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1:58 AM
@coldspeed Ahh AI, that's great!
 
2:19 AM
This week's meeting of the Procrastinators' Support Group is cancelled because I didn't plan it. I'll start planning next week's later.
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4:13 AM
No?
 
?oN
 
 
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5:24 AM
@nyconing Is up now
 
 
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7:19 AM
hello everyone
is there any ios developer, who is nominated for elections.
 
Hi @akbar. The elections are for moderator roles, which doesn't co-relate to a user's technical expertise
It's more about their ability to handle flags.
 
@BhargavRao thank for leting me know.
 
For example, if you see someone who is being rude, you flag that person. The moderators then contact the user who is being rude..
No worries, take care while voting
 
@BhargavRao i asked this because i am new here, and this is my first time to participate in elections
 
Glad that you asked and checked before voting.
Look at the nominations and the meta profiles before voting.
 
7:24 AM
is there any benefit for us in this elections.
@BhargavRao
 
You get more moderators, which means more people who will handle your flags.
 
@BhargavRao understood
thanks
 
And choosing the right mod will benefit everyone
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You're welcome :)
 
@AndrasDeak understood, thanks for your humble reply.
 
7:27 AM
thank you for being an informed voter :)
 
7:38 AM
you are welcome @AndrasDeak
 
Can I volunteer for any tasks?
I'd like to be a part of this election with some contribution.
 
Unfortunately, you need to have 150 reputation to vote...
However you can help by sharing the voting page link to new users as they come in, and ask for directions. The link to the voting page is stackoverflow.com/election/11
 
7:54 AM
Oh Snap. Okay, I'll share the link. Thanks your time tho. :)
 
You're welcome, thanks for spending your time in order to volunteer.
It's the thought that counts. :)
 
 
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bSr
10:45 AM
Can I volunteer for any tasks?
I'd like to be a part of this election with some contribution.
What is the process of doing the same?
 
What's up with all the volunteers? The election is running fine on its own, thanks :)
we don't need to count votes or to monitor the booths, so all you have to do is cast your vote after informing yourself about the candidates
of course if there's anything you want to ask the candidates after reading their nomination, comments under their nomination, and meta questionnaire, you can do that here
 
11:41 AM
thank you for informed :) but how to votes can anyone please let me know?
 
Mar 5 at 19:01, by Undo
Go here to vote.
 
oh, Thanks a lot :D
 
12:13 PM
Any mods active that can delete this answer to the questionnaire?
 
@Cerbrus can delvote now
 
Excellent
Gone :-)
 
1:04 PM
can I vote for myself?
 
you can't even vote for others
 
rigged elections
 
yeah
 
Please read the yellow block at the right of this page, @VioAriton
 
ymz
Good luck @Zoe :)
 
Zoe
1:07 PM
Thanks ^^
 
1:27 PM
FOR ANY MODERATOR CANDIDATES OR MODERATORS READING THIS:
A whole lot of people (myself included), want Stack-Overflow to become a friendlier place. It would be nice if moderators would take rude-comment flags a bit more seriously. 99.99% of the time, narcissistic, self-righteous users will use some form of irony to diminish a person, for something as simple as asking a "stupid" question (been there myself). There's no such thing as stupid questions; only poor research effort to find the appropriate answer!
 
@P.Soutzikevich Rude comment flags are taken seriously. In fact it only needs two flags for a comment to be automatically deleted.
 
@P.Soutzikevich Do you have an example of one not taken seriously?
 
@CalvT Of course, I'm not saying they aren't. I'm just saying that more emphasis is needed on comments that are more in the grey zone (between rude-ironic).
@Machavity No, right now I don't. I guess I shouldn't have started this conversation a bit more prepared :p
should*
 
Just to be clear, we have normal flags and red flags. Normal flags (i.e. no longer needed) Just remove the comment, but red flags remove the comment AND get the user in trouble.
I can see situations where someone raises a red flag on a comment that simply needs deletion and that flag gets declined
 
Comment flags are dealt with in a hilariously heavy-handed way
so I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve
 
1:33 PM
@P.Soutzikevich I flag quite a few comments. If they're borderline I will flag "no longer needed" instead of "rude", but either way it's rare for any comment flag to be declined.
 
