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2:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
I haven't observed this behavior while checking for it off an on today (after clicking a "Watched Tag" then "Newest"). Is it recurring? Is there any particular way you get to this tab/view that causes it? Maybe browser specific (I'm using Firefox)? — 1201ProgramAlarm 28 secs ago
 
2:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
@1201ProgramAlarm Don't click the new activity element immediately - leave it for 10 or 20 minutes, then click it. By that time, it's likely that one or more of the questions will have been answered or modified — CertainPerformance 38 secs ago
 
3:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
@CertainPerformance Ah, I see... if one of the "new activity" questions has an update, then it will show that activity time instead of the "asked" time. Looks like this is an attempt to update the vote/answers and gets too much info. — 1201ProgramAlarm 31 secs ago
 
4:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
I'll add that the issue this "fix" is trying to address is easily compensated for - just click the "Newest" button again will reload all the tab data (and refresh the questions that were there, which this adjustment does not do). — 1201ProgramAlarm 1 min ago
 
 
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6:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Talha F.
I agree, ms-extensions-logging and microsoft-extensions-logging both are for the same package. That should be merge — Talha F. 57 secs ago
 
 
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9:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Might be obvious but I'd still mention it - the same happens if you have a custom filter that is set to sort by newest. In that case you're not at the "Newest" tab yet do use the same behaviour. — VLAZ 41 secs ago
 
 
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11:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trejder
It seems that my question above came from misunderstanding. This is the first time (?) when I noticed a deletion of a question by a single moderator. Usually it is "Question was deleted / marked off-topic by xx, yy, zz and aa". Another misunderstanding in my side is that large number of downvotes here. What's wrong with this question? We're not allowed to ask why something was deleted? — trejder 1 min ago
 
 
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12:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
This is, to be honest, nothing more than a well written rant. — Paulie_D 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? How can Stack Overflow be more welcoming?gnat 11 secs ago
 
1:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
"Users don't bother reading the rules" is still a big problem. They don't even read them when they are presented on a silver platter in comments. They ask their question and feel entitled to an answer. Many don't even stick around to answer questions for clarification in comments. Sorry. Miffed by my experiences on SO yesterday. — Modus Tollens 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dkellner
I just had a situatiion like this and I wrote "There are some potential answers. You might want to respond to them." - is that a correct wording? (Asking as a non-native speaker) — dkellner 42 secs ago
 
1:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Although the site is not created to provide direct help to the questioner, help often happens as a result of answering questions. Yes, the way that this is done often does not satisfy many of the people who come here to ask questions, and yes, this is mainly due to unrealized expectations, but if the site continues to help many, and if it is profitable, it will likely trudge on. If you would prefer to create a new site, then have at it. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Ben And yet that is what made SO so valuable for many users: It is not a personal help desk, but a repository you can search to find solutions. It's what made it the (most?) successful site providing that. — Modus Tollens 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Sure. But there is a distinction between the conception of what SO "is" in the minds of a few power users, and the observed reality. I would argue that the de facto reality is, at this point, pretty clear. — Ben 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Z4-tier
Hi, @SamuelLiew. Looks like the community does not agree with you here: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/25364126Z4-tier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Sure. But there is a distinction between the conception of what SO "is" in the minds of a few power users, and the observed reality. I would argue that the de facto reality is, at this point, clear. — Ben 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Ben But it doesn't work, does it? Let's assume that the average user of SO wants their problem solved (helpdesk like), and they get answers (as they now do far too often and often by high rep users, ugh). So, now what would we have? 20,000 specialized NullPointer Q/A threads? Simplest beginner questions attracting dozens of sub-par answers instead of being pointed to curated duplicates? This is already happening, and the result is never really helpful. Should that be the future of SO? — Modus Tollens 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Well that's a good question, and a separate one. I guess my point is that it is too late. The "design" (in all dimensions) of the site misleads (for want of a better word) users into thinking it is a Q&A site, not a curated museum. — Ben 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Ben As far as I see it, the users don't know how to use the site. We could probably do a better job educating new users. But we also have a lot of experienced users who don't know we're not a help desk (who tend to get defensive when linked to documentation stating that). As long as new users get answers to questions that should be closed the quality won't go up. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
 
2:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@AsteroidsWithWings Assuming good faith is really only important before you have read the arguments given. It means not thinking ill of someone before you have heard him or her out. Afterwards it's fine though. The actions taken or not taken speak for themselves. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@Z4-tier great, I see the question has been heavily revised and was successfully reopened. The system is thus working as intended — Samuel Liew ♦ 10 secs ago
 
3:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Trilarion Good point — Asteroids With Wings 25 secs ago
 
 
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4:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
Could this be a time zone issue? Either between you and Google's servers or between Google's servers and SO's servers. — Marco Bonelli 1 min ago
 
4:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
The idea is imho very nice - unfortunately, what I can see about the company until now, I expect something what is worser as I could ever imagine. It is not your fault, I simply extrapolate what the company does since I know it. Do your best! Kohelet 9:10. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
5:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
"It's sad how Stackoverflow degraded by some high reputation abusers." - Why not wait for an explanation before starting with the accusations? -_- — Modus Tollens 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
Wait for what and when? The duplicate explanation was there which I didn't agree with. — Tony_Henrich 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There's no reason to wait for anything, but there is a reason to assume good faith. Just because you disagree with another user's assessment that a question is a duplicate doesn't imply that they are abusing anything. Furthermore, you already got an explanation from the close voter before posting this question, so acting as if you have no idea why he voted that way is somewhat disingenuous. It's fine to ask for a second opinion, but let's leave the implicit accusations of bad faith and foregone conclusions out of it. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
and I am fed up with what happens on SO. Many people share the same sentiment. Many blog posts were written about this. It's an abuse when one person closes a question. Too much power. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Then make a feature request (there might already exist one). — Modus Tollens 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@Cody I don't like questions being closed by one person. He read my comment where I asked the commenter to leave it as an answer so I can credit him. The closer didn't wait for this to happen but decided to close it anyway. I and you don't have to agree about this. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It is straight up not abuse when one person closes a question. That's an ability we provide to users who have demonstrated their competence in a particular subject by the mechanism we use to determine competence: upvotes. Someone exercising the powers that they are given by the site, and using them to help reduce duplication and otherwise keep it clean, is the polar opposite of abuse. That blog posts have been written about something is not evidence of anything. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Closing questions as duplicate does not mean the question is bad. It's closed as dupe so it can act as a signpost to an answer. That's not a bad thing. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@Modus I don't know the link and too busy to find it. I had a feature request before and people shot it down and the post just degraded. I am interested in going through a similar experience now. I am moving on. I am just ranting for what happened. I am sticking to all the comments I posted here. I don't agree with the closing. I I don't agree with the explanation. I don't agree with allowing one person to close a question regardless of their reputation. I didn't like that he didn't wait for the answer to be posted. All in all, the situation wasn't warranted. — Tony_Henrich 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
No one needs to wait for an answer to be posted. The whole point of closing a question as a duplicate is to prevent the answer being posted over and over again. — Tom 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
 
6:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
Read my comment in the question about the question was also about the Arabic language. Users who know Arabic might propose better ways to do what I wanted to do. I can't get any such answers now the question is closed. I am pretty positive that none of the users who know Arabic is going to add to the other old question if they have a good suggestion since the other question had nothing to do with Arabic. What if the N prefix didn't answer my question or was it closed because I mentioned it solved the issue? — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
 
6:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@Tony_Henrich What if the N prefix didn't answer my question --> edit your quesiton to highlight this and vote to reopen, as simple as that. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
6:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@Temani Meanwhile I have to maybe wait for days or ever for them to reopen it because someone didn't make a good decision. NO.. it's not simple. I will just delete it and open a new one. A lot faster and cleaner. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Smith
@Tony_Henrich If you have a different question where the N prefix does not resolve the issue then yes open a new question, in this case though you provided specific code where adding the N prefix does give your desired results. There is no need to keep open an example from every language on the off chance that someone has something specific to add about that language. But even if that premise is accepted it is still a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/27091536/sql-arabic-search - which is both about the LIKE operator and arabic — Martin Smith 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm happy to review and reopen it if you edit to explain why adding 'N' is not a solution to your question. I'm also happy to enforce the rules by issuing a suspension for deleting and reposting an identical question. So...your choice. It is generally better to work within the system than against it. It is still not clear to me why you are so upset about having gotten a working solution to your problem. — Cody Gray ♦ 38 secs ago
 
7:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I have to maybe wait for days --> even if it's a week, time doesn't matter. Your question is one among plenty of other questions and a lot of them are voted each day fo reopen. There is no reason to make yours a priority. You have to follow the rules and consider the fact that you are probably wrong. — Temani Afif 9 secs ago
 
7:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"where I asked the commenter to leave it as an answer so I can credit him." If you want to credit someone, upvote the person that posted the answer on the question that yours is a duplicate of. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
 
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8:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@ModusTollens. Not posting the same question of course. What's the point if there's a high chance it's going to get the same treatment. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@Temani Time of course matters to me. I post a question for my own use which is my priority. I want an answer now. Not in a few days. It may be useful to future users. That's an added benefit and it enriches SO. I don't post questions just to make SO better. I don't work for them. I am posting a new better question. There's no priority here. It's not going into any kind of queue. I am not trying to jump ahead of anyone by posting a new question. If you think I am posting a new question to be ahead of anyone, your assumption is wrong. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
 
9:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Time of course matters to me. I post a question for my own use which is my priority. I want an answer now.--> sorry but we don't really care about your priority and the fact that you want an answer now. I guess you are missing the purpose of SO that's why you think everyone is against you but there is no you and me here. There is only content. — Temani Afif 19 secs ago
 
9:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You have at least one downvoted deleted question that you might try to rescue. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@RobertLongson: clever -- thanks! — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 18 secs ago
 
9:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Also seems to me like a new question. You should have perhaps mod-flagged that post - mods (and the LQP queue) get many answers flagged as NAA/VLQ because they are code-only. — double-beep 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tony_Henrich
@temani Well I value my time and I am sure most users do. You should say 'I', not 'we'. Don't talk on behalf of others. Talk about yourself only. I post a question that benefits me and other users. That's content. Anyway, I got my answer from the question before the question got closed. I just wanted to state my opinion. No one needs to agree with it. Discussing this further with you and others is pointless after I have posted several comments so far already. — Tony_Henrich 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@double-beep -- it seemed like a clear case to me that it should be removed. It obviously is not a code-only answer, since the code seems entirely unrelated to the posted question. It is only after further review that it becomes clear that it was probably an attempt at another question. — ex nihilo 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@RobertLongson -- sure, but the code is obviously unrelated. This is a programming site, and it takes no expertise to see that this answer is not an attempt to answer the question. — ex nihilo 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
In this instance you need some people who know c or c++ to delete this. Moderators are not experts in all programming languages. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It's may be very well an altogether wrong answer, but it is still an attempt to answer. Generally deletion of these posts is up to the community. Regular votes and delete votes (for 20k users) are to be used. — yivi 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Not sure you'd be saying it was obvious if the question and answer were in lisp or modula 2 or some other language you're entirely unfamiliar with. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@yivi -- How is it an attempt at an answer if it is really an attempt at asking a question? How is it an attempt at an answer if it is just unrelated code attempting to do something unrelated to the posted question code? Both of these things are true here. — ex nihilo 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Does this answer your question? When to flag an answer as "not an answer"?yivi 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Sure, you and I know it's unrelated... — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
10:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Silicomancer
Yes. What does "Renewed" mean? This is the most important bullet in the entire post. — Silicomancer 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Silicomancer
What does "Renewed" mean? This is the most important bullet in the entire post. — Silicomancer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@RobertLongson -- it is a fair point about obvious being in the eye of the observer; maybe people without at least passing familiarity with a language shouldn't be making judgement calls about whether some code is relevant or not. I am astonished that some here seem to want to assert that this was an attempt at an answer, though, even after what I wrote in my question. IAC, thanks for the support in the Delete Vote department ;) — ex nihilo 1 min ago
 
10:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ex nihilo
@Larnu -- can someone please explain to me how a question posted as an answer can be interpreted as an answer? — ex nihilo just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
From someone with no C, and only exposure to reading C# I don't agree that it "wasn't an answer". It's a code only answer, but it still makes it look like an answer attempt (even if it is the wrong language). That doesn't make it not an answer just a wrong one, and should have been downvoted appropriately, and voted to be deleted (due to the wrong language). If you were to flag, it would be as Low Quality. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
11:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Nothing unusual about an SO user deleting their question and asking it again, happens all the time. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Randall
@HansPassant yeah, i hadn't thought of that possibility. Though in this scheme of things, even if this was a bug, i think there are bigger problems in the world — Michael Randall 38 secs ago
 
11:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Grant
@SteffenWinkler "the comment you quoted may not be strictly 'unfriendly', however it is certainly unhelpful/unneccessary" - this is weasel words. Almost nothing is necessary. — Robert Grant 16 secs ago
 
11:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3) — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 

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