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12:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheWanderer
Unless something changed recently, I think the code button in the editor still uses the indent method. — TheWanderer 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
4 space indenting for code had language specific highlighting years before using 3 ``` marks for code fencing was possible on Stack Exchange was possible. I suggest you read What is syntax highlighting and how does it work?Makyen 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
I sometimes use 4-space indent when posting a single standalone line of code, since it takes fewer characters than 3 backticks + newline + <code> + 3 backticks + newline. — CertainPerformance 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"It also does not have language-specific highlighting." ... can you proof that the language tag isn't used anymore for syntax highlighting? Currently looks like an empty argument. — Tom 43 secs ago
 
1:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Benjamin W.
A way around code fences messing up nested fenced blocks is using another character for the outer than the inner fences, for example outer ~~~ fences to nest inner ``` ones. — Benjamin W. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter
@BenjaminW. Thanks for this nice trick! — samcarter 54 secs ago
 
2:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Except the mods who have special glasses that allow them to look upon rene. @Adrian Don't worry about overloading the mods. That is what we're here for. Raising flags is not a problem, unless you're raising flags for things that you could have done yourself (i.e., don't flag a post when you could fix its problems by editing). I would also recommend not raising mod flags to appeal a review ban or even question a review outcome. Use Meta for that, as happened here. — Cody Gray ♦ 14 secs ago
 
3:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sam boosalis
MINUS SIGN (−) looks better to me. and it's semantically better. — sam boosalis 1 min ago
 
3:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Celsiuss
Wow, that is a lot of downvotes, sorry dudes. I didn't know you could use that language specification above the code. It just seems like many questions are posted with the 4 space indent, and without any language specification, which is why I asked this. — Celsiuss 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
And are you sure the new questions that get closed as dupe of this one aren't themselves XY-problems? — Kaiido 1 min ago
 
4:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Even though I don't normally like tag prefixes, I resolved in favor of [facebook-opengraph] being the "master" tag, since that one is officially sponsored by Facebook. — Cody Gray ♦ 36 secs ago
 
5:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you think it's incorrect, why haven't you downvoted it? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
That really sounds like a rhetorical question to my non-native ears. — Kaiido 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek Gurjar
It is certainly not a question it is an interrogative sentence I guess, OP is suggesting a other solution apart from asked. — Abhishek Gurjar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It isn't asking a new question. The question asks why A or B. The answer says, why not C instead? And then gives a code example. That is a perfectly valid answer as far as presentation goes. Is it a correct answer or a useful answer? I dunno. That's not what "not an answer" flags are for, though, and it's not what moderators judge, because we are not subject matter experts. If you think it's a wrong or useless answer, then you should downvote it. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by icecub
@RobertLongson As I've explained before in a different meta: Downvoting feels like punishment to me. I very rarily do it. Especially with low rep (not 1 rep) users that are clearly trying to be part of the community. Downvoting them doesn't feel like encouragement to do better, it just feels like pushing them away. Ok I admit, I should've at least commented in that case. Though in my mind the flag would handle it and it wasn't nessesary — icecub 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You should never be raising a "not an answer" or "very low quality" flag on a post that you are not willing to downvote. You should re-read the tooltip on the downvote arrow to see what it actually means. — Cody Gray ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
you should get out of that mindset. It's not helping all of those many people who read the question and waste their time trying this answer and then finding it doesn't work. Think of helping those many people by voting so they can tell not to try this. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by icecub
Alright. Well I guess I'll delete this question as Cody clearly answered it in the comments. Thanks for explaining it — icecub 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
In addition to what Robert says, your choosing not to downvote it means that a subject matter expert with delete privileges won't be able to vote to delete it. (Voting to delete requires that the answer have a negative score.) — Cody Gray ♦ 37 secs ago
 
5:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
What is your question ? — Shree 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rahul Choudhary
Cody, This only invites "junk" AI tactics. Real People answer questions, Hiding does not hide anything. Again, you have'nt answered the first point. Let me repeat, "just saw a question being "closed" by three individuals. The first individual is sufficient to make the point." — Rahul Choudhary 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@RahulChoudhary That's frankly insulting; I use a fake name because there are unfortunate people out there who will target you for reasons that aren't sane. I've answered plenty of questions under this alias; that it is an alias doesn't devalue the quality of my answers a single bit. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@RahulChoudhary Secondly, it isn't that three people decided to close a question to make a point; it is that it is required to have at least three in agreement to close a question. If it only required 1 person to close a question, we'd see abuse. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Rahul Regarding the "AI"/"Real People" argument, I refer you to this XKCD cartoon, which makes the point far better than I could in words. Regarding your first point, I din't address that because I didn't have anything interesting to say about that. The reason we require more than one person to vote to close a question is to ensure that there's some sort of checks-and-balances. Requiring a consensus of 3 users (it used to be 5, but was recently lowered to 3) helps ensure that questions are correctly closed. Lowering it to 1 would increase the false-positive rate. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
That would be a Safari bug with white-space: pre + word-wrap: break-words. Here is an min-repro that shows the buggy behavior on desktop version of Safari too. Now, SO team could also decide to remove this word-wrap: break-words rule since it doesn't seem quite useful here. — Kaiido 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Carp
Is there any way for someone on SOF to take a look at this and reply? — Ben Carp 1 min ago
 
6:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Jansen
As an ordinary user this disappoints me. Finding productive discussions which were cut off by close votes is already a frequent and frustrating experience for users. I understand that SO is more about curating questions than appealing to the masses, but these sorts of decisions tend to piss off more people (do most users even have accounts?) than I believe most moderators realize. — Alex Jansen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"It tends to screw up indentation on posts" so does the code fencing, honestly. Or rather, it's not a problem with how you mark something to be presented in code format, the problem is that people post not properly formatted code. So, it's going to have "screwed up indentation" whatever you use. There is also the people who use a code fence but start their code after the triple backticks, so the first line of code is omitted. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
7:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nisarg
@BenCarp I don't think there's a structured mechanism for that (yet). They may or may not look at it. They may have already considered the feature-request, and decided to ignore it in favor of more important items. — Nisarg 1 min ago
 
7:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
What is your question? — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nency Kadia
org.json.JSONException: No value for data org.json.JSONException: Unterminated object at character 15 of {Message=test message 1} — Nency Kadia 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
What I meant was: is there a problem with the post on Stack Overflow? It seems like you want to ask something about your question on Stack Overflow, please clarify. — Modus Tollens 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
You are on Meta Stack Overflow, where we ask questions about the main site itself. Do you have a question about an issue you encountered on Stack Overflow, or about your question-asking experience? — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rahul Choudhary
Gentlemen, I use a real name and I am the one who felt targeted here. show cartoons to your kids, Merry Christmas with all due respect. Now who is the admin of this site? — Rahul Choudhary 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@RahulChoudhary There is no one single admin. Cody is an elected moderator, which aside from the Community Managers, or SE staff, is about as high as you can get on the ladder. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I agree that names of close voters are pretty insignificant, it could be hidden behind a collapsible for all I care. — Trilarion 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@RahulChoudhary If you came across something really offensive, you should flag it. But if you felt not taken seriously by a user having a cartoon user image or a made up name, I am afraid you have to live with it. This is no social network; what counts is the quality of the post. Please try to focus on that instead. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I remember that it was one of the first things that really seemed odd about the network, that I constantly created new accounts on each sub site. I got used to it over time, but not only from a maintenance perspectiva but also from a user experience point of view one can ask if this really necessary. — Trilarion 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@NencyKadia Your post is mostly code. Add non-code details, as the warning message tells you to. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
I wonder if this question could be a case of a misunderstanding of the expression "closed" on Stack Overflow. I see a ton of comments over there stating "accept this answer to mark the question as closed". It seems like a lot of users believe "closed" means "answered". This might be the case here. — Modus Tollens 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy_rm
Although it takes time, answers relying on newer language implementations will make it to a top position eventually. I think the current system can indeed be improved by adding an "age" factor to votes. But I don't think it's necessary per se. Looking at my top answer to a question about array slicing in C# (posted 10 years ago), it has garnered 19 votes since posting in April, bringing it to the fifth spot, which IMO is well within visibility range for anyone taking the time to find relevant answers I think people looking for "new implementations" already have their answers sorted by "active" — Remy_rm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear, // Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair, // Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy, // was he? ♫ — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Viney
People will stop at whatever answer gets the job done. So it's not a big problem as this isn't codereview ,if an answer doesn't work they will scroll to one below it — Viney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don't understand your concern about people not using their real names, @Rahul. If it's accountability that you're worried about, have no fear: Users are fully accountable for their actions here, regardless of what name they choose to use. That name is their identity, and all of their actions are stamped/logged with it. I should also point out that having a question closed is not evidence of targeting. If you have a genuine concern about being targeted, please raise it via a moderator flag on the post. These are confidential, and we take them seriously. Merry Christmas to you as well! — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@ModusTollens Maybe, though the accept text doesn't make any mention of the word "closed" for me. For quick reference: "Click to accept this answer because it solved your problem or was the most helpful in finding your solution (click again to undo)". — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Trilarion I think you may have accidentally posted that comment on the wrong answer. It has no obvious relevance to this discussion about Megan's departure. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Megan Risdal
What @Trilarion said — Megan Risdal 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CodyGray The connection is her legacy blog post. In that she describes the amount of maintenance effort it takes to have per site profiles and proposes to unify them. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica You are right. It would be interesting to find out why many users associate "closed" with "answered". My guess: they notice "closed" banners on question that happen to have an answer and wrongly associate one with the other. — Modus Tollens 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@ModusTollens could also be a more "traditional" forum mentality. Normally, you'd post a question (you'd have a bunch of posts misunderstanding it) and get an answer that resolves it. When that happens, the question is usually marked "SOLVED" (the word is appended to the title) and the thread is closed. So solving = closing on a lot of other places on the World Wide Web. — VLAZ 24 secs ago
 
9:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
When I see what kind of answers I see someone wrote instead of an answer, then I'm happy those weren't comment. Useless as a comment and useless as an answer, but answers by new users are reviewed, comments aren't. — Tom 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
If you downvote my question, please provide a comment as expected. Thanks. — Federico Navarrete 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
Hi @Tom, yes, I expect it since I avoid meta for this kind of nice backslash from this area. I rarely add comments even when you downvote maybe you have noticed that you get an advice to leave a comment. — Federico Navarrete 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"If you downvote my question, please provide a comment as expected." expected by you, not the majority of users and especially useless on meta. Maybe lookup what voting means here? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"maybe you have noticed that you get an advice to leave a comment" only on a certain level of reputation. And it still wouldn't make much sense on meta. — Tom just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
Hi @Daedalus-ReinstateMonica, let's say it like this. I know it costs nothing, but typically, I get a combination of bad comments in this section plus negative points. — Federico Navarrete 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@FedericoNavarrete Backlash? Are you referring to the negatives votes on this post that don't cost you anything? — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
Hi @ModusTollens thanks for the Link, I came directly here. Since from time to time like in the case of: We’re lowering the close/reopen vote threshold from 5 to 3 for good. This change only applies to StackOverflow not the entire community. — Federico Navarrete 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
Hi @Daedalus-ReinstateMonica, I didn't expect is mandatory. No one is forced to do something or like in my case to ask questions here or like I'll delete soon the question because it's a pointless case as always. — Federico Navarrete 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Does this answer your question? 50 reputation points to make commentsTom 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve
Can we go back to the point? Should we allow new users to comment without limitation or not? The answer is in the link posted by @ModusTollens — Steve 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abhishek Gurjar
Untill 2k rep it will be in review queue after 2k SO trusts its users. — Abhishek Gurjar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
Right, only people with more than 1M reputation should be able to edit these posts. — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
The review queue is not 100% accurate. Many users just accept the edit without making an effort to see the edit changes or the weight of the post. — Kampai 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, human are fallible, sadly. It's a shame. No system is foolproof, since they keep making better fools. — yivi 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
There have been a lot of BF interpreter questions this month, other users that asked for help are Silver, Vovanium, Henrique Sabino, The Hoff, Alien, Thomas Teixeira, Gio Gio, coder3101. All with the exact same task, when you yell out these names in the class room then you're pretty likely to get a response. Pooling resources is best. Also pass compliments to the instructor for giving an assignment that they can't get help with, demerits for shopping out the job to a web site. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Then bad edits succeed, then don't forget to roll them back and to flag the post so a mod can issue a review suspension for the reviewers when appropriate. — Tom 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Papa Grisha
@HansPassant "There have been a lot of BF interpreter questions this month" That's great, but that still doesn't mean my question deserves to get closed. Furthermore that's not even the reason Jean and mkgrieger1 closed it. "Also pass compliments to the instructor for giving an assignment that they can't get help with, demerits for shopping out the job to a web site." Please, repeat that, but in plain English. — Papa Grisha 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
Thanks yiyi. It is my suggestion to make this community better and accurate. I'm a Swift developer, today I saw that one user was doing wrong edit on extended class. And he did this kind of change on many highly upvoted answers and you know what most of his edits approved. That is why I realize to raise a flag. — Kampai just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Kampai That is a bad situation, right, but only a symptom of the real issue: bad reviewers. Bad edits from anyone (below 2k) must be prevented from those reviewers, not just the ones from new users (usually below 500 points). — Tom 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It's "yivi", not "yiyi". And remember to raise a custom flag if you see someone making a string of bad reviews. A string of bad edits it's usually a self-solving problem, since those users tend to get edit-banned, but if you see a bad editor flying under the radar, flag that as well. — yivi 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