And that was my next point. I seldom have comment flags declined. Comments are ephemeral to the network and get treated as such
 
@P.Soutzikevich for what it's worth "poor research effort" is exactly what leads to stupid questions, which do exist
On the other hand smart people can do stupid things, so just because someone asks a stupid question doesn't diminish them as a person. On the gripping hand there's no need to name a stupid question as stupid to handle it.
 
@Machavity @StephenKennedy Thanks for pointing that out.
 
@P.Soutzikevich You too can help fight rude comments if you want to and have time. There's a bot which reports potentially rude/heated comments to the SOBotics chat room, and users can flag them if they agree.
 
@AndrasDeak While I agree that there's a lot of people who expect a spoon-fed solution and come to SO for that, I don't think that any question should be characterized as 'stupid'
@StephenKennedy Yes, I always flag when I spot such comments
 
1:37 PM
some questions are stupid whether or not you characterize them
whether we should say that they're stupid is another matter
 
I think about it like this:
Some questions should never be asked, because the answer is very easy to find
 
@P.Soutzikevich Welcome to curating SO
 
guys first one to write 'I love Tacos and Melons' I will vote for him
 
I love Tacos and Melons
 
Annnd we have a winner !
 
1:42 PM
Good luck trying to vote for me, and thanks in advanced! :)
 
you are not in the list !
 
@P.Soutzikevich You're not going to get much disagreement on that, nor on the goal of deleting rude comments I'm afraid :)
 
@P.Soutzikevich Protip: If you know a question has been asked before, flag it for duplicate closure
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@M.Gara No, I'm not. We have some great candidates; please if possible take the time to read their nominations and vote for what you see as the best 3 people, in order of preference
 
@P.Soutzikevich : I'm a lazy dude myself, I dont mind reanswering a question already been answered (cause I dont have enough priviliges to marke it as a duplicate)
 
1:46 PM
also re him, at least one of those great candidates is she/her
 
@M.Gara that's a good way to ruin Stack Overfow, keep at it
 
@AndrasDeak we all make mistakes. and we all have to start somewhere at some points.
 
just don't be surprised when you get downvotes on answers to blatant dupes
 
well downvote or upvote is not an issue ... rude answers are.
stupid answers are an issue.
 
rude answers aren't usually answers
 
1:50 PM
well let me tell you that sometimes I see rude answers from fellas of 10k .. answering a dude with '1' reputation.
 
rep is irrelevant
 
@M.Gara If you see rudeness, please flag it
 
the dude is desperate, created an account on stackoverflow just to get an answer ... and the moment he posted it ... 30 seconds later is getting smashed with rude comments on how to behave and all the blabla bla bla ...
 
yeah, having to adhere to a community you're engaging with is the worst
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I agree
allright gents gotta go back to work ! have a nice week ! @StephenKennedy don't worry I will take my time to vote !
 
1:53 PM
@M.Gara Good to hear, thanks for dropping by
 
@M.Gara Remember: only one candidate is smart enough to wear a hard hat :P
 
But was he smart before or after suffering the first head trauma that sparked his interest in hard hats...?
 
Remember, all the other candidates are so strong they don't need to wear a hard hat :P
 
a real hero wears a cape !
 
Machavity has spotted a floating voter. He'll be back in a cape shortly :)
 
1:59 PM
lmfao
 
@M.Gara No capes!
 
@StephenKennedy I dunno. It might reming @MadaraUchiha too much of a certain someone
 
$25 dollar cape - the last of the big spenders! :)
 
@Machavity ... nah this one is better : www-s.mlo.me/upen/v/tb2017/tb201702/tb20170217/…
 
@M.Gara Ah, the often ignored Superman-in-his-parents-basement
 
Zoe
2:19 PM
Piling on is a huge issue unfortunately. Some users who for an instance use caps lock on a block of text by accident usually get a bunch of "Why are you shouting?" comments, which are just absolutely useless. Then there's rude stuff on top of that. It shouldn't be posted in the first place, but it still is. As mentioned though, flags are usually handled quickly. Unfortunately, they're marked as valid and the comment isn't removed if the post is deleted (but not the comment), which means it's still around for any OP's and 10k users.
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@M.Gara that's not very safe for work
 
I usually see comments about "Piling on" in regards to downvotes... But in those cases, those votes are more often than not perfectly fine.
 
