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12:04 AM
The feels...
 
Yeah i know that feels
a community movie would be the fucking greatest
 
six seasons and a movie!
it will happen!
 
it will
 
m59
This is the disaster I'm trying to use promises in jsbin.com/iPinELe/5/edit
well, I took out a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to the order it needs to run in.
 
12:20 AM
if (pluginsLoaded.indexOf[i] === -1) { // סּ_סּ
 
m59
@copy none of it is real code
Dunno exactly what you're getting at, but I'm just worried about the promises.
 
Ok
 
m59
the onload thing is the most confusing.
I take that back. It's all confusing.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about
 
It's even more confusing as none of it really makes sense without actually seeing the variables and elements. Also, what promises?
 
12:24 AM
Are you talking about these promises: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_(programming)
 
m59
yes
There's too many conditions.
I guess I could say its most basic form is like this

getScript().then(function() {
 changeDom();
})
@copy
 
Do you want to build conditional loading of modules?
 
m59
It's some stuff I'm doing with angular for which there is no great solution.
Nonetheless, mine works, it's just sloppy as you can see.
Angular is going to run that block of code (represented by the loop) several times, sometimes with the same argument value. If it's the same , I don't want to make the $http call over and over
but I also may not need it ever, because the result might be cached in localStorage
 
I don't know anything
 
m59
It's cool..I'll probably figure it out eventually.
Sometimes I wish I was ok with writing bad code.
I'd be making a lot of money by now :)
 
12:35 AM
Probably not
 
m59
I can actually say I would.
 
How so?
 
m59
There are few people wanting me to do work for them when I get finished with the project I'm working on.
I've never had a decent paying job by the way, so "a lot" is very relative :)
Actually, my response depends on if you meant "Probably not" as an insult or as an observation about the nature of bad programmers.
 
"A lot of money" sounds like you could make the next Facebook
 
m59
lolllll
The highest my income has ever been was 16k/year
18k is a lot of money haha
 
1:07 AM
where do you live that you can live on 18k/year
 
m59
Well, I am rather poor. But, I feel pretty wealthy, considering the way most of the world is.
 
compared to the rest of the world I am pretty wealthy, and yet sometimes I feel pretty poor.
 
m59
Right now, I live on 0/year, lol.
 
I wish (I could)
 
m59
I'll go back to good ole' Applebees if I don't finish my cms soon.
 
1:14 AM
i'm doing ok. I no longer live pay cheque to pay cheque
so that is saying something
 
I live challenge to challenge :D
 
m59
Yeah, we saved up a little bit of money so that I could do this. We still have my wife's income.
 
I live in the sober moments. I probably live a hell of a lot more drunk but I can't remember it :/
 
I write some of my best code drunk
 
I don't. but I do play some damn good TV
buzzed I write great code. drunk i'm useless
 
m59
1:15 AM
@rlemon and by the way, we have a home equity loan, so I basically don't have to pay the mortgage if I don't want to...for now.
 
@m59 ahh, I rent.
 
m59
So, taking time off paying work to code - I REALLY hope it pays off.
 
so ~13K/year right there
 
m59
But, I have to make up for it eventually.
 
little typos make big differences
how long has this working sabbatical been going on for?
 
m59
1:17 AM
A month and a half.
 
hrm. how long have you given yourself?
 
m59
During which, I actually had my cms able to manage content, then I tore it up and started over.
haha
mmm...no definite time. Just code all day everyday until done.
 
and why a CMS
 
m59
Because it's better than everything :)
 
not to be a downer, the market is flooded with them
 
m59
1:19 AM
And they blow.
 
and everyone and their dog claims theirs is the best
 
m59
It's just for my use.
 
doesn't matter that they do or don't. people buy without knowing
 
m59
I don't care.
 
how will you be seen amungst the thousands.
 
m59
1:19 AM
I'm not saying it's financially all that great.
 
i'm just being the reality dick here. not saying abandon it, just be prepared to face these challenges. "mine is better, using it will show them" isn't enough sadly.
WordPress is a pile of shit. and yet... it is the most popular "CMS" hands down.
 
m59
This client I have lined up (he's actually the reason I'm doing this)
 
ok, well then there is that.
 
m59
He thinks that this is the best thing that ever happened to CMS's lol
he literally said it's like The Wright Brothers.
 
one client or a few clients (so long as you price accordingly) will be enough to make the money you spent off?
 
m59
1:21 AM
I should make $1500 or so from them....but meh...I could have made that with Joomla
The thing is, I'll be happy.
I'll know I gave them something I'm proud of and that will be a pleasure to use.
 
