being unfamiliary with the norms of this Network. If you have an answer that you'd like to provide, you'd probably also be among the best people to edit it into shape (you could even earn a badge for doing so) — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Just FYI, there is a venerable userscript called Auto Review Comments that does just that, and much more. We are also working on modernizing ita little since it's been unmaintained for a while. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
"I did explain the situation to the one close voter who left a comment, and that person reversed their close vote." Well, then explain in laymans words and comprehensively, what you believe most voters don't seem to understand, and why the question should be reopened here as well. — πάντα ῥεῖ 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
While "seeking recommendation" close reason might be misleading, the question is also unclear on what is the goal. Asking for any examples is off-topic because there's no specific issue to solve. It might good for Documentation, but alas ... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@Larnu The OP obviously has limited IBM i experience. The API they are asking about is not a COBOL API, but a DB2 for i API. The only reason for the COBOL tag is that they want to know how to use the API in COBOL which is possible. The only score I am looking for when determining if a close voter has experience on the IBM i platform would be [db2-400] or [ibm-midrange]. — jmarkmurphy 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Tag score is a quite ineffective way of knowing what someone doesn't know. My gold badges are all in tags i rarely use myself. — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
worry less about other people's experience and instead act on the post. If people think it's unclear, it's far more effective to improve that than to dispute that people think it's unclear. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
I fully understood the question immediately. Largely because I know what the API's mentioned are, and how to find them in the documentation. But the question is closed by folks who didn't understand. I tend not to vote on questions when I don't understand the underlying technology. I wish others did so as well. — jmarkmurphy 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@jmarkmurphy you don't always know what you don't know. — Kevin B 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@jmarkmurphy Unfortunately, the site wouldn't do well with that mantra. The question needs to be clear even to a complete noob in programming. It's the responsibility of the question asker to ensure that people can't find a reason to close it. — Dharman ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@KevinB well, thing is that it was a thorny situation, and mods were not featuring anything at all. — Braiam 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The current tool is being overtaken by long slow-moving initiatives by SE that SE wants featured, to feature burninations often we'd have to un-feature those often. — Kevin B 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
I have to note that the original version was closed by a user with silver COBOL badge, a user with bronze badge, and another user with at least 2 posts in COBOL. I wouldn't assume that a question is closed because someone "doesn't understand the underlying technology", @jmarkmurphy. If I were one of those users, I'd be, quite frankly, offended by this statement. That said, the edits made to the post overall made it clearer, so I cast the final VTR. Not sure we didn't just waste time on the question, but still. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
And that's probably why folks seem to think SO is unfriendly. Sometimes when you have questions, you just have questions. — jmarkmurphy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@OlegValteriswithUkraine but the question was only tangentially related to COBOL. The API in question is not a COBOL API. But it is one that is exposed to COBOL. — jmarkmurphy 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@KevinB that is very true. — jmarkmurphy 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@KevinB That is true, but it is a somewhat obscure platform, and a lot of folks under 40 either have not heard of it, or don't know it's capabilities. I don't expect everyone to have a great understanding of it. — jmarkmurphy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Same, @jmarkmurphy. At least 2/3 users have non-negligible experience with DB2 on the site. And all 3 - with ibm-midrange as well. However you put it, calling users incompetent just because you disagree with the closure is wrong. The closure was, in my view, incorrect (hence, the VTR), but I'd really avoid statements like "when folks don't understand a topic, they frequently vote to close". — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@KevinB Then use unclear as the close reason, or ask for clarification. [ibm-midrange] is a somewhat obscure tag with not many answerers. When folks who don't understand the platform close questions, it is difficult to get them re-opened so an answer can be given. — jmarkmurphy 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
This meta Q&A motivated me to clean up [write] in [c] and [c++] tags (only about a dozen questions IIRC, done now), and have a look at non [python] instances of it (stackoverflow.com/…). I was able to add useful tags to the posts that had any value, and even upvote answers on a couple of them. (So they won't be popping up bumped by the community bot in future). Even upvoted one question out of the probably 20 or more I looked at. I have no interest in spending time looking at questions in languages I don't know well enough to curate — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@KevinB afaik, what we need is a guaranteed hot meta post. And the featured thing, they could fight it out randomly. — Braiam 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Sorry, I'm not trying to offend anyone. But this tag is obscure, and it is often combined with much more common tags like [SQL] and [python] and [java] and that often gives a false impression because an answer by a python expert to a [python] question that is only tangentially related to [ibm-midrange] will give them a point. I guess my comments came not so much from the score, but from the confusion. Granted, that is also a bad barometer as well since no one can possibly be an expert on all things IBM i either. — jmarkmurphy 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Alex You might want to know from where things come from, since this topic is not kinda new. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The frustration is due to the difficulty of getting valid questions re-opened due to the low volume nature of the [ibm-midrange] and directly and uniquely related tags. — jmarkmurphy 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
