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12:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
 
12:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
GitHub login was only ever supported on Stack Overflow. In the past, logging in on Stack Overflow logged you into all sites. Recent browser security updates have broken that feature for many, so it's no longer possible for your SO login to transfer to other sites, which means it's now not possible to login elsewhere without using another credential. Related: Let us sign in with GitHub on all Stack Exchange sites, not only Stack Overflowanimuson ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ethan
Mabey the mod thought that the text for the link was enought — Ethan 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
did you use Advanced Flagging option Link Only to flag it? — Vickel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4b0
@Vickel yep, why ? — 4b0 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
because then it looks to me to be a mod mistake — Vickel 1 min ago
 
1:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
it seems NAA flags are preferred over VLQ flags, while the latter is issued by the Advanced Flagginf script. — Vickel 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
There is (at least for me) a quite confusing CW Meta Post When to flag an answer as "not an answer": If there's nothing in the answer itself to actually answer the question, then it's not an answer and should be deleted. VERSUS Notice that this is not necessarily the same thing as a "link-only answer" (although there is much overlap). In particular, answers where the link itself is the answer to the question are excluded and should not be flagged.Vickel 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
We handle VLQ and NAA more-or-less identically. I'm guessing that the handling moderator considered "Specify symbol (.pdb) and source files in the Visual Studio debugger (C#, C++, Visual Basic, F#)" to be an answer, with the link being supplemental. I've pinged them to confirm. — Ryan M ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
@RyanM thanks for pointing out the VLQ NAA handling. What's your opinion about the CW Meta Post I mentioned, for me this is really unclear... — Vickel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
" it had no value if the link was dead" is not the NAA ("possible answer with no value" vs. "not an answer to anything"), it could be reason for downvote... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
2:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Vickel the litmus test is: if the link is stripped/removed, do you get any insight from the answer, however small it is? — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"♫ Try to remember ♬ Eternal September ♪ then follow ... follow ... follow ... follow ..." — philipxy 1 min ago
 
 
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3:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Vickel As Andrew says, quoting from that post: "A handy rule-of-thumb is to strip the markup: if it's still an (attempted) answer without the link, then it's an answer and should not be flagged." — Ryan M ♦ 36 secs ago
 
 
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7:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ingo Steinke
There is no review tab, at least not for users below 1k reputation? — Ingo Steinke 1 min ago
 
7:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
What do you mean by „SO Communities“? The closest I can think of are collectives, but they cover only very few tags. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
It looks like there's an answer there. In fact, apart from there being a link in the answer, the text of the linked answer seems to be saying pretty much the same thing as the other 2 answers on the question. If the linked answer is NAA, then so are the others. — cigien 36 secs ago
 
8:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
The linked duplicate isn't very specific about this particular, common situation. Flag duplicate answer on the same questions? provides additional guidance. — snakecharmerb 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tex
I'm disappointed to hear this. I always enjoyed browsing the recommended jobs in the sidebar whenever I visited SO. I landed my current (awesome, fully remote) job through SO Jobs 5 years ago. I would have probably never heard of the company had it not been for SO Jobs. I really liked the fact that SO Jobs was integrated with SO. I already had an SO profile, and I already visit SO for other reasons, so having Jobs integrated was very convenient. I'm not a fan of having to sign up for single-purpose job boards. Integration with a service I already use is much nicer. — tex 28 secs ago
 
8:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yeah posting an answer and then dupe closing that is a pretty unmistakable pattern. — Gimby 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@MrUpsidown That specific behaviour seems quite different from the general behaviour you describe in your meta question. Perhaps you want to ask a separate meta question about that different behaviour? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrUpsidown
@MisterMiyagi you are right, that's a different topic now. — MrUpsidown 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yay, now I need to do two clicks :/ That's... progress? — Gimby 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Cerbrus There may be a problem with the featured sidebar actually. — Gimby 38 secs ago
 
9:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I'm going to apply a little Stack Overflow logic here and make an educated guess. You have flagged numerous answers like this before and they got accepted, right? That's what triggered you to create this meta post since all of a sudden something breaks your expectancy. And now it is going to be a tough pill to swallow that all those previous identical situations might have been mistake and this is the actual correct resolution. It wouldn't be the first time... — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"The community doesn't want broad, opinion-based discussion threads" - not so sure about that, the plenty of other available sites prove otherwise. That is why it is kind of a blessing that Stack Overflow exists to focus on facts in between all those heated personal opinions. The discussions can be held elsewhere, no need to force them into a site specifically designed not to have them. — Gimby 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
member for 6 years and only just trying to log out? — WhatsThePoint 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Cerbrus the "I disagree" part already sets the stage for it being a personal opinion. Not sure if you are going to see this response since it is almost invisible in your inbox. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
9:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Also another answer to the question here looks like plagiarism of another answer, after reading the comments. I have flagged it. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
The link title in itself doesn't answer a question in my opinion. It seems to be the first step to solving the problem, but it is incomplete, and thus the answer itself still is in another castle, which does make it link only. — Mark Rotteveel 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
@MarkRotteveel It is a poor answer, but still an answer. This is a case for the voting system (not the moderation system). — IInspectable 29 secs ago
 
10:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"It seems like some users use Stack Overflow as a debugging tool." - I would hesitate to say that a lot of users do that. We can't expect people to only post questions with the nobel intentions to help out many people. Secretly they're all asking for themselves and have to pretty print it. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Also reported on MSE: Green reputation badges on Summary page have black text (already fixed, waiting for deploy) — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
11:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
 
11:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Teemu
OP says they've flagged as VLQ, the instructions in this answer are for NAA. — Teemu 1 min ago
 
11:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
While you are correct, I would have still deleted it if I saw that it was just a link. The text is the title of the linked article so it isn't really the solution, because someone would still have to look up how to do it in that article. — Dharman ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
@Teemu From the community wiki answer: "there is much overlap", so I believe this is applicable still. If you feel differently, please explain why things are subtly or obviously different. — IInspectable 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4b0
Thanks for honest reply. No need to sorry, I just curious what happen here. — 4b0 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
@Dharman It may not be an answer to folks who haven't used Windows debuggers much. To someone that's used a Windows debugger virtually every single day of the past few decades, there's a lot more value to read out of the link title. Though that pretty much boils down to an age-old issue with SO as a whole: It doesn't make a difference between domain experts and everyone else. — IInspectable 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Out of curiosity, "I used the standard Stack Overflow flag queue" - as opposed to what? — Tomerikoo 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
But don't the other two answers already say the same thing? — Dharman ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Tomerikoo As opposed to actually opening the flagged post. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
Quite unsettling to see a moderator reply along the lines of: That's the outcome I would have hoped for, so let's just encourage you (and everyone else) to take the wrong actions"... — IInspectable 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@IInspectable What do you mean wrong actions? — Dharman ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
You've commented on my answer, so I would assume you've actually read it. It explains why flagging was the wrong option. — IInspectable 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
@Dharman All proposed answers are garbage. I don't see why one should be treated differently from the others. — IInspectable 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@IInspectable Perhaps we have some misunderstanding here. I declined it because I didn't know it was a title of an article. The title might give some clue as to how to solve the issue, but we generally don't allow answers that just say "go read this, there's your solution". Improving this answer would be a good option too, but flagging it wasn't the wrong action IMHO. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
"I declined it because I didn't know it was a title of an article" - There you have it. Apparently the title was enough to not see it as a link-only answer. I wonder why you're still arguing that it should have been flagged as such. Again, I'm not voicing my personal opinions on the subject, just re-iterating site rules. Do moderators not care anymore? — IInspectable 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@IInspectable We're not robots. Not everything is always black or white. Sometimes things are in the grey area. Either flagging or not flagging would be the correct action. However, my declining it was not the right thing to do. — Dharman ♦ 47 secs ago
 
12:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
This wouldn't even be on topic for Stack Overflow... — Larnu 5 secs ago
 
1:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
No one is expecting you to be a robot. Though, the part that is unsettling is that you applied the "handy rule-of-thumb [...] to strip the markup", and concluded that the subject was indeed an answer, only to later change your mind: "Oh, hey, this is actually rendered in <whatever color>, so this cannot be an answer, even though I thought it was when it was rendered using <some other color>". That's quite problematic when coming from a moderator. — IInspectable 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@IInspectable No, I changed my mind after seeing that the text wasn't the author's suggestion on how to solve the issue but rather the title of the article. It changed my opinion in regards to the flag, but it doesn't change the rules. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
It's bad to remove the tags because then we don't know what version of the product they are using and thus could suggest solutions that don't work in their environment. In the examples you give, SQL Server 2008 and 2012, they were both released over a decade ago; the product has moved on a lot since then. — Larnu 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
It's not bad to tag those versions, but people may warn those users of the problem(s) of using unsupported software. SQL Server 2008, for example, ran completely out of support way back in 2019 and hasn't had a single security update since then. It does have security vulnerabilities, and they will never be patched. Not to mention that it lacks a lot of functionality taken for granted in more recent versions. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@Dharman What difference does it make whether the text was the author's attempt at an answer or the title of an article they're linking to? Are you saying that if someone left that text and didn't hyperlink it, that would be an okay answer to leave on Stack Overflow? But if they turn that text into a hyperlink, that suddenly makes it not OK to leave as an answer? — mason 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ineffable21
@Larnu So, in short, I've misunderstood the comments. They probably haven't told anyone to remove tags, but to stop using those versions? — Ineffable21 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Yes, the users should most certainly be making their best efforts to implement their upgrade paths ASAP. You would, probably, be surprised as quite how many of these users actually had no idea that they were using a product that was completely unsupported for 3+ years, so it's also educational for them. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"to just update same version" Wish it were that simple... — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
One way of looking at the situation is that it's treated differently because there's another rule we can apply to get low-quality stuff deleted: link-only answers. Especially where the answer text is just the title of an article, so the author just copy/pasted that instead of writing anything themselves. On the assumption that the article is actually helpful, though, I commented with a link to it under the earliest (and only upvoted) answer. If @Dharman had initially realized it was a link, conversion to a comment could have worked, or someone else should have commented with the link. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by false
This (or a similar problem) is not fixed or has reappeared or is somewhat similar, at least as of today, but my post has been closed as a dupe... — false 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@mason It makes a difference to me whether to decline the flag or mark it helpful. If the link was there just as additional information then I would decline it; and the answer can be deleted by 20k users. But here there was no original content. The text was not the solution. It could have just been "Solution: click here". Seeing this I understood why someone decided to flag it. — Dharman ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
That makes no sense to me. If you saw the text alone without the hyperlink, and thought it was okay to leave on the site, then why would seeing it as a hyperlink suddenly make it not okay? Not that I think this type of answer is acceptable at all, but my point is that BOTH scenarios should have been deleted and the flag marked as helpful. When we get garbage presented to us and don't take action to clean it up, that just means more people have to get involved to clean it up, and so it's less likely to actually get cleaned up. Three different 20K users would have to get involved to clean up. — mason 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ineffable21
@MisterMiyagi, could you elaborate or send some link to a website explaining why programs like RDMBS get new versions instead of updates? The only think I can think of with my little computer/programmer knowledge is maybe the fact that computers improve, so they leave old versions for people that are still using less powerful PC's and then eventually stop supporting them — Ineffable21 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Wouldn't it make more sense to just update same version and that way you always support it?” - As someone who routinely is placed in a situation where I must support a specific version of a piece of software, and will have that specific version for years, I would e incredibly upset if someone removed the version specific tag I selected from my question. Sometimes it’s not possible to update software, sometimes the version makes a difference, which is the reason the version specific tags exist — Security Hound 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Because I could not have known that it was garbage without this extra information. Mods don't evaluate the correctness of an answer. — Dharman ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
RDBMS aren't unique in getting updates, @Ineffable21 . Any good software does. Operating systems like Windows get them (i.e. Windows 10 and Windows 11, and you also have releases like 22H2 for those). PHP has versions 7 and 8, of which until a month ago 7.4 was still supported (now only 8.0 and 8.1 are). Products getting new releases and updates is just a "normal" thing. — Larnu 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"They probably haven't told anyone to remove tags, but to stop using those versions?" it is also possible that they told you to remove those tags. This can be appropriate when it is clear that you don't actually use those versions or have multiple version tags which contradict each other. — Tom 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clockwork
The way I see it, the fact that the link was there only allowed Dharman to realise the text wasn't an attempt at an answer but the title of the link itself. Without the link, if someone found out it was a copy paste, then it would have been some kind of low quality plagiarism. — Clockwork 45 secs ago
 
2:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IInspectable
"Because I could not have known that it was garbage" - Not trying to be rude here, but dude, a proposed answer—**any** proposed answer—that doesn't identify the issue is complete garbage. You don't have to be a domain expert to know this much. This should be obvious. What strikes me as odd is how you can both claim that "Mods don't evaluate the correctness" and "it was garbage [so deleting it as a link-only answer is well justified]". Care to explain how to resolve that contradiction? — IInspectable 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@IInspectable No, sorry, because I don't understand your confusion anymore. I feel like I explained my actions here pretty clearly. If you have a broader disagreement with the process of handling NAA/VLQ flags, maybe you should post another Meta question. — Dharman ♦ 13 secs ago
 
3:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
@false: If it's not working as intended, you should post it as an answer to the MSE announcement here, if someone hasn't reported it there already: Inbox improvements are liveV2Blast ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
If it's not working as intended, you should post it as an answer to that MSE announcement here, if someone hasn't reported the bug there already. — V2Blast ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Effectively, the new inbox makes the previously "broken" functionality intended, right? — Kevin B 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
That bug was turned into a feature — Kevin B 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
I want to do it. I want the special badge — MFerguson 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Indeed, can we prioritize this or at least disable the wizard until it is fixed? Literally the only difference I've noticed since the wizard was introduced is that code formatting in posts by new users has turned much worse. — Lundin 37 secs ago
 
3:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
@KevinB: Basically, yes. The changes weren't supposed to affect those outside the testing group originally, so it was a bug when this was originally reported here – but now the changes have been officially released for everyone. — V2Blast ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Ineffable21 Like most "infrastructure" software, RDBMS do not exist in a bubble. Instead, they are usually part of larger deployments where many software components interact. Installing small updates in such a system is usually an isolated work, but introducing any major version update can and does affect all components because the interfaces or even just subtle behaviours change. As such, older versions remain in use when the cost of updating is too large – say because there are no more experts for some parts of the system, or because it has limited expected lifetime to begin with. — MisterMiyagi just now
 
4:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mpag
Thanks for providing me a starting point for getting past this. I have turned off Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection for both SO and SE, but my login here doesn't seem to transfer to SE. Is there another domain that I need to unblock to facilitate the shared login cookie, or is that functionality no longer possible? — mpag 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kesarling He-Him
It doesn't show the full post, only a text summary. Looks like a bug... What is wrong with showing links in blue even in summaries? — kesarling He-Him 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FZs
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FZs
Btw, if you actually open the notifications by clicking on them, they will be marked as read, and if you have none left, the indicator will go away. — FZs 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
If you notice there is a small mail icon at the top right in each notification, you can mark an individual notification as read / unread by clicking those. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Is there an option to add a github profile to an account? Or are they just links in the about me section? — BDL just now
 
 
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11:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@DBX12 In that situation, I would edit the answer to include the clarification, which would have the side effect of unlocking your vote. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 

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