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12:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
raise a custom flag in chat That's not possible in frozen rooms. — TheMaster 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
It's fake. Please report it. — Someone_who_likes_SE 51 secs ago
 
12:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@user4581301 the SO community has deemed that tool requests are off-topic. We even have Software Recommendations created specifically for this as an exemption. So, the next question is, "that site is not linked anywhere on SO, new users won't find it". True, SO has tried creating Ask Question Wizard that points to SoftwareRecs.SE. This ended with many bad/off-topic questions. User onboarding is hard... — Andrew T. 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
 
1:20 AM
Error while calling API: Network is unreachable (connect failed)
 
 
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3:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
“It really loved it” 🙄thats probably fake. Also kella mohan sandeep kumar is would not be the official authors name of the real app. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
4:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq: 100% agreed. Very little points people towards the existence of high-quality collections of links like stackoverflow.com/tags/c++/info or stackoverflow.com/tags/x86/info. "Learn more..." doesn't sound like it's going to be that. — Peter Cordes 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@TemaniAfif 'calling people lazy when they really are is not a negative thing' ....why do you assert that they are not lazy - how do you know? Do you suggest an alternative, eg :'I know I should not post this, but one of the naive nerds might answer it anyway and, if not, I can blast them on meta and Twotter as toxic' — Martin James 1 min ago
 
4:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
@Peter, woaw...!, very good Qlt indeed, Thanks for the Links/Examples, even for "myself"... I recently created the Wiki Tag for the small Tag I answer ( stackoverflow.com/tags/imacros/info ) and I was looking for that kind of (good Qlt) Examples... Mostly 1-Rep Users in "my" Tag, that I used to refer to my own Profile for "minimum [Quality/Info to include] Requirements", now I have to explain that Learn more... is the Link to the Tag Wiki with all Recommendations on how to ask "a good" Qt in the Tag... — chivracq 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@user4581301 'we can show more mercy to tool requests' why? ATM, they are euthanized quickly with no drawn-out suffering, is that not enough mercy? — Martin James 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq: I normally just link the tag wiki directly in answers or comments when I want to mention it, rather than telling people how to navigate to it. — Peter Cordes 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
@Peter, yeah..., but several other "Sub"-Tags often get added to those Qt's, (1-Rep Users always think the more Tags, =the bigger the "Audience", = = the more Chance to get an Answer/some Help), and I can't/don't want to link to all the Tag Wikis for all those Tags..., as they also need need to "respect" the Tag Usage for those Tags if they added them to their Qt. — chivracq 46 secs ago
 
4:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
About "that Link could be placed at the bottom of the 'Tag Wiki' Page, next to the History & Excerpt history Links..." from my 1st Comment, I now have an Edit tag info (Blue) Button left of the 2 'History' Links I mentioned on the Tag Wiki Page of all Tags I check..., which I certainly didn't have 13 hours ago... Woaw...!, quick "Response" from Dev...! (But the Improve tag info Link is still present on the Tag Page itself..., which I still find useless...: Maybe ONE (Advanced) User in the Tag needs to click on that Link once a year, and they'll find the Button from the Wiki Page...) — chivracq 1 min ago
 
5:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
@Peter, yeah well, I tried to write the Tag Wiki for my small Tag as short as possible (I only put 3 Resources Links in it), and it's a "first" Version, I may improve it over time... :wink: // And yep indeed about "Also, being shown the existence of one tag wiki should clue in most people that it's a thing, and they can probably see how to navigate to the wikis for other tags with some clicking.", but that works for "you and me" as "Answerers", I wouldn't take that Reasoning "for granted" for 1-Rep Users (in "my" Tag at least) who just want some quick Solution... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq: If people choose not to help themselves when shown information, there's not much it's worth trying to do. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Honestly, no one really reads the FAQ so I don't think it'd be missed if the image were outright deleted... — Makoto 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Got some Auto-Notif about "avoid extended discussions in comments.", and I think we both agree..., + moving a bit away from @OP's Intention/Qt..., even if hum, I found "I tried to edit a tag wiki to get my Tag Editor badge" quite funny when i read the Qt, ah-ah...! [Spoiler: You also get +2 Pts if your Tag (Wiki) Edit gets approved, youpiddoo...!] — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
Gotta get all the badges lol — MFerguson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
OK, you got me a good Laugh, nearly crying, ah-ah...! — chivracq 53 secs ago
 