Let's hope that in the future SO can make it better. — Kampai 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
No he cannot. You need at least 50 rep to comment. — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
Well, he can add a comment below the answer. — Kampai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ashleedawg
"A source-to-source compiler (S2S compiler), transcompiler or transpiler is a type of compiler that takes the source code of a program written in a programming language as its input and produces the equivalent source code in the same or a different programming language. A source-to-source compiler translates between programming languages that operate at approximately the same level of abstraction, while a traditional compiler translates from a higher level programming language to a lower level programming language." (Source: wiki) — ashleedawg 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
Yes, it's a trade off. Either you can go with pure answer ( it is high repo answer, only if contains best solution) or you can allow anyone to play with it. — Kampai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Navarrete
If we limited the amount of daily comments to 5 or 10 before the 50 threshold people would think smartly when they add any comment. Especially, if it's not only the be awesome! +1! It won't be perfect, but it would be a better solution that restricting them to no comment and allowing bad answers. — Federico Navarrete 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
And for your case, Brendan Eich does not have to edit the actual post. He can add a new answer with an updated version, which is the most common case in SO. — Kampai 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
And Brendan shouldn't edit the post. The consensus here is that language specific updates should be posted as a new answer. — Tom 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phong Nguyen
Actually, I wanna know why I am still getting the msg ban and can't post again although I've tried to give the quality answers to earn reputation. — Phong Nguyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
As you can read in the linked post, you should improved your questions to get out of a question ban. — Modus Tollens 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@tom ^^ ... ... — Jonas Wilms 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@kampai okay, yeah, the outdated language feature is not a good example. Let's say there is a little typo somewhere... — Jonas Wilms 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3) — Samuel Liew ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
I am not sure about the SO standards that when to post a new answer or when to make an edit. But I am just sharing my thoughts, I may wrong but this is how I feel. And thanks for sharing the example. — Kampai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Quality answers only slightly work towards getting out of the question ban. You need quality questions and improve your old, badly received questions, even the deleted ones. Often a mod will come around and provide you links to your deleted posts, so you can check and improve them, when possible. — Tom 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
:) you're genius. I am done :D — Kampai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@tom and that's the whole point of this answer :) — Jonas Wilms 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
In that case I agree with you. Improvements should be possible by everyone, even anonymous users. I'm against the proposed change anyway. The issue here aren't the bad edits, but the reviewers accepting those bad edits. — Tom 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phong Nguyen
I can't undelete, It requires me "Vote to undelete this post? (3 votes remaining)". Could you pls help me upvote to give me a chance to improve my question? — Phong Nguyen 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Are you sure that's the more succinct example you can come up with to try to pinpoint your issue? Couldn't you reduce your code to a more minimal expression that clearly identifies the problem? Also, the output of your program does not match what you state in your question. You can clearly see that if you run the repl.it you linked yourself. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Edit your question first, then flag to request for undeletion. — Samuel Liew ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
When you cast an undelete vote on your post, then that post will be pushed in a review queue and fellow users will review the question and check if it merits undeletion. Also make sure to edit and fix the post before you cast the undelete vote. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Papa Grisha
@yivi "Are you sure that's the more succinct example you can come up with to try to pinpoint your issue?" Yes. I even I didn't even call free in order to make it shorter. There's no way to make it even shorter. "Also, the output of your program does not match what you state in your question." Yes, because I changed it in order to try what was suggested by one comment. II changed the Brainfuck code to what's originally in the question, and now it prints exactly what I said it would. — Papa Grisha 42 secs ago
 
10:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Kampai Can you show an example of such bad Swift edit? — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
 
10:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rahul Choudhary
Thank you Rene, Cody. Please present question solutions (closures) after the question, not above it with 3 persons. The response to the last question felt like a virtual brawl that i could'nt figure out were humans or bots; have an anti lynching in my state for even 2 folks trying to get on top on one, in the real world. hushaby, and the pretty little ponies. ♫ — Rahul Choudhary 1 min ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
You are on Meta. This question will not be answered here and you may want to go over the Checklist and How to Ask before you repost on Stack Overflow. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Best course of action? Disengage. Do not reply. Go your way and move past this interaction. If the user keeps posting unwelcome feedback on your post, flag for moderator attention. While you keep moving away. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
Andrew Henle has posted denigrating comments and misrepresented my position. I had to flag him. He doesn't want to discuss the subject and answer precise question. — curiousguy 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@curious Unwelcome by the user receiving them. Once you make a point in a comment under post, if the post author is not receptive to your comments, just move away and leave them alone. — yivi 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@yivi How are contradicting arguments "unwelcome"? — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
"The user has claimed to have written multithreaded code using volatile and that it works correctly." I did no such thing actually. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Edit is OK. See Class-only protocols, class vs AnyObject? According to Slava Pestov since Swift 4 both are equivalent and class has been effectively deprecated. Since Swift 3 is obsolete, there is no harm done in updating old answers to newer syntax. Having said that, I am not really fond of such code edits and would prefer leaving comment to the OP instead, especially when older syntax is still working (unless something is changed in newest Swift, which I haven't used yet) — Dalija Prasnikar 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Henle
@yivi I was hoping sunlight might be the best disinfectant. I guess not... He apparently even downvoted this question. — Andrew Henle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Henle
@curiousguy No one is preventing you from actually providing evidence and examples to support your claims. — Andrew Henle just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
"hoping sunlight might be the best disinfectant" That doesn't apply to your claim? Do you not want to defend your claim re: multiprocessing? I though you would enjoy the space offered by the chat system, which is more practical than the comments, to prove your point. — curiousguy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@yivi I thought SO was not a user oriented site but a knowledge oriented site. The claims presented in his answer are utterly wrong, I would say 200% wrong. I have argued that; he replied with arrogant and incoherent dismissive answers, refusing to address my core objections and never presenting a precise counterpoint. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@AndrewHenle I wouldn't recommend getting into it with someone you feel is harassing you. Just flag the comments and walk away. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@curious The advise about "moving away from conflicting interactions" is valid for you as well. You found content you are convinced is wrong. You commented on that fact. Was the response not constructive? Move away. If it was actually rude, first flag and then move away. Nobody wants to be this person. — yivi 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Panagiotis Kanavos
We can see the comment trail ourselves. — Panagiotis Kanavos 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
I find it problematic to call out users openly on meta, to be honest. It's best to disengage or raise a moderator flag in extreme cases. Dragging a dispute to meta could be like pouring oil into a fire, and in most cases all participants are to blame anyway. This question could have easily been asked without mentioning user names. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Henle
@ModusTollens Fair point, but I'm actually hoping to actually resolve this. I try to provide the best technical answers I can - I use this site a lot and think I need to give back. If he has a problem with my answer, show me what's wrong. He's continually throwing rocks at it, but not providing examples that show it's wrong. — Andrew Henle just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M went to fund Monica
@ModusTollens This OP didn't call them out on Meta though, they called out the content of the comments and asked what to do. Yes, the answer is to raise a mod flag, but one has to actually go looking for the comments to figure out who the user was... Except of course that the commenting user came and made themselves known. — Davy M went to fund Monica 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Panagiotis Kanavos
Both at SO and here. — Panagiotis Kanavos 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@yivi I feel the person has some ideas about multiprocessor machines (he wrote "you need to do some work on 256-CPU NUMA systems and not two-core x86 systems") so I thought he might have interesting things to say about NUMA, and the chat was a good place; I always feel more interactions can resolve misunderstandings if people are willing to listen. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@DavyMwenttofundMonica By "calling out a user" I meant linking to content as well. "This user is coming across to me as very harassing" is actually making the question about a specific user - MSE should not be the place for this. — Modus Tollens 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@curiousguy My comment was not directed at you. I don't care if it was or was not harassment. The proper response is to flag and walk away. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@AndrewHenle "I try to provide the best technical answers I can" So I invented you on the chat so that we can resolve the issue. — curiousguy 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Henle
