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12:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
In what way do you think that a volunteer, community-elected moderator might be a "compelled contributor"? No moderators are paid anything. — Cody Gray ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@CodyGray I loved yivi's answer. It made me laugh. There's not been enough fun around here for a loooong while. I'm not sure, are we actually allowed to have fun now? :p — Yvette 1 min ago
 
12:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by C8H10N4O2
This is the first time I've used SEDE, so it's possible I'm missing a filter or something. Please let me know! — C8H10N4O2 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Zoe "Const" may be not an ideal name, but definitely const-correctness in large topic in C/C++ and there are indeed people who are expert in that area. — Alexei Levenkov 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@johnc.j. "1,2" is not exactly obvious explanation of what you propose. Some explanation is needed - at very least explanation why "constant" (like 42) is the same as const-correctness (like string MyClass::toString() cosnt) would help this proposal. — Alexei Levenkov 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Not that I want to be a mod(I'm not good enough) but I would decline all the flags. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
are there things you think Stack Overflow can learn from those sites in terms of how they are run or moderated? I think it's the other way around. Other sites are peaceful, including Super User. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
And some users only thank, include that. — 10 Rep 57 secs ago
 
1:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I would probably reprimand the > 10k users :) — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Oh, god, I am done. Tag wiki update for Google APIs finished (sort of - there are still tags missing, tags named disregarding convention, confusing APIs, etc, etc, etc. I will make a separate post about it when ready). Edit is now pending: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26575793Oleg Valter 52 secs ago
 
2:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
This so much. Even more frustrating: seeing your close vote waiting for the final one under such a question, which will expire before the bounty... I even saw people insulting me because they paid with their bounty the right to post off-topic/duplicate questions... (Ps: I also agree that raising the number of votes to 5 is a reasonable measure in this case). — Kaiido 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Are you aware that that question is closed and at any moment it may be deleted? I think that the best strategy is to move that information elsewhere. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Braiam - yep, I am aware, and that is a valid point of concern (though as far as I know with 58 / 58 score, and this many positively received answers its removal chances are slim). I am not sure why it was closed as off-topic in the first place... But transcends the topic of the question a little — Oleg Valter 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleting comments is not rude. — Samuel Liew ♦ 12 secs ago
 
 
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3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I merged [const] into [constants], and copied over most of the tag wiki from [const], since it was better. I think that is an obviously correct merge. [var] into [variable] is a bit less clear to me, based on actual usage of the [var] tag, referring a specific keyword in certain languages. That's also been discussed elsewhere, so I've closed this question as a duplicate of that prior discussion, while simultaneously adding the [status-completed] tag to indicate that the [const] -> [constants] merge has taken place. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
We're talking about a new user @SamuelLiew. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AwesomeElephant8232
@CodyGray Um, that's besides the point. — AwesomeElephant8232 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yeah, this is why we recommend against the creation of sockpuppet accounts. It makes it impossible to recover and/or maintain your old questions. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AwesomeElephant8232
@CodyGray But please delete it. I know you can, you're a moderator. Please delete it, so that it can be reasked later and answered. — AwesomeElephant8232 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Creating new accounts is not the way to get around a question ban. It's just the way to dig yourself deeper. For question bans, we have advice here. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
There seems to be a github repository where this information is github.com/InteractionDesignFoundation/…Braiam 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm not sure it's entirely fair to ask moderator candidates this, as they don't know any of the details about our tools for investigating or handling voting fraud. They'll learn of this once elected. The only thing that would be vaguely interesting here for moderator candidates is the final question: "would you handle it differently because of the user's high reputation?". And even that doesn't seem especially interesting. — Cody Gray ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Given that we have a limited number of question slots (and a limited amount of patience to read all candidate answers), perhaps we could merge what this is getting at with respect to a high-rep user into another one of the questions already here? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AwesomeElephant8232
@CodyGray Please delete it, look, sorry for sockpuppeting, but please delete it so an answer can be found. — AwesomeElephant8232 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Default question #2 should be replaced with JFF's question. We certainly don't need both, and I like Jean-Francois's better. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Could you clarify what you mean, exactly? — Rob ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Dangerous? Isn't that a bit much? — yivi 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
I’m voting to close this question because it's about the U.S. immigration system and applying for jobs, not Stack Overflow. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@Rob I assume that the OP is asking about the Jobs feature. Some of the employers are listed as providing visa sponsorship, and the OP is asking what's meant by that. The question is pretty sensible, actually, but it should probably be asked on The Workplace or something like that. (Basically, it's referring to one way that you can get legal authorization to work in the U.S.) — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@VnoitKumar This actually isn't a term that's specific to Stack Overflow - it's basically one means by which you can get legal authorization to work in the U.S. There's a certain legal procedure that a potential employer can use to obtain that, but it tends to be expensive and time-consuming for the company who provides it, so not all companies are willing to do it. So the term is more about them being willing to initiate the legal procedure to allow you to obtain a work permit than about them paying a particular expense. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
This question can probably be moved to The Workplace to get more detailed answers. I'm truthfully not too familiar with all of the details of how the process works, but what I posted above is the general idea. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
The question will be automatically deleted in about a week anyway. — pppery 1 min ago
 
4:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dxiv
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Thank you for your input (and wish whoever cast the vote to delete had too left a comment why). Sorry to disappoint about "pointing fingers", what you suggest would have been an entirely different question than the one I meant to ask here. — dxiv 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I don't think it would be at all on-topic on Workplace as it seem to be asking about SO Jobs (and clearly do so after my edit)... Since results show Germany too I don't think it is US specific. And seem to be unique enough on meta (I only found meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/363834/… which talks about colors of the tag)... So edited/voted to re-open. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Can you clarify which queue you are talking about? "First posts" and "Late answers" pretty much require you to look at whole question. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
5:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is the review that motivated this question, @Alexei. Yes, agreed; reviewing new answers correctly generally does require that you at least look at the question and existing answers. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by svarog
I've seen several uses of this feature, one of these times OP "thanked" the answer he found useful instead of upvoting it — svarog 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I have fun most of the time. I'd say you're allowed to do so, too. (Disclaimer: Experiences may vary. The experience of this individual is not necessarily representative, and no warranties are made or implied regarding the amount of fun that will be had.) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I've linked duplicate that gives general guidance that covers all queues. While first post do pretty much require opening the question separately there are cases when you can skip it (clearly bad/wrong answer or the only answer as you see total number of answers in the review itself). — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
 
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6:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by svarog
The thank-you's being there are not that of a real problem as much as users write them instead of upvoting. — svarog 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by piet.t
The old close-reason said that questions seeking debugging help should contain desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. So obviously they are on-topic if they contain all of those. — piet.t 46 secs ago
 
7:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Trunk "Surely SO management have studied this ?" Yes, repeated times probably. However, it's not only the number crunching, it's also what conclusions to draw and the decisions how to weigh the different aspects of the data. It's just a guess, but in the past SO management might have over- or undervalued the importance of heavy contributing members. What I like about SO research is that they frequently also seem to ask themselves about the things that are not (so easily) visible in the data, like the attrition rate etc. — Trilarion 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafa Guillermo
@CodyGray Yes, the tool is commonly known as gas. That's what everyone calls it, including me, who works with it every day. The same can be said for the scripting language too, and I feel this argument is dangerously bordering on argumentum ad ignorantiam. I see no reason that changing gas to gnu-assembler would cause any confusion, it is objectively clearer as a tag and as TheMaster has pointed out, the numbers support the use of google-apps-script related questions far exceeds the frequency in which GNU assembler related questions are asked. — Rafa Guillermo 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's argumentum ad ignorantiam on both sides. All these claims are doing is proving that more people use Google Apps than use gas. It doesn't prove the accuracy of the names. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafa Guillermo
Additionally, while an argument can be made for gs to become a synonym for google-apps-script (*gs-* tags can be renamed to google-sheet-* as even google-sheet-conditional-formatting will stay inside the 35 character limit) this will not alleviate the confusion brought about by the gas tag. In addition to the problems I raised with appscript last October, I have unfortunately lost count how many times I have removed gas from erroneously-tagged google-apps-script questions. — Rafa Guillermo 1 min ago
 
8:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Autonomous
@YaakovEllis Do you want to elaborate more on how the "thank you" reaction has achieved "a lot of success" in the context of Teams. That may help the community understand its advantages. — Autonomous 32 secs ago
 
8:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
I'd reframe the question: “Considering recent events, *why are you applying to be a mod?* “Are you willing to listen to other and more experienced mods?” [This is a no brainer] What, in your opinion, is the right thing to do? 1. Act immediately when an egregious situation occurs? 2. Reflect, ignore your gut reaction and bide your time.” — Mari-Lou A 14 secs ago
 
8:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
You delete their comment Which comment? The new contributors or the hi-rep user? If it's the second: the high rep user, who knows perfectly well the rules of CoC, visits Meta to complain? I find that unlikely. I also find it unlikely that a mod would delete only one comment and leave behind a discussion disjointed. — Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
This is potentially a valid question but needs to be completely reworded. For example: “A high rep user posts a complaint on SO meta about your behaviour/answer/chat message etc. How do you react?” — Mari-Lou A 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
IHowever my suggestion is practically a replicate of this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/398991/3618829Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 of the downvote brigade
Hopefully the moderator would know that both sets of comments should be removed, unless the ones from the high reputation user were not actually rude. Regardless, at this point one would expect that moderators do not need to explain themselves every time someone complains about deleted comments. — E_net4 of the downvote brigade 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TamaMcGlinn
Is 'code current does X; how do I make it do Y?' a question about programming? — TamaMcGlinn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Echoing Cody's comment, I guess the worst thing that could happen if some group of users who have enough reputation for close voting would close vote a valid bounty on an on-topic question after 7 days to prevent the bounty from being wasted, and I believe that warrants a mod flag... — Andrew T. 45 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
Your question is very similar to meta.stackoverflow.com/a/398895/3618829Mari-Lou A 1 min ago
 
9:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trunk
@CodyGray: Clearly, if I volunteer for mod duties on SO, I will feel compelled to do some moderating. This involves evaluation and often commenting - and occasionally up- or down-voting of new posts and comments. The latter are things that I might only do as a non-moderator if I happened to see those posts/comments and found them interesting enough to react to. — Trunk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yatin
@AmalMurali I disagree with you. Several newbies don't know how to properly edit their posts. I was one of them. My first posts weren't properly formatted but someone else edited them for me. I learned the proper way to edit question from looking at the edits others had made... — Yatin just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trunk
@Scratte: That is how it should be. But most new comments and posts are read by mods these days, aren't they ? And it always seemed to me that some of these comments/posts - especially if they were made to older threads - were voted on by those same mods. — Trunk 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@TamaMcGlinn Well, it doesn’t look like a question about embroidery to me. — Dan Bron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
What I am suggesting above is that it can be removed from the otherwise high quality page and returned to that page when it meets the same standard as the rest of the page. [2/2] — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@CodyGray - Again, I think you're framing this as a binary: either something is garbage or it is quality. We both understand that there are different levels of garbage and different levels of quality. If something would benefit from being worked on but good enough that it doesn't merit deletion, that doesn't mean that (in its present state, at least) it doesn't still add a little more noise and confusion than necessary to an otherwise high quality page. [1/2] — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think it would make it easier if we were to refer to "mods" or "moderators" as the currently 20 elected moderators and to the others as "curators". Moderators do not come across most posts, because there are just too many of them. Curators come across post in curating queues or just by chance when browsing the site. All users are potential curators since everyone can either up/down-vote, flag and/or close-vote. — Scratte 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
How would you measure that a user didn't upvote a post or didn't flag a comment, but just read it and moved on? Or made a useful comment as opposed to an non-useful one? — Scratte 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Braiam - yeah, it is even mentioned in comments to the question (see my note) - merit of the Q&A aside, I am curious whether we have any guidelines on how to treat such answers (as I have seen plenty for questions, but pretty much nothing for answers) — Oleg Valter 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Awesome Stack doesn't deal well with urgency. Not considering its long term goals — Patrice 58 secs ago
 
10:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I would be more inclined to believe the honest answer: "Shit happens. Handling a gazillion tons of flags is hard, and mistakes are bound to happen. You'll get over it. A declined flag is not a big deal." Would that have won your vote, @CodeCaster? — Cody Gray ♦ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gert Arnold
@Yatin That's Okay. Most users will understand that using all editing options properly takes some experience and they'll see that a poorly formatted question isn't necessarily a poor question entirely, the type Amal was referring to. — Gert Arnold 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
This was one instance of migrating content outside of SE meta.stackoverflow.com/a/295495/792066Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pac0
"Am I wrong", I'd say yes. Even specific for developers, even if you might not be able to send direct messages, or to "friend" someone else, but it is, by any standard, a social network. Obviously, and hopefully, Stack Overflow has unique features and guidelines that make it Stack Overflow. Maybe the problem is that it starts to look more like others social network, that one may or may not like / despise. — Pac0 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by takendarkk
This site is Meta where you ask questions about Stackoverflow (which is where you probably meant to post this). — takendarkk 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@IsmaelMiguel "And locking the posts so we can't comment..." It's actually the moderation here that locks the posts so that nobody can comment on the questions. — Trilarion 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Pac0 Social network by itself doesn't mean much because it's a too broad category. Everything where humans interact could be a social network, couldn't it. This is one of the more anti-social social networks I have seen. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Cody absolutely, but you already got my vote. I just was wondering what the spirit of this question was, and it would appear to be trying to gauge the Meta use of the candidate. — CodeCaster 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@CodeCaster It's a combination of accountability and rating an answer on the bs-meter. — Scratte 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lexib0y
It was the "First posts" queue. And yes that was the post. I am quite certain that I did check the full post so I am a bit puzzled. It is a learning experience. :) — Lexib0y 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
Java and Javascript is another pair that happens a lot and usually is not correct. — greg-449 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
SE has been adamant of having hierarchy of tags. The best you can do is to remove tags from questions so that they aren't even suggested. If the user itself wants to use them, there's nothing stopping it. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yatin
Please also add the shading applied to the user's information box if they have filled the about me — Yatin 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@greg-449 that one at least is an understandable mistake for new people. I don't like it but many seem to not understand these are two different languages. What's actually worse is the PHP and JavaScript pairing when you only need PHP. Many times I've seen this happen and when I ask "why use the JavaScript tag?" the OP responds with "It was automatically suggested, so I picked it". The question asker understood these were different languages but since the system frequently sees the two paired, it suggests the JS tag even when not appropriate, which misleads new askers. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
I Germany you pay max 80€ for the fee, you need all papers, that means you must present a contract, if you want to stay longer. You have to get the visa in the consulat in your country and you need to make an appointment. — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@VLAZ the way you fix that is by going through this list and review them :D — Braiam 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"or even prevent new users from using both" I disagree with this because there are many valid questions that might need both tags. For example "I have code in X and I'm trying to re-write it in Y" type questions would likely need to tag both X and Y. On the other hand, warnings don't really seem to be heeded. I'd still rather allow legitimate questions with a potential for illegitimate, than stop all illegitimate and legitimate questions alike. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Braiam problem is that it's a valid pairing and a frequent one. There are many questions that are both about JS and PHP - usually around making AJAX requests and such. However, some people just have a PHP question yet the system suggests JS as a tag when there is no relation. New users see the suggestion and pick it because they trust the system to make a sensible offer. Also, I saw one new user report they weren't allowed to post a question unless they had 5 tags, so they had to pick irrelevant ones. Not sure if that's true or a misunderstanding. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@VLAZ I don't agree with that assessment. In those cases you have two questions, one about php giving the wrong data and javascript doing a bad request. Programmers need to learn how to establish boundaries in their products, and sever code vs client code is a very bright line that one can point to. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
How does this answer the question? Can you elaborate your answer a bit more? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ray Butterworth
I think many readers are missing the idea behind these example answers: the wrong answers are worded so that they sound correct, while the right answer is worded so it sounds wrong. To pass the test, one has to recognize the correct response while ignoring the inappropriate justification that accompanies it. I.e. the test is about knowing what to do, not about rationalizing why it should be done. — Ray Butterworth 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andre
A momentary bump of these question in the "active" lists seems a very minor problem to be concerned about. -- I guess you don't read questions ordered by Active. It very much messes things up. People editing their questions or posting answers suffer from this manual editing spree, since their actions get drowned. @yivi — Andre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes @Andre, most of the times I search by active. — yivi 1 min ago
 
1:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ismael Miguel
@Trilarion They can unlock the posts. As far as I know. I would like to be proved wrong. — Ismael Miguel 54 secs ago
 
 
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2:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I do see potential angles of abuse, such as purposefully featuring a question to draw enough attention to it to get it closed, or closing a question to refund the bounty. An easy abuse mitigation would be to avoid dupehammers, because else if I had bountied a question on a tag I could hammer, I could dupehammer it on my own, get my refund, and reopen it, after I got a satisfying answer. Someone would likely pick this up and get me suspended, though, but having a single non-mod responsible for refunding a bounty is probably not a good idea. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
are you able to find your answer related to that question? if so you can easily see if it was removed or not — Temani Afif 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
One of the questions you answered has been deleted and with it your answer. That's why you lost the reputation from that answer. — BDL 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Why was it deleted? The OP showed what they had, and the answer had many votes :/ — Ann Zen 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheTechRobo36414519
new users, with 1 rep usually leave "thanks" comments — they can't, commenting is unlocked at 50 rep, but great answer otherwise :) — TheTechRobo36414519 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trunk
@Scratte: Maybe by consideration of positive ratings of the contribution BOTH mods and other users, assuming the two types of ratings are stored separately. — Trunk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Closed as a duplicate 5 days ago, deleted 36 minutes ago for that reason (presumably) — Zoe 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Zoe But I don't see what's so special about that question that makes it necessary to deleted. Countless other closed questions don't get deleted. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
Any closed question may be deleted at any time. Some automatically, others manually. A duplicate is only safe from deletion if it provides a novel way to ask the question. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
yes, because there's not nearly enough delete votes to get everything. There's also some with so-called "historical value" that get locked in spite of being off-topic. That question was yet another duplicate that didn't add much to what was already posted. Deletion made sense — Zoe 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
The message is probably a bug. I guess the system got confused because you deleted and undeleted this post before. — BDL 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
I thought that if a question had an answer with many upvotes, they'd be more unlikely to be deleted. — Ann Zen 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
You are correct that if a question has upvotes it is less likely to be deleted. A question with an accepted answer will not be automatically deleted by the system. However, in this case, 3 users with more than 10,000 reputation voted for deletion because they felt it added no lasting value to the site. — Ian Campbell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vega
The message on the deleted post could be related: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/398107/5468463Vega 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Only when calculating the number of votes needed for deletion. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Is the deletion reversible? — Ann Zen 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
Although I cannot speak for the three users who cast their votes to delete, when I user my deletion votes, I try to consider the post as a whole, taking into account how other members of the community have viewed the value of the questions and answers as expressed by the number of votes. Additionally, very popular questions require more upvotes to close. However, it merely requires 1 additional vote for every 20 net positive score. — Ian Campbell 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@AnnZen Yes, you can ask the community to reconsider if you have valid points that there was value lost by deleting it. However, the question was closed as a duplicate so you would need to convince us that this was not a duplicate or that this duplicate will be a good sign-post in the future. — Dharman 32 secs ago
 
3:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
does every 20 net negative score require 1 more undelete vote to undelete? — Ann Zen 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
I believe every undelete requires only 3 votes, but I cannot seem to find a reference at the moment. — Ian Campbell 1 min ago
 
3:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
maybe it's time to consider closing more than answering. You are around for while and you should have noticed that there is a lot of duplicate and repeated question. I see you have only casted 9 duplicates votes (data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/854207/…) I am pretty sure you faced more in the python tag. You have also answered 55 duplicate actually — Temani Afif 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
That question should be closed, not edited. Even if you managed to edit it, it would've either been rejected, or you would've lost the rep when (yes, when) the question gets deleted. The edit doesn't fix the critical issues with the post, hence potential rejection — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
This could've been avoided, and made more accessible, if HTML/CSS/JS was preferred over images — Zoe 1 min ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bbnumber2
@Zoe I agree that the edit does not solve the inherent issue with such questions, but wouldn't allowing edit requests to "oust" questions as code dumps serve the purpose of making code dumps easier to find and justify closure? — bbnumber2 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Not really, because questions still show up in the exact same lists and are subject to the exact same problems as all other questions. Editing doesn't speed up anything, but it does risk accidentally bumping posts into the reopen queue for no reason — Zoe 32 secs ago
 
4:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Geoff Griswald
@AnsgarWiechers a 5% drop is not that significant, especially when you consider that COVID-19 is impacting technology workers worldwide leaving many millions of people unable to work. I see a strong correlation with the start of COVID-19 restrictions and a small downtick in site engagement. If it were related to the "resignations", which nobody outside of Meta cares about, then it would have happened earlier. — Geoff Griswald 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"In my understanding, downvotes are intended to be used for questions that do not show any research effort; are unclear; or not useful, not for disagreement" ... to make it short, you're wrong. Voting on meta indicates dis-/agreement. That's also not new and researchable. — Tom 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bbnumber2
@Tom I am not denying that, but downvotes are not intended to be used for saying someone is wrong, unless an incorrect answer would lead the asker astray. If I am wrong, then wouldn't the correct response be to respond in a comment or answer? Unless there's some malicious flaw in my post, I don't see the justification for downvotes. I do realize that whining about downvotes goes against the selfless spirit of asking questions, but I don't understand their use in this situation. — bbnumber2 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yunnosch
Hello Dharmaraj. Perfect English is not required on StackOverflow, or I myself would be pretty lost. But I have so much trouble reading your post that I cannot even tell wether you are actually trying to answer to my proposal. As an answer I would consider a post which either discusses the advantages and disadvantages of my proposal (I actually phrased it to be asking for this), or alternatively proposals to alter or fine-tune my approach. In your post I cannot trace what "them", "there" reference. Dropping a comment is also unclear in this context or a multiple choice quiz. — Yunnosch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 of the downvote brigade
@Tom I would advise not to lay it down as the subject being black and white, since Meta does in fact have low quality questions. With that said, it is true that the voting culture on Meta is different, and downvotes here are often a combination of multiple factors, one of which being that users disagree with a premise or proposal. — E_net4 of the downvote brigade 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bbnumber2
@Tom (In response to edit) I did not realize that voting was handled differently on Meta as opposed to SO, or other SE sites. Luckily my, incorrect and somewhat whiny, addendum has been removed. — bbnumber2 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 of the downvote brigade
@bbnumber2 Please let the user base vote as they see fit. Putting meta-commentary complaining about downvotes is not warranted, not even on the main site. For what it's worth, there has been a suggestion to change the voting culture so that one would express disagreement on Meta by answering the question, but that hasn't been universally accepted. — E_net4 of the downvote brigade 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bbnumber2
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade I outlined my misunderstanding in my previous comment. Obviously I still don't want my question to be downvoted, but I understand I was incorrect in my assumptions on voting on Meta. — bbnumber2 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - yes, seems like it (at least its sourceforge page says so) — Oleg Valter 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Why is included this phrase "even outlived the language it represented"? Does AppScript is dead? — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Thanks (I should continue reading) — Rubén just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
So user have problems getting used to this side, ok, enough are willing to help them even when they don't get two points. so if you see soemthing that can be fixed easily arange the code and comment where the rror was or give an answer. — nbk 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
No worries. It would be nice if we could get the tag for GAS - I've been going through the questions tagged with appscript recently and found that I missed a lot of them because I did not watch the tag... — Oleg Valter just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Popularity / lack of official support are not arguments to "hijack" a tag but harm done might be. Is appscript causing any harm? — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - true, these are only secondary arguments that say that we are likely to not cause harm. Re:causing harm. I don't know - is a tag harmful when all of the questions for the last year that are tagged with it are tagged incorrectly? +a lot of them are not tagged with google-apps-scriptOleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Are there any dispute regarding removing appscript from questions about Google Apps Script? — Rubén 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - as far as I understand there is none. One could say there is even a silent consensus. The tag itself contains a usage note "Use only for Apple scripts, NOT google-apps-script". Just that Rafa's suggestion did not get much attention initially after Cody expressed initial concern (see first comment under the question) — Oleg Valter 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Maybe we should fix the note (as currently there Apple Scripts is another programming language) — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - would love to as an easy to do solution, but that does not stop people from slapping it onto questions :) As I mentioned in chat, just yesterday I pointed that out to a user that consistently tagged their questions with it. I think a retag, rename, then synonymize will, though. And even if a small portion will get to Apple folks, I would argue they will know what to do with the question — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
...which, given that I noticed that people usually think that GAS is "Google App Scripts", it is understandable why the confusion arose in the first place) — Oleg Valter 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Besides the tags used for them, appscript and Apple Script aren't the same programming language. — Rubén 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
@Zoe It’s an SVG, so they might still be able to adjust the colors for dark and light mode. (It looks SVGs can also be accessible but I don’t have experience in that area.) — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
This has been asked a lot, for different tags (for example it's infuriating when people ask how to do something in SQL and tab MySQL, SQL Server, Oracle and PostgreSQL, making the answer impossible) but will never be implemented. Most of the time, it's "easier" to remove the conflicting tags if the language isnt obvious from the question, add a generic one, and if the OP doesnt retag, the. You can vote to close as unclear if the OP fails to edit the question. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Btw, do you disagree on what we should do with the tag or not? My suggestion was to rename this one to apple-appscript (not applescript) to disway people from tagging, clean up and acquire the original name as a synonim in case it keeps popping up (but I would argue that if people saw the apple part, they would not add it). — Oleg Valter 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Mohamed, meta is for "the workings and policies of Stack Overflow", you need to post on the main stackoverflow. Out of curiosity - why you decided to post here and even include the discussion tag? — Oleg Valter 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
@CodyGray Dharmaraj finds many of such NAAs more suited as comments. However, if the answer showed any attempt to actually answer the question via a link or a short description, he considers leaving a comment as a feedback to help the author improve their answer. In this way, he helps some of those new users avoid non-answers in the future by actually communicating the rules with them. As far as Yunnosch's question is concerned, I think this does not discuss his proposed idea but reminds of another method to help such users. — Ardent Coder 51 secs ago
 
6:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Rubén - will check this out in a sec, thanks for creating the proposal — Oleg Valter 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Instead of apple-appscript I suggest sourceforge-appscript becuase appscript was not developed by Apple but it's hosted in Sourceforge. Related meta.stackoverflow.com/q/399042/1595451Rubén 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
hm, that's a good one - it may help to avoid accidentally making applescript being incorrectly retagged to appscript while accomplishing the same goal - remove the confusion with google-apps-scriptOleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
That said, we would probably want a second opinion from sourceforge guys. Is there an established practice of prefixing sourceforge- to products hosted on it? If so, it would probably be an ideal solution for disambiguating the tag — Oleg Valter 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
[sourceforge*] returns only sourceforgeRubén 26 secs ago
 
6:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Oh well... Let's wait for someone to weigh in then. Btw, I noticed that the problem might spana all tag versions: rb-appscript is starting to become mistagged (although 2 questions is fixable, just a sec) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Re:[rb-appscript] - done. [py-appscript] seems unaffected, and Objective-C version does not seem to exist. That raises the question, though, that I missed initially - what would we do with [py-appscript] and [rb-appscript] after the rename? My bet is leave them be and update tag wiki for the renamed tag to include reference to specific tag. — Oleg Valter 52 secs ago
 
 
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8:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
"if we're eligible to run for moderator, we should be eligible to be reinstated" YES. Except, you have already been elected. I know that there may be some animosity between mods and they don't have to be in agreement all the time. That can also be true for newly elected mods. This whole process does not make any sense at all. — Dalija Prasnikar 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
I think that we should do nothing with py-appscript and rb-appscriptRubén 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Rubén - agreed - already cleaned up the rb-appscript a little (where questions were obviously about google-apps-script), seem to be fine otherwise — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aryan Beezadhur
Thumbs up/down makes Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange no different to other Q&A platforms/forums with crappy UI — Aryan Beezadhur 26 secs ago
 
8:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
When I first saw the title I thought that for some reason you wanted user Franz Kafka to get a review ban. After googling, I found out that there is a writer named Franz Kafka, so I guess you're referring to him, not the Stack Overflow user. — Donald Duck 7 secs ago
 
 
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11:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar I agree. I will keep applying to be reinstated until they reinstate me. If the mods could veto people from being mods, I'd never have been elected in the first place. — Yvette 51 secs ago
 

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