 
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6:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Assuming good faith, the mod might have intended to "move comments to chat", but mistakenly chose "purge all comments" since the options are right next to each other. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"...where he stated what fixed his problem and the issue was essentially solved." Then they should have written an answer (unless it turned out it was a typo / not reproducible). — Jeanne Dark 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@JeanneDark , you probably have a point. But I don't think that would result in purging all comments as though they were useless. — steven7mwesigwa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@KennyEvitt You need domain expertise about the topic and some experience of what makes a good question on SO. Unfortunately a lot of people pick the oldest one so a whole lot of our "canonical" duplicates are actually quite bad posts, in particularly incomplete answers where the complete answer is scattered across several. Or some of it is outdated. Then the whole thing gets ridiculously upvoted over time. — Lundin 1 min ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VScode_fanboy
@Someone_who_likes_SE more like Page not found for low rep users effect. — VScode_fanboy 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
mistakenly chose "purge all comments" -> shouldn't they be able to restore the comments? — user16320675 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Alternate take, as illustrated by the duplicates @user16320675 - if there was anything of value, then it needed to be moved to a proper answer. — Makoto 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@NotTheDr01ds that argument has been rejected countless times, for example in the context of editor questions - just because you can find a use case outside of software development doesn't mean the question should be closed on SO. And that's good because otherwise you would need to close a lot of shell questions, as most shell commands have a use outside of programming. IMO we could close/migrate more editor questions than we are doing ATM though. And anyways, if the question was closed because it should have been on SU then it should have been migrated there, not closed as off topic. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
@Makoto not sure why your comment is being addressed to me?? (1) the duplicate was not being shown when I wrote my comment; (2) I am no moderator, I can't even see the deleted comments; (3) so instead of mistakenly purge all comments they should have (mistakenly?) chosen to move to a new answer :-) — user16320675 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@user16320675: Just want you to check the duplicates, too. They don't just exist for the OP. Also, unless it's blindingly obvious, most people with answering privileges need to be incredibly hesitant in copying a comment into the answer box, because that usually requires some level of comprehension of the question to determine if the comment is actually an answer to begin with. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
thanks, but no need to read the duplicates... I am too long on SE sites to not be used to comments being deleted (even if the moderator just does not accept that his answer is incomplete and could/should be improved) — user16320675 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Makoto , In that case, wouldn't a simple supplementary comment from the moderator be more appropriate instead of purging all comments? I.e: If you found a solution to your problem, please consider writing an answer instead of a comment.steven7mwesigwa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Not sure why you are so attached to comments on a low quality question. It's not unlikely the question itself will be gone at some point. Why fret over this? — yivi 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Makoto , because if I were the OP or the person who guided the OP to find a solution which he stated in a comment, I wouldn't be pleased if all that disappeared out of the blue. — steven7mwesigwa 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gert Arnold
@TheMaster A question is more than the title. Also, I wonder if you followed all comments and revisions. — Gert Arnold 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"In that case, wouldn't a simple supplementary comment from the moderator be more appropriate instead of purging all comments?" The purpose of Stack Overflow, of comments etc. is well documented, so why make more work for other volunteers by having them repeat it again and again? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@yivi , I'm not interested in the question being of low quality or if it will be deleted at some point in future. I only wanted to learn the reasoning behind such actions. — steven7mwesigwa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
@AdrianMole what about people that don't have close vote privileges ? — Elikill58 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Yes, but the title is the summary of the entire question. Kindly edit to provide a better title. — TheMaster 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@yivi , In addition, if the moderator found the question of low quality, I think the more appropriate step would have been to delete/close the question or mark it as a low question. — steven7mwesigwa 1 min ago
 
 
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9:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jens Schauder
@HansPassant while in theory it could refer to this and then it would be a valid tag it doesn't seem to be used in this way. — Jens Schauder 46 secs ago
 
10:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
@Scratte Part of the problem is that they are aggressively spamming new phone numbers, it's not like they have a single number. (Some of the effects are vaguely amusing, like when they spam the wrong number for a service, or connect the wrong title with the body of the spam.) — tripleee 1 min ago
 
10:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@Paul It's not closed. It's deleted by you. Undeleting it is your job. But I don't think you should. The question is still very messy IMO. — klutt 17 secs ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@Paul For instance, you have what it should produce, but not what it is actually producing. And it's a very long test code for the purpose of asking for help. — klutt 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16714199
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@Paul To be a bit blunt, your post have the smell of "Oh no! I have written a piece of code that is to complex for me to debug. Could you please do the debugging for me?"klutt 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nearoo
Agreed, this goes against SO's sentiment. This will likely mostly result in post being closed and people thinking SO is toxic. — Nearoo 39 secs ago
 
12:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
For it not being lost to history, you could add a new comment to that question with what you do remember. And keep a record this time around. — Peter Mortensen 57 secs ago
 
12:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Well, they grossly misspelled Stack Overflow as "StackoverFlow". Perhaps the unnatural spelling "Stack Overflow" is good for something after all. — Peter Mortensen 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@steven7mwesigwa You don't flag, close vote or delete vote low quality content; you downvote it instead. You are confused with the VERY low quality flag which is only reserved for absolute gibberish. — Gimby 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Well, they grossly misspelled Stack Overflow as "StackoverFlow". Perhaps the unnatural spelling "Stack Overflow" is good for something after all. — Peter Mortensen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
Actually, in a chat with Machavity (mod) just a couple of days ago on the topic, the guidance was that non-programming shell questions are off-topic as well. He quoted Makyen (also mod), "most things that are being used as single commands or a set of commands not logically related (e.g. order doesn't matter) (with some exceptions for programming-based single commands) are general computing (grey area, use judgement). Things that are implementing logic, or a sequence of interrelated commands, are programming.". So yes, we close a lot of shell questions. — NotTheDr01ds 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
Also, questions over 60 days old cannot be migrated. I would love to see more useful, non-programming questions and answers migrated, but apparently it's not technically possible. — NotTheDr01ds 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If they are about the link @HansPassant provided, [reactive-mongodb-java] is an odd choice. [mongodb-java-reactive-stream] would seem better, or the tags [java-reactive-streams] and [mongodb] (note I know nothing about Java, and if there are other reactive streams). — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
Also, questions over 60 days old cannot be migrated (this one was right at 2 years). I would love to see more useful, non-programming questions and answers migrated, but apparently it's not technically possible. Questions under 60-days old may be migrated if the OP requests it by a mod, but it is (apparently) labor intensive (or at least time consuming if there are a lot of migration requests), so the mods have asked that it only be done if there are useful answers. Otherwise they ask the OP to repost on SU after it has been closed here. As non-mods, all we can do is vote-to-close. — NotTheDr01ds 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
And a third time as "stackoveflow", perhaps the grossest of all. — Peter Mortensen 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and is probably too broad for anywhere on the Stack Exchange network. — greg-449 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless. — Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
For general server administration topics, try Server Fault. For general computing, try Super User. For Unix-specific questions, there's also Unix & Linuxtripleee 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless. — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
I just deleted my stack overflow mobile app and changed my password lol — MFerguson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless (like most poems). — Peter Mortensen 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"1000+ installs" - let us hope it is mostly harmless (like most poems). Perhaps they are taking advantage of the desperate need for a mobile app after it was abandoned (as expressed in many Über meta posts)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
They should create dummy apps that redirect to the website until all mobile users get the message. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luk2302
"They" / SO should not really need to do anything, of course legal can contact the google / play store, etc. But at the end of the day it up to the user to figure out what app they install, who programmed it and whether or not it is a remotely good idea to enter credentials into it. And this one is obviously not genuine, there is nothing that hints at it being genuine. — luk2302 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
The worst part of those YT rants is that they create a strong echo chamber by removing any comments that shows disagreement. It's even worse that YouTube is removing the visibly of the number of thumb downs, a clear step backwards in my POV. — E_net4 the curator 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It's also accessible from the burger menu, in between "help" and "logout". — Jeanne Dark 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
With that said, I am not fond of using this question as the dupe target for any demonizing rant, because it does not address the concrete complaints presented, and it is not about the company demonizing the community, which the question is more focused on. — E_net4 the curator 15 secs ago
 
1:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Watson
Don't link directly to spam pages, it just inflates their appearance of validity. — Ben Watson 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@luk2302 You misunderstand my meaning, I mean that the mobile version of the website is fine. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@VLAZ Is raymond.cc/blog/sync-your-bookmarks-across-browsers-systems not good enough? I still don't understand the need for it to be SO specific. — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Gimby , I stand corrected regarding the purpose of the VERY low quality flag. — steven7mwesigwa 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
So, the TL;DR here is there was a mod flag for redaction and a ton of comments about needing to remove API keys. I redacted the post and dumped the comments since they seemed out of date. You also seemed to be suggesting that it was a duplicate of this questionMachavity ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rajendran Nadar
If we can use other tools why other features are added like upvotes, comments, etc. We can add questions here copy the link and paste it on Reddit to get answers & upvotes there, instead of implementing it here on SO in the past, nice idea right? @MonkeyZeus. Most users derailed the topic without understanding the need for this feature. — Rajendran Nadar 39 secs ago
 
2:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MonkeyZeus let's flip that argument then - why do we need bookmarks on SE? Surely we can all just sync our bookmarks externally - shouldn't we abolish this feature? We further have RSS feed readers, why bother with the "follow" feature? Because it's more convenient. I myself have no idea why this pushback on extending the features that already exist. You're trying to claim it's unneeded but the feature is already unneeded. I don't see you petitioning to remove it, though. So, which is it - can we use convenience features or not? — VLAZ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rajendran Nadar
Don't worry I will create a proper question with some use cases! You can wait for that. — Rajendran Nadar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@RajendranNadar Those can be classified as community-building tools which encourage engagement and I think they've done quite well. This bookmark suggestion is merely a failure of personal management. If you want to participate in the Reddit community then no one is stopping you. Do note that posting a link-only question here would be received quite poorly as opposed to doing the same on Reddit because this community has standards. Tell me, what happens when you decide to move to Codidact? You expect them to also implement this bookmark feature? — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
This is more a generic problem of the hamburger menu being very unclear, IMO. It holds so many important things (including the log out which frequently pops up on meta too) yet it in no way invites you to click on it. Besides the fact that it is the SECOND hamburger menu in the same bar... — Gimby 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rajendran Nadar
@MonkeyZeus Don't worry I will create a proper question with some use cases in future! You can wait for that. — Rajendran Nadar 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@SecurityHound I don't think that would have helped. Changes are made according to someone else's plan, not the wishes of the community. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"SO definitely still has a communication problem with new users" - I'm not going to look because it is obviously the usual youtube negativity that people put out there so easily, but I actually do somewhat agree with that statement. If you want to get through to new users that are at the same time young people, you need Youtube tutorials that hold their hand. If it's all in text hidden somewhere on the site, you can forget about it. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@VLAZ When the heck did they rename it to bookmarks? Wasn't it called "favorites/starred" or something like that? Quite frankly, it should be removed or have the ability to categorize your favorites into folders I guess. I don't see a benefit to "hey SO, remind me to look at these specific posts at a future date" for the masses. — MonkeyZeus 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Generally, it would even be possible to make a genuine mobile app showing content from SO, since the content is kind of free. But not like this, obviously. — Trilarion 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I support this answer, but only because a comment on the question states that there is no existing answer yet so we are not talking about the sort of duplication which you can actually close vote just yet. A poor unanswered question should not hold you back from asking a better question which hopefully will get answered. This is assuming there is not a third question in play which IS answered, of course... — Gimby 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MonkeyZeus "When the heck did they rename it to bookmarks?" last year "or have the ability to categorize your favorites into folders I guess." that is what I'm saying here. I agree the "remind me later" is highly specific but I wouldn't just reject it. If implemented, I'd find use for such a feature to review old question. Right now such reviews are ad-hoc and inconsistent, so it could be better. But I'd first love to see other improvements. — VLAZ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Machavity , Um, thank you very much for your response. And thank you for responding to the mod flag for redaction since I was among the SO users who put up that flag. For what it's worth, I didn't explicitly mark the question as a duplicate. I only wrote the link in the comment section as a response to a counter-question from the OP. — steven7mwesigwa 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Machavity , Lastly, I don't get why you regarded all comments as out of date including the parts where the OP clearly stated the "solution" that fixed his problem. But that isn't for me to judge. — steven7mwesigwa 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
The comments about the solution were buried in the middle of some "thanks" comments. I dug them back out for you, but you might want to consider writing a proper answer if it's not a duplicate. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
What if they copy the code and it didn't work for them...? — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
If no code is copied from one of the answers, do question and answer(s) get an auto-downvote, too? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
At that point they're probably going to go back and try another answer so you could transfer the upvote then — Persistence 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@JeanneDark - No, because that'd pick up when someone's googled something and landed on a question that isn't actually what they're looking for — Persistence 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by takendarkk
What if I copy code just to run it and see the output to decide if I want to upvote or not? — takendarkk 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
@Persistence What if they waste more than 5 minutes on a non-working solution and then can no longer change the vote? — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
