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6:59 AM
morning
folks
 
7:20 AM
morning
 
 
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8:30 AM
morning @all
 
9:19 AM
\o @WhatsThePoint
morning all
 
shane
what kind of luxury mornings do you live
half past 10
 
half ten?
ha! you're an hour ahead of me mate
 
9:44 AM
Morning!
 
\o @Sami
 
i forgot
 
t'is ok ;)
 
Hey @Shaneis o/
 
you english people are always an hour late
;)
 
9:45 AM
o.O
@Shaneis Is that true? Time capsule for just an hour
 
haha I'm back in Ireland again now man
@AndyK yo! Python question
trying to connect to a sql server instance using sqlalchemy
downloaded the sqlalchemy_pytds connector
 
@Shaneis your from ireland?
 
before I try troubleshooting, am I doing this wrong or can I keep going
@Tomm yessum - where it rains all the time sometimes stout as well
 
He is from M$
 
Not even lying, it happened in my town dailyedge.ie/rained-beer-2666280-Mar2016
haha I wish @Sami, I saw their office in dublin, got given a tour. Jealous af!
 
9:49 AM
i love ireland
what part are you from?
i have a few friends in ireland
 
Yeah, but who know maybe your wishes comes true one day @Shaneis
 
The Whest, Galway living, working in Limerick
Need to get the finger out and find a place in Limerick though
@Sami just gotta keep working, learning, and growing til then :D
 
aa west
my friends are from bangor
if you know that place
 
oh Northern Ireland!
 
its east
 
9:52 AM
Oh come on, we all know you don't any friends there
 
?
 
what? Bangor, County Down?
It's north man ?
 
north east
 
i was in bangor on saturday
 
Did you believe that @Shaneis?
 
9:53 AM
I dont understand your frustrations sami
 
he don't have any friends there
 
and bangor is in wales, unless there is another in ireland?
 
I don't know Sami, don't actually know where @WhatsThePoint is from
 
bangor is in northern ireland @WhatsThePoint
 
he may do?
we're all worldly nowadays
 
9:54 AM
Okey, then you both wrong and he is alone true
 
?
 
hahaha I'm happily wrong if it means I can learn stuff. Doubt he's wrong though on where his friends are though
 
@Shaneis i live in manchester
 
what!? Dammit I was there last month for SQLBits!!!
Man your city centre looks so cool!
 
^^^^
 
9:55 AM
@WhatsThePoint Yeah, that's true
 
@Tomm so apparently there is a bangor in NI and wales
 
interesting
 
manchester city centre is not that cool :D
 
there's a banagher in Ireland if that helps?
 
Interesting? in which way?
 
9:56 AM
ight im muting you sami
your getting on my nerves
 
hahaha
 
oh fyi guys, I found out yesterday that sql 2014 is out of support from July this year. Get migrating peoples!
 
oof
@Shaneis shouldve said :(
 
@Shaneis Really?
 
Banagher isnt that near the dead center of ireland?
 
9:57 AM
pretty much, it's east side of the west of the country
 
lmao
 
Soz @WhatsThePoint, like I said though, had no idea where you were from :(
 
andrew is also in manchester too
 
@Tomm I think you forgot that I'm who always make you angry ;)
 
@WhatsThePoint son of a!
ah man, all information that would have been nicer a month ago
 
9:58 AM
is everyone from manchester nowadays?
 
Not you at least @Tomm
 
well who wouldnt want to be from manchester
 
Me
 
manchester has quite a good uni aswell right
 
yeah it does
 
10:01 AM
... no one going to make a joke about the soccer team? I would but I don't follow soccer
 
i dont support a manchester team
 
Oh man, we don't need troubles with Mr.Marshal
 
i dont support any team anymore
used to follow it
but meh
 
Does this mean you don't like football anymore @Tomm?
 
brb meetings
 
10:06 AM
o/
 
@Sami please behave Sami
I don't want to call the moderator
but if I have to, I will
 
Morning
 
@Andrew morning sir
 
good morning
 
War
morning data torturers
 
10:22 AM
@Shaneis and ?
 
