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12:08 AM
Away with the butans.
That's not a ninja.
 
lol
 
This is embarrassing.
It's a samurai.
 
@StackedCrooked Obviously not. Ninjas are invisible.
 
Ah. Perhaps there's a deeper meaning.
 
Why can't it be Jiraiya?
There can be multiple interpretations to it.
 
12:17 AM
I bought the book. It teaches some nifty stuff.
 
(Likewise, a spear?)
 
You can use toString on a function to get its source code. You can then programmatically change that code and eval it.
 
Ell
Ninjas never even existed
 
@Ell Yes they did
 
12:20 AM
JavaScript ninjas are folklore though.
A or was a covert agent or mercenary in feudal Japan who specialized in unorthodox warfare. The functions of the ninja included espionage, sabotage, infiltration, and assassination, and open combat in certain situations. Their covert methods of waging war contrasted the ninja with the samurai, who observed strict rules about honor and combat. The shinobi proper, a specially trained group of spies and mercenaries, appeared in the Sengoku or "warring states" period, in the 15th century, but antecedents may have existed in the 14th century, and possibly even in the 12th century (Heian ...
lol, the bold words have disappeared
 
@Ell They must be doing a damn good job if you don't even know they exist.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Speaking of ninjas, I think the following is cool: "female ninja" is written as くのいち(ku-no-ichi). The Kanji for "woman" is 女, which looks like くノ一 (ku-no-ichi again) layed over each other - and the Kanji is drawn in that order too.
 
TIL CAT5e cables can handle 1 Gbps of throughput over a distance of 100 m.
 
Category 5 cable (Cat 5) is a twisted pair cable for carrying signals. This type of cable is used in structured cabling for computer networks such as Ethernet. The cable standard provides performance of up to 100 MHz and is suitable for 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX (Fast Ethernet), and 1000BASE-T (Gigabit Ethernet). Cat 5 is also used to carry other signals such as telephony and video. The cable is commonly connected using punch down blocks and modular connectors. Most Category 5 cables are unshielded, relying on the twisted pair design and differential signaling for noise rejection. Categ...
 
Fuck CAT5. Fiiiiiiiiiiiiber
 
12:30 AM
> Category 5 cable (Cat 5) is a twisted pair cable for carrying signals. This type of cable is used in structured cabling for computer networks such as Ethernet. The cable standard provides performance of up to 100 MHz and is suitable for 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX (Fast Ethernet), and 1000BASE-T (Gigabit Ethernet).
 
@Xeo Yep, I learned that as a trick to help memorize the writing order of onna.
 
Xeo
Yep
 
@StackedCrooked They're supposed to support Gigabit Ethernet, no?
 
@Insilico Apparently they do.
 
1Gbps is not an enormously fast thing anymore
 
12:32 AM
My workplace is specialized in cable internet. So fiber will eventually be our downfall.
 
Cat6 is what you need for 10 Gigabits/sec.
 
Your LAN is easily 1Gbps if your NIC is new enough
FIBER TO EVERYTHING
 
(Cat6a if you want longer distances)
 
My upload to a external HD with cat5e cable is around 20 MB/s.
Which is only 160 Mbps.
 
@StackedCrooked How'd you connect a HD to a computer via Cat5e?
Like is it a NAS or what?
 
12:34 AM
@Insilico What, you never rewired Cat5 to USB
 
@CatPlusPlus Why the hell would I do that.
 
@Insilico I bought this Airport Time Capsule. Which is basically a wireless router with a hard disk combined. I used it as a wired router.
 
Because you're bad at spotting jokes
 
@StackedCrooked Typically these "cable speed" things don't account for protocol overhead and other stuff.
 
Protocol overhead is not so much given an MTU of 1500.
5-10% at most.
 
12:35 AM
@StackedCrooked True. It could also be crap software. Which there's clearly none of in this world.
 