This seems completely reasonable; the question volume on the two version tags is very low, the tag excerpts are exact clones across all three tags... and half of all Q's tagged [vba6] are also tagged [vba7], which heavily implies the version tags aren't really used as intended anyway a lot of the time. Merging them all will also help prevent questions which only use the version tags from falling through the cracks, too. — zcoop98 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Questions being closed for being unclear or ambiguous isn't unfriendly, @jmarkmurphy . If you really did understand it so well then the right action was for you to fix it so it wasn't ambiguous, as mentioned, so that the OP gets the experience they want, and they get a friendly experience of having their question fixed. Don't, however, mistake a lack of additional friendliness as unfriendly; not being (overly) friendly doesn't make someone/something unfriendly. — Larnu 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cb4
The community has spoken !-) I see your point now about more vs less specific tags and agree. — cb4 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cb4
Thank you all for the feedback. It could have been worded in a way that was more clear. — cb4 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@cb4 so... is Zoe correct that you did mean VSC should not be made a synonym? — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
I'm just putting "unsure" to mean "I don't understand the question". — wizzwizz4 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@Larnu So the guy who doesn't even know enough to ask a good question shouldn't even be here? I'm saying that though the question might have been unclear to someone who didn't know what those api's were, it was clear enough for me to give an answer which I am happy to do. I don't think all questions have to be clear enough for a complete noob to understand it. There are quite a few questions here that I have no idea about, and would not even attempt to say whether it was clear enough for someone to give an answer. — jmarkmurphy 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"So the guy who doesn't even know enough to ask a good question shouldn't even be here?" Where did that come from @jmarkmurphy? — Larnu 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I don't think all questions have to be clear enough for a complete noob to understand it" the community, however, disagrees with you; they should be clear so that a noob can consume and understand it as we want everyone to be able to read and understand the content here. — Larnu 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jmarkmurphy
@Larnu It is a beautiful, but unattainable goal for everyone to be able to read and understand all the questions and answers here. Some questions and answers require a certain amount of understanding, and if we cull them out because a complete noob can't understand them, then a large number of the hard questions have to go away. — jmarkmurphy 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If a scraper site follows all the attribution rules, they are perfectly fine. If not, then the copyright owners can contact the site about their content being unlawfully copied without citation. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@jmarkmurphy btw, the question has been reopened. I guess it's better for you to post the answer first before the situation may change again in the future. I personally hope to not let this chance be missed so that I can understand if the question is really on-topic. — Andrew T. 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julia
I would love to know what's going on here. Why is a local government site in China seemingly doubling as a Stack Overflow mirror? — Julia 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
"Should I report these sites to the Stack Exchange administration? You should only report the site to us if the site is a proxy. Whatever the purpose of the site actually is, malicious or not, proxies represent a serious security threat to our site. Sometimes they even start showing up in Google results and users click on them not realizing that they aren't actually on Stack Overflow. Users get confused, or try to log in and accidentally send sensitive information to a third-party service." However, I also can't open the page from here. — Andrew T. just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jxh
Small rep or badge reward counter increment for a triage (suggestion major vs minor revision, etc.). If rep is being rewarded, only reward if the triage consensus is achieved, and the question has satisfied an "in good standing" requirement. — jxh 1 min ago
 
6:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
@BSMP If they don't care to click the link explaining what the burnination process means to Stack Overflow, what makes you think they'd be interested in cleaning up tags? — Bender the Greatest 1 min ago
 
7:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Wait, what? What's that got to do with anything? — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
Thanks @OlegValteriswithUkraine, the more I know! — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pluralMonad