@P.Soutzikevich 99.99% is a bit of a bold stat
 
user3956566
2:48 PM
I'm enjoying the pasta flags @Zoe ;)
 
So how does a community moderator resign?
 
user3956566
they say they want to step down
 
user3956566
It's a lifetime appointment and some mods come back after stepping down
 
It seems that more people today would rather down a question then help I really feel that someone could ask how to add 2 numbers together in a certain language and instead of an answer they will get an onslaught of mockery before the question is put on hold as offtopic
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb they're better with some tomato paste and a couple spices and meat uwu
 
user3956566
2:51 PM
and cheese. cheese makes everything better... except things it doesn't make better
 
Zoe
Now I want enchiladas xd
 
user3956566
@JosephWilliamson the onus is on the questioner to search the site before asking. The site doesn't accept duplicates
 
user3956566
@Zoe yeh I'm hungry too now
 
@YvetteColomb Ah thanks, I was wondering about that recently as Wikipedia is the same in theory but it seems to have become a hot topic
@JosephWilliamson Questions are mostly put on hold by regular users like you and I, not diamond moderators
and if there is mockery or rudeness, please flag it so that mods can clean it up and take further action if necessary
 
I'm not saying that it isnt taken care of because 9/10 it is but in the end what are we left with? The user didnt get help and now may be feeling more discouraged because they tried to reach out for help stack does a pretty good job in an almost impossible scenario I just believe personally that everyone should be able to recieve help
 
2:57 PM
Stack Overflow is not a help platform.
Stack Overflow is a repository of quality Q&A
If a new user asks a low quality question, be it poorly researched, unclear, a duplicate or whatever, SO's quality control mechanisms kick in.
(Down)votes are one such mechanism.
 
Maybe its time for the community to take charge and build a help platform then
 
Maybe, but that's a different business than SO is in.
 
Even if it were a help platform, the point is that moderators are like the police - they don't make the rules, they enforce them. The rules are guided by meta (parliament/the community) but Stack Exchange the company is ultimately in charge (the sovereign).
 
Zoe
All hail Stack Exchange!
 
@JosephWilliamson good luck with that project
 
3:03 PM
So how about deprecation since SO is a repository of quality QA if I ask a question in 2012(lots of solid QA back then) if I ask the same question today surely the answers would be different would they not? SO in this case is it right to mark as a duplicate 7 years later?
 
Yes
with new answers posted on the old question
If the old one is a mess often the dupe target is newer
 
So how as a new user would I get an answer on an old question?
 
By posting to twitter :P
 
Zoe
Bounties, edit the post, post links on Twitter
Lmao, ninja'd with Twitter XD
 
You can ask on Meta. That would probably get you an answer, but also 274,234 downvotes
 
3:23 PM
So at the point where nobody has a straight answer is there not an issue that should be taken into account?
 
Better option would be to ask a new question, and clearly outline why you think there are "better" ways of doing it today compared to 7 years ago that haven't already been posted. It'd of course have to be better than "how do i do x in ES6"
but, if you're asking about a language that has good coverage on SO, such as JS, there's no such case where a question from 7 years ago hasn't either been updated, or re-asked/answered with more up to date code.
 
If you can improve an existing question, improve it. If it's different enough, ask a new question (but be sure to refer to the original to head off any duplicate closers)
 
I think this is kinda funny but I saw a downvoted question and with good reason it was poorly constructed however I understand what he wants so I provided a solid answer giving him just what he needed to set him on the right path...few seconds later.. I got downvotes
 
i mean
if it's "downvoted for good reason" those downvotes you received will likely go away in 30-60 days anyway
 
3:38 PM
Don't answer low quality, off-topic, duplicate or otherwise bad questions.
Those answers encourage users to just dump questions on SO without the required research. If someone asks a bad question, and gets an answer, why should they improve the question next time?
 
If it's the Q/A i think it is, how does your answer answer the question?
 
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A: Best/Efficient method to load quiz data in Unity 3D

Joseph WilliamsonI wont write out a full example but this should get you started //Create enum for types public enum QType{ type1 = 1, type2, type3 } //Create a class for init public class question(){ public QType qtype; public string qText; public image qImage; public string option1Text; } //Cre...

