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12:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Yes OP could have asked you to do that, but they aren't required to do so. All they need to do is to give credit to the original comment writer. — Tom 1 min ago
 
12:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lady Aleena
I would be asking about file naming conventions, more specifically Perl module naming conventions. I am unsure of what to name a group of files, but I have several options that I am considering. I would like to know which way I should go that could be less headache inducing later. — Lady Aleena 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
Let it burn! But keep cytoscape.jsS.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tidorith
Particularly egregious example here: stackoverflow.com/questions/5611963 Title asks if duplicate HTMLIDs can happen, but the body asks if it's valid. Both are yes or no questions, but first answer is yes and the second answer is no. Some contention in the answers and comments is reflective of this. — Tidorith 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Also, add that making trivial edits to push it into the review queue is a waste of time, and should be avoided. Add the text "Please don't make trivial edits, try to make the question free from these problems". — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@10Rep I think that would be a good addition to a help center page somewhere, but it's probably not significant enough to put in the few sentences of a post notice. I think part of the problem with people making trivial edits right now is that they don't know that it pushes it into the review queue (which for edits from people other than the asker, it really shouldn't). If they wanted a longer post notice, I'd recommend a bulleted list similar to the one in my answer here that gives slightly more detail. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I can’t imagine any way to ask such question to make it non opinion based. — Alexei Levenkov 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lady Aleena
So, my question would be off-topic here. Thank you. And John, my mouse double-clicked on accident, so my up-vote was removed, and I can't put it back in. Sorry. — Lady Aleena 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
The others who voted that way likely did get suspended—thousands of reviewers were. Reading between the lines a bit here, I suspect the 256 day suspension was a bug in a script that was only intended to suspend for a shorter period of time. Additionally, the moderators have so far unsuspended every single person I've seen suspended for this upon request once they acknowledge that they now understand what "Requires editing" means. — Ryan M 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@TimPost Thanks for re-enabling this, it's nice to see this feature back. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 30 secs ago
 
2:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Graviton
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@jps - that warrants its own thread :) Bang bang, today's catch is thanks+: stackoverflow.com/search?q=%22thanks+thanks%22 (in a better world this should count as serail thanking) — Oleg Valter 42 secs ago
 
2:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
 
3:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte Also accepted answers/questions with answers cannot be deleted. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
The edit is proposing something entirely different from what the original answer says. Better to put it in a separate answer or make a comment suggesting that OP edit to include the other method. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
 
3:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F. Müller
@CertainPerformance Yes it is different, but the question asked for the latter actually, so this was probably some kind of workaround in the first place. But If I had to choose, I would have gone for: "this should be a comment rather than an edit" and reject it. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. — F. Müller 1 min ago
 