Maybe my configuration is not optimal.
Normally it's supposed to be used as a wireless router. But then I'm maxed at 100 Mbit.
Given my current wifi nic.
I should get a better wifi adapter.
This Airport has "directed 5Ghz beam" which is the real shit.
(According to Apple.)
 
Wifi always sucks
 
@StackedCrooked Everything Apple makes is the real shit according to Apple.
Of course sometimes it ends up just being real shit.
 
Yes.
Since my external HD (Lacie with Seagate inside) died today I impulsively bought this thing.
 
One of my friends bought an android phone (he had an iPhone previously) and he found wifi passwords from his old phone in the new phone. How Is it possible?
 
12:40 AM
However, my computer doesn't have 802.11ac wifi.
 
@StackedCrooked I wonder how hot that little box gets.
 
@Insilico It's been running at 100% for over 12 hours now and it's lukewarm.
I'm making backups.
3 TB takes a long time to fill at 160Mbps.
 
@StackedCrooked Must have a really efficient switch mode power supply
 
Dunno.
 
@Jefffrey Your friend could be mistaken.
 
12:42 AM
So this year two hard disks have died on me. Both were Seagates.
 
@StackedCrooked IIRC Google did a hard disk reliability study and found that the failure rate was highly correlated to the manufacturer of the drive.
More so than anything else.
They of course won't reveal what manufacturers those are.
 
He showed me. He have wifi password of other cities, that he never went after buying the new phone.
 
My internal HD in my iMac was replaced by Apple free of charge. Two years and six months after I bought it.
It was a replacement program because defects were found in the HD type.
Must have cost a lot.
But I don't understand why they do this after warrantee has long expired.
 
@StackedCrooked I had a friend whose laptop HD died and was replaced like three times. The Apple store guys basically just gave him a new laptop because that laptop is cursed or something.
@StackedCrooked Maybe the HD manufacturer is footing at least part of the bill?
 
Good question.
 
12:47 AM
I wonder if I can stick a USB hub into the USB ports on some of these routers and have it work with multiple drives or something.
I doubt it, but probably possible if I reflashed the firmware
 
A lot is possible if you have the right drivers.
 
I got the chance to load CyanogenMod onto the cheapest possible Samsung tablet I bought a while ago. Works just fine.
Are fiber optic systems expensive because the cable itself is expensive, or is it just that the endpoint electronics have to be more complicated?
 
Equipment is more expensive
 
We got a few of those endpoints laying around. They are just metal clamps that you put on the end of a cable. They are crazy expensive.
 
Anything optics related seems to be ridiculously expensive unless you get them in huge quantities. With the exception of things like LEDs, but those are mass-produced like there's no tomorrow.
 
12:58 AM
It's not consumer-oriented market, so d'oh
 
Hm. Gmail didn't show me an email from an hour ago.
 
Consumers don't even get 100Mbit yet.
 
@CatPlusPlus Neither are places like mouser.com and digikey.com, and I'm pretty sure semiconductors take way the hell more capital to make than optics. Probably just a matter of mass production.
 
I suspect it's mostly just market segregation and not actual incurred costs
 
So apparently Google's backup, backups your wifi password (by default). Is that possible?
 
1:01 AM
After 10G there's gonna 40G which will likely be skipped because there is more interest in 100G.
 
Xeo
ooh, Robot playing Antichamber
 
@Jefffrey Of course it's possible, why wouldn't it be possible
 
@CatPlusPlus privacy and shits like that.
Why would Google need wifi passwords in the first place?
 
@Jefffrey Why not? Windows System Restore remembers my wireless networks settings, surely Google can do that as well for backups.
 
Uh why would Google need any of your data
It's your fucking backup, why else
 
So a google account could explain why my friends got wifi passwords saved on his iPhone, on his new android phone?
 
wifi passwords are often saved as plain text
 
@Jefffrey Are we talking about wireless network settings, or the actual password text itself?
 