 
> Which is the best/efficient way to retrieve the data? Should I go for a database or file based data storage?
you didn't give any preference to storing it in a database or file based data storage
 
I gave him a reference to serializing the data
which in a unity enviroment is the only way you should do it
I gave him every bit from point a to point b without writing out all his code for him
 
@JosephWilliamson: A link doesn't "count"
A link can be used as a supplement to your answer, but the answer should stand by itself, if the link were to go down.
 
3:44 PM
Ahh I see
 
yeah i didn't even bother to click the link till after it was mentioned here, 😋 i tend to gloss right past them.
 
Zoe
@JosephWilliamson the question is POB/TB. Answering those types of questions usually just gets you downvoted.
 
So is it worth my time to improve my answer?
if the answer is yes then it was worth it to post it as well no?
 
Zoe
Not unless you can also fix the question. There's currently 4 close votes on it
 
eh, only if you can fix the qu.. ^
 
Zoe
3:49 PM
Ninja'd :p
 
Is it bad practice to change the title
 
Zoe
Only if you change the meaning of the question.
 
@JosephWilliamson Sometimes the OP just doesn't describe the question well. If you can clear that up, you should
 
4:08 PM
@Machavity Wow you're so appreciated on that site they gave you 12 diamonds!
 
@StephenKennedy IKR
 
Sometimes I worry people think something is "primarily opinion-based" when they see the phrase "what is the best way", but if somebody asks "What is the best way to serialize my object in X framework" and there is a single appropriate method, it's not POB.
 
Zoe
Don't you just hate when enter just gets in the way? ^^"
@ConspicuousCompiler That's because it usually is. Even with specific frameworks, there can be a lot of ways
Especially if it's a framework
 
@ConspicuousCompiler Narrow it down and try to ask it as "How can I do X?" instead of "What is the best way to do X?"
Opinion questions are notorious for getting poor answers
 
I'm not saying folks can't ask the question more clearly. I'm saying I see people very eager to vote to close based on keywords when expertise in the subject matter may reveal it's not so opinion-based.
I expect the first draft of most questions are going to be a bit poorly worded.
 
4:17 PM
Which moderator candidate you vote for probably isn't going to change that
Shog9's proposal on the other hand... (anyone have a link to it?)
 
Zoe
Keywords can be surprisingly accurate
@StephenKennedy Which one?
 
If they're REALLY active in handling flags, it might. =)
 
@Zoe You know, the proposal, by Shog9 :P
 
@ConspicuousCompiler You're not viewing closure correctly, though. Closure mean it can't/shouldn't be answered. Closure is not permanent, and if you clean a question up, you can reopen it. Closure forestalls bad answers.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy oh, that one. Yes, I do agree Stack Exchange neegs more 6-8 in its name :p
coigh seriously though, this?
 
4:21 PM
No
 
Zoe
MSO or MSE?
 
Zoe
oooh, that ^^"
 
Yeah... Triage was predicated on us rewriting all of the views. Which... Very nearly happened. And then didn't. That's why I like building on deletion: it works out of the gate, no "this will work when we finish building it if we ever do". — Shog9 ♦ Sep 24 '18 at 22:46
Triage, in a nutshell
 
that's a bad coigh you've got there @Zoe :)
 
Zoe
4:35 PM
Oh look, I can't spell xD
 
I feel like I'm missing important context in that comment as an irregular SO user over a lot of years. Triage queue is still there, and I remember seeing a stats post showing it significantly increased the answer rate on people's first questions. Is there ongoing dissatisfaction with it?
 
typos spotted after the edit window are the worst, aren't they?
 
@ConspicuousCompiler Triage has a confusing button that says "Requires Editing". Most people read that as "The OP should edit their question", when what it actually means is "Throw this to H&I so other people can edit the question"
Thus, H&I is full of questions that are lacking information, but other reviewers seem to expect you to be able to fix
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy yaeh, tyops stuck!
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lmao
@Machavity making H&I one of the worst queues xd
 
H&I is the worst queue. There's no way to make it work unless you make meaningless edits
 
Zoe
4:44 PM
Seems to work for low-rep users in the first post queue
 
@Zoe I'm a fullstuck developer.
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Zoe
@MadaraUchiha I tank your stack in teh past
That hurt to type >.>
 
5:08 PM
tanks are advancing
 
is full stack not the biggest lie told in web development ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
In what sense?
 