Hey @War
@AndyK Huh? did I do something wrong? I think we just joke no?
 
wait what?!!??! @War is here
 
War
I come out of my corner on rare occasions
 
hahaha
really I miss ya
 
War
been a busy lately ... spent like 2 months just asking M$ support "why is my app only crashing in azure"
runs on 4 environments locally, 1 in IBM's cloud, and in AWS
but not on Azure
and they are blaming my code
saying it's creating exceptions and what not
which it is ... but the info I have is that the exceptions are in windows dll's
and only on the cloud
so i'm like ... wtf
and MS are like "well it's your app, not our problem"
 
10:29 AM
@Sami a joke is funny when the other laughs...
 
Alright alright
 
War
The smug shrugness of it all is a pain in my ass
That was random @AndyK
I agree with that sentiment too
is it still funny if only the person telling the joke laughs ... I do that often
apparently i'm a bad comedian
that must be why
:facepalm: right
 
Still I like ya @War
also you don't get angry too fast
 
@War I would say this is a public room. Let's have try to have a common understanding that we are coming from different cultures and that we may find funny, is not funny for other people ;)
 
War
meh ... no point in raging about you @Sami ... we all know you're special
;)
 
10:32 AM
;)
 
War
@AndyK what no ... multiple cultures in an internet chat room ??? surely not!!!
(please detect sarcasm there)
 
@War ha ha
 
War
That's never happened to me before ... honest
 
@War even funnier
 
War
maybe my comedy skills aren't that bad then
 
10:34 AM
@War there is some material here
 
War
oh dear ... in the meantime ... i'll be sure not to give the day job
i'm a better bad programmer than I am a bad comedian
 
@War stick in with programming, a comedian always need a backup plan
:D
 
War
well this is awkward
I have so many windows open
it's not even funny any more
might reboot my pc for the sheer hell of it
 
thats the best
when u have so much shit open
its better to reboot cause you dont know what you will close
if you go over all those tabs and windows
 
War
it's like the window lottery on my machine right now
 
10:38 AM
lmao
 
War
so according to the diagnostic trace i have here
My app is failing because a thing i don't depend on can't be loaded to report on the exception i'm having
wtaf azure
 
@War azure is pooh
 
War
lmao ... when petitions go wrong ...
https://twitter.com/NemoKrad/status/1109014427725119488
my friend (Charles) wrote a bit of code to analyse the data
hilarious
 
the comments
some of them still crack me up
News flash ya dingus
 
War
:facepalm: he renders raw data and gets called out for some reason
it's not like he made up something like welll ... the bbc or just about every policitian in the last 2 years in the UK at least lol
ok rant over
back to complaining that Azure sucks
3
Apparently just being on Azure means my app now needs more references than it does locally
wtf MS
 
10:54 AM
who is good with git?
 
back!
stupid meetings over for 10 mins
 
good or knows how it works andy?
 
@Tomm good
trying to push smthg in my repo
and it gives me that
 
please tell me
 
fatal: The current branch weakref_translation_po has no upstream branch.
To push the current branch and set the remote as upstream, use

    git push --set-upstream origin weakref_translation_po
 
10:55 AM
you havent forced a push
 
no, no forced push. my god. force push...
 
that "origin" crap always annoyed me. Just use the name of a remote, makes it make more sense to me
 
ive forced a push my first ever time wokring with git
that
thought me a lot
 
I have remote origin and upstream
why the stupid is still giving me that error?
ok got to run to catch up with some ppl. brb.
 
War
WHY Azure!!!
 
11:03 AM
@AndyK - the branch was created locally
and you have a config setting switched off which automatically on push creates the identical branch at the origin - so its asking you to explicitly make that request
 
oh that could be it
 
branch.autosetupmerge I think is the setting
 
set it with git config or actually change a file?
 
git config should be able to accept the change - git config --global branch.autosetupmerge always
 
ive started using github desktop with my laravel project recently
makes life so easy
dont have to remember to do any commands or anything
i just select the changes i want to push and voila
 
11:07 AM
it is a bit of an oddity in git, but its purely because the branch has been generated locally and it doesn't wish to make assumptions about what the remote is called
 
70 messages while ive been gone, anything worth scrolling back for?
 
there is a shortcut in git for the same, I think its git -u
@WhatsThePoint - no
 
awesome
 
I've only recently started to "get" git
only been hacking at it on and off for the past year
first push - think I tried to push every single file on my computer up to the remote
Ah the joys of looking back on your mistakes :D
 
you did what
lmao
 
11:09 AM
yup, luckily i was trying to do a PR to a repo that I didn't have access to. Very quickly they were like "eh....Shane?...No."
 