The "harassment" was merely replying to false (and ridiculous) claims Q.E.D. — Andrew Henle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M went to fund Monica
Actually, I suggest not commenting, closing the tab and walking away for a bit. That goes for the OP as well. — Davy M went to fund Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica The "harassment" was merely replying to false (and ridiculous) claims and insisting that Hans Boehm wrote interesting things about data races that people should understand. — curiousguy 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
This doesn't provide an answer to the question asked. If you want to comment, then do that. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
The claims that async signal handling and "portable" usually go together is ridiculous indeed. Also the claim that MMIO code can be portable. Do you claim to know of portable MMIO code? Can you defend that? — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@curiousguy Please just walk away. The content under dispute between you two is not the question under review; the question under review is what to do if one is experiencing harassing comments. The answer is to flag and walk away. This question is not the place to discuss your content dispute. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kampai
@DalijaPrasnikar: It is an example, there are many edits that are directly edited just to make it compatible with the new version but at the same time it deviates with the older version. If someone just blindly copy to and working in the older version it will give an error. As a result - downvote!!! — Kampai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica Please tell the OP to remove that line "The user has claimed to have written multithreaded code using volatile and that it works correctly." which is a lie. — curiousguy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M went to fund Monica
@curiousguy If you're feeling personally attacked, raise a custom mod flag. You're both feeling attacked by the other and both persuing actions that make the other feel attacked. Staying will only make it worse. That's why you should walk away. — Davy M went to fund Monica 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Panagiotis Kanavos
@AndrewHenle just ignore everything. It's been 3 years, the answer essentially links to an Intel article but someone decided to comment on your question instead of Intel's article. The target could have been any answer in that question, in fact the other ones are far more detailed — Panagiotis Kanavos 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@curiousguy For the reasons I have already outlined. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica Why would I walk away when I'm personally attacked? — curiousguy 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Again: this is not the place to argue. You could both state your viewpoint calmly and professionally in comments on the original post or in the post itself - and then let users vote. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus - Reinstate Monica
@curiousguy I am not a mod. If you want it removed, flag it yourself. — Daedalus - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@DavyMwenttofundMonica I was convinced that a chat would solve things. I have seen many disagreements being resolved in a chat which offers more place to express nuances and arguments. My point is to explain why volatile is NOT limited to the set {setjmp, signals, MMIO} which is a technical C language argument. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica The answer is MU as the question is wrongcuriousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@Daedalus-ReinstateMonica I would like the OP to remove it himself to show good faith. In case he thought he meant to defend that claim re: write complete MT programs using only volatile, I've made clear that I'm not defending that idea. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I know. That is why I am generally not fond of such edits. But in this case I don't think it will cause any harm. — Dalija Prasnikar 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@RahulChoudhary the post notices moved to the top recently so that ship has sailed. — rene 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by curiousguy
@yivi "Disengage. Do not reply." For how much time? For which question? Should I abstain to reply to false claims re: volatile on every questions where some other user is involved too? I can't do that as I tend to quickly forget the id of users I have interacted with, after some time. — curiousguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I wish we could have more clear guidance in help center about editing code. something like meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260245/…Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by treyBake
why does it annoy you if someone is called foo and their picture is of a cat if they provide a well-structured answer/question? SO is a content and quality first website - not a social media platform — treyBake 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nathanchere
+1 getting this as well. I don't even care about the feature itself, rather that whenever anyone asks or edits a question they get a visual cue that suggests there was an error. — nathanchere 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew
@SamuelLiew I would say it didn't take long - stackoverflow.com/questions/59285526/… - likelihood is we'll continue to get similar questions going forward where normally they'd have simply used the one which is closed. — Matthew 35 secs ago
 
12:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
@BenKelly - It just happened again and it happens at my home pc and work pc two different environments. Nothing special in terms of client side setups, im on chrome on windows 10, this also happens on safari on a mac. I can post a screen shot. This happens only on teams when I edit a tag or add a new tag to a question. — JonH 54 secs ago
 
12:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@JonH the team name is in that screenshot of the dev console. You okay with that? — rene 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
I'm going to guess you meant to post this at stackoverflow.com. You've posted this to Meta StackOverflow instead. — SecretAgentMan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SecretAgentMan
"Please ensure people use their real names and pictures when talking to people." No, just no. — SecretAgentMan 46 secs ago
 
1:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I really like the concept of voting is anonymous and don't fancy to complicate that feature with except in these cases. The benefit of this feature is unclear to me. — rene 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Is it an improvement of the content and a non-trivial edit? I would say mostly yes. — Trilarion 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I voted for reopening the question because it seems to contain the full code to reproduce the problem. It could maybe be simplified further by using a simpler Brainfuck programm, something that only prints a single character for example, and testing it and I think the effort shown for debugging yourself is not very big. I'm not an expert in Brainfuck and don't really want to answer homework questions, that's why I won't answer it, but if somebody else wants to, I would not object. — Trilarion 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kami Kaze
I would argue that it is trivial in most cases, thats why I ask. I approved when it was clearly an improvment but this is not always the case. — Kami Kaze 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I don't see any value in this proposal. For what purpose? What closure? — Dalija Prasnikar 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
What about a downvote from the OP? and if the OP don't want to upvote? will you spam him with comments like : don't forget to upvote ? — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Randomly making lists out of text that's not a list in any way is bad imo. Note that only one of these actually got reviewed by the queue (with 1 reject), the other two got accepted by the (low-rep) OP. If a user is making many bad edits, you can consider mod-flagging, but if you notice it in the queue you can just reject. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian - Reinstate Monica
I'm maybe not the best person to post an answer here (not yet a yearling), so I'll leave it as a comment. The thing is, reviewers are all (mostly?) human and, as such, we will have a degree of subjectivity in what we consider a good or bad edit. I think maybe that's the point. However, in case of extremely trivial edits that really make no improvement, then "Reject" is appropriate. But, sometimes, even a very minor change can give a big improvement (e.g. if OP misspelled "warehouse" as "whorehouse" - it would be a good edit to correct). — Adrian - Reinstate Monica 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kami Kaze
@ErikA Yes I think I rejected it, but OP approved and may even copy the style in the future. — Kami Kaze 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PYB
The benefit is that when posting an answer, you are proposing a solution and getting validation that your solution was accepted reinforces your thoughts on the issue. If a solution is not accepted/upvoted that leaves some speculation about the relevance of the answer. In the world of Computer Science, everything changes so what was once a valid and relevant answer might not be anymore. Knowing the OP has upvoted confirms your solution is still up to date and relevant. I'm not suggesting anything about downvotes, and spamming is still undesirable just as it is asking OP to accept the answer. — PYB 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
Don't forget the companies that block imgur so it could be a situation where the image is hosted in a place they can use because imgur is blocked. — Joe W 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PYB
@rene I like the anonymity as well but when you expose yourself asking a question, you should be fine with exposing yourself if you upvote the answer. I am not talking about the identity of ALL upvoters, only if it's from the OP. — PYB 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
You can ping them in the edited question using @username, but note that their name may not autocomplete. You can add a link back to this meta question in the comment. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@PYB "Knowing the OP has upvoted confirms your solution is still up to date and relevant." - The answer might be relevant to the OP, but often the OP is not the best person do judge on the correctness of a answer. Other users might be more experienced in the topic, making their votes more valuable than the one given by OP. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PYB
@ModusTollens I agree for some higher-level concept questions, but when it comes to debugging, only the OP can provide feedback as if the answer fixed the issue. — PYB 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rrrafalsz
this makes no sense for reasons stated in many answers below. i will never upvote a question again. — rrrafalsz 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kami Kaze
hopefully the ping was succesful on this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/59281987/…Kami Kaze 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
If only OP can provide feedback if the answer solved issue usually suggests few things. First, that question does not have proper minimal reproducible example and next, that it is very unlikely that such Q/A pair will help future visitors and as such probably should not have been answered in the first place. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Yes, sometimes somewhat unclear question can be answered by wild guessing and if guessing is correct question can be improved and made useful for broader audience. It is far easier to ask OP for feedback in comment if you think it really matters so much in particular case. — Dalija Prasnikar 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@PYB I've seen programming beginners accept quick fixes from other beginners because they seemed to fix their problem when in reality they didn't, or introduced new potential errors - I'd be very careful to associate acceptance marks and upvotes from OP with "good and correct answer". (For that reason, I wish we would get rid of the acceptance mark, or at least don't display accepted answers at the top automatically.) — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
there used to be a button at the right side but only with a magnifier image. — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
As someone who doesn't make any particular effort to hide who I am, I still disagree greatly that anyone should ever be required to expose themselves. It invites harassment outside the site. — fbueckert 11 secs ago
 
2:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
We could tell you, but that would be cheating — Machavity 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
@rene that wont matter it does not affect security for that matter. — JonH 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Papa Grisha
@Trilarion The idea that someone would assign writing a Brainfuck interpreter as homework is amusing. As for debugging, I indeed haven't done much, because the IDE doesn't even let you debug. — Papa Grisha 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Trilarion In an ideal implementation OP would never have seen the names of the close voters; it'd've been hidden behind a 3k rep privilege, if only they implemented the new banners the way we asked... — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
Everything that makes life easier for others is good. Replacing urls with links, image urls with images, code formatting/indention etc. pp. I say thanks to everyone who does these kinds of edits — Ctx 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by maytham-ɯɐɥʇʎɐɯ
actually I know but it is secret — maytham-ɯɐɥʇʎɐɯ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul
What does it take to stop a bad guy with a text editor? A good guy with a text editor. — Paul just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Kelly
@JonH Thanks for the screenshot of the dev console. You're definitely hitting the server there and getting a 404 back... Let me look into this some more today. — Ben Kelly ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Wouldn't it be easier (and better in case of privacy) to just show a popup for new OPs when they upvote saying they could also consider accepting the answer when it solves their issue? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul
 
3:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Probably because there is more stuff in the top nav than in the body of the results page. — BSMP 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ḿűỻịgǻṇạcểơửṩ ᛗ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
@Ḿűỻịgǻṇạcểơửṩᛗ, Why? It's SO. You bing copy and past to mouse button and you are ready for programming, answering, and asking. — Drag and Drop 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Rahul Unfortunately, Stack Overflow's on-site search is very poor at finding duplicates, unless you know the ends and outs of how to tweak it. It's been that way for years, with many issues/meta questions about it. I believe that, if the person asking does search, the poor on-site search capability is the primary reason they don't find obvious duplicates. I strongly recommend you use an off-site search engine to look for questions relating to your issues (e.g. you can use this Google search to search just Stack Overflow). — Makyen 1 min ago
 
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