ok. that is cool - and i'm happy for you.
and doing something that makes you happy is awesome. the thing that concerns me is that you scrapped it half way.
why was this?
 
m59
I realized it could be done better.
 
clients feedback or your own reasons
"done better" ?? like actually done better or pretty code better?
 
m59
Kinda hard to explain.
I re-thought some of the core mechanics.
The things that makes it awesome is that the admin panel loads the real site
and you manage it from there.
 
really what i'm asking is, in the end, was scrapping it really in your best interest. as i've been told, don't underestimate working code. if performance is ok and the site works, ship it.
 
m59
1:23 AM
Yeah, it was.
 
ahh, yea, i've done live admins before.
they are fun to work into a site.
each content section gets a hover overlay of tools to work with.
 
m59
Mine's kind of different.
 
content editors (WYSIWYG) load inline.
etc.
 
m59
Yeah, mine load in the iframe.
 
they all are different in their own ways.
 
m59
1:24 AM
rather, the site just builds itself in an editable fashion.
 
i'm not bashing it, don't get me wrong.
it's cool you got a client lined up.
but CMS systems are a dime a dozen. I wouldn't invest much time into it past the requested ones.
 
m59
Are there any mainstream one's that let you do that?
I've never seen one.
 
probably.
like I said there are THOUSANDS
I've used maybe two dozen or so
 
m59
I considered that there might be something out there like it, but I haven't found one, and I'd want my own anyway.
I've learned a TON in the process.
 
and every time I work with a new company they are using a different one and they are all popular. like there is companies supporting the products for corps and shit
 
1:27 AM
@TheThirdOne Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
again, all is well in this. I'm just being a realist and saying that for future earnings, a CMS might not be the best approach if you are a lone dev.
and by "a CMS" I mean making your own.
 
m59
I agree
Definitely good for making you a bawss, though.
=D
 
only because (imo) the competition is too vast. They are mostly shit but they are many and they have a big wallet for marketing
also next dozen or so new websites you visit for companies 'view-source' and look for the /wp-*/ directories.
 
m59
Yeah, I doubt I'll make any money from the cms itself. I'd just go for freelance site dev jobs just like I would have with Joomla.
 
50/50 they are WordPress.
the real money is in buying WP themes, making minor alterations in them to make them customized for the client, then charging $3000 to install it.
 
m59
1:29 AM
haha
 
@m59 Please don't post the same thing more than once in a short period of time. If it's a question, try again in a few hours.
 
i'm serious.
 
m59
I know it.
I'm going to develop plugins for all that junk when I'm not making sites.
 
$40/theme - 1hr alteration time - 1hr install. $$ in the bank.
 
m59
I've seen people make hundreds of thousands off of garbage.
 
1:30 AM
+ say 6h initial setup / meeting times with the client.
all in all you stand to make like $2000+ for 8h work.
 
m59
lol
 
every time i've tried it i've been fucked with shitty clients.
 
m59
In that case, use of my cms now costs one MILLION dollars.
 
but I know people who make killings doing this
and by "fucked with shitty clients" === I always demand a 'down payment' and two of them refused full payment but wanted the site anyways.
and considering only three clients - fuck that i'll work a 8-5
 
m59
wow
 
1:32 AM
yup, always good to ask 30% down.
then at least you are not screwed for your time
what is to stop them from taking the proofs and going to someone cheaper saying "I want this, make it!"
 
If any of you are experienced with KineticJS, I could use some help.
 
m59
@rlemon my last client still owes me $300. I made $900, but that other 25% would be nice...
He was an awful businessman, so he ran the business into the ground just after the site was done
then didn't pay me anymore lol
 
also it is not unheard of to take full payment first, then offer a partial refund (70-80% or more depending on the contract) if the client is not fully satisfied.
again, you are payed for your time, and the client can't cheap you after getting the product.
in the terms you state that all of the code and design work is intellectual property of you unless full payment is confirmed by the client.
if they break this contract you have a means for a lawsuit
and you live in the USA - the land of "fuck you, i'll sue!"
 
m59
heh
It's also difficult because technically I was hired by that guy's marketing company, who is a friend.
 
you were 'contracted'
 
m59
1:38 AM
The friend is actually the one that didn't pay me.
 
not hired.
there is a difference.
 
m59
yeah, that.
my bad.
 
but it puts you in a different position.
you have more rights as an individual because you yourself are a business.
(at least in Canada)
 
m59
Inevitably, the guy didn't pay my friend 25% for marketing and therefore 25% of my money also. So I just took the hit with him.
 
