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11:24 AM
@CodyGray I didn't intend that as a suggestion. It was an observation. I did, however, intend to indicate by my last parenthetical statement that StackExchange probably had their reasons for not wanting to do it, and I'm not complaining.
@halfer That's a great idea, using the IP addresses they use at StackOverflow and comparing them to the one on the email (I didn't think of that), but you'd still have to get your email provider and StackExchange to share information to prove they said what you say they said, even if you can prove you got an email from them that said something.
@EthanK888 Yes, I meant a PM system (but again, it wasn't a suggestion, and I'm not lobbying for it). Chat is great for the purpose once you realize that you actually can invite people to it, as you can (without leaving comments on some question or answer), but since it's public, it won't attract the same harrassment, I believe.
@CodyGray But yeah, even if I'm not suggesting a messaging system, I don't see moderating abusive emails as any less work than making and moderating a messaging system, except insofar as not everyone makes their emails known (but the ability to receive messages, including from certain people, can be optional, too).
What I'm saying is basically that I don't think we should moderate emails unless there's proof to StackOverflow that there was abuse (as opposed to just an email), because that causes potentially as many problems as it solves (ill-intentioned people could take advantage of it).
@CodyGray @halfer, I think a better solution (than a private messaging system and email moderation) might be to remove the ability to put emails in profiles, if we're wanting to make things easy for moderation and those who develop the system.
I'd rather see that than knowing that if I email someone and they say I said something I didn't, that they'll be instantly believed (not that I think that would happen to most people, as many users are quite professional and I think most are well-intended, but a little paranoia is sometimes helpful in preventing problems).
@everyone Here's the URL of the question/answer where the discussion I'm continuing began: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/380075/… (Makoto's answer's comments)
@EthanK888 I guess you need a certain reputation in order to invite people to chat, though (I don't see that option here, while I did on another StackExchange site).
O wait, I do see the option, but it's accessible in a different way, and only because I'm the room owner (which I wasn't of the other chat). I can see the option to invite a user if I give them permanent write abilities to the chat.
 
 
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12:45 PM
@Makoto I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with reporting emails to StackOverflow, though (by saying I upvoted the answer).
Although perhaps there are cases where it may be a good thing.
 
1:21 PM
@halfer For your case scenario, have you thought about explaining that editing other people's stuff is a natural part of the way StackExchange works? They may not realize this. I know it can be jarring the first couple times someone edits your answer.
It could be helpful to explain the moderation process, too, and how they can re-edit their answer if they really want to (if it's constructive).
But I understand if you don't want them to know that you actually read their email by responding and all.
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That description was missing a verb.
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5:56 PM
@Shule Honestly, my comment was more of a joke than anything else. I appreciate a little snarky humor to go along with my Meta experience. I completely understood your point; I just pretended not to.
 
6:37 PM
Emails in profiles are completely optional. In fact, there is no standard field for them. You have to put them in your "about me" section. There is a reason for that, and I think we've found it.
 
6:59 PM
I don't think Stack Overflow Inc are in the habit of reaching out to email providers to make data requests - the legal burden for doing so is correctly enormous, and a moderately abusive email does not reach that high bar.
Rather, they will take the IP address and email - a combination of things that a recipient is unlikely to get any other way - and compare it to their own databases and logs. If there is a match, the complaint is likely to be correct, and the sender will be invited to state their side of the story.
Most senders will just admit they sent the email and produce a set of justifications, at which point Stack Overflow can respond with whatever withdrawal of service they like.
They are a private service provider, and of course they are not obligated to provide the service to anyone!
Shule - if you are opposed to Stack Overflow taking moderation actions based on interactions outside of the network, you can ask a new Meta question about that. I doubt they are going to change their practice here, but you can try.
 
 
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11:04 PM
Is this room still active?
Sorry I didn't respond.
 

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