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1:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dexygen
These charts don't even account for questions that shouldn't be getting answered in the first place primarily duplicates. New-ish users can be forgiven to some extent but there are plenty of users with tens of thousands if not 100K worth of rep that just answer questions seemingly without any care for the all-important curation aspect of this site. — Dexygen 1 min ago
 
1:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The one and only - Tom Minor
Downvotes on meta are negligible hence the fact that site-specific meta actions are not detrimental to your reputation. — The one and only - Tom Minor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
@Theoneandonly-TomMinor It might not have been perfectly on-topic, but not completely off-topic either (and I'm aware that requests for new tags should have their own post). — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The one and only - Tom Minor
Also, I agree with the logic behind your proposal. However, hopefully we will not need a tag like this because no more moderators will resign. But realistically, if resignations keep occurring like they have been I think your idea would be pretty feasible. — The one and only - Tom Minor just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The one and only - Tom Minor
I was (and still am) considering upvoting your submission so it is back at zero. That would be to compensate for the downvote you have already taken. — The one and only - Tom Minor 1 min ago
 
1:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
It would also make sense for archival purposes, so that one has them all in a tag-list and not a manually curated list, eg. so that one can jump from any one of these to the whole listing. — Martin Zeitler 33 secs ago
 
 
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3:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Well, @Erik, I am not a lawyer, but I read the license, and 3.A.1.a.v., “a URI or hyperlink to the Licensed Material to the extent reasonably practicable;” seems to indicate that at least the hyperlink part of 2 is required. Unless the post, having been reproduced without modification on this new site, is “the Licensed Material”... In any case, I agree about point 1. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
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4:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
And colons should be used before block quotations. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Stumbler Regarding downvotes, all of them are silent, and we expect them to be so. Voting is a rating system, not a commentary system. And the old close reason "not a real question" didn't mean that it wasn't real because of the topic. It meant that it wasn't a question. Either way, because that got misunderstood, the close reason was retired. Your "look-down-ones-nose-at-Windows-users" assessment is quite surprising to me. I'm a Windows user, and have been answering Windows programming questions since the site started. If you see comments disparaging of Windows or anyone else, please flag. — Cody Gray ♦ 51 secs ago
 
4:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
Years are passing and we still face this issue. Even if question is nicely described, many times it falls into not understanding of the language, tools or the environment they use. I saw the questions like "my code doesnt compile" or "got XX exception" a hundreds of times which stayed on site as proper questions (not being closed or etc.) where there is tones of other similar questions with good or accepted answers. — itwasntme 20 secs ago
 
5:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You are wasting your time (and the reviewers' time) by editing questions that are unsalvageable. If your edits cannot make the question into something that is useful and answerable, then don't bother. Just flag the question as being in need of closure instead. — Cody Gray ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
@Qix yeah very very close to 100%. But now, after years, we still fall into such situations. Regardless if commercial or not, many posted questions are being correctly named and described but in the end they comes from the lack of understanding of the tools being in use. I believe the commercial user actually spends some time on research and investigating the issue, if he doesn't than just assume he gets less in his pocket. Regardless it all, I think all the questions showing major lack of understanding should be closed and later completely deleted. — itwasntme 49 secs ago
 
5:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hongsy
@Trilarion what is the autodeletion effect you mentioned? — hongsy 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
This is a bit funny for me. Stating your ideas in a bit different way without using the word 'which' for example 'i though about such solutions, is there anything better?' whouldn't occure in having Tiny Giant comment and probably the question wasn't closed. The funny part is in the "which" word what makes it "primarily opinion-based", where ppl closing that question could not see the latest one "Maybe there is some other solution I should try?". Besides, the end of your SO question could fall into "Avoid asking multiple distinct questions at once" and still being closed, that's the 2nd fun. — itwasntme 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curt J. Sampson
Saying Monica "had concerns" is misleading: she clearly stated that she felt she should be able to choose pronouns for others regardless of what they preferred to be called. This kind of attitude is one of the reasons SO has a "reputation of being rude" and, sadly, it's only gotten worse now that all the folks who want to attack "political correctness" have come out of the woodwork using this as an excuse. — Curt J. Sampson 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marc.2377
@CurtJ.Sampson, has she? Please point us to it. I believe you'll have a hard time in doing so, since AFAIK that's not Monica's position at all. — Marc.2377 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
That's the point where the SO didn't grow up to yet. "Write the one you feel is simplest", but the simplicity lays in the knowledge. Going to the codereview with a working but a very bad solution would still result in being downvoted. Programming is deterministic in pure meaning of this word, for all nondeterministic fine automata exists a deterministic one. Therefore, considering the environment of some future, there is a BEST way to implement such feature. — itwasntme 1 min ago
 
5:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
I understand the "context" part of Mat's comment, but while talking about the web interfaces it's still pretty obvious - working in browser. We're passed the times where one browser supported some features where other browsers didn't. Even if we move to server side, there should be a best solution for particular environment. I just went through lots of meta and SO questions, having kinda similar concerns. In one of the I saw "what factors should be taken under concideration for best one?", I still thinks its obvious - performance, simplicity, readability - in this order. — itwasntme 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Curt J. Sampson
@Marc.2377: "Monica Cellio, an experienced moderator of several SE sites, said that she writes in a gender-neutral way (avoiding third person singular pronouns), and she would like to continue to write that way." From the higest voted answer, a community wiki to "Summing up the main issues (The Story So Far)." Perhaps it's not an accurate summary of her position, in which case I would encourage you to edit it with references to specific quotes if available. — Curt J. Sampson 38 secs ago
 
 
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7:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
@Peter Mortensen - I dont even think anyone from SE are reading anything written in the community anymore and as written in my bio I've partially suspended myself and significantly reduced my activity anyway. For arguments sake, any use of the fictional terminology is merely used to tie in the current situation to something the reader will have seen before. — Sayse just now
 
7:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@hongsy the autodeletion effect is the same as what others call roomba effect (see meta.stackexchange.com/a/274590/270345). After 7, 28 and 365 days questions that fulfill certain criteria are automatically deleted by the system. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
8:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TravisJ What kind of questions would experts like to ask? Maybe more open ended or more opinion based? I thought that the more expert you get the more specific questions become but otherwise not much changes. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
8:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zypA13510
@curiousdannii That is what I did, but it seems like someone disagrees. That's why I asked. — zypA13510 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. Note that you need to do a lot of work on formatting this question properly before posting on the main site. — greg-449 12 secs ago
 
8:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zypA13510
@jwdonahue It is not simply "the presence of a semver string", most tools in the Node.js ecosystem (at least most tools I know) follows the semver range syntax defined by npm. That makes the question a semver-range question instead of a npm- question or yarn- or lerna- question. Again, I agree this is different from the actual semver specs, but it is general enough to not be called tool specific imho. To use your example, if the the post concerns only behavior of if statements in C, and if can mean different things in different language, would you not tag it with [c][if]? — zypA13510 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zypA13510
I understand downvotes mean disagree in meta, but what do downvotes mean in a A-or-B question? Neither? Or what? — zypA13510 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jwdonahue
The SemVer spec does not specify any range notation. Any discussion of version ranges that does not involve a question of precedence, as defined by the spec, should be considered out of scope for the Semantic-Versioning tag. — jwdonahue 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jwdonahue
It's a matter of what expertise are you looking for? If you want help understanding the spec, use the SemVer tag. If you want help with a tool specific feature, like npm version ranges, then use the npm tag and don't bother the rest of us who couldn't care less how npm works. — jwdonahue 36 secs ago
 
 
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10:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If the code is that long it's probably not an MRE, and without an MRE, many won't be able (or won't try) to answer the question. — Larnu 25 secs ago
 
10:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Arenburg
Your original question wasn't deleted by a moderator, rather it was roombaed (see the last section re the "If the question was closed more than 9 days ago, and ...") — David Arenburg 20 secs ago
 
11:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Had you edited the question to make it clearer, addressing the issues in the comments it might have been reopened. As you didn't, the system assumed you'd abandoned the question. — Robert Longson 36 secs ago
 
11:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
This is not a practice we accept here on Stack Overflow. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Maroun
You can add <br>s. — Maroun 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PanthersFan92
Why is this downvoted? It's a legitimate question — PanthersFan92 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The only 4 questions I can see wouldn't have given you a question ban, which means you have (several) heavily downvoted deleted questions we can't see. A moderator will hopefully give you links to those, if you do want to try to improve them. If you've asked, and deleted, a question in the last 6 months, that still counts as your ask attempt. If it was heavily downvoted, you may now be simply unable to ask (if there are enough of them). — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EML
@RobertLongson: the mod didn't say the question was unclear; he said it had "nothing to do with JavaScript or jQuery", before giving an incorrect answer, in a comment, and closing the question. Given this, surely my only option was to ask the question again, rather than attempting to persuade him to re-open it? — EML 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The fact that no one else commented, and that the mod closed it 2 days after their comment, after you had added no further details in the question (by means of an edit) speaks for itself there. Yes, you should have edited it to improve it. Then, like the other said, it wasn't the mod that deleted it it was automatically deleted, by Community♦ as the question appeared to have been abandoned. — Larnu 22 secs ago
 
11:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@yivi the diamond's gone, pretty quickly too I may add. There is one mod I know, on a very different site, who has said to have resigned, but their diamond remains on display after nearly 3 weeks. Another SE mystery, go and figure. — Mari-Lou A 27 secs ago
 
12:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EML
@Larnu: why do you say that the mod "closed it 2 days after their comment"? If the times on SO are to be believed, I posted the new question 16 hours and 14 minutes after the first question, after the first question had been closed. I didn't have to edit the question: the mod didn't ask for clarification. I instead replied to his comment. — EML 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EML
Ok, thanks. I only raised the issue here as a last resort because I was unaware of either of your first two options, despite a lot of searching on the FAQ and the moderator tag. Have I missed something obvious? Any more clues, please? :) — EML 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
"Honestly, how to ask questions on a question site? Instead of trying to improve a question the community here simply kills the user" -- The ban didn't just come out like a bolt in the blue as you've been given ample warning before the ban took hold. Please read the duplicate link as it should answer all your questions. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EML
To clarify... the contact form seems bit OTT. I'm sure the employees have more important things to worry about. What is a 'custom moderator flag'? All I can see is a flag for 'in need of moderator intervention', which is what I originally tried. — EML 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
The same way you do it in posts. Markdown supports double space before a line break. — user4642212 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@EML Your flag read ”I'd like to make a complaint about the arbitrary way in which this post was closed. How do I do that? Note that the comment left by the closer was both incorrect and unhelpful.”. That’s not really actionable by a moderator. Flags are no way to start a back and forth conversation. If you’d have written why exactly the moderators action was wrong and you’d like to have done about it, something might have happened. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
You had posted two entirely off topic questions on SO which should have been posted on Meta instead. In addition to other not well received questions. At this point the system simply doesn’t trust you to post good, on-topic questions anymore. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@EML A custom flag is what you used. But without a solid case, your flag will be declined. In your case, the flag you used included no case. Just a claim of "the mod actions were wrong". For a flag like this to be actionable, it needs to provide an explanation of why you disagree with the moderator's actions. If there was a case of a very obvious mistake (fat fingers pushing the wrong button), another mod may want to take action. But this was not the case here, so a more solid justification would be required. — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidPostill
With the <enter> key? — DavidPostill 1 min ago
 
1:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flame
Hm I've clicked through the first link you gave on my profile but it's a bit hard to get an overview on what I did wrong or right. Im also confused how I've managed to pass hundreds of reviews but only got penalties in the last week or so. I think you're right though that its worthwhile to edit questions more often than I do. Guess ill wait 2 weeks... — Flame 1 min ago
 
1:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
What do you say about the users simply killing the community though? — Patrice 12 secs ago
 
2:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Please note that flags are not the way in which moderators "interact" with the community. They are unsuitable for a dialog, and we aren't even given enough space to explain why we took a particular action in response to a flag. As a matter of policy, we decline "please reopen this question" flags as not things that require moderator attention, since the community can vote to reopen without moderator intervention. You can encourage a community review of a closed question by editing it, addressing the confusion/misunderstanding that led to its being closed. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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3:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by catastrophic-failure
When CMs leave it's bad for SE. When they go to other, similar projects, it's even worse for them. They are a big reason why SE attracted a loyal base, and if they move on, some people will move with them. — catastrophic-failure 44 secs ago
 
4:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user5783745
"The heavy users that answered your questions are also departing. They are just as fed up" - that's actually terrifying. The site could devolve into the blind leading the blind - nothing more than a site for fools. — user5783745 51 secs ago
 
 
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5:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by itwasntme
I agree with the most things you all are saying. The OP audit wasn't the best, cause the audited post was a NAA. Besides, When I see the answer having 2 or 3 short sentences I mostly flag them as NAA. Having a question answered by so small number of words looks like the question itself is pretty bad. For me such answers should appear as comment and question to be closed. I'm not sure if this is right approach, so if there's a discussion about it somewhere here, please provide some link (I couldn't find it). — itwasntme 1 min ago
 