If a spammer copies the content of an answer to make their spam harder to detect, they'd still get the auto-upvote? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
What if I copy the code but never paste and run it? How will the system know not to upvote then? — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@takendarkk - Then you just revoke your auto upvote — Persistence 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz - Just make auto-upvotes permanently mutable — Persistence 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@JeanneDark - Not sure how that would be harder to detect than any other kind of upvote spam — Persistence 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
I don't understand why people expect there to be an app for a freaking website. IT'S A WEBSITE, we already have apps for those, they're called BROWSERS. I don't understand why we need to be actively policing common sense, if you're dumb enough to install such an obvious phony and get phished as a result, you deserve it completely. — Ian Kemp 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by steven7mwesigwa
@Machavity , Thanks for the clarification and digging back out the necessary comments. I understand that they are temporary second class citizens and shouldn't be taken as a substitute for an appropriate answer. I will do so. — steven7mwesigwa 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I copy code from questions all the time, to see if the claims the OP make are correct before attempting to answer Sometimes I copy it because the code is a completely mess and it needs some formatting. Why should I therefore automatically upvote them? — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
In the end, this would mean that "gimme-the-codez" questions are considered the best questions and the best answers are code-only answers? An explanation of why or how something works is not just not helpful, it's maybe even harmful because it may make copy-pasting harder. We'd encourage people to ask and give fish, instead of learning/teaching how to fish. — Jeanne Dark 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@Larnu - Copying from an answer, not from a question — Persistence 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Persistence
@JeanneDark - That's a good point tbf — Persistence 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
“Chances are, if they're copying code from an answer, it was both a good question and a good answer so why not make that an auto upvote?” — Yes, what are those chances? I’d say citation needed. Code is copied to test and critically examine it, not because the answer and a question of unrelated quality is good. Dialogs, separate vote counters etc. are just noise. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I often copy a particular section of a post to put in a comment. A lot of times it's to explain why it doesn't work. Why should I play whack-an-upvote in this case? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The point stands, @Persistence . I fix the formatting in answers too. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Or to copy it to a live playground because the OP did not even bother to do that. Or to edit in/out a stack snippet. How exactly do you propose to account for these cases? This is a high-risk (false positives, complexity, breaking existing working systems) low-reward (no clear benefit over other, less intrusive solutions for promoting rating content more) situation - one which one ideally wants to avoid at all costs — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
They are pretty basic, could be answered after a quick google search or by reading the official docs These arent close reasons. If there is a duplicate in SO, then it could be closed as a duplicate. Upvote/Downvote is really up to the user. — Suraj Rao 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Just like any other question / answer. Is the question on-topic or suitable, or not? Is it a duplicate? Is the answer an actual answer? Etc. Immediately self-answering questions is supported by SO and there is nothing wrong with it in itself. — Jeanne Dark 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Though I know nothing about the technologies tagged, I expect there is a duplicate out there for such a question. VTC/Flag is as a duplicate of that. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Gimby I have to additionally point out that the hamburger has its title attribute set to: "A list of all 178 Stack Exchange sites". Not particularly indicative of the fact that there is chat, log out button, and sometimes a duplication of the user card (!) too... — Oleg Valter 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's a pretty simple duplicate. I cast the last (of 3) close-votes, but apparently that wasn't enough for the dupe banner. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It also has a re-open vote now... — Cerbrus 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Cerbrus yes, I find that is a bit of a weakness with duplicates - two non-dupe votes and one dupe means there is no consensus, so it's not marked as a duplicate. Unless the final vote comes from a dupe hammer. — VLAZ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
@SurajRao & Jeanne: Thx for the clarification - At the time I reviewed the OP the self-answer wasn't present and I VTC'd for 'Needs debugging details' since there was no mvce or any attempt made to solve it. — iLuvLogix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
@VLAZ Pls see my comment in regards to the consensus issue ( two non-dupe votes) in my comment above.. — iLuvLogix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Oh well, the author deleted it... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"It looks like the question was clear enough for the OP to self-answer." But an immediate self-answer in general does not prove that the question is clear. People may just want to publish their answer and then just add some kind of question as a necessary evil. The question itself still needs to be checked and evaluated. It should be suitable in itself and be answerable for other people also. — Jeanne Dark 32 secs ago
 
3:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
My normal routine is to check first wether the OP actually provided a detailed question with an attempt to solve the problem (including code, a minimal example and possible errors encountered) and then check for dupes. I guess I should change the order of my routine to 1. check for dupes and 2. check if any other VTC-reasons apply (obviously spam excluded from this routine). Would you agree or can you provide me with a better strategy? — iLuvLogix 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@iLuvLogix In order to look for dupes, you have to make sure the question is on-topic and clear. Only then you can look for potential dupes. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
Ok - so would you say that my 'Needs debugging details'-VTC was applicable when the immediately provided self-answer wasn't present at the time I reviewed that question? — iLuvLogix 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@iLuvLogix Definitely not. The question was not a debugging question. It doesn't require MCVE or debugging details. This was a how-to question. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
Got you - if the question was on-topic and clear (due to the how-to nature of it) I could have immediatly checked for dupes.. Thx for clarifiying! — iLuvLogix 9 secs ago
 
4:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Praveen Kumar Purushothaman
OMG! Why? Why did my two best mods / friends stepped down? @BoltClock and Bhargav, you both rock. Come back soon as mods! :) — Praveen Kumar Purushothaman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman did you post the same comment twice so we could flag the duplicate as regular users — BoltClock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Praveen Kumar Purushothaman
@BoltClock Yes, for two reasons. 1. You can flag it and do mod again. 2. I wasn't able to tag Bhargav before to notify it. Here I guess both of you get a notification! :P Anyway, very very sad to see you both step down. Reading your story with tears in my eyes. — Praveen Kumar Purushothaman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman oh that actually makes sense, fair enough. Thank you! — BoltClock 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@Lundin I agree that 'highest quality' is a better metric for picking a 'canonical' question, but this seems like your personal policy instead of something that's been more widely agreed upon. I asked this followup about this just now. — Kenny Evitt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Questions can also be duplicates of multiple questions. You can always suggest another dupe candidate in the comments and then someone else might VTC is as a dupe of the other. Or a gold badger might add it, as they can edit the dupe candidates. — Larnu 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@Larnu Of course – this question title explicitly allows for 'multiple duplicates' ('multiplicates') – and of course that happens too. But I'm not asking about the mechanics of closing questions or otherwise marking them as a duplicate of another. I'm asking about some kind of consensus, of which I'm currently ignorant, as to which of some number of duplicates should be the canonical question. I probably just assumed before that it should be the oldest question, but I'm now convinced it should be the 'best' one instead. Do others agree? — Kenny Evitt 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Honestly, I'm not sure it matters too much. VTC the question as a dupe of the question you best think fits the OP's problem. If there are multiple duplicates that all fit that, then personally I would say that the one with the most votes seems a good "tiebreaker", as it's the question/answer that has been the most well received; if you want to VTC as the oldest that fine too but just make sure that it's good quality (some old questions though have a good amount of votes are much lower quality than some more recent ones). — Larnu 1 min ago
 
4:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
A long time ago, in a galaxy far away... NullPointerException. Chapter IV: A New Autoboxing. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@IanKemp Why is there a Facebook or Instagram mobile app then with billions of installs (just checked)? They're just freaking websites after all. I see your point, but I think it might be a bit exaggerated. There might be advantages of a mobile app. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Trilarion like, not having to downgrade the UI for everyone not using mobile to make it usable for mobile — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
Ideally, the canonical question should cover changes for different versions, and it'd be easy enough to add that to the best answer on whatever question 'should' be the canonical one. Still – all else being equal (which, as you point out, it never is) – should we default to picking the oldest question as the canonical one, or should we pick the one we think is 'best'? — Kenny Evitt 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
best, always. How is that even a question? — Kevin B 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I don't tend to look at age when picking a duplicate, @KennyEvitt. If the question is about NPEs, then I use the best NPE question I can find. "Best" can be an objective measure if you look at how well the question is received (upvotes/downvotes ratio) and the quality of the answers attached and how well those are received too. Yes, legwork needs to be done. No, it's not a one-and-done kind of thing. Take your time with it. — Makoto 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The only reason "oldest" was ever thought of as the correct choice is because people inherantly see closure as a form of punishment, and therefore choose to close the "newer" one as a dupe of the "oldest" because the newer one failed to research. That's simply backwards, as we should be driving people to the best answer, not the oldest. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@Larnu Why not add your 'use the one with the most votes' (where I'm guessing you mean upvotes or highest overall vote score) as an answer to this question? That's a reasonable metric to use – a decent proxy for 'best'. But – ignoring practical considerations (which I agree usually 'dominate' others) – you seem to agree that it'd be better to use the 'best' question as the "dupe target". I'm mainly curious whether others agree with that aim. — Kenny Evitt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Most upvotes... is often just a measure of age, and how often people encounter that problem, unfortunately. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Yes, Kenny, my statement should be read as "the one with the most [up]votes". It would be silly to vote on the question with the most [down]votes ;) — Larnu 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
@VScode_fanboy which is me — Someone_who_likes_SE 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@KevinB I don't think that's true of me. I think I defaulted to picking the oldest question as the canonical one because of my background in 'data scrubbing'. And part of that (implicitly) involves retaining/copying any good/accurate newer info from any 'future duplicates'. (Tho it can happen that, practically, retaining a newer version is easier, hence it being only a default.) I've never thought of closing a question (for any reason) as a punishment – my aim (when I've bothered) has been to cleanup the shared resource that is this site. (I agree many others probably feel differently.) — Kenny Evitt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@KevinB Sure, but then 'most upvotes', or even age directly, might be an eminently sensible choice as it would consolidate info on the question that people have and are mostly like to see when they "encounter that problem". — Kenny Evitt 49 secs ago
 
5:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Please don't use bare tags in the title ("...selenium"). Either you don't need it (the tags in the Tags box tell users what technologies are used) or you can use text to incorporate the word more fluently ("... when using Selenium"). Note the change in case; these are trademarks and should be spelled as the company that makes them spells them. — Heretic Monkey 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
I'm constantly critical of SO's business practices, so it's only fair to praise them when they do something right. There are so many pointless apps that should have been better mobile websites... — Tech Inquisitor 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@E_net4thecurator these rants are the same as issue discussed in duplicate - pushing responsibility from company that fails to provide efficient onboarding of newcomers to community which made this site so valuable. Though if you feel it is critically important to have a dupe target specifically address Youtube rant (instead of its essense) then this one would be a precise match: Stack Overflow, what is your response to ForrestKnight's criticism?gnat 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
The community and I can have differing opinions. Happens quite a bit. — user4581301 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@VLAZ If you're suggesting a specific review tool enhancement then that certainly seems viable since it is for the greater good rather than the niche needs of one. I have apparently favorited 3 questions; none of which are immediately obvious as to why I marked them as such. I cannot imagine that having thousands of questions favorited is anything short of information overload. This is really not a technology problem as I stated before. — MonkeyZeus 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
@gnat That other question is a direct debunk of the arguments made by ForrestKnight's "Stack Overflow is full of idiots" video, not Gabe's "The Tyrannical Mods of Stack Overflow" video. Closing this question as a duplicate prevents anyone from even trying to expose the bad takes in the latter. — E_net4 the curator 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
I might as well quote this comment and this one, which also apply here. "But it's just a rant" we had room for a response in ForrestKnight's video, this one is hardly more toxic than the former. — E_net4 the curator 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@TechInquisitor: If you're referring to Stack Overflow developing an app, then 1) you mean "anymore" since they stopped developing it, and 2) it's a bit orthogonal to the discussion (they'd had copycat apps for ages even while the two of theirs were in development). — Makoto 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VScode_fanboy
@Someone_who_likes_SE ping me tomorrow, I will check and reply. — VScode_fanboy 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
@Makoto Then even more praise for not falling victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They're setting a very good example for other companies to follow. (cougheverybankcough) Designing a good mobile site means there's less incentive for anyone to create or seek out those copycat apps that may lead to security headaches. — Tech Inquisitor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlie Armstrong
While this particular app looks like a scam, I don't see what's wrong with somebody publishing a Stack Overflow app. Maybe some people like having an app for everything they use. Just because it's not the official app made by Stack Exchange, Inc. doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. — Charlie Armstrong 44 secs ago
 
6:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ryanwebjackson
For anyone unaware, there have been official StackOverflow and StackExchange (SE) apps in the past. I used the official SE app until recently (my phone ran out of space). If anyone is still using these, if they work on your device, I think that is fine. They're just not officially supported, should any issues arise. — ryanwebjackson 1 min ago
 
7:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
"Are articles allowed to be off-topic?" - Your answer skirts the issue the community really cares about. Are the articles required to be on-topic as described by the help center? Whitespace placement styles are "related" to C programming, but not on-topic in any SO post. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica - can you propose language that you think is better? — Philippe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
That's a pretty simple yes or no question... which I suppose I now have an answer for. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
Let me rephrase then: Would you please propose language that you think is better? — Philippe ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Are third party apps illegal under SE TOS? What exactly would be the valid reason to report to Google? — TheMaster 13 secs ago
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@IanKemp An app can use less data than a website because of not having to load HTML or assets; it can talk to the site's API directly. I'm sure there are plenty of mobile users who would like to install an app and update it when they have a free internet connection over wifi, in order to use less data at other times. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Stackapps.com has a list of third party apps. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@TheMaster It's not an SE TOS thing. It's a "You have no idea what that app is actually doing" thing. Which is a major problem Google Play has. I reported it as a "copycat" app. — Machavity ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@TheMaster The valid reason to report it to Google is that it violates their policy on impersonation: "We don’t allow apps that mislead users by impersonating someone else (e.g. another developer, company or entity) or another app. Don’t imply that your app is related to or authorised by someone when it isn’t. Be careful not to use app icons, descriptions, titles or in-app elements that could mislead users about your app’s relationship to someone else or another app."kaya3 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
This app's name is just "Stack Overflow" (albeit with incorrect capitalisation), and it uses the Stack Overflow icon, so it appears to be pretty plainly against Google's rules for the Google Play app store. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
the downfall of the collectives unwanted unliked and not needed — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
IMO, the "Please check out Philippe's post to participate in the conversation." needs to be far more prevalent in this post. We know they're a revenue stream and that was never an issue, our concerns were the ones that would be addressed in Philippe's post, which... got a single sentence at the end of this. I was reading through this hoping for good news and it took til reaching the end to get a link to where what is important to me will actually be. — Nick 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I still fail to see how they are anything more than sponsored tags 2.0. What value, at all, has it brought to the community that couldn't have existed without it? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Another potential gap you appear to have missed, reputation gains/losses don't appear to fit in very well with what articles are expected to be (especially if you plan on allowing the occasional "thanks" article), and also are a potential route for reputation which is (as of present) restricted to a very small subset of the user base. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@kaya3 I believe you should add it as a answer. While those are certainly policy violations and it should be reported as such, I've checked the app's privacy policy, which suggests it doesn't send PII information out of the device. There are no unneeded permissions either. The app description also says it's a "ui app for stackoverflow" and doesn't claim to be a official app. I'm guessing the app author has no knowledge of "what constitutes impersonation". — TheMaster 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
A simple, explicit, "within the greater, already established scope of SO" thrown in there will be reassuring. The rest of the rules seem to reaffirm that, at least. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Still, though... why articles at all? What is an article giving us that a Q&A can't do better? — Kevin B 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@TheMaster I have done so. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Thanks for addressing the community's concerns. However, it looks like there's still a lot of work ahead of you. These gaps you have identified are serious issues. I would love to see Articles expand into something useful - they have the potential to - but before it happens these gaps must be addressed. — Dharman 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bella_Blue
I couldn't have said it better @Machavity. In short: We are aware and we have done everything within our purview in regards to this app. To be abundantly clear, we are not affiliated with it, so please use caution. — Bella_Blue ♦ 53 secs ago
 
8:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Put another way. Why all the smoke and mirrors? Sponsored tags isn't really a service people seem to have much of an issue with. why does this service, which in it's purest form gets a company's logo on as many pages as possible, need to be presented as something it's not? — Kevin B 34 secs ago
 
9:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Thanks @PraveenKumarPurushothaman, I'll definitely think about coming back once I find out that I have enough time for this. :) — Bhargav Rao 1 min ago
 
9:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I'd argue the one niche articles would fill most appropriately would be announcements, the one thing that's been outlawed entirely. Announcements, Advertorials, etc. Things that 100% do not belong in Q&A. — Kevin B 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Praveen Kumar Purushothaman
Yayy! Thanks @BhargavRao! 😁 — Praveen Kumar Purushothaman 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
First and foremost: thank you for following up on the promise to come back with the discussion about guidelines and principles of articles, this is appreciated, especially after the concerning development with infomercial articles following Intel joining the fray. The list looks reasonable, but there is a guideline that is concerning - 2.9. It would be nice to know what would be considered "excessive or undisclosed" and whether an article can be considered overly promoting not only the author, but the company behind the collective (and if not - why?). — Oleg Valter 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
I predict whois is about to get a bunch of lookups for sanson.com (which is naturally redacted). I do also wonder if <domainabuse@tucows.com> will get some complaints, too. — Michael 56 secs ago
 
10:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"We are a for-profit company." Sure but why emphasize it here? As a user I really care much less about the exact amount of proftability of SO and why should I? I will certainly use the product if it's good and if not I won't use it. The burden to balance usability and revenue should mostly be on the company, I think. I'm happy to give feedback and if you don't like it feel free to ignore it. This announcement feels a bit strange in how it comes across, a tiny bit aggressive and very defensive at the same time. I can only say that I respect your approach and hope your expectations come true. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Herohtar
@kaya3 That's why caching exists. If the mobile site is designed properly it shouldn't use much more data than an app. — Herohtar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Just to be 100% sure, this is not irony? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dada
This post insists quite a bit on the "we are a for-profit company" and "this is not a democracy" aspects of SO. An acknowledgment that this is only possible thanks to the thousands of volunteers who answer questions would have been appreciated. Nothing too fancy, just a "thanks" somewhere in the post... Still, it's nice to have some transparency. — Dada 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Trilarion well of course it's not irony, we assume good faith for a reason. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
10:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MegaIng
@Trilarion "Sure but why emphasize it here?" -> Because that is part the motivation for Collectives, and some users (apparently including you) don't want to acknowledge that SO has to cater to investors and make money somehow. "SO needs profit" is the primary reason why Collectives will stay, even with negative feedback. That is what this announcement is supposed to explain. — MegaIng 55 secs ago
 
11:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
So, this pretty much kills any of the Stack Exchange sites that were devoted to a particular subject? Like Drupal Answers or Joomla and all those? Because why would Drupal or Joomla sponsor a Collective when they already have their own SE sites? In fact, why didn't Google just create a Google Cloud Stack Exchange? Less overhead I suppose. After all, with Collectives, they pay SO, Inc. for the icon and that's basically all they have to do. No need to get moderators or anything like that. Okay, Collectives are a lazy corp's SE site :). — Heretic Monkey 38 secs ago
 
11:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Okay, many thanks for the clarification. Couldn't believe it initially. Makes my first comment redundant. — Trilarion 26 secs ago
 

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