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00:13
Going to change the layout, since it's unnecessary. But now my popup colors work at least.
user457812
00:44
That seems like a lot of unused whitespace
user457812
Also, putting UI elements at the top of the screen is an awful idea now that phones are taller.
user457812
That being more or less the reason the app I built last, which I'm not allowed to ever share and won't anyway because it's a disgrace, has all UI toolbars are the bottom of the screen.
user457812
i.e., In a place where your thumb can reach them.
A few more fixes and rolling for Beta testing.
@Owatch nice!
Why hasn't my app been approved yet?! I should be at the top of their list!
 
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07:19
@nil Where?
user457812
All the space between UI elements.
In the UITableView, you mean?
On the tab bar?
Or just the separation between the tab bar and the sorting button?
07:34
nillll?
I'd like to change things to improve usability.
But I'm not sure where you would prefer the placement of the sorting button
 
4 hours later…
11:29
@Owatch you could try pull down sorting
 
1 hour later…
12:50
how to clean RAM by programmatically cocoa???
 
1 hour later…
14:02
^ lmao
yeah i was gonna say: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT^
@mattsven Like, pull down on the UITableView to expose the mode options? Or pull to switch the mode cyclically?
 
2 hours later…
17:08
@Owatch Add focus to the popover
17:22
What?
17:33
What do you mean?
18:05
Like something in background that let user focus on Popup
Oh, so another popup somewhere else?
In the background?
Not sure how it would make it easier to focus.
I can always fade the screen.
something like Visual Blur Effect
or Fade it and move it little down and bring it back when is dismiss, one second I show you
actually do you have Facebook app?
Yes, I do have it.
And I didn't want to blur my screen. I tried darkening the background, but I didn't feel it was really necessary
Okay tap on one video and you see how it get dark and move the screen back a little
I get the point.
I'm going to move it anyways.
I think I'll do what Nil recommended.
He said it should not be up on top
Since it's hard to reach.
I will leave the icon on top, and it will change, but the button to toggle it may be moved down to the bottom right hand side of the screen.
Still not exactly sure how I'll make it work without coving other stuff though.
yeah, you need something
@Owatch you want be my first tester?
I guess.
Sure.
I think I have your email, I will send it.
Alright, is it a gmail one?
18:21
***sung.com @Owatch
That one's been giving me trouble.
Just cause Network Solutions is pretty bad.
So, try this one:
Here's my idea for a replacement: (Not quite)
That look nice
I'll have to make it collapse back into the side at a single button prompt.
So it won't be a menu like that, but it will expand in that arc.
Yeah.
18:26
Yeah or just open it from top
like 1 circle and once is tapped the popover come on top
Well, the objective is that everything is in range of your thumb.
Yes, there will be one small circle in the corner.
When tapped, it will expand into two options.
That's all I need.
Well thats it
lmao, all that UI work going to be thrown out.
In a sense, it's not a terribly complicated solution.
Just animate some UIButton's.
So, uh, should I be expecting anything on my email?
Yeah I will ping you, is uploading
yeah that animation is little headache.
18:39
@Dudi you want to be a beta tester too?
@FarhadNezhad sure :D
Whats your email?
quickly remove it
got it
great :)
@Owatch cyclically
@MichaelDautermann did you just code dump?
18:44
But Mattio.
Pull down was supposed to be a refresh function.
Oh.
You're right.
I'm thinking of sticking it as a sorts of expandable button on the right-hand (lower) corner of the screen.
@mattsven you want to be beta tester for my app?
The Happens?
18:45
It won't look good next to the UITabBar though, but apparently I should put it down there...
Use a floating button right-most aligned
But really, I don't think it matters as much.
You want features that users are going to be using often to be within thumb-reach.
Are people going to be resorting that much?
Yeah..
Probably not.
I don't.
So, there you go.
@FarhadNezhad I don't think I'm really your target demographic :P
18:48
What happened.
Those icons...
Well, okay, that's the latest. Just made it smaller.
Kind of bad icons
Some default for the tab bar. The crown is pretty bad, so are the arrows. I like the flame though
@mattsven no problemo Its just for Crashes and some improvements, nothing to major :)
Can't talk bad about my flame.
@Owatch I wouldn't use icons for the sorting.
They're confusing, actually
just horizontally arrayed top, new, etc.
18:51
Well, they weren't easy to think of.
@mattsven DO YOU FIND THE FLAME CONFUSING?
ʸᵉˢ
jkjk
Do you touch a flame Matt?
And why would you, or anyone, not touch a flame?
@mattsven code dump? where?
19:05
PSA: Please do not take dumps in the chatroom.
Oh
I thought the flame was a logo.
@MichaelDautermann star board
oh, that was a three line thing.
so maybe a code squirt
not a dump
I've got my eyes on you, pal.
It is kind of a logo.
But not the App logo
Just an icon logo.
19:48
Is it possible to track activity in a browser via an OSX app?
@user3325749 only if you're the NSA
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Q: Is there a way to access iphone's browser history and app history