@Insilico password text itself.
 
@Jefffrey It could be that your friend saved said passwords in a text file someplace. If you saved them on something like Dropbox, then it's not inconceivable that they would be synced across devices.
Or any "could"-based service for that matter.
 
1:05 AM
@StackedCrooked They cannot be not saved as plain text
 
Sorry.
I meant, that you can toggle plain text or password mode in the text field.
 
I mean, you probably have some account-level encryption, but that doesn't stop them from being backed up
 
@Insilico He never explicitly (like creating a .txt file by hand) saved those password anywhere. He had those passwords saved in the iOS settings and he found the same passwords in the android easy-access wifi settings.
 
btw don't use Google's backup shit, they encrypt it with their own key, not your password
 
@Jefffrey Wait, what you just said is not consistent with what you just said earlier.
 
1:09 AM
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@Insilico I meant that he showed me (in the android password settings) the plain text password.
 
How can you save Wifi passwords in the settings UI of these devices without saving the associated network settings? (SSID, encryption, etc.)
 
Not in an external file.
When you access a wifi you can define that that wifi settings can be saved for automatic access later, right?
 
@Jefffrey Bullshit. No WiFi settings UI shows me the password in plaintext after saving the network settings.
 
@Insilico Ok, maybe another app/widget of android that can show those passwords.
 
1:12 AM
@StackedCrooked I swear that was posted on reddit with the same comment a long time ago.
 
@Rapptz Yep, it's pretty old.
It's a screenshot I took from then.
 
@StackedCrooked I like the "Possibly misleading" tag.
 
@Insilico The name of the program he used is "Wifi pass recovery & backup" (on Andorid).
 
1:45 AM
@Insilico Windows does (needs privilege elevation, though).
 
You know, at one point, I was about to name my account: Mr. IDGAF haha, but I thought that might be a little inappropriate.
 
2:24 AM
@Insilico It might be reversibly encrypted on an account level or something, but you can retrieve a wifi password trivially.
 
2:34 AM
Oh cool. This works
lol I just found this again
explicit constexpr operator bool() const noexcept
 
-1 not enough keywords
 
I think the only one missing would be override if you can do that
 
no youre missing inline
 
I planned to spend the next birthday all by myself, but my friends and relatives wouldn't let me & insisted on celebrating it ... and separately
 
volatile &&
 
2:45 AM
@Borgleader can't do inline inside of classes since they're automatically inline
 
You can add the keyword, though.
 
drop bear - top aussie hoax
 
If I have a parent-child relationship and the parent owns all the children, what smart pointer should I use?
 
parent child as in a tree ?
 
2:50 AM
I'm thinking unique_ptr but people seem to be modeling node-like things with shared_ptr and weak_ptr
@Borgleader yeah
 
I'd go for unique because ownership and single parent
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course. I was assuming a "normal" WiFi UI usually presented to users.
 
@Insilico That is "normal" Wifi UI whatever that is
 
@Rapptz I would use unique_ptr for the parent-to-child pointer and raw pointers for child-to-parent pointers.
(or instead a raw pointer, some kind of smart dumb pointer like non_owning_ptr or something)
 
well it's kind of like a singly-linked list
 
2:59 AM
Unless your child nodes can participate in multiple trees.
 
except not really
it's the best way to explain the nodes though
 
@Insilico Doing that amounts to copy-on-write and is utterly silly.
 
While looking for info on google on the subject, I found this and I'm still confused.
I have no idea what this is
But someone apparently took the time to write this
 
@Rapptz I'm almost certain the examiner for that patent doesn't either.
 
> [0028] To this end, Ptr includes a member function template, template<typename TT>Ptr (const Ptr<TT>& other)
Definitely C++.. I guess..
 
3:05 AM
Patents always written in some bizarre legalese that makes it impossible to understand it by reading it on a first pass.
Remember these are often written by lawyers, not engineers.
 
