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Wes
5:32 AM
will post updates here
 
hm.
 
Wes
i just don't have the strength to deal with some people today
 
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wut…
@Wes so bad?
 
Wes
not only today actually, i get angry very easily about anything and at any time :B
 
@Wes patience, Wes… patience :-)
 
 
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Wes
7:44 AM
@bwoebi
 
 
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8:58 AM
How would a light version look like?
 
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"light" version?
 
On white / light grey background
 
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will require a stroke, like in the pics you posted on twitter
 
Just keeping a small border around it?
 
Wes
yep
 
9:00 AM
I like the background blue, not sure on the eyes though. Maybe a little bit more blue and less green? Maybe something like #08e?
The tusk looks pretty good, especially the end of it. :-)
 
Wes
i'm not completely happy with it though. i will try another version once i have a decent site layout. btw i'm already on it. yours isn't bad, i hope you don't get offended if i want to make a new layout, but this logo is not easy to blend in and the gui must be designed around it (and ultimately the logo improved in consequence of the layout)
are you ok with that?
 
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/topic logo all the things
 
I think these distances should be equal on both sides?
 
Wes
yep, that's not the only thing i could improve
but i'll do in the second stint after i finished the gui, because i'm pretty sure other things will look wrong
 
9:10 AM
@Wes Regarding the landing page, I planned something similar to React's new design: reactphp.org/redesign
A big version of the logo on top, then some quick links to "What is it" and then a list of important packages.
 
Wes
i usually do the landing page at the end, but link me anything you like so i get an idea
just one thing, i would kill the menu popup under "packages"
it's going to be a pain to make it work on mobile
and, the site looks pretty empty, i would have that stuff visible
 
@Wes Did you have a look at the current mobile version of it?
I'm not sure if we keep it on GitHub pages even. Maybe I'll develop a doc system based on Aerys similar to Stack Overflow Documentation.
 
Wes
markup will be extremely simple so you can drop it in anywhere
and i just had a look at the mobile version. do you use browser sniffing? :D
 
No, it's all based on media queries. It's a completely static page.
 
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ah you used min-device
that will be deprecated i heard
 
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min-device-width -> min-width
apart what i can see right now on amphp.org, are you planning adding stuff to the gui?
 
It doesn't really matter, as width=device-width set in the viewport meta tag.
@Wes Well, a whole lot of documentation, maybe a blog and definitely a security section somewhere.
 
Wes
like a second menu on top, with quick links, i don't know?
because it's gonna look pretty empty otherwise
 
9:43 AM
Do you have a quick and rough draft of your idea?
 
Wes
9:55 AM
nope i literally just started
 
Wes
10:27 AM
back sorry i was fixing a light switch, was shorting
do you have any examples of sites you like?
i would go with something very simple, like the one you did but a bit more refined
 
10:53 AM
@Wes php-fig.org (in general, but not all parts), engine-alpha.org/wiki/Hauptseite (but that's one I designed), developers.google.com, digitalocean.com, travis-ci.org
 
Wes
aye
i imagined you like that style
 
atom.io, laravel.com/docs/5.2 (I didn't ever use Laravel nor it's documentation, but I had a look at it for inspiration)
Though I think DigitalOcean is too simple. I guess if it's too simple people feel lost as well as it's too complex.
@Wes Don't worry, I'm studying the whole day.
 
Wes
11:32 AM
i'm so fucking tired of flexbox
fucking browsers changing everything all the time
i was thinking to make a flexbox layout but i just wasted time
every time
i hate themmmmm
 
Flexbox is like: OH, it solves all our problems. Then: OH, there are these 99 new problems, like boxes growing more then they should.
So you work directly in code instead of drawing a rough draft on paper?
 
Wes
yes
nobody does that these days
 
Oh, well, I sometimes do. Not very detailed, but for wireframed structures of a layout.
 
Wes
the thing about flexbox is
nobody actually knows how it should work
they are defining it while they are implementing it
like oh there's a new special case, let's add it to the spec
and literally everything is a special case at this stage
it's been publicized a lot
they only make a fool of themselves
right now i have found an inconsistency between chrome and firefox and i have no idea which is right
presumably chrome, but i'm not sure
have you ever seen my flexbox toolkit?
 
11:49 AM
No.
 
Wes
do you remember xul?
it was basically a html5 compatible xul port
 
XUL, isn't that something from Mozilla for their internal / extension interface?
 
Wes
i will finish it eventually. scares me that flexbox works like poo
yes. it's xml based
like <checkbox /> <toolbar> and stuff like that
it was born at the time of netscape, along with flexbox and xbl (now known as web components)
basically technologies that are older than you, and they didn't have sorted out yet :B
i don't follow firefox much these days but they have bugs open since the 20th century. really
and chrome as well... they have broken stuff that literally is been there for decades and there's still no intention to fix it
ever encountered problems with height/scrolling on html and body?
you don't know which element must scroll and what styles you are allowed to use because of chrome. because the behavior is defined since css 1... recommendation since 1996
 
12:07 PM
@Wes I'm not that young.
 
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what's your age? :D
 
20
 
Wes
close enough :P
anyway, if you want to sketch a skeleton or anything, even in mspaint, will help
as i'm doing a layout with things in it but i have no idea what you have in mind they might contain
 
I think the question is really what should and what shouldn't go into the top navigation.
 
Wes
1:03 PM
the main site areas, i think
link to the blog, news
i'd have a menu about "products", packages, documentation, downloads, etc. and a second menu about the organization, like get support, who we are, community, social, etc
 
 
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9:55 PM
@bwoebi @Wes Just found this nice one: dribbble.com/shots/815679-Elephant2
 
10:07 PM
I really like seeing how things are made just by using circles: d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/405521/screenshots/1822752/…
@Wes I changed the color +12 using Gimp and replaced the eye with a wireframe version, what do you think?
Dunno, having the logo there two times is weird, too.
 
10:47 PM
@bwoebi What do you think?
 
@kelunik Your small logo is better than that eye
the big eye is still a bit weird though
 

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