MumthezirI dont know whether iam asking a right question..,kindly give your valuable advice. I want to know: Is it possible to access iPhone's browser history in our code? Is there any way to access app histories (means; which apps i opened recently & what time.) waiting for your valuable reply.. Thank...

@MikeAsdf yeah I figured iOS would be pretty locked down, wasn't sure about OSX. Thanks for your help
@mattsven If you were me, would you remove the icons entirely, and just use words?
Yes.
Alright.
I will do it.
19:55
@user3325749 yes.
@mattsven hm? Can you point me to any docs or resources? By the way I don't want to do anything that violates Apple's terms.
Well, I wouldn't know anything about their terms.
But, you can install browser plugins to record history, or sniff HTTP requests globally.
Browser plugins are so gross, but looks like that's the approach to take.
It is what it is.
20:13
I got email from apple 'Invalid Swift Support' what should I do?
Nevermind is a bug
@user3325749 oh for some reason I read OSX as iOS
20:45
uh.. whole weekend past and I didn't write a single line of code. What a waste
@mattsven There we go.
But I'll have to change it a bit, maybe add something to describe what's going on.
Like "Sort by"
Does the splitting line improve or detract from the UI?
21:00
First one
I don't like it, but I was worried that the buttons looked too flat on the original popup.
First one.
Yeah, I'll stick with that one then.
@Dudi Im on the same boat, I feel really lazy today. Lol
Oh can someone tell me how to type ` on mac key? Don't laugh
When should I get an email Farad?
I'm excited to see your app.
21:02
Its proccessing still
Okay.
I think I still have a lot to fix, but I want to get some users feedback
Cool cool.
How do I type ` symbol on mac keyboard?
`
Upper left key, under escape?
21:04
Lol, I been using SO for long time and I still dont know
@FarhadNezhad The button to the left of the 1 key?
Oh wow lmao
lol were you copy/pasting `?
Thanks guys, what an odd key
@user3325749 yes, K stop laughing
He must have been.
21:05
Lol
2 years using OS and i just figure it out
It happens to us all. I still can't do banking online, since I've yet to find the number keys.
Im just gonna keep quiet and watch harry potter.
Lol
@Owatch :(
21:07
IKR.
Oh Im also reading Swift 2.1 document all over again and wow Im missing some stuff
If I'm integrating a subreddit, how far should I take it?
Should a user be allowed to view their own posting history, etc?
Should they be allowed to access subreddit's outside the focus of the Podcast?
Guys I will let you know one more secret, I have never use reddit in my life
Not terribly different from how other forums work.
You have an account, you view parts of the site, you can receive messages.
Also, it's got some nice places to visit.
Thats it? I knew i didn't miss anything, Thanks Owatch for confirming
21:11
Like the Game Development subreddit, and pretty much any community you can think of.
Where do you think those food pictures come from?
Okay now is getting interesting
Reddit?
Could start by looking at the Apple subreddit.
I dunno. Or even just the front page.
I thought Instagram was food and model place
It might be, I don't have Instagram.
I don't like facebook anymore, that sheeet is dying
21:13
Well, that's not new. It's been dying for years.
Very true, I don't think social networking should last for another 10 years
Well, I don't know about that.
FB != All social networking.
The power is in Knowledge, anything that make people learn its what people going after, like SO
Like have you see how many category SO have, its crazy
@Owatch we should do something togather after our apps
I dunno. I'm not a reliable worker. I've got school.
Ugh true, I knew that. Lol
21:20
You can hire Mattsven.
He's already nearby.
Well, nearer than myself.
My linkedin is full of showcase of my work and knowledge, recommendation, but I dont have collabration, I need that