I, Robert Lemon, am a business. so long as that is the name on the invoice
might be different in the states, but if not, it is a great way to represent yourself with nice legal letters to clients and invoices without incurring the cost of registering a business name (bolded so you note the important that it is just a name)
 
m59
1:41 AM
I, Johnny Hauser, am a bawss.
Got it.
--fired--
lol
 
@m59 Please don't post the same thing more than once in a short period of time. If it's a question, try again in a few hours.
@CapricaSix Please don't post the same thing more than once in a short period of time. If it's a question, try again in a few hours.
 
m59
Dangit, stop hating!
I like the lolz!
 
pinned because fucking awesome!
 
m59
Wait...
did anyone see what happened there?
LOLZZZZ
 
it said the same thing twice in a row - both times telling you to STFU
so it told itself.
it's awesome
 
m59
1:42 AM
yeah, that's great.
 
woa! lurker starer
 
m59
Zirak was supposed to put a size filter on that, to avoid the "lol" problem.
 
who are you?!
tell me who you are....... O_O
 
we should make a TV show about the JS room, we can call it "The JS Room"
 
1:52 AM
yes
 
I mean the script is already written...
@Zirak project for you - write a program to sift the transcripts and learn about us as people - then once you have data mined our lives and created comedic profiles for the regulars we can look for snippets of conversation from the transcript we can adapt to story lines and write our own "Community" like sit com for the JS room.
all in favor?
spoiler: Neal is Chang
 
i get to vote twice
Nah
Zirak is Chang
Neal is Fat Neil
 
no, Zirak is in the group
lol
ok ok
 
Zirak is Pierce?
 
@Towler Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
1:56 AM
I'll give you that.
 
okok is chang.
 
Zirak IS pierce!
okok is Todd
 
we have waaaaaaay too many foosball players
 
LOL
OKOK is totes Todd
 
Haha amazing
 
1:59 AM
eh, the vamps are just passer background actors
 
@copy and @Shmiddty are troy and abed
 
lol
which makes Badger Britta?
 
absolutely
 
see it won't work because there are more of us than them
but there can be overlapping roles
Zirak is a little Pierce AND Abed if you ask me
 
haha absolutely
!!google which community character am i
 
Knew it would exist
 
lol
@SomeGuy is Annie
:D
> but not in a hot way.. ~ Jeff Winger
 
Haha
But @Darkyen is a teenaged girl
 
nope - Professor Duncan
remember the pecking order ;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum is Professor Duncan
 
2:03 AM
indian - brit .... I mean, they are close enough.
but Benji isn't drunk enough.
 
Benji is like ... Dean Spreck
He's a Mean Dean....
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum is Vice Dean Laybourne
 
Lol
Zirak is Lenord. I changed my mind
 
Hahahahaha
that's a buy
 
2:07 AM
lol
NEAL IS GARRETT!
omg!
 
who can be Pavel....
> “I get wicked cold, bros! Mad sleepy!”
 
I should watch Community
 
Has anybody ever created an SRS document?
 
I have.
 
2:23 AM
Was it worth it?
 
I had no choice and it was extremely painful to write, but it helps a little afterwards.
But I wouldn't do it if I didn't have to.
 
Well FML. I have to write an SRS document for college tomorrow.
 
Do you have a template?
 
I feel your pain Badger. Sorry.
Yes I do.
 
I feel yours, I'm just looking at mine and it was 18 pages long.
 
2:30 AM
Wow. I have a lot of useless writing to do today. * shivers *
Writing bad code hurts my soul. Writing useless documentation hurts my head.
 
Does your template have useful descriptions for each point?
 
The template is well designed. It was given to me by my professor. For example it's divided into sections like Document Purpose, Product Scope, etc. Each section has a small paragraph describing what content that section must contain.
Beside that I haven't really started working on the SRS itself.
 
wow, thank Jesus I'm not studying CS
 
@AaditMShah Yeah, mine was like that too.
 
@copy You're lucky you don't study CS. So what do you do?
 
2:39 AM
I'm studying IT Security
 
@BadgerGirl you should!
 
@BadgerGirl Lol. Planning is just an excuse to not start coding.
 
@copy ranks higher than you (8.6/10)
 
Management sucks. When it comes to planning the only thing I'm consistent at is procrastinating.
 
@rlemon huh, does it get better after Season 1?
 
