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4:00 AM
"You are very powerful, provided you know how powerful you are." -Yogi Bhajan (source)
 
4:42 AM
picks nose
 
5:03 AM
hi
 
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5:49 AM
hello @UnnikrishnanKv
and morn to the rest
 
morno
 
How you doing @eFox?
 
Grumpy :P
 
Oh my.
Welche Laus ist dir über die Leber gelaufen? Or in a bit more crude English: What crawled up your ass and died?
 
My coworkers
I'm so done with this assignment. It's killing my joy for coding
slurps cocoa and wish I liked coffee
At least we have a holiday weekend coming up so I'm off friday and monday
 
6:16 AM
What is your assignment?
The broad strokes
 
It isn't technically the technical stuff I just don't do well with people who say one thing but mean something else
 
@eFox you mean it wasn't dead yet already?
give it another few years then :)
 
@Neil Actually I loved it a lot up until October, one month into this
It's so bad I'd be happy if I was fired on the spot
 
yikes
 
@eFox You know not to say that programmers are clearer per se, though they never tend to say something they don't want to convey 100%
people who aren't programmers on the other hand..
 
6:19 AM
@Neil I'm talking about things like "We do scrum" and then they don't but they insist that I pretend they do
 
well what difference does it make what they use?
I let people have their own delusions
 
Even though they have a waterfall approach planning releases and the promised content half a year in advanced and get upset when we fail delivery because we're understaffed
 
waterfall approach is widely considered a bad approach
though you probably don't have any say-so in that
 
They think so too, yet they do it and call it scrum
It's just one thing
 
sounds like the project manager or technical adviser is an imbecile
our technical adviser at my old job had us rewrite the CString library (we called it TString) because he thought he could make it faster
 
6:23 AM
I also mind that they say stuff like "It's ok to work from home" but if you do they get angry. You can be super productive working from home, but they treat you like you had a day off despite attending the meetings through phone/skype/other and were constantly available
 
fast forward 6 months later and deeply behind schedule, we finally managed to make a TString that was both buggy and inconsistent
 
Then you come to the office and roll your thumbs all day and you get treated like you're a hard working person
I have issues with that
@Neil There's no such thing as a either of those here
 
sounds like it's time to get a new job
 
Scrum doesn't have project anagers either way
 
well whomever is making these decisions, in short
 
6:24 AM
I'm a consultant, this is an assignment. Had this been a job I would have quit with my 14 days notice the first month
 
we have one of the few jobs that can be almost 100% done remotely and most people can't simply accept that we can be just as productive if not more
 
I'm actually a bit upset about that this assignment makes me shun my actual job; working with an extremely poorly written legacy system. I don't mind that task, but I mind that they expect me and a fresh junior to do a 6 man team job
 
it's the equivalent of counting the number of code lines written as a metric for how productive a programmer is
 
Or 4 women team job
 
@eFox ouch, apply cold water to burnt area
 
6:27 AM
@Neil ;P
 
The more I work in this line of work, the more I think communication is crucial
 
This project is so bad it made my coworker cry at the thought of joining me on it
 
Project rarely fail because of technology. They mostly fail because of humans
 
give me an average programmer with excellent communciation skills over a great programmer with no clue about what he needs to do
 
Communication IS crucial. Always
I can deal with people saying what they mean in weird ways
I'm actually kinda good at that
I'm not good at "I want you do do X" and they they get upset that I didn't do the rest of the alphabet
 
6:29 AM
I'll always make a point of explaining myself in different lights
because some people are receptive of certain ways and not in others
 
or "I want you do do X" and then they wanted me to specifically do Y
 
This job is all about the execution.. if we were supposed to be factory workers, then they could tell us "Do X, Y, and then Z"
but that's precisely what we're being paid for
 
Well, it's been fine everywhere else I've been but here it's just pancake
 
I agree 100%. When my boss tells me to use this library in order to reduce latency speeds, he's not letting me do my job properly
 
I was at least given the liberty to upgrade SHA1 to SHA256
 
6:32 AM
I've always thought of it like we're in a technological world that most people don't see or understand. IT can see perfectly and are the best guides.
When the boss ignores advice and says to march through the obstacle ahead (say, a river), you're ignoring solutions like building a boat or finding a better crossover point
 
nods
There are good devs in the team. Especially one Senior dev who's constantly backing me up and have constructive arguments with me.
 