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That is strange then since a search of my entire inbox (spam folder included) did not unearth anything since they announced the migration from the simple CV to developer story. Luckily I had some old exports as PDFs on my local. — pluralMonad 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Try searching for "Notice: Discontinuing Stack Overflow Developer Story" - they were supposed to be sent to anyone with devstory filled in - does it yield anything, @pluralMonad? — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
@BendertheGreatest The comment on the question from walen saying that's what happened to them. But in general when people ask how to get more people to look at their question, writing a clear, interesting title is one of the suggestions. I would not assume that people interested in tag clean up necessarily click on every question in Meta. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
This data would be improved with a little bit of added context; what are we looking at in the chart? You mention rep, but what are the axes? You supply the code as a seeming explanation, which I'm sure it is for those familiar with the language, but your answer would be way more helpful with a full explanation of what data you're supplying and what you feel it illustrates. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
For what it's worth, the site linked to does exist. It's an IPv6 only server, and seems to be a fairly straightforward mirror. Not that tells you why, but it's really a thing nevertheless. — Anon Coward 23 secs ago
 
8:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@zcoop98 Yes, thank you I completely forgot to mention the fact that the tag wikis are identical. — TylerH 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Raymond
@zcoop98 my bad - personally I prefer to read code as a tech spec... it is always less ambiguous than natural language. updated — Rob Raymond 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@walen Wait, so you are aware of burnination posts and their processes? In a comment above under the question you mentioned you just realized today that you were able to involve yourself in them. Which is it? — TylerH 22 secs ago
 
8:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cb4
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You pointed out that VSC is a different tool so obviously it should not be a synonym. For a site this mature, I expected there were best practices for solving the problem of inconsistent tag names within a topic. The solution I recommended purposefully allowed for flexibility because I don't know what those practices are. Maybe my assumption that they exist is false? Opinions from Tom and Ryan M are diametrically opposed. In either case, I did my part and raised the issue. Others can take it from here. — cb4 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Dharman if only we could easily search our comments or comment replies with keywords... maybe that should be a moderator feature request as well. — TylerH 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tdy
I agree that new users don't actually know the site features, but this particular analysis has a major confounder: new users are more likely to ask bad questions. Answers to bad questions might not actually answer the OP's question and thus might not actually deserve the accept mark. — tdy 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Your argument to get the answers from the API appears to have a typo "fromdata": dates[0] instead of fromdate I'm not sure how this would affect the response from the api wrt. which answers you actually pulled down. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I've removed all mentions of various political philosophies/philosophers, as the conversation about them had spiraled wildly off-topic. I've strived to preserve everyone's points about the site and its moderation, minus the comparisons to political theories and related history lessons. — Ryan M ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
How does this determine what is and isn't a valid answer? In what way does this show that comments requesting an accept/vote are educational rather than self-serving? — Kevin B 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
It also looks to me that you are pulling all answers from within the time range then getting the corresponding questions. A question that was asked, answered, and accepted in 2010 (for example) that received a new answer within the range (2018 for example) would show as is_answered: true which I'm not sure was the intention with the time gating? — Henry Ecker 49 secs ago
 
8:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Raymond
@HenryEcker these are all the answers I've provided. which is ~1600. have validated that. now I could limit questions to those that have only one answer then I know it matches up. However this does not change the result - questions with answers of roughly same quality (I know they are roughly same quality as I have authored them), is probability asker will accept equivalent across level of experience user has with using SO? — Rob Raymond 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
In a sense, the tag names are mostly consistent: they're the name of the specific tool or feature. There are probably some things you've identified that are in need of cleanup (it looks like debug-diagnostic-tool and debugdiag should probably be synonyms, for one), but as a whole, the convention is that tags refer to specific tools or features, rather than what the user is trying to do at the time (e.g., debugging). — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Payne
Can anyone please help? It seems as there is no other resource as good as this one for getting help. Except regarding my ban, that is. :( — Mike Payne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Raymond
@tdy it's a controlled environment - all questions are ones I have provided answers to. I help new users improve their questions, often helping them build a MWE. it's interesting when you follow all the arguments in comments and answers newbie users are too problematic to work with. help them with understanding SO best use and I breach policies and loose my access. — Rob Raymond 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Raymond