You want to see?
sure
?
Wait what?
I didn't see it, was in Xcode.
Ping me
Got it
Ok.
I guess it's looking good?
I need collaboration
I've never looked around linkedIn in much.
I don't have that
21:28
Wellllll, there must be many developers in ML.
Many single developers in your area.
Yeah I will find one. OMG whats wrong, sill processing
:<
Weird
Yep
How long they usaully take?
30 minutes at most.
But it's iTunes Connect, so it could also finish processing when your grandkids are in their teens.
K Im building another one
lol
21:34
Another grandkid?!?!
@mattsven Are you an real estate agent? lol
Really throwing off that vibe there Matt. One moment you're telling me about my sorting problem, next you're pitching an estate with a 200k deposit.
22:02
@mattsven What would go with for up vote/downvote colors?
I tried a green/blue, didn't like them. Trying for a warmer color as the up vote.
While hoping the down vote is contrasting enough.
I think what you've got is good.
Rocket upvotes/
They're more like spades.
Well, I kind of just made up the shape.
Wanted something a bit more angular than a thumb or an arrow.
I looked up arrowheads actually to make them.
Is it bad if I save a PNG representation of image into NSUserDefaults?
Probably shouldn't be doing that.
Why would you need to?
Well, I don't want to be saving the URL of an image (say my profile image) into NSUserDefaults and then have the app load from that URL everytime. I mean, look at Facebook for example. What if the person doesn't internet connection at the moment?
22:13
Can't you use Core Data to save it?
IMO, storing binary data in a database is generally inadvisable. It will be slower to retrieve than reading from disk and since Core Data will probably be using SQLite internally, you will effectively be storing files inside a file (the SQLite DB), causing it to expand in size very quickly and slowing DB operations considerably. I would just store the path in the DB and then save the images to disk. — dandan78 May 22 '13 at 7:33
So they advice against Core Data too.
sigh.
Plist?
Can you save it to a plist?
Impossible.
Recommend saving to disk and then storing a URL to that location.
But apparently you can save to your Documents folder.
In any case, I'd advise doing anything to avoid actually putting it in NSUserDefaults.
Of all places to put it, that's the least recommended.
I'm going to shower now.
@DemCodeLines Save it to the disk. Store the file path.
22:25
What if the image is already on the disk?
Don't use absolute paths, use relative ones, if you want your data/app to survive iOS version upgrades
@DemCodeLines 1.) Save it to the disk. 2.) Store the file path.
See #2
There are 2 things happening here: When the user hits the "change profile picture" button, he/she selects the image, which gets uploaded to the server. At that point, the URL of that location is written to a MySQL DB.
Now, what I could do is save that URL to NSUserDefaults too. But, then the app would download and load that image from the internet every single time.
@mattsven see ^
Well then, keep a local cache.
Store the image in the Caches folder. iOS clears it out when it needs more space.
If it isn't there, download it again.
Store the URL too if you need it.
If it's on the device, then there is no need to have the URL. It'll never get used and be a waste of space
22:40
> iOS clears it out when it needs more space.
Have you ever looked at the Quora app?
23:04
@Owatch @Dudi Please check your email. :)
Okay. I'm going to bed, but I will just now.
There is nothing new in my inbox.
Actually I will ping you again, I need to wait for Waiting for Beta App Review
They haven't been sent yet.
If this is your first Beta App Review submission, it will have to pass an actual review procedure.
23:10
Its second
Which means it may take a week.
Alright.
Well, I'll check my email in a couple hours.
thanks :)

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