you'll find that these are the developers you want to surround yourself with
 
I can't pinpoint what's specifically making it bad overall, but I'm at a point where I don't even care any more
I have a ton of great developers at my consultancy firm, but I'm all alone here
 
you're probably just approaching burnout
 
From my firm that is
I alreadu burned out
I've just forced myself to keep going
 
6:36 AM
that's rough
You should seriously consider getting taken off the project. Get a change of scenery, you know
 
Crying because you're the most incompetent developer in the world every night is rough
I know that isn't true, I'm better than the ones who originally wrote this application, but I still FEEL that way
Also I'm a crybaby
The deadline is the 25th of May. I'm just holding on raking in the money for my firm atm
The sad truth
So that's why I'm grumpy :P
 
6:54 AM
moans
 
@eFox Don't "sacrifice" for your company. I'm sure your company would agree that if it meant burning out, they'd just reassign you elsewhere instead
also, it's called Imposters Syndrome and it's so common it has a name
Programmers feeling like they're not as good as the others, to the extreme where they think they're almost faking the role
you're a programmer if that is what you do for a living, bottom line
and no programmer always knows the answer no matter what
 
7:26 AM
@Neil In my case it's just plain burnout. I don't feel like an impostor, I just feel useless and incompetent
 
@eFox I've known friends who have burnt out and never wanted to so much as think about programming ever again
I do think we'd all end up like that if we pushed despite being burnt out
 
I believe so too, but there's not much I can do without a doctor's permit saying I AM burnedout. I have a one month resignation time and then it's already end of April which means it's just 1 month left to reach the goal
And then I kinda feel like I want to finish what I started
 
wörk wörk
 
7:45 AM
Börk börk börk
 
7:59 AM
Anyone know inteliji IDEA here ?
 
everyone does
its our world
 
That's like asking if anyone here is familiar with writing a loop in java
 
what is loop?
 
Zoe
What's java?
@wonderb0lt arbeit arbeit arbeit
 
@Wietlol wat is com puter?
 
Zoe
8:09 AM
wat ist spelllingh?
 
Oh Spellingh is our new colleague from India
 
Zoe
lol
and hey @wonderb0lt
 
In inteliji, I have two different project with the same parent. In the ressoures folder of the first one i have a prop.properties files. I wanna use this properties file in my second project test. But i'm not able to load this file. How can i do that ?
I tried every stackoverflow solution, anything works
 
Zoe
8:24 AM
Use the absolute path
 
@Zoe Auto-update works apparently. Tampermonkey just asked me if I wanted to go to the version that has auto-update in it. Don't ask me how that worked but it worked as it seems
 
Zoe
Good! How does it work?
:p
 
@Neyoh Ideally, the project without the property file should depend on the second
then use it through the classpath
second best option is to simply copy and paste the property file
most horrible option is to use relative path to the project containing the property file
 
it doesn't work with the classpath
 
is it not in the classpath of the project containing the property file?
 
yes i supposed
but when i use something like Main.class.getClassLoader().getResourceAsStream("prop.properties")
nullpointerexpection
exception*
 
@Neyoh this looks in the same package folder as the Main class
meaning if your package was com.ilovejustinbieber, then you'd need to have your prop.properties file in a subfolder com/ilovejustinbieber
otherwise replace prop.properties with /prop.properties
and it should look in the root
 
@Zoe I push an update to github. And Tampermokey sees it. And asks you to update
 
Zoe
Yes, but how does the updating work?
did you create a matrix to handle the versions like the docs said?
 
Did I create what?
 
Zoe
8:41 AM
the version matrix. And you also need the indices to update whenever you push a change, meaning you need a CI system
 
I put all the stuff in the top of the script in a meta.js as well and set that as updateUrl in the script. Then add the scripts raw location as downloadUrl and done
 
Zoe
You know, it's all documented. You just have to read the docs in the Bullshit Archiveâ„¢
lol
 
 
8:57 AM
@Zoe Yeah but in the SO questions I read it says I need a meta.js and updateUrl as well as download Url. And no version matrix, no updated indices and no CI system
 
Zoe
Oh? But the Bullshit Archiveâ„¢ is NEVER wrong!
 