Well there are 3 main classifications in web development frontend,backend, and full stack right
 
Ish, go on
 
uh huh
 
5:10 PM
frontend developers master everything to do with the frontend such as ui design, animations ect
 
I've always taken it to mean "Competent enough with all technologies necessary to stand up a basic web-based application with a DB." For small teams who need that, it's a good term.
 
Zoe
@JosephWilliamson no, they don't
You're right, they do learn how do code it, but the majority of the frontend developers are only developers and not designers
 
^
Front end can dev can encompass a lot of positions, but it is rare a front end dev will have mastered all of them.
(same with back end)
 
Zoe
^
 
@ConspicuousCompiler My point I was getting at is most people Ive met who claim full stack know a little of both but not a lot of both where they could supplement the need for one or the other by themselves
 
5:12 PM
I can code from the db to the frontend, but I couldn't design my way out of paper bag. I'd consider myself full stack.
 
Sure. Jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. Specialization is often better for a mature team, but not every place can afford a full-sized team.
 
Zoe
Full stack devs are familiar with all of these, but familiar != mastered. I'm a full-stack dev too, but that doesn't mean I know absolutely everything perfectly and flawlessly, and every line of code I write is perfect.
 
^
 
@JosephWilliamson If the person claiming to be full stack can't replace the back end dev or the front end dev then perhaps it's a lie. I wouldn't include design skills, personally - that's art not programming
 
I sometimes use the term full stack developer, but it doesn't do justice to what that actually means because of experiences like yours @Joseph
It is the new age version of web master
 
5:14 PM
I know frontend languages but I consider myself a backend developer because its what I am better at
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Thanks for the reminder, I got side-tracked XD
 
i just do whatever is needed
1 dev shop
 
@JosephWilliamson That's me too, to be fair
@Zoe Yw. What did I remind you about?
 
I can go from vision to published startup without anyone helping. Does that include full stack? Sure, I guess. Is the term really representative of the other stuff? Not really. But that term covers the technical aspect I deal with in development.
 
i don't particularly like working with CSS/animations/imagery, or front-end work in general
 
Zoe
5:17 PM
@StephenKennedy I gotta shade some stuff I started on yesterday :*
 
@Zoe Paint brush in 1 paw, phone in another paw, tail pressing the keyboard?
 
In reality if someone comes to me and says "Hey Im a full stack web developer" in reality that means I could take 1 backend dev and 1 frontend dev out drop him in and I would not see a difference in performance or knowledge, However I do believe that everyone masters a field and that should be the title given, for instance by your terms @ConspicuousCompiler I could consider myself a full stack developer however I wouldnt because my mastery lies within backend work
Sure I could pick up slack on the frontend but I could never replace a frontend developer
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy one paw on a wacom pen, the other paw on the keyboard, chat on the screen above, Krita on the screen under.
 
I can appreciate that distinction @JosephWilliamson. I've been in a similar position. Lately, I've done more frontend, so if I had to choose, I'd say I'm a frontend dev right now. But fullstack communicates my skillset better to non-technical people, especially HR folks
Maybe on a particular day, the best descriptor of me is "Looking up interrupt behavior on particular PIC microcontroller dev", but the value of granularity depends on who you're talking with.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy it's a pawsome setup :hide:
 
5:26 PM
groan
 
Zoe
You should've seen that coming ;)
 
@Zoe You should leave now, with your tail between your legs
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I would, but if I walk with it between my legs I'll just trip on it :p
 
Has it ever occured where a user was target and someone just went and downvoted everything they ever posted
 
yup
fortunately we have tools in place to automagically deal with that
 
5:37 PM
how is that handled
 
Serial downvoting is automatically recognized and reversed by a script every night.
Serial upvoting too.
 
bots are not perfect and can easily be counteracted with another bot
 
242
Q: What can I do about getting a sudden flood of revenge downvotes?

Leo NatanI just got a flood of irrational downvotes on a bunch of my posts in a short period of time. I suspect they may have been targeted at me based on a disagreement with another user rather than due to the quality of my posts. Is there anything that I can do regarding this flood of downvotes? Retur...