2:41 AM
@rlemon What's the metric?
 
for copy it is sex. for Community it is IMDB score. which for a producer is probably pretty close to sex.
 
@AaditMShah Just start writing and don't think while doing it.
@rlemon But it was 7.5!
 
8.6!
so Community is better than sex!
 
Oh. Alright.
 
But that guy has made a million shows before! I, on the other hand ... well we're getting offtopic. Back to JavaScript
 
2:44 AM
you shouldn't listen to copy until he at least moves up to the parseInt("8", 10); mark ;)
sorry..
 
@rlemon what is your rank?
 
I haven't asked.
according to the last GF (who was a drunken fool) I was a "great fucking d*ck"
and she said so in public on a number of occasions
 
I'm confused. IMDB ranks movies and TV shows. Not people.
 
:/
@AaditMShah
false
 
imdb ranks everything
 
@rlemon I thought you still had a girlfriend.
 
I do
but she isn't the last one, who was a drunken fool
 
sorry, "last one" === previous one
 
2:48 AM
one of these days ill post my postcard on here, since it was the best one
 
Oh well, what's your current girlfriend's opinion?
 
3 mins ago, by rlemon
I haven't asked.
but I was her first. so 10/10 I assume
 
He's amazing
 
which is a hard cookie to handle. if we get married I will be her best and worst.
statistically it is true for all who get married. but still...
 
When is the wedding?
 
2:50 AM
whenever I convince her.
 
@rlemon If you were a phrase then you would be an oxymoron.
When do you plan to convince her?
More importantly how?
 
@AaditMShah your truths are lies.
 
Precisely.
 
well that is the trick, so far I have tried being the best boyfriend I can be.
 
Following in the footsteps of Godel.
 
2:51 AM
And what does she do?
 
she does what she does :P
mostly plays diablo
 
No work?
 
haha, she works
 
She's a mod on Diablo?
 
actually we work together.
 
2:52 AM
You're a mod on Diablo?
 
she is a manufacturer
@AaditMShah forget Diablo. :P
she plays, but it is like a WoW addiction.
 
@AaditMShah Your conclusions are as sharp as a samurai blade
 
I feel a little bad, I bought her the game.
 
@copy Thank you. That was what I was going for.
@rlemon We all make mistakes.
 
@copy why haven't you called me?
 
2:55 AM
@AaditMShah haha yea I suppose. Although she does get a lot of amusement out of it, I also just got her the Sims
so I might be fucked for affection for the next little while...
 
@BadgerGirl Are you home yet?
 
Yeah.
 
Okay
 
^ Lovers Quarrel
 
Awkward silence.
 
2:56 AM
probably because he called her
 
Not yet...
 
awww
it's probably a time zone delay...
 
Awkward silence with an air of expectation.
 
but if he doesn't call soon it is a good possibility he is dead. :/ I'm sorry for your loss.
 
How did that register as a probable event?
 
2:59 AM
@copy are you alive?
 
@AaditMShah 42
 
@BadgerGirl Quite alive
 
Lol. The answer to life, the universe and everything. Again a paradox.
 
@AaditMShah do you remember the time when I found your poems and then called you?
 
3:02 AM
@BadgerGirl Yes. Did you have to mention that here?
 
@AaditMShah Yeah.
@copy why haven't you programmed the hard parts of your x86 emulator?
 
@BadgerGirl I saved them for pair programming with you
4
 
jsroom.com/r/aww/ ^
In other news.... did no one else watch Ben Ten?
Ben 10 is an American media franchise created by "Man of Action" (a group consisting of Duncan Rouleau, Joe Casey, Joe Kelly, and Steven T. Seagle) and produced by Cartoon Network Studios. The franchise is about a boy who acquires a watch-like alien device, called the Omnitrix, that allows him to turn into alien creatures. The Ben 10 franchise received wide critical acclaim and won three Emmy Awards; it also has grossed over $2 billion in retail sales in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa (EMEA) and has sold 100 million toys worldwide. Series Original series 10-year-old Benjamin...
 
I watched Ben 10.
 
:)
good show eh?
 
3:10 AM
I liked Ben 10 and teenage Ben.
The antagonists in the series were very cliche though. Not to mention Ben was too OP.
Nevertheless it was fun.
 
3:23 AM
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I watched ben 10 aswell @rlemon . Am watching Avengers Assemble now :P
 
3:39 AM
@rlemon Oh boy you couldn't be any more wrong
 
Have any of you used KineticJS?
 
 
1 hour later…
4:56 AM
new Mac :D
 

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