 
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4:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
I'm with @MichaelKay on this one. The review process causes more pain than it's worth. There seem to be loads of hurdles in place to sabotage the efforts of people who are trying to help out. I figured that Stack Overflow simply don't want me reviewing stuff - so I have permanently refrained. — Dawood ibn Kareem 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Just downvote and flag for closure. Images of code or errors never belong in questions. If it's a legitimate image, edit the question to make the image appear properly inline. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Please, do not add noise to the question. If you want to explain how the question is not a duplicate, do so. Just stating it is not useful. Asking users to "read carefully" is condescending and not useful. Assume people are reading as carefully as they can. — yivi 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi I don't think it's a noise, because the very same question has be linked already several times. So, it's not really fascinating to write the same text to each particular user, and this note helps to preface the text, so that people are aware what it doesn't duplicate. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi could you just leave this question as I post it and stop spamming with permanent edits please? — Giorgi Tsiklauri 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The site is a collaborative effort. Third party edits are to be expected. If you want to explain how why this question is not a duplicate, do so. You are not doing it with that note. You are just stating it. Better just say "question A and its answers are about X and my question is about Y". Asking users to "read carefully" is condescending and noisy. If users are voting to close for different reasons, assume not that they are not reading carefully, but that there may be some clarification needed on your part. — yivi 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi the reason why I state to read carefully is that there have been votes which redirect this to completely unrelated question, which makes me (quite logically) think, that people just skimmed the text. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi I'm not sure what else can I say with respect to clarity, as I've described the problem quite thoroughly. I know that the site is a collaborative effort, just if I have edited x times the question and you keep modifying it persistently, that means you don't really consider what OP might have in mind. Do you see any clarification I may add up here for the betterment sake? — Giorgi Tsiklauri 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, you are not EXPLAINING why the other question is not a duplicate. Simply say "suggested duplicate is about X, and my question is about Y". You need not to say, but to show. I edited the question only two or three times, and because you keep adding noise to the question. Your last request about "please read carefully" was simply not kind. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Also, when asking questions about UI and UX, using screenshots (properly annotated with arrows to point out the problematic areas) can do wonders for other users to understand your question and the behaviour you are seeing. You should be thorough on explaining the problem itself, and succinct when talking about anything not the problem. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi well, I think you're quite subjective here, and bringing the even more noise to this discussion now, as read this carefully has nothing unkind or offensive. Maybe it's your own prejudice and not the global point of view? also, if there is question X and question Y, why shall I EXPLAIN what is the difference when questions themselves have this as a content? in that case, you would've said that redundant explanations are bringing noise, as it's already stated what those questions are about. Screenshots are absolutely irrelevant here, because I can't screenshot whole 99 tags I ignore. — Giorgi Tsiklauri just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
But, anyhow.. the last edit works for me. So, thank you and consider being more objective and polite to others on this platform. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The last edit was simply to show you how easy was to actually explain what you needed to explain, but rejected to. The rest of the question could use some improvement, but that's up to you if you want to question to be better understood by other users. Good luck, bye. — yivi 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
How is the asker going to know there's issues with their post if they can't see the votes? The problem is that people are taking votes personally, this does not fix that. — ivarni just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@yivi, mate, there are billions of people here, and each of us have different point of view. I have done in the way you ask, in the past, and I have received a contrary opinion, that it's noisy to point out obvious things, like what those questions contain, as user can simply open the question and see that it's a different one. I'm also not sure, if I'd have done so, what would've been your reaction then.. to offer me that it's noisy and I should not duplicate the contents of the questions? it's not about rejection, but it's about context. Anyhow, as I said, thank you and Good luck, bye. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@ivarni Comments are for that.*If downvotes reach -3, a custom notification should be sent to the asker: If there are comments, "Your question seems to be received poorly by the community. Consider improving it by addressing comments under your question"* — TheMaster 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@HugoRune stackoverflow.com (in both cases, from mobile and Desktop). — Giorgi Tsiklauri 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HugoRune
what full URL are you using to view the questions, stackoverflow.com/questions or stackoverflow.com ? both behave differently. — HugoRune 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HugoRune
what happens if you switch between mobile and full version of the site on the same browser, by clicking on the link in the footer? do hidden questions then show up in the desktop browser, or do questions disappear in the mobile browser? — HugoRune 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HugoRune
when looking at a specific question that should be hidden, does it have any of your favourite tags in addition to the ignored tags? — HugoRune 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'd speculate that users would be creating secondary accounts just to be able to see the votes on their Answers. When someone downvotes my Answer, I'd like to see if I can fix it as early as possible. Not wait until it's already at -3. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I don''t care what the reputation level of the privilege would be. I'd still be creating an account just to reach that level, so I could use it just for this purpose. — Scratte 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte Threshold can change. It is not the issue. -2 or -1 would be ok. And secondary accounts need at least "View New Votes" privilege. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@HugoRune I checked it now for one question and it kind of disappeared.. when I switched to the full site. So, maybe that works, but I think I need to assert this by checking a bit more. However, I still see grayed out questions in the list.. and that tag (laravel) question, disappeared after I ignored that on Desktop and refreshed browser in mobile device. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte Not many do that right. How many users have secondary accounts? And "Why the downvote" frenzy is usually thrown by new users. Even if you can view those votes with a secondary account, You can't/won't really ask "Why the downvotes"? The feature request is intended to reduce the problem and not completely eradicate it. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
So you suggest to try last autumn’s experiment again? Any particular reason why it should succeed now? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
I have a userscript for that: LightboxImagesSamuel Liew ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@yivi Here the real score is only hidden from the asker and not the experts. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
the exception is if it was a CW answer — Samuel Liew ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte Pretty pessimistic. ain't you? Maybe Life will be fair. Anyway, even if you see the downvotes, you're just going to ask ""Can anyone suggest improvements or corrections to this?"". Like I said , increase the barrier to see downvotes by new users. Benefits outweigh risks. — TheMaster 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@AlexeiLevenkov Could you link please? — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Lying to users will not end well, even if you decorate it with 'being economical with the truth':( — Martin James 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
@SamuelLiew: yes, good point. My answer is written specifically about the edit in question, but it's worth pointing out that the advice doesn't generalize to Community Wiki answers. I will edit the above to reflect that. — Peter Duniho 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@MartinJames I'm not saying show "0". Just a blank space instead of 0 or even a explicit notification: "Votes are hidden for 3 days". Lying is bad. I agree with being honest. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte But we do hide close votes from new users. Don't we? — TheMaster 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
If nothing happens on my post, I'd wonder if it's because nothing is happening, or if the truth is hidden from me. There's no good reason to make users speculate. We also don't hide from users that their Questions are closed, because they should know, right? So they can fix it. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Yes, we hide close votes to users under 250 reputation points. Which, if you ask me, is not the right way to do it. I comment on posts for this reason.. so they know something is wrong with it as early as possible. — Scratte 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Scratte So comment. This changes nothing. If someone wants to leave feedback, they will. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roshin Raphel
@SamuelLiew Thank you — Roshin Raphel 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Facts! LOVE IT. Love facts. Let's look at em. If the filter you link to (for those not wanting to click, its "which is better closed:yes") shows your point, then the inverse shows you are wrong. closed:no results in 200,000 posts, of which the topmost have several thousand votes. — Travis J 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Let's dig further, past the sort of naive point you made, and into some really interesting facts about Stack Overflow. Stack Overflow, when it is working properly, is relying heavily on experts to share their knowledge. RTFM trended for a long time because experts don't want to just regurgitate documentation, they want to show you how its done so you can be better. Often, they are trying to explain the best method to use. You will find this from famous book authors, to language authors, to renowned professors. — Travis J just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@AlexeiLevenkov I'm suggesting just the opposite. Show everyone the score except the asker. That testing is different from this. Therefore the results will be infinitely better. — TheMaster 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Closing that avenue as "opinion based" is just absurd. You can literally see the decline in expert participation here as a result. It is palpable. — Travis J 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HugoRune
I cannot find the setting "Hide questions in your ignored tags", either from a mobile browser or a desktop browser, so I cannot reproduce this. From searching google it seems there used to be such a setting, maybe it was removed? — HugoRune 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F. Müller
Good, so this means I was not that far off after all. Mind elaborating on the significance of deviation from the original thought? What is not significant i.e. acceptable in general in your opinion? — F. Müller 1 min ago
 
6:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@HugoRune see this. — Giorgi Tsiklauri 31 secs ago
 
7:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
A problem I have with "reviewed by the community" is that the first, and only the first, edit after closure puts it in the queue. This means that if the OP, let alone someone else, edits cosmetics (e.g. grammar) it goes into the queue, remains closed, and no amount of editing will put it back in the queue. This is a different problem that the wording here, but important nonetheless. I wrote a more extensive argumentation in this answer. — Adriaan 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@41686d6564 I agree that real culprit are post notices, but suggestions to change post notices were not accepted. I would be more than happy to see that original issue resolved. That does not mean that "How to ask" page could not be additionally improved, too. — Dalija Prasnikar 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Because one of the reasons for downvoting is lack of research, and if you already know what the OP should have looked up their question is trivial to answer. That's what makes it low-value. — jonrsharpe 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
Can also repro on a high-res display (looks fine on a 96ppi one), regression range: hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/… though I don't see a clear culprit there... — Kaiido 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
To add a tiny bit, whenever someone says better and then defines better, he may as well leave better out and replaces it with the given definition. Better is as unnecessary as thanks. Editing "better" out can only improve questions. — Trilarion 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"But why do I see it?" - To encourage you to sign up to the newsletter? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm not seeing this. But I set all email stuff to off, except "Inbox" which I set to "weekly". — Scratte 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Maybe we should replace "what's better" with "what's are best practices" or "what are commonly used approaches and pitfalls to ..."? The second problem is that everyone would be able to answer these questions, not only the experts whose informed opinion one would actually trust but also everyone else. You would also get lots of uninformed opinions. The community seems to be very much set against these questions, although they may be helpful. Maybe have a certain class of questions that only experts are allowed to answer? — Trilarion 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
It does seem to me that this answer from one of the duplicates does answer this question. — Robert Longson 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Or at the very least better guidance how to convert a strongly opinion-based question into a less so, ontopic question. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RobertLongson Thanks for the comment. The linked answer states "that they are a signal for people answering the question". The answer goes on to explain how people answering the question might be get troubled, if downvotes are not shown to them. My question fully advocates showing the score to the people answering the question. It only asks that the score be hidden from the person asking the question. This way the intent of votes being about content rating remains and not as a feedback to the person asking the question. Thank you — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Braiam I mostly meant that people may not guess more specific tag names right in a search. But it's fine. Just tried to add tags and they display all variants where rotation is part of when typing it in. — Trilarion 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
We downvote that which is bad, not useful and by extension poorly researched. Answering such a question, if it is possible, is usually just a google/bing thing, you don't even need to know much about the subject matter to be able to do it. (disclaimer: and you shouldn't do it) — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
@OlegValter Ok So you want me to create another thread, hmmmmm, thanks a million for the idea it's aperciated, but no thnaks ;-) — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Unclear questions are often "easy" to answer, if you're willing to just throw out guesses. However, that's not how this site works. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
It honestly look like a simple kid riddle: "What is downvoted and easy to answer?" But the answer is tricky: It could be either a duplicate question, a typo question, a poor question. All of those are closable. If I choose one of those specific answer for the riddle, you can easly swap to an other question with the other reason. But the trick does not stop there. Closable question should be close. But close stop the ability to answer. So it's not easy to answer anymore. — xdtTransform 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@Nick, I won't. But my question is about ad. I don't recall seeing it before. Shall I now aks for feature request to remove this ad (if it's a new thing)? Do I miss some new setting, etc. ? — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
I'm not trying to be punny. When facing easy question, it should be normal to try to find why it's easy. Most of the time it turns out that the question is poor or closable. For some users that exact question never cross their mind. I think no matter the level of expertise facing an easy question we should at least try to reformulate in a search engigne to see if we didn't miss some easy dupe. — xdtTransform 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@Nick, ah ok then. So it's me. I guess I simply pay more attention to that area now because of Hot Meta posts. — Sinatr 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
The ad is 9 years old: "There will be an occasional sidebar ad if you haven't signed up"Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Adriaan I believe we are in agreement here: my post that I linked in my previous comment makes a very similar argument. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
How do you know that user's gender? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
From that answer... "These signals are especially important to new users who don't know what makes for a good question on Stack Overflow" Don't just selectively quote the bits that make your own point, read the bits that actually answer your question too. — Robert Longson 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nzall
In the future, just do what I do, and abstain from any review activity. I still hold that the current Stack Overflow system of community moderation is fundamentally flawed. I constantly get notifications in chat from VERY offensive messages with no way to opt out. — Nzall 8 secs ago
 
9:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RobertLongson Do I have to look at every answer and bits of those deviating from the original flow of the answerer to prove this is not a duplicate. The question is clearly not a duplicate. — TheMaster 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RobertLongson Of the 5 paragraphs in the answer, 3 of them are only about * the people answering the question*. The first one as said above, the second: "if you spend time writing an answer now, it may be for naught, the fifth: Don't make people waste their time trying to figure out if something is good or bad. I don't see how I am the one picking the bits. The fourth one also says: Stack Overflow gets way too much chaff, suggesting the third one isn't working properly. Also repeatedly downv. qts don't make it to the front page(votes hidden or otherwise). — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
At -14 you may want to accept that the horse is dead and that further flogging will be ineffective i.e. even if you get this reopened, roomba will likely delete it. — Robert Longson 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RobertLongson I'm sorry, but I can't. Even if there's a small chance of revival, I want to give it a shot. So, If I've convinced you at least a bit, consider reopening the question. Thank you — TheMaster 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You haven't convinced me at all I'm afraid. Providing feedback to the question asker as soon as possible so they can fix their question is a good thing. Making that less effective is a bad idea. — Robert Longson 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@RobertLongson Comments are for feedback to the questioner.. Voting is for feedback to future viewers. This is the consensus as I can see. So mixing comments and voting mandates are a bad idea. — TheMaster 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
I understand your position and would like to discuss it. However, what I meant was If I've convinced you that this is not a duplicate, consider reopening. You might think a proposal is a very bad idea. But that's not a reason to close it. Is it? — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@F.Müller keep it simple. If you change the meaning of an existing answer (or question for that matter), you're doing it wrong. Edits should help to make the existing better, not to make the existing different. — Gimby 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Darius
Adapting the answer to fit my question, by "testing" I should understand to foresee every possible scenario and compare advantages and disadvantages and then decide between evaluations. That kind of work would unveil the answer making me not having to ask anymore. Regarding my specific case, the answers given are sufficiently satisfying for me and the answer of @Alexei Levenkov covers the broader sense of this meta question. — Darius 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Can't it be both? Both a signal to new questions posters AND answerers? Is that so difficult to accept? If it's useful for both, it's just sensible to show it to both. And... You seem open to move the threshold for custom notifications to -1. Which means as soon as the question is downvoted, the new user will know about it. It's.... Not a big change from where we are, ultimately. Just... Convoluted for very little reason imho — Patrice 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Patrice It can be both. But downvotes create a unnecessary problem as mentioned. Even if there was a custom notification sent by the system, It won't have the same effect as one or more downvotes on the user. Furthermore, What's wrong with just making it about 1 instead of mixing. The downvote says nothing except that something is wrong. Why can't we just use comments for that? Is the separation that bad a idea? — TheMaster 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by djvg
Would be neat if each answer had an initial_views to store the number of views the question had at the time the answer was created. — djvg 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@MrPaulDriver I assume you mean: 'Im saying I'm a newbie, ppl should be nicer'. But that's not how stack works. It's how ppl assume stack works, so they post stuff like this. Then it doesn't change and they get angry. You need to realize Stack isn't there to answer questions and teach people. It's a side effect of the very clear goal: build a high quality repository of programming content. With low noise, and with a lot of searchability for the future. 'help I'm new I dunno how to do X' is a question for a mentor/tutor. Not a q&a site like stack. It's not BAD. It just is. — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
I don't see how 'hiding the votes' makes the voting system less about the user. It's just hiding information from ppl who would get a benefit from seeing it. Yes sometimes users will go on a rampage. But I've seen enough meta post to realize: to some of these users, nothing short of a workable code, a cup of coffee, and a kiss on their ass will make them happy. No matter what you show/hide, if they don't get a copypasta code, they'll lose their mind. So we hide data from ppl who need it for a couple of spoiled apples who'd complain anywayPatrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
You're slowly moving into the "comments should accompany downvotes" forest and we burned that down a long time ago. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@ivarni Rather I'm moving into comments= feedback to user. Voting = feedback to others. Don't mix. Vote for it others to see the content's rating. Comments for feedback to the user. I really don't see how you get the idea "comments should accompany downvotes". Rather comments should never accompany votes. That's what I'm saying. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254121/…TheMaster 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@themaster but.... Votes are BOTH. That's what I was telling you. They are as much feedback for the poster as they are for the answerers. — Patrice 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