@Neil
pastebin.com/EjeKhA6a this one sorry with parent project
 
I need to upload a 8.1GiB file.. :O
 
Zoe
Good for you.
 
Zoe
9:12 AM
what language is that?
 
Grooby
 
Zoe
ew
 
i need it
its for grooby templates
which get loaded at runtime
but there is something wrong
context.size is BOTH 0 AND 2
 
Zoe
use Kotlin instead?
if you're talking about string templates
 
nope
 
9:14 AM
@Wietlol Schroedingers value?
 
im talking about code templates
@geisterfurz007 multithreading
 
@Wietlol groovy is so like the 1960's
 
and thread.sleep
 
Zoe
-------------------------------^
 
^
 
Zoe
9:15 AM
Come join the modern world instead of living in the 60's :p
 
@Zoe heyo
@Zoe That's your solution to everything
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt No, that's my solution to everything you can't do in other JVM languages without writing a lot of code. Like Kotlin has some methods that work the same way as streams, but better :3
 
groovy was coming back in style in the 90s (at least for a while)
though admittedly maybe it wasn't the best language name representing a more "modern" version of java
 
@Zoe Same for Scala :3
:3333
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt lol
 
9:24 AM
But Kotlin is Russian
 
Zoe
Scala is horrible though :3
 
@Zoe You're horrible though <\3 :3
 
Assembly is the best
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt I know :3
 
Compresses 8GiB file => compressed file size.. 11GiB Watafakku.. :|
 
9:30 AM
> Wheatley: Right, hmm... I'm gonna have to hack the door. So that we can get at it. Technical, um... You'll need to turn around while I do it. Turn around. I'll only be a second, if you wouldn't mind.
[Chell turns around; a crashing sound is heard]
Wheatley: Done! Hacked!
 
@Neil Spoiler: Wheatley didn't actually do anything; the window on the door just broke by itself.
 
Zoe
@Neil Portal 2?
 
@Zoe yep
@JennaSloan he's got telekinetic powers
 
9:50 AM
@Neil pastebin.com/EjeKhA6a i tried everything i'm not able to load the prop file
from ain.java
main*
 
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@Neyoh of course, they're in separate folders
 
But how to do that ?
 
@Neyoh unless the source folders for both projects are fold1/ressource and fold2/main, they're not in the same "package"
 
9:53 AM
-_-
i hate concurrency
 
you put them in the same package or you put the proper path in /fold1/ressource/prop.properties
relative to the source folder
@Wietlol and concurrency hates you
 
Thank you @Oak
 
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10:00 AM
Is better to develop a multithreading in Java else in PHP for backend?
 
i'd gladly have to make only multithreaded applications in Java than do anything in Php
 
@ChaitanyaTetali hmm, seems like the more major question should be java vs php
 
in Java, I can fix the issues
in Php, you just have to accept that it is not going to work
 
I'm not familiar enough with php to answer, but I would argue that I'd avoid php on principle
 
10:16 AM
because its Php
 
10:30 AM
@Zoe still love ya though
:3 <3
 
@ChaitanyaTetali because php is a very awkward language
plenty use it, there's nothing "bad" about it per se
It's just perhaps not ideal for a big application
facebook was originally written in php, and they ended up writing their own language variant to improve on it
 
I beg to differ
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt <3 :3
 
It is poorly crafted and they have been trying to fix that for 3 versions now
It's just now getting to a usable level
 
Zoe
@ChaitanyaTetali because PHP is a horrible language that almost borderlines a troll language.
 
10:45 AM
Hi
Can a standalone component be a Website?
 
@ChaitanyaTetali Also, there is no threading support whatsoever without an Extension, and even the extension is atrocious
 
@wonderb0lt their "fix" however is simply adding more stuff
and that is one of the worst fixes in existence
 
Zoe
^
 
> Spaceship operator
lol
 
<> ?
<=> ?
 