@KevinB it's because answer quality is relatively consistent as all answers are from me. i.e. that variable random range has been reduced. a controlled sample for purpose on analysing likelihood a new user understand question answered best practice — Rob Raymond 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MikePayne Please read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/255583/… The post is rather exhaustive on what to do/how to proceed when you are question banned, but you really do have to read it all. — TylerH 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Forgive me for not sharing the same... enthusiasm that your answers over a period of time all share the same quality/validity, or are all on questions that themselves are "valid", I certainly wouldn't regard my own 2k answers to that standard, — Kevin B 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
@TylerH "Wait, so you are aware of burnination posts and their processes?" → Uuhhh... no? Pretty sure I never said that last bit you put in there. Of course I am aware of burnination posts, how could I not be? There's a couple of them in HMP every single week. I also know what burnination is, from another stack where I was a high-rep user. But things were different there. I certainly was not aware of how the burnination process was here in SO (until today, as I said earlier); I don't know how my two comments led you to that conclusion. — walen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@cb4, I am just trying to gauge what --> means in terms of exceptions. You are saying those should not be synonymized, correct? — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob Raymond
@KevinB you are correct... they are not all of same quality, my poorer answers will be distributed across all SO user experience level questions. Other variables have not been fully removed from distribution, however strong case that a new user is far less likely to know about question answered approach I believe is well supported in this analysis. Also for me shows another hypothesis that keeps on being but forward - all new users are fully aware of question answered importance that any experienced user that friendly point to this is a bully and should leave SO — Rob Raymond 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tdy
@RobRaymond Ah I see, I missed that these were all your answers. That does control it a bit more. In any case, I hope this won't get buried by downvotes. Sure it has limitations (as does all analysis), but I appreciate seeing some actual data points. — tdy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@walen Well, adding 'process fatigue' to the list of reasons why they are not getting done anymore certainly implies familiarity with the process. — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Grimm
Stack Exchange has previously described “ Hispanic or Latino/Latina” as a “racial background”, and I noted that that the US census refers to it as an ethnicity, in a 2019 post meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339467/…Andrew Grimm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Grimm
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
This is a colossally bad idea, as they differ too much — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bmm6o
Yes. As a casual observer of MSO, the constant need to remove tags always struck me as a symptom of a problem rather than a useful activity to undertake. Why are there so many tags that need to be cleaned up? — bmm6o 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@nbk If you think there is too much if a difference, you should add an answer with data backing up the argument that shows, for example, some questions which would be harmed by a tag merge. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
9:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@nbk I'm not sure I can buy the argument they are so different that they need to exist as separate tags when VBA 7 just introduced 3 data types, its conflicts can be pretty much completely handled with some Declare statements, and when ~196,500 of the ~199,500 VBA questions on the site (that's 98.5% of all VBA questions!) have been asked (and mostly answered) just fine since the release of VBA 7 without needing a VBA 7 tag... — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
@TylerH No, you definitely misunderstood me. I didn't say "tired of punny titles" to mean "tired of the process". I was being literal: I got fed up with the puns and stopped clicking the links. At some point it just felt like people were putting more effort in the puns than the post itself, I don't know. Not that I actually contributed or read everything before (that must be clear already); I just liked to learn which tags were right and which were wrong and why. But that's just me; maybe other users who did contribute to the burnination got fed up with the puns, too, and stopped doing so. — walen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@walen I just don't buy that someone could have previously been clicking the links and reading the posts and not understand that the process was community driven when it is laboriously covered/applied in every single of said posts. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
10:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@bmm6o years of neglect for the tag system on SE's side, pretty simple. It accumulates, and I agree it's a symptom of a larger problem. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
11:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"you can't select the text of the options" No repro; I can select them on Chrome. A browser should not be blocking selecting the text of a <label>. — Cody Gray ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Done now; let me know if you see any breakage and need to get this reversed. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Test comment: please flag as "No longer needed" (except for moderators) — Ryan M ♦ 7 secs ago
 

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