Finally something fun on my side
creating QR scanning type of payment for a bank
 
brb more meetings
 
War
11:39 AM
was that you @Tomm
cmon now ... own up
were you hippo hunting on tinder ?
 
War
11:51 AM
The daily mail must really be scraping the barrel though if that's news
 
i go through daily mail for the funny articles mainly, if i want actual news i would go to the bbc
 
War
12:11 PM
The BBC is full of lies and cover ups
I basically don't trust them any more ... cancelled my TV licence too
It's just a tax for being served up lies
 
War
12:29 PM
That sounded really conspiratorial didn't it lol
I promise i'm not crazy ... honest guv
I don't think the world is flat or anything like that (apologies to anyone who does but you must be nuts to believe that)
 
12:44 PM
you didn't heard? they collecting cash to go to Antarctica to find a wall
the guy who though about that bullshit is damn genius, got everything a crazy person need, gov's coverup, lies, promise of beautiful life beyond the wall ... awesome story to fill up your youtube views and conventions, nice amount of cash in there :D
 
There was a published mathematical theory around 'cover ups' and conspiracies
It looked at factors such as the number of people involved, time duration and a range of other factors to determine what is the expected length something can be kept secret
Using that method, it calculated that if the moon landing was a hoax for example, it would of lasted 3.68 years before the cover was blown
(That fact that there are multiple pieces of physical evidence you can still see / access to day, does somewhat put a hole in any conspiracy there)
 
1:00 PM
did that theory ever proved to be true? like did it ever expose any hoax?
 
the theory was in effect trying to produce a mathematical model, based on as much real data and logic as possible
 
War
lol
 
it can't be used to expose one, it can only judge the potential / modelled chance that something for a long period still could be
a certain percentage would still consider moon landings a hoax - trying to equate a percentage chance they they are right is an interesting modelling question
There are at least 4 golf balls on the moon, but you can't see them - there is however a buggy and a reflective box left on there, both of which can be located
So there is physical evidence that items were placed on the surface - whether they were placed by human hands or an unmanned mission would then be the point of debate
(or what you would be attempting to model)
 
i get it, it is fun
also i have a question for both of you guys, as you are filled with loads of XP in IT
 
(you mean we are old?)
 
1:09 PM
but wise? :D
here is the thing ... it something i am 100% against, but still want to hear your opinion
Currently I am outsourced developer, and within 1-2 months, my company will outsource me to another company ... and they asked me to "raise" my seniority on linked In and other platforms and CV and stuff like that. Just so they can sell me as senior and get more cash
And I have a problem with that, and I already said no, that ain't happening as I am not senior ... and especially all risk is on me, carrier, lies, they can simply say "guy lied to us"
so question is kinda simple, what would you do in that position? would it depend on cash? would you simply "raise" it by yourself ... better question is, when exactly did you start to feel like senior developers?
 
There is different sides to this, legal vs moral - overstating qualifications / incorrectly stating facts on resume during UK recruitment is a dismissible offence, e.g. you can and will get fired.
So regardless of a moral aspect, in the UK the legal aspect says you can not do it without being at risk. Your laws though may not be the same, so you have to rely on the moral aspect - and clearly acting without integrity is never going to sit well, or end well in my view - so I would not alter anything.
 
ofc, I do say i ain't senior dev, but my company see me as one and wish to sell me as one
 
Now, the question of what is a 'senior' - there should be a job spec
 
Software developer, .net , sql server .. cool stuff
bit of web, bit of wcf services
 
and every company can have a different view of 'senior' - you should get the job spec for senior, and mark yourself against that - you can get the senior job spec for the new company, and mark yourself against that - if you tick the boxes, you are senior, if you do not, you are not.
 
1:19 PM
hmm makes sense
 
If there is a spec for senior, then it should be specific, measurable etc that means you can be scored to see if you 'pass'
if you genuinely tick every senior job spec aspect, then it would be fair to be considered 'senior'
although I would still argue that if you tick every box and they want to sell you as a senior, then you should already have that title and remuneration - and start asking why you do not have it already?
Of course others will have other opinions, but that is just my personal advice.
 
honestly I just don't feel like senior ... i have 4-5 years of xp in dev, but I am far from senior man, still much to learn
 
It shouldn't be an aspect of 'feel' which is subjective, it should be a measurable list of knowledge / facilities that are assigned to that title, which you can be measured against
 
1:38 PM
I understand what you saying
thanks for giving me different perspective
 
@Andrew I figured out with the help of someone , the autocompletion did not work out correctly and the adding was not done
once it has been done plus the commit
things are going fine
 
nah I got it working @AndyK
need this 'mssql+pymssql://sa:SuperSecretPassword01@localhost:50001'
 
@Shaneis hé hé python-ster at work
 
just trying to learn it eventually ;)
easiest way is to slowly test and build up processes
 
@Shaneis sounds good.
 