3:16 AM
#include <whateverYouNeed.h>
I'd love such an header.
(From the Red Book (OGL))
 
3:59 AM
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^^ wut
 
4:09 AM
morning
 
4:25 AM
evening
 
morning
 
night
 
4:48 AM
evening
 
Night lounge.
 
5:29 AM
arvoDnoon
 
5:51 AM
Where does the hate for names with manager in them come from?
 
from their failures to deliver
 
The fact it's completely non-descriptive and usually violates SRP.
 
fair point about non-descriptive
@ScottW everything good?
lazy describes my situation best
chances are I'll switch over to audio only and after that unsubscribe to all events soon (sleep)
 
no fun
 
6:03 AM
I've never met an asian woman with a cupsize bigger than B. :(
 
Clearly you don't watch enough porn... Oh wait you said met.
 
even in porn it's not very common (and those who do have a bigger cupsize are 100% fake breasts)
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I have a brown dog and brown floor, experience the same thing at times when walking around in the apartment when it is dark. Have been close to stepping on him a couple of times.
 
& the dog didn't move away when you almost stepped onto it?
 
he was sleeping
 
6:22 AM
this is kinda, erm, hardcore?
 
nice lasers @3:10
 
lol
Anonymous  09/29/13(Sun)01:55 UTC-4 No.211912448!Replies: >>211913471
Why the hell is paying for good reviews a bad thing?
 
lol
Kinda defeats the purpose.
 
slick (re-spamming)
 
I forgot about this show
 
6:31 AM
> Always listen to what the teacher is saying.
Nice try, teacher.
 
> Be on your BEST behavior. What does BEST mean in context?
 
best behaviour
it's capitalised for emphasis, think boldface.
 
ok no irony
 
Oh. The show is 10 years old.
Dang.
 
> Be yourself... is usually pretty bs advice. Never got how that is done in practice and what the alternative is.
 
6:35 AM
Acting in a way that is unnatural to me is usually awkward and counterproductive.
 
why not?
 
How much is it worth?
I mean what is its value?
 
I've never seen those coins, but they look like quarters.
 
Oh, it's 5 cents.
 
Dang. Those are big nickels.
 
6:39 AM
Found it here. and was confused by the title.
> when I was a kid, I found a bunch of coins my father had collected, mercury dimes, buffalo nickels, wheat pennies, bicentennial quarters, steel pennies, etc. after that, I would regularly steal coins from there to go buy candy.
 
Xeo
Whaaaat?! They actually reviewed a proposal from std-proposals without anyone specifically championing it? I should've just posted my paper to std-proposals too. :<
 
Yesss
Or as Jesse would say, yo
 
@Xeo Looks like he actually made a paper
Or what are you saying? I might have misunderstood.
 
Xeo
7:00 AM
@Rapptz Yeah, he made a paper, but it doesn't seem like he had anyone champion it, that is, present, explain and defend it.
 
Ah.
Maybe someone std-proposals did?
And they told Jeffrey, "Hey this guy on std-proposals wrote this and he'd appreciate feedback"?
 
@Xeo Keep in mind that they rejected it :)
 
Xeo
Wtf. You need to log in to register on that EDG TWiki thing.
 
EDG TWiki?
Cool error.
error: function 'test::MyClass::MyClass()' defaulted on its first declaration with an exception-specification that differs from the implicit declaration 'test::MyClass::MyClass()'
     MyClass() noexcept = default;
     ^
 
@Xeo Can happen, it's just not common. Chicago was both longer and had way less papers than Bristol. They should have reviewed the papers that weren't at Bristol first.
 
7:11 AM
Is my idea not plausible? I don't know what usually happens so I'm curious
 
@Rapptz What idea?
 
Someone on std-proposals championing for the person
 
that can also happen, but again, it's not common.
 