 
In the rare occasions that people get weird, users can flag the relevant stuff, and then moderators handle it.
 
and if that doesn't handle it, you can contact a mod
 
5:39 PM
By and large, people are decent. Trying to communicate clearly is a way more common problem than actual malice.
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This works for a splurge of downvotes but what if the attacker is patient with their revenge like 2 downvotes a day
 
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Q: Stealth revenge-downvoter: a downvote a day keeps the reversal-script away

AStopherThe last few days I've been getting seemingly random downvotes on my questions, but I've worked out that it's likely the same user doing it. Here is my reputation history for the last few days: (The above image has been edited to remove irrelevant information) I think it is the same user doin...

 
@ConspicuousCompiler Agree
Kevin has encountered every type of downvote situation, hence his icon
 
Im sure people are not all malicious I love to think about ways to break the systems we use so that we can build them stronger
 
i take the "you could just take satisfaction in the belief that someone is slowly wasting their life on this and go spend your own doing something more productive." route
someone can do that to me for exactly 7 days
 
5:43 PM
I hope you'll pardon the title, but there's a relevant Wikipedia Project page on the subject of seeking flaws in the system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
then they'll have to start spending their reputation points to do so
 
@ConspicuousCompiler Solid article lol
 
Zoe
5:59 PM
@ConspicuousCompiler lmao, I love the button on that page xD
 
6:28 PM
What did I just vote for?
 
I could show you but you just deleted the page
 
Zoe
@rene free waffles for all voters?
 
Laf
@Zoe and tea, always include tea.
 
Zoe
ew, tea
 
@Zoe \o/
 
6:45 PM
I promise free peanut butter and syrup on the waffles
 
Zoe
I promise free stuff to put on the waffles that's actually good.
 
Mod fight ! Mod fight ! Mod fight ! Mod fight ! Mod fight ! Mod fight ! Mod fight !
 
Zoe
and obviously brunost :*
@rene When mods fight, do they use their diamonds as swords? :p
 
Heathen. Peanut butter and maple syrup is some of the best stuff to put on waffles
 
@Zoe I believe they throw them
 
6:49 PM
@Zoe Well, there's two ninja mods, and they never found TheLostMind...
 
Zoe
@Machavity uh, no
strawberry jam and cream is really good though uwu
 
Laf
Does a picture constitute a low quality answer for a question on food tastes? I'd like to see mods debate on this.
 
@Zoe And what did you make of note 1? *and 2
 
Laf
I mean, we have to answer the real serious questions, right?
 
Zoe
@Laf Dunno, but it usually makes me hungry xD
@Laf Well, I can send you the answer in the .NORM3 format (a .docx file with a link to a .docx file with a link to a .docx file with an embedded image)
 
6:56 PM
@Zoe minecraft pickaxe?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy They made a lot more sense in my head :]
 
disclaimer: I've never played minecraft; just know that's a meme
 
Zoe
@coldspeed no, but if three mods join forces, and one of them is a tree, they can make a diamond sword. :p
I still remember Minecraft from before Microsoft ruined it. When there was no recipe book, and it was generally good :]
 
@Zoe you'd need to fell the tree for that :|
 
Zoe
Why cut down an entire tree for a single stick when you can cut off a branch and preferably plant some new trees too?
 
7:09 PM
Sticks don't make diamonds. Compost does :(
 
Zoe
Technically, pressure does
 
The tree is already under a lot of pressure..
 
Zoe
and there's carbon in a tree, so does that mean the tree will turn into a huge diamond? :thinking:
 
@Zoe Fun fact: if you heat wood in the absence of oxygen, it makes charcoal
 
Zoe
Carbon is pretty interesting uwu
 
7:14 PM
Even funner fact: If you heat sausages and steaks on a charcoal fire, it makes a delicious barbecue lunch
*meat-free alternatives are available
 
@StephenKennedy But not as delicious
 
As charcoal? Doubt it.
 
7:30 PM
there's nothing i hate more on SO than flagging posts b/c someone deems them off topic. i find dozens of posts through google search that are extremely useful only to find that someone has frozen all progress because of their overzealous abuse of this flagging privilege. anyone up for the moderator election who agrees with me has my vote
 
Lol
 
Zoe
Ok.
 
you realize it takes 5 people for that right?
 
Zoe
^
Deletion takes 3-10 (on questions)
 
and any other 5 people with enough reputation can undo it
 
7:32 PM
@KevinB Or one Undo. But I digress...
 
