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3:05 AM
@BhargavRao Your edit left an inconsistency in the wording. At the top you left 'must be effectively harmful' as a minimum requirement, and then farther down you added it as an extra requirement for >1k post tags
 
I'm still editing the post
 
ok, didn't realize you were doing an incremental update. will take another look later
 
3:29 AM
@duplode Why would we ever burninate an on-topic tag?
Apart from that all other edits were fine, thanks.
We do need more and more users being involved in burninations, hopefully we'll see more of you in the future. Thanks again.
Hmm.
Some 300 posts left in [ebay]
We could have completed it by today if we had stuck to the plan of attacking only the non ebay-api questions and merging the tag as a whole to ebay-api.
Anyway, the day's Sunday... I'll see if I can get some stuff rolling.
 
@BhargavRao One scenario I can think of: an ambiguous tag whose various meanings are on-topic but wouldn't result in useful, informative disambiguated tags. From the examples at the end of the answer, I believe [dot-notation] fits the bill.
 
That kinda makes sense, thanks.
 
In the comments over there, Mark Amery mentions [python-list], which was burninated as superfluous in spite of being on-topic.
 
But thinking back (Oh boy, have learnt a lot in the last 2 years) ... that probably should have been disambiguated into better tags. Prolog's dot notation is certainly a thing, and would have been a valuable tag to have. Similarly, we could have had a "function decomposition" tag for Haskell, and other Haskell-like languages.
[python-list] was retagged into [python] and [list].
Remember that retag-requests are about automatic retagging of questions... or in this case "auto bot like retag every post" kinda questions
 
@BhargavRao That's a good point.
 
3:44 AM
If the tags grow large, then we can certainly rope in the CM team to do automatic retag. (Which I am planning to do for the OpenCV tags)
Tl;Dr -> a tag can die in many ways, burnination is prolly the worst of them.
All the tags there will die at the end ... but they're not burninated.
 
By the way, [function-composition] is apparently a thing, though I hardly ever see it in the [haskell] feed.
 
I do agree that the exact meaning of burnination is certainly not very very clear, and I'm learning too.
Oh wow, that's something good to know. Can relax a bit now.
Which is constantly harming a lot of people ... but there's no idea what to do there.
 
([function-composition] feels like one of those tags that are in principle legit, but are tough to use consistently. It's a bit like the [let] discussion from a while ago: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/384238/…)
 
Oh yeah the [let] tag discussion was a bit hard to decide. There were nice arguments all around.
 
@BhargavRao The question number ratio there is ~1.5... That's a tough one to call!
 
3:54 AM
Yep. I'm waiting when the CMs get some fancy tools to remove a tag. That'll be a good one to use.
If we get that tool, then [javascript]+[babel] => remove [babel] add [babeljs], [python]+[babel] => remove [babel] add [python-babel].
That brings me to another issue ... which is that sometimes people seem to forget that users can add upto 5 tags and it won't be the only tag.
Would it be fine if we were to just move everything to a single [babel] and ask users to just ignore the [python] tag when they need JS posts, or vice-versa?
(Aside: just declined a custom flag with the text "In addition while the hardware centered approach is based on computational neuroscience.It is possible to base the software centered approach on linguistics. As for pregnant women and their childbirth cases researches are done.How are the language functions in the brain of women and grown up girls.In wars the process in the world is ongoing.are international researches are up to date?" ... heh)
The argument about having the same generic tag and asking users to ignore the unrelated stuff makes a lot of sense when the generic term is the same in all the different techs.
For example, [textview].
 
@BhargavRao For library tags, which people are quite likely to want to watch and write expansive tag wikis, it could feel rather awkward. I haven't thought hard about it, though.
 
Instead of having a [android-textview], [ios-textview], [react-textview], one [textview] would make perfect sense because a textview is the same wherever you go.
That's true.
 
@BhargavRao Yup, that sounds like a case in which it would work fine.
 
And there'd be conflicts as well, as to which portion of the wiki should be used by whom. Not to mention the fact that there have been cases where users have updated a generic tag wiki to make it specific to a particular tech and then started chastising users when they use the tag in the other tech.
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I don't think it'd work with [babel] though, it is completely different in both the techs
 
@BhargavRao (Using the custom mod flag text box for that... those spammers really have no manners :D)
 
4:06 AM
It would be nice to have more users/moderators/CMs involved in getting the tags fixed.
If there were sufficient number of users, we'd not have needed to add that 1000 questions clause at all.
 