10:52 AM
<=>
 
its the compareTo thingy then
 
indeed it is
 
Hi
Im trying to upload image from nicEdit to my local server. Image uploads but nicEdit shows "Failed".
I tried creating a JSON response in controller to return to nicEdit.js but it is always showing "FAILED"
anyone here tried uploading image to local server from nicEdit Image Upload?
 
@SajalGupta This is not a JavaScript room; and no, just because JavaScript has Java in its name, doesn't mean it is in any way similar to Java. Please take your question to a room dedicated to JavaScript. I.e. the JavaScript room is one you can use.
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt the userscript? :3
 
10:58 AM
I know that, Im asking about the JAVA CONTROLLER
 
@Zoe oh there's a userscript now? where?
@SajalGupta NO NEED TO SHOUT
 
now could you help me with the file upload in "java controller"
 
Zoe
It's most likely a JS issue
 
@SajalGupta We have no idea what your "java controller" looks like or what the problem is
 
10:59 AM
im getting a 406 error on response
 
cool
^ come back if you have one of these
 
Have you used nicEdit?
 
Hello every one
i am facing problem in send unicode data from apache server
code is working on my localhost Glass fish
please everyone help me in this i am stuck from last 2 days
 
I need to learn JSP and servlets in class.. isn't this tech dead already..
 
Zoe
11:09 AM
This has got to be a record for highest amount of questions in chat in the shortest amount of time with no MCVE
 
@cswl depends on where you work, really
 
PHP is the most used server side language !!
Doesn't mean it's good tho
Hell no
 
@Zoe "It's been busy, we had a call!"
 
i am using java
 
Zoe
@JitendraMalviya You don't say!
 
11:10 AM
cool, me too!
9 mins ago, by wonderb0lt
https://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve
^ here, improve the mind
 
Zoe
That's supposed to work
 
Is Java inside JSP (HTML) bad practice?
 
It depends on what you do
 
If you only do stuff to display things, it's mostly fine
Separation of concerns
 
^
 
11:14 AM
Follow the good ol MVC :|
 
11:26 AM
Also back to my old problem... I has no Run file in the gutter.. with main method.. :|
 
dunno
 
Whoa.. I just nuked the whole ~/.idea and it's there now
But I lost all my settings :(
 
"I set my car on fire and now it's all black and coal-y"
 
Zoe
lol
 
user9552093
@cswl Did you try turning it off and back on again?
 
11:40 AM
How would you go about implementing a File Manager App?
 
Zoe
//lmgtfy how to create a file manager app
 
@Zoe I like you
 
Zoe
:3
 
I think we have a similar humor
 
11:42 AM
I can now run file with main method on intellij.. o/
Like that's the basic feature a IDE needs to have :|
 
Zoe
@wonderb0lt Looks like it :D
@cswl If you don't like IntelliJ, I'm sure there's a good notepad for you that you'll love...
 
atom.io is nice
a bit slow but still nice
 
I use VSCode.. but not for Java :|
 
Zoe
I meant something more along the lines of Notepad++ though, lol
 
Java servlets.. suck btw
 
user9552093
11:49 AM
You suck
 
Zoe
lol
 
expectorates
 
Could I use something like this for media files too?: java-forums.org/new-java/95688-creating-file-manager-java.html
 
@cswl you cant run a file
stop assuming you are
 
Zoe
11:56 AM
//lmgtfy java media file manager
 
/8ball Could @CrashBandicoot use something like this for media files too?: java-forums.org/new-java/95688-creating-file-manager-java.html
 
@wonderb0lt Most likely
 
there you have it
 
11:58 AM
@Neil So we are not able to access to this files
 
file*
 
user9552093
8 mins ago, by Shadowclaw
You suck
 
8 mins ago, by wonderb0lt
^
 
Zoe
^
 
user9539196
11:58 AM
hey
 
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hya
 
user9539196
oh hey OakBot
 
Zoe
Hey
 
Do I have to add a check for null everywhere :|
 
11:59 AM
Hello Bear at River
 
Zoe
/8ball will it?
 
user8622974
@Zoe Maybe you should consider looking up the manual
 
user9539196
OakBot is still in winter mood
 
@Zoe Yes definitely
 
Zoe
Fun
 
user9539196
11:59 AM
hey@wonderb0lt
 
user9539196
its a tekken character
 
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