1:50 PM
hardest bit is trying to stop myself using PowerShell for it :D
 
I'm thinking about using sqlalchemy now.
 
yeah?
 
Powershell is great but well... not sure if there is a not a limit on it actually
@Shaneis yeah. I'm doing some stuff with a friend on Django
and he was actually mentionning ORM
 
Django is the website framework?
 
yep
 
1:53 PM
cool
 
ooh what game?
 
building a website that will serve as a real website for a game shop, that may be doing in a distant or not distant future , online shopping
games that my mate is designing
 
user11100279
2:11 PM
hi all
 
user11100279
I have this code here: UPDATE innerb
SET pcode = left(pcode, length(pcode) -2)
WHERE pcode LIKE '%newv'; instead of -2 how could I replace with specific ending such as `101`
 
War
-1
:shrug:
or use right(...)
instead of left
 
user11100279
hold on boss
 
user11100279
UPDATE innerb
SET pcode = right(pcode, length(pcode) '101')
WHERE pcode LIKE '%newv';
 
user11100279
like this?
 
2:25 PM
@Eduards what is 101 for?
 
War
2:45 PM
couldn't you just use ... pcode + '101'
UPDATE innerb
SET pcode = pcode + '101'
WHERE pcode LIKE '%newv';
also if you're trying to do replacements use replace()
i'm not sure what you're trying to do exactly ?
 
Sly
team i have this code (CASE WHEN CODE ='MATCHED_TO_CASE' AND J_NAME=J_NAME THEN 'T' ELSE 'F' END AS TREND), its returning T and F even where the condition is not always met
any suggestion
 
Using SOUNDEX for the first time. Not sure if it's what I should use. But basically I'm trying to have in my AJAX live search if a user misspells "Management" when searching on my website it still populates even if a user spelled it like "Mangment" or "Menagmnt"
How would I make that work?
Using MySQL
 
gosh
busy day :(
@SCodeSK71 no experience with Soundex
sorry buddy
 
3:00 PM
No worries, do you know if that's what I would use to have similar sounding words still populate?
 
@SCodeSK71 try searching 'auto complete'
 
Will do thx @ARr0w
 
@SCodeSK71

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFA_enPK826US826&ei=c_qUXK7zKZGhUJz-jGA&q=autocomplete+ajax&oq=auto+complete&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i71l8.0.0..12048...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.6C2DXCx-KCY
 
On it
 
auto complete does what you are asking about, when an user starts to type, the ajax hits database and brings back the data respecting to the inputs user have put.
which would lessen the chances of miss spelling
typing "c" would populate these from database -> call, caller, colleagues <- if they are stored.
Now the user will know the spell as well to select or type to search what it needs too
good night folks
 
3:23 PM
@ARr0w have a good saturday and a nice Sunday
 
3:55 PM
WEEKEEEEEEND !!!!
now i can go home and work on my side project ....
fuck its so sad
cya lads
 
cya @Veljko89 have a good weekend
im off too now, have a good one all
 
bye guys
have a good one
 
sorry lads, just back from meetings now. You know what. 4pm is a lovely time to start work </rage>
 
@Shaneis damn
 
yeah...a mix of internal meetings, project planning meetings, and damn-politics-where-people-cry-on-my-shoulder meetings
all of them could be replaced by email/slack tbh >:(
 
4:09 PM
@Shaneis the worse kind of meeting
 
yeah...especially when both sides are talking to me..
...and I think both sides need to swallow some pride and apologise to each other...
 
@Shaneis I 'm starting to resent those colleagues who use as a pawn in their little political game
one of my ex colleague is like that
always sh#tting on other people
, blaming others for his bad luck
 
not worth it mate
 
@Shaneis nope, definitely not
 
oh well, at least tomorrow is the weekend
 
4:13 PM
@Shaneis this is the good news
@Shaneis going to grab a pint with one of my mate
or even 2
 
nice!
 

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