You need to also consider UWP application. From my view, it seems that the only way is to create [*-navigationview]. All three examples I've found are big topics all on their own. Of course, we could also do without them and use instead [swiftui] [winui] and [material-components-android] which is the higher level these live under. — Braiam 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Patrice We're hiding the votes, because votes are not meant to provide feedback to the author. It provides no "actionable" information to the author. Comments are meant to provide feedback. Let's use this for this and that for that. The whole point is to remove useless feedback and consequent rampage. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by armagedescu
It is as illegal, but does not have yet regulations, a loophole. The regulations are developing but little slower than internet, a good example GDPR. — armagedescu 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam On the other hand if you look at [tabview] it's used in Android, SwiftUI and JSF. And its description is more general: Any visual layout that incorporates selectable tabs as an organizational element.pawello2222 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Yes. But it is not "actionable". So almost pointless. You know people has something against you, but not enough to to do anything about it, except ask in the comments, which are promptly removed by moderators. We can avoid this whole fiasco by hiding votes just for a brief period. Since comments suggest proper feedback, let's use only that to provide feedback just for a few days. Voting can be used as a pure content rating system till then. — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
If Navigation View refers to the same UI component in all the different usages, then having a single navigationview is the correct way to go. If they refer to different things in android, swift and windows, then use the prefix based tags. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@Patrice But I've seen enough meta post to realize: to some of these users, nothing short of a workable code, a cup of coffee, and a kiss on their ass will make them happy. No matter what you show/hide, if they don't get a copypasta code, they'll lose their mind. So we hide data from ppl who need it for a couple of spoiled apples who'd complain anyway But they won't complain as they don't know they have received downvotes. By just delaying the time required to see the votes, we create a clear division between comments and votes — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@pawello2222 having a bad tag shouldn't be used to allow yet another bad tag. Tags are not keywords, they should be meaningful, unambiguous and concrete, something both examples you present aren't. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
No @BhargavRao if that were the case, we should have one tag: programming, since at the end that's the thing that means the same for all things asked here (that are not off topic). If anything, I prefer not having a tag than generic tags. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam I understand what you're saying - but assuming that SwiftUI questions should be tagged [swiftui-navigationview] then what is [navigationview]? Shouldn't it be [android-navigationview]? And even then new questions [navigationview] will be created anyway. — pawello2222 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
I'm not saying that we need to have a generic tag like [ui-component] for all the UI components, @Braiam. Having a single [navigationview] makes the most sense here if it is the same component in all the different usages. Having prefixed tags just for the sake of it, would make the tags too narrow, and undiscoverable soon. We've been through this a lot of times, and you seem to be very obstinate about this. Prefixed tags are fine, if navigationview was different in the different cases, which however, seems to be unlikely. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@BhargavRao Ideally yes, but suppose tomorrow there will be a new NavigationView component in some other framework which will refer to something else than in SwiftUI/Android. I'd prefer to have [swiftui-navigationview] for SwiftUI questions but I can't force anyone to use it - I'd need to maually retag most questions (and I can't retag them inline yet). — pawello2222 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
That's the thing Bhargav, your word has weight. If you don't care either way, don't put your weight behind these "solutions" that just create more tags for the sake of it. Tags have a purpose and if that purpose wouldn't be advanced by the operations we do with tags, then why should we do anything with them? — Braiam 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Yes, I'm suggesting that. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@BhargavRao Ok, so you're suggesting to change the [navigationview] description to be more universal. Am I right? — pawello2222 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
If that's the case, then we can change it when such a thing occurs, @pawello2222. We don't need to make changes right now hoping that someone sometime in the future would create something like that. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
You don't need to remove and retag, we can just merge the two tags and it would be automatically retagged. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
BTW, we already said that HMLT tags don't require their own tags. Every burnination about a html element that can't survive outside of the html specification (svg, for example) made that abundantly clear. — Braiam 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@BhargavRao Does it also mean [swiftui-navigationview] should be removed and its questions retagged to [navigationview]? — pawello2222 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
I would like to wait for some community consensus before taking any hasty decisions. Let's see what others want to say about this. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
This isn't just confined to closed questions - I have seen questions reposted because they haven't been answered (or the answers / feedback are not to the asker's satisfaction) after an hour or two. — snakecharmerb 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@BhargavRao Ok, please merge them. — pawello2222 1 min ago
 
11:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@snakecharmerb True, but things got much worse since close notices changed. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Currently tagged oldest-and-visible-publicly question: stackoverflow.com/questions/378134/…. Looks like a common term for "Windows desktop application", e.g. WinForms, WPF... — Andrew T. 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
depends on frequency I guess. Once every 6 to 8 years should be okay. Every 6 to 8 months ... really? Every 6 to 8 weeks ... what? Every 6 to 8 days ... Get out! Every 6 to 8 minutes .... suspension. — rene 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Well, one is too many. — Martin James 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arakkal Abu
@rene I like that "Get out!" :) — Arakkal Abu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
On the other hand I'm thinking now that the [navigationview] tag will have no use on its own. You can't just search by [navigationview] - you need to include a platform tag ([android] etc) as well. Is this the right approach? — pawello2222 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
No pawello, I said that maybe we don't need a tag for each common or specific term of every language. For example, do you really believe that there's something to be gained to create a tag for every swiftui element, small and big? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Well, you also made the other part of the argument yourself pawello, if there's no [navigationview] (in any of its form) is anything lost? — Braiam 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam No, but there is [navigationview] already and it's used incorrectly. I'd like to do something about it. I don't know what's better. But I know the current way is wrong. — pawello2222 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I believe you can "do it yourself" by updating the email from your other account so they have the same email. See By updating my job email settings, I have accidentally merged 2 accounts, how do I undo the merge?. If it was me though, I'd probably test it with something other than my high-reputation account first :) Note that the oldest account is considered the account to merge to. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@AndrewT., thanks. Haven't thought to check very first post to figure it out. Any hints of what should happen? Shall I edit wiki myself (never did it)? Should it stay like it is? Should it be burninated? Did I did a wrong thing to ask on meta and should rather just ignore tags I don't understand and without info? — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam There might be in Android. I don't know how it's used in relation to Android questions. What I know is that it's used incorrectly in SwiftUI questions and I'd like to resolve it. — pawello2222 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Well, that's the question that needs to be followed up and discussed with the community though... the term "WinApp" itself is not really popular on Google (or I failed miserably with how a search engine works), resulting in different expectation. — Andrew T. 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Seems like at least a part of these questions refer to appium and their winapp driver, if it's just an application for Windows it could get added as a synonym of windowsErik A 21 secs ago
 
12:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
In any case, This question should not have been closed as a duplicate of bunch of similar looking questions especially When I've explained how it is distinctly different from all those questions and none of you say otherwise. You can disagree with me and think the proposed idea is really bad. None of those reasons are valid for closing the question. — TheMaster 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
 
12:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Again, if it was removed from all questions, would that solve your issue with swiftui questions? — Braiam 57 secs ago
 
1:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F. Müller
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I will keep this in mind. In fact, I agree with you. I felt the same but I wanted to hear some other opinions. — F. Müller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam Yes, this tag is useful (when combined with platform tag) but not necessary. However, if we remove this tag now, it will probably be created again in the near future. I thought this question was easier when I posted it... — pawello2222 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
I recommend you to read the create tag help page: "you should only create new tags when you feel you can make a strong case that your question covers a new topic that nobody else has asked about before on this site." If swiftui is enough to cover navigationview, and you can't make a strong case about it, it probably shouldn't have been created in the first place. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim Post
Sorry that kept taking longer than we thought it would. I'm glad it's finally back. — Tim Post ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mystical
Thank you. There I said it. I honestly don't know why this site hates the phrase "thank you" in comments, considering the fact that a lot of comments posted by new users who don't know any better are just as useless as that phrase. Just ignore it. There are a lot of low-quality questions that haven't been closed and a lot of low quality and useless comments that haven't been removed. You can't force everything to be perfect. — Mystical 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
What about the case where unprefixing a tag makes it ambiguous? It seems that people is cherry picking that without the "remove ambiguous and misused tags ruthlessly" qualifier. BTW, I prefer unambigousness over everything. If that makes a tag with two prefixes, maybe we don't need the root tag and just use the prefix. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
having it temporarily displayed in the featured list is hardly a solution to the problem... instead i'd say this should be featured because it's a discussion/feature request that hopes to improve upon that problem. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@Braiam I understand - so the best solution is to change the description of [navigationview] to be more universal and merge [swiftui-navigationview] into [navigationview] - am I right? — pawello2222 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@CertainPerformance And yet, the answer was deleted by a mod! FWIW, I do agree that it's a useful answer. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
@41686d6564 I've pinged, hopefully he can come and contribute to the discussion — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
 
2:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Close the question. Sounds like closing as unclear might be just as reasonable as needs debugging details. — Robert Longson 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The close vote should have been cast much earlier — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I don't think this should be burninated. It has a JS API, an R package, and one could develop their own way to program with Cytoscape (it's open source). Seems enough of a reason to have a single tag experts could follow that have a broad understanding of Cytoscape internals/programming with it. — Erik A 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If it feels like a waste of time, move on to more productive pursuits. Not every post is salvageable. Not every user can be helped. Remember to use your votes. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Other possible candidates: One; Two; ThreeTylerH 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Downvote if you feel it's appropiate and close vote. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
HP Quality Center is actually called Micro Focus Quality Center now, it seems. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Focus_Quality_Center - we may need to create a new tag for that and then synonymize HPQC to it. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by joe
Thanks folks. I voted to close. — joe 14 secs ago
 
3:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
PS, you can further refine your list by using this list instead (added some tags that always indicate QC means the HP / Micro Focus QC) stackoverflow.com/…TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
No, the opposite: remove the tag. Don't think in binary, there are many options: nothing, disambiguate, rename, delete. You can propose any of those. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I have gone through your list and removed the QC tag from the few questions that weren't about this subject. The tag is now ready to be synonymized. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Unfortunately, some posters cannot supply the details asked for because they just copied code and did not design, author, compile, link, test or debug anything. Others are just homework scammers - just taking money from marks and reposting to SO. Ask once and, if no sane reply, just down/close/delete vote:( — Martin James 1 min ago
 
3:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@smci so, neither table nor *.table should be tags? — Braiam 1 min ago
 
4:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
No thanks. As an SO curator, I can see ways in which this could go horribly wrong:( — Martin James 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
This would be too politicized. lets just stick to programming — Kevin B 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I almost tagged this facebook ... — rene 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anindya Prithvi
@deceze Now 6 :P — Anindya Prithvi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andreas
It’s the «Looking for a job?» box that’s supposed to go there. It shows up in the sidebar (bottom) on my phone, in desktop mode. — Andreas 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Just adblock it, nothing useful shows up there anyway. — Kevin B 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Andreas Interesting. I zapped "Job Recommendations" from the profile page. Maybe there's a connection. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Andreas It doesn't show up for me even when I don't have any addons running. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It is where the Hotter Questions go. None were found ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"like reading just the headlines on the news." - you can still tell "Man shares 5 secrets to getting rich - banks hate him" is clickbait and likely a scam in under 2 seconds. Similarly, a lot of high-rep users are able to determine quality accurately just by looking at certain common features low-quality questions share. Depending on the question, it might also be an obvious domain-specific dupe, could lack an MCVE, image of code... lots of things could be wrong that makes the problem easy to spot, and a fast downvote valid. — Zoe 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you're talking about your meta post then understand voting is different on Meta It's likely that some people don't think what you're suggesting is a good idea and are telling you so. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andreas
Did you check the web inspector? Could it be the powers of Stack have been unleashed? — Andreas 1 min ago
 
5:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
@AndrewT. Does that mean Gordon Linoff will be "officially featured" by SO in 1 ~ 2 weeks? — bravemaster just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
I always clarify that the notice says "post a new question", not "repost the same question". — Cris Luengo 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
But "the same horrific question" is obviously not "a new one". If it's new it's not the same question. The wording might be a bit ambiguous, but there's a difference between a new post, and a new question. — Cris Luengo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
@Bhargav Thanks. — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@CrisLuengo "But "the same horrific question" is obviously not "a new one". If it's new it's not the same question." - I've seen cases where an OP literally just dumped the same question again. Often shadowed by pretending to be a "different" user. So the question is literally the same, just new posted. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Regarding "Did I did a wrong think..." first you should ask your self why are you interested in that tag / what motivated you to post this question. — Rubén 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
I know, I've seen that many times too. The wording is too ambiguous for many people to understand the meaning of the sentence as intended. I'm just stating what the intention of the sentence was, your "[...] implicitly implies that someone can or even should repost the same horrific question again" is not correct. People interpret it as meaning that, but it doesn't. — Cris Luengo 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Thanks, I'll create the synonym now. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Archimedes Trajano
I think just a personal block list should be more than enough. It would be good if StackOverflow has that capability. It's not like I want them censored blocked from using the platform, I just don't care about the opinions of some users and I don't want them to flood my feed. — Archimedes Trajano 22 secs ago
 
6:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@CrisLuengo Better now? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@SecurityHound hopefully right now. I will delete this comment again. — Lorenz 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Post already reopened 14 minutes ago — TheMaster 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by auser
Actually I asked how they were linked? Coz the closure was a perplexing.. Deleting this question. Thank you. — auser 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
It looks like you were able to explain why it wasn't a duplicate and as was mentioned the post was reopened. — Joe W 1 min ago
 
6:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
It is always interesting to see that people complain about both immediate attention to the post and lack of it... Should propose Q&Q site so people can post questions and site ensures that all questions get identical amount of attention at precise intervals (no answers should be allowed as that would invalidate the premise of equal attention) :) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
missed opportunity to call the tag [gin-tonic]... — TylerH 1 min ago
 
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