@BhargavRao Sneaky tag wiki updates... this reminds me of a (not quite as bad) recent case: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/385699/2751851
 
That tag can potentially stay as it is, if it is a generic library and the python one was a wrapper around that library. However, that doesn't seem to be the case?!
Just realized that it can stay as a single tag on a question and still find answerers stackoverflow.com/q/56076209/4099593
Pro-tip, if you want to see the singly tagged posts of a given [tag], search [tag] is:q. The top results will be the ones where it is singly tagged.
 
@BhargavRao That's an interesting thing to check when wondering about how workable a tag is.
As far as I can tell, those questions with only [win32gui] are about using the Win32 API to make a GUI, and have nothing to do with the specific library mentioned in the tag wiki.
 
Yep. If the tag can stay alone on a question, then it is fine. Remember that the user can always add more tags to get more exposure on the post. Sometimes they try too much, though.
Heh, there's some 117 results for [python][win32gui]
Another tag that can't be disambiguated manually or without causing noise.
These are the ones which we actually should be focusing on instead of burninations. They help to make the tag more useful.
 
4:21 AM
@BhargavRao That makes a lot of sense. In contrast, hopeless tags are hopeless.
 
Exactly.
I have no idea how we can mobilize more users to focus on the disambiguations. Burninations have a [featured] phase and all the additional requirements. We need one for the disambiguations as well. That'll atleast get more users to participate.
I get it that 99.9% of the people will be like "eww, burninations" ... but that leaves us with 0.1% of the people at least.
 
Also, it does seem we need more exposure so that we can find out what works well when it comes to retags disambiguations. As you noted before, we are still learning.
 
keeping them featured after the decision to start might help. For a while I'd assumed that because they were features while asking for consensus but then lost visibility that they were all being ruled as keep the tag
 
Yepz. There was a gap of some 4~5 years during which the tag related discussions were almost at 0.
Which is why we've lost all the knowledge from the then masters. We need to learn on our own, dig our own path.
@DanNeely ideally the "progress" answer would be edited to show some progress, which would bump and put it on the main page of meta.
 
I never go directly to meta, just see whatever gets linked on the sidebar on regular SO questions, so that wouldn't've helped in my case
 
4:29 AM
Featuring would definitely give us a lot of more exposure, I've tried it once before. But that brings us to the other issue where we have a huge number of <2k users lining up to just remove the tag and get that 2 rep.
 
@DanNeely (I normally look at meta through the /questions page rather than the main page, but that's probably just me being weird.)
 
5:02 AM
Most of them can be retagged to .
 
5:38 AM
Talking bout the angular mess meta.stackoverflow.com/a/387172/4099593
Also look @Stephen wrote the wiki for that stackoverflow.com/posts/12100723/revisions
 
6:15 AM
Now that you changed back to meet all criteria we need to address the comment from Mark: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324070/…
 
 
1 hour later…
7:34 AM
I dropped them a comment.
Anyway, I'm headed out for the rest of the day ... done with my mod duty quota already, so planning to roam the cities. Let's hope to complete [ebay] by tomorrow, so that we can feature the next one on Tuesday. Cya \o
 
7:55 AM
cya and thanks!
Oh, and share some photo's from the cities ...
 
 
2 hours later…
10:11 AM
@BhargavRao that's just me, I was waiting Gemmy to be fixed. I may start working on the burn in some 2 hours or later in the evening
 
 
8 hours later…
6:23 PM
@double-beep Nope, not your fault.
if we are depending on one person to change the course of burnination, then we're definitely doing something wrong.
 
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6:38 PM
lol, even Generic Bot agrees xD
 
7:10 PM
BTW, completely agree with what you mention about punny titles. Seeing a featured/hot meta post. "ewww… burninations, posts with a punny title, what title does this have?" "WATT? no title? adds comment: Suggested title: {title}" and comments, instead of focusing to discussions about the burn, are about the title.
how about forbidding punny titles at all?
 
7:24 PM
The burnination of The [ebay] tag has been burninated has finished!
Room owners: you'll need to manually cleanup the burn rooms and gemmy by running @Rodgort untrack ebay
 
room owners? ahem @StephenKennedy
 
@Rodgort untrack ebay
 
@StephenKennedy Tag(s) ebay successfully untracked
 
@double-beep also: me as a noob (and no doubt many others) - upvote bcos of punny title
 
#NOOB
well, see a highly upvoted burn req with punny title: upvote, see answers supporting it>upvote, see answers with low score>downvote>your voice is not heard.
 
7:31 PM
yes. punny titles skew the vote.
 

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