Zoe
Or a single diamond moderator
 
anyone who agrees with me has my vote
 
The question in... question, is clearly off topic. But it's useful enough to stay around
or, useful enough to not have been noticed yet to be deleted
 
you can find thousands of posts that have been flagged as off topic with thousands of views, when there are thousands of views, it means there's value in the post. that value is crushed by someone being overzealous with flagging something as off topic.
anyone who agrees with me has my vote
 
@user1130176 Do you have an example?
I mean, we could all answer in the abstract but it seems like you have something specific in mind. I'd rather address that if possible
 
let me find a few, there are literally thousands, let me find one from google b/c it will illustrate the point
@KevinB yeah the first one is a great example 33,000 people came looking for help only to be shut down
 
It's unfortunate that they came to the wrong place
 
So let's pick on this question for a moment
 
yes, it's a great example
64 upvotes on the question
33,000 views
 
NH.
If you are looking for a Mashery alternative, SO is not the site. Go to alternativeto.net/software/mashery
 
7:43 PM
The close reason is an older one. The more modern reason is called Offsite Resource
> Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.
 
NH.
But what does this have to do with the election?
 
12 mins ago, by user1130176
there's nothing i hate more on SO than flagging posts b/c someone deems them off topic. i find dozens of posts through google search that are extremely useful only to find that someone has frozen all progress because of their overzealous abuse of this flagging privilege. anyone up for the moderator election who agrees with me has my vote
 
@NH. i'm giving my vote to whichever moderator supports being less trigger happy on flagging as off topic
 
NH.
ah
 
It's more an extension of link-only answers. As Shog9 himself notes, questions that drop a link as most of an answer are terrible
 
NH.
7:45 PM
perhaps Josh Caswell
 
i don't know, 64 people liked the question
33,000 people found the question seeking help
 
does that make it not off topic?
 
As to views and upvotes, neither are an indication of quality. I've seen people ask for generic tutorials and get a dozen upvotes. That doesn't mean we let it flout the rules
 
How long should we leave a question that is off topic open to see if 66 out of 33k people will find it useful?
 
but i mean, why kill a thread of developers helping developers, it's just priggish
 
7:47 PM
As long as it is not deleted, it is still helpful
 
it's not like someone is asking about cooking
 
Zoe
@KevinB I'm surprised some of those are still open o.o
 
it's like you're just trying to be the smartest guy in the room, there was a nice active valuable conversation going, and then someone got wind of it and shut it down, it's just so self-elevating, it doesn't help the community
 
Ok. lets look at it another way.
 
(not you personally, i mean the act of flagging highly active discussions)
 
7:49 PM
What was the score/views of this post when it was closed?
it was closed 4 years after it was posted
 
I stand behind every close vote I cast
 
@user1130176 That question is now a decade old. The answers may not be relevant anymore, but, more importantly, new answers would never be found
 
but this is just one example @Machavity like i said, there are thousands, the off topic flag is way overused, and it doesn't add any value when there are dozens or hundreds of developers enjoying a high value discussion, only to have someone come in and shut it down b/c they don't like the question, it's super frustrating
 
> b/c they don't like the question
 
and like i said, it's not like it's about cooking, people are finding these conversations through google and then participating, no one is complaining, then the cops show up and shut it down
it's maddening
 
7:53 PM
@user1130176 But why? I used to use forums, and the problem there was new stuff had serious trouble being seen. SO wants to be relevant Q&A, not sifting through 3-4 pages to find something
 
meh, i think that kind of question can certainly be useful, but it's off topic. Until that off topic reason is removed, it's off topic and should be closed, regardless of how useful it is. If you think the close reason should be removed, push for that.
 
yeah but 33,000 people didn't think it was off topic
they were enjoying it and getting value
 
Where did those 33k people signal that they didn't find it off-topic?
 
@user1130176 Er, 33,000 people saw it. That doesn't mean it was useful. Last week we debated a closed Q on Meta. 21k saw it and the thing had garnered 100 downvotes. Don't mistake views for quality. SO pages get ranked highly by Google. That's what views are
 
And Tim Post will tell you that the vast majority of users aren't even registered or logged in.
viewers with no account or rep can't do any moderation
and then we haven't discussed the savviness and motivation of said 33k users when it comes to maintaining site quality
 
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