 
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6:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Because some questions meet the requirements for both closure (off topic, duplicate, too broad, ...) and downvotes (no research, not useful, too broad, unclear). — jonrsharpe 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Questions are often downvoted for lack of research. Just because a question is closed, we've still read it and should still be able to opine on it. — Robert Longson 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
I wonder if Discourse would be better - one of the Stack Overflow founders was involved in the development of that product, and it is open source. — halfer 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
And also -- what research have you done for duplicates prior to asking this question? Have you done a search like this one: Google: why downvote closed questions site:meta.stackoverflow.com? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@Trilarion - I honestly don't know what kind of questions experts would like to ask, I just know that is the direction we should go in. Definitely more open ended. The issue is, and it is true that it would be more specific, however, and this is the important caveat, intensely researched specific questions can still be rather open ended and "opinion based". The thing about opinion based though, is that it isn't always just based on teh feels, if you know what I mean, sometimes it requires a highly experienced person in order to provide valuable feedback from their observations. — Travis J 1 min ago
 
7:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
You asked the question today! Be patient. (You have to wait at least 2 days before a bounty can be offered, even if you have a million 'dollars'.) Maybe come back later, and some kind, rich soul will add a bounty for you. — Adrian Mole 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
asking on sunday isn't the best choice too. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@yivi Although I'm not questioning your edit, I did like the idea of reputation points being dollars! 😊 ‎ — Adrian Mole 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
You share a link to the question on social media and other online communities that allow it. I would wait until Monday to do that. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
"One gone, one come" - I can't imagine anyone putting themselves forward for a job where you know the exact reasons why your predecessor left and what is happening on the inside. — Sayse 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
This is so sad. Challenging in court... So far from the primary goal of expert people who give their free time to answer questions to help others... — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sunday and Saturday is the only day I can ask it. I am at school at all other days, and when I get home I have too much homework — Julian Tiemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
then prepare it in the weekend, and post it during the week. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 19 secs ago
 
8:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Has QUIT--Anony-Mousse
A detail worth noting: SO heavy users peaked 2014, but stats.SE peaked 2017 and only dropped little since then, codegolf peaked 2017, superuser peaked already at its creation 2009, Ubuntu in 2012, English in 2015 - so its probably not a technical change causing the peaks; but rather a social thing. — Has QUIT--Anony-Mousse 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TravisJ When I think about typical work situations, when it's not about simple programming questions, it's mostly people running others through some of the harder problems they face and expecting not full blown solutions but expecting some sort of new impulses or error check. Typical answers would be "Have you tried X already?". It's super helpful but not sure if this is the right thing for public Q&A (how could others profit from it). Chat sounds more like the right place for such things. — Trilarion just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Does this answer your question? No Thanks, Damn It!Tom 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
We deal with that the same way we deal with all the other ways you can abuse markdown formatting: editing the post to remove this. Do you have an actual question here though? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Because we are here for the long term, and future visitors need the problem and the solution, not anything else. This is explained in the help center. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
(given that I didn't bother to read what you put in the [tag:...] syntax should give you an idea of how well received this is going to be if you did use this in your posts). — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nighmared
Thanks for the link (also thanks to whomever commented first with a link to another discussion and had his comment vanish) I'm seeing where this is coming from now. — nighmared 52 secs ago
 
9:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The comment was deleted when someone confirmed the duplicate. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Has QUIT--Anony-Mousse
I have replaced all figures with newer ones that simply take deleted questions into account; hence they are not much affected by the roomba. We do, however, see the lowered closing threshold now; and I do not see much of an effect of users leaving, beyond the usual decay of SO and christmas break. — Has QUIT--Anony-Mousse 1 min ago
 
10:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Also, keep in mind, this is an actual solution that the community can take care of. We do not need any freaking management decisions in order to enact this. The close reason set was designed so that individual exchanges could define what was on topic for their site. Our moderation team has the ability to modify these without any employee intervening. — Travis J 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@Trilarion - Chat is not a good fit, as it does not have wide adoption. Chat is good for people who are mostly at home wanting to not work. I strongly disagree that typical answers are going to be in the form of "have you tried X already", and strongly suggest a move towards a situation where answers can be in the form of "best practice dictates this type of approach". Seeing has how more and more developers are entering the field with lesser and lesser experience and background, it increasingly makes sense to provide this type of expert content at Stack Overflow. — Travis J 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VonC
For what it's worth, you can place me in the "Has NOT QUIT" camp. — VonC 48 secs ago
 
 
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11:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I'd upvote this answer, but it whines about downvotes, and I almost always downvote posts that do that... So conflicted... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 

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