So where do people get the criticisms for their paper to make revisions?
Is it std-proposals? Because I rarely see those
 
in person when they champion it
 
7:14 AM
Wow sounds like a long and annoying process
 
if someone else champions your paper, then it's their problem to send you the feedback.
@Rapptz And more importantly, totally discriminatory.
 
I guess if I ever make a proposal I should probably make 5..
 
what would be much more effective is finding some Committee members who would be interested, and simply discussing it with them directly.
 
@DeadMG To what?
Bias?
 
well.
everyone here is already quite familiar with the Asylum.
the long and short is that the Committee decided they didn't want to do real business in public.
a vast amount of the real work for papers goes on in internal Committee mailing lists.
you can put six months into working on a proposal, and spend a large amount of money and time attending the meeting, for five minutes feedback which sinks your paper from a Committee member.
whereas if that Committee member had made the proposal, they would have used the mailing list, and got that feedback in five minutes, and brought a paper that stands a hope of being accepted.
 
7:18 AM
Is it really that hard to get in contact with a committee member?
I would have figured someone there wouldn't mind giving advice or feedback who goes online, like the LLVM guys I guess
 
I honestly don't know, I didn't realize it was so necessary before I turned up.
and the feedback you get in the Asylum can well be worse than useless.
 
std-proposals is pretty shitty
 
I agree, but I figured that if I ignored the insane ones, I'd get some useful feedback.
as opposed to feedback, even from the sane ones, that was in complete opposite of what the Committee actually wanted
 
On an unrelated note, I do wonder when mailing lists will stop being used.
 
people still use black and white televisions
 
7:33 AM
I don't know what operator to overload for this syntax since operator&& and operator|| seems dirty
 
depends on the syntax really
 
um, think of keys
ctrl && w <-- ctrl and w pressed
and ctrl || w <-- ctrl or w pressed
I don't know of an alternate syntax for that
I would have done ctrl + w but I have no alternative for ||
 
use the binary versions.
 
you mean & and |?
 
also, your approach is utterly unsustainable.
 
7:36 AM
do you have any better ideas?
 
sure
 
shoot.
 
first, you need to use some kind of enumeration for keys- and only the special ones like ctrl, shift, alt, etc.
consider what would happen if I was using your program on a Chinese keyboard.
 
Oh. I was using those as an example. The keys are stored in an enum.
These are just "actions"
 
well, you'll have to be pretty ballsy to store all possible input characters in an enum.
of all languages.
and by that, I mean, "That enum was already invented and it's called Unicode".
especially when you consider input characters that are not legal C++ identifiers.
you need to consider your potential input as a Unicode string, since that's what it is.
 
7:40 AM
I don't understand how keys on a keyboard being pressed suddenly became about unicode :s
 
@Rapptz Well, does your enum have ™ in it?
 
Does ™ have a Virtual-Key code? Then no, it doesn't.
 
the VK stuff isn't really useful anymore except for some of the modifiers, like ctrl.
 
man
 
they ran into exactly the same problem- you can't extend VK to cope with the inputs of a keyboard of an arbitrary language.
that's why WM_CHAR and that kind of thing exist now.
because you can listen to WM_CHAR and you can pick up ™ from there.
 
7:43 AM
Well thanks for the lecture (even though ™ is actually 5 key presses for me) and the suggestion.
 
@Rapptz It is for me too. But I doubt that a Chinese letter is five key presses for a Chinese keyboard.
 
Well, Chinese, Japanese and Korean use the phonic versions of IME to type.
 
Xeo
Yeah, that.
 
and Greek, and Russian?
 
Xeo
You type the romanized version and select from a list of possible Kanji for Japanese.
 
7:45 AM
Russian is accessed through a modifier key like Shift and the key pressed with a symbol appearing beneath the Latin key from what I've seen.
Don't know about Greek.
 
hmm, I'm sure I've seen Chinese keyboards that just had a bunch of Chinese characters on them
 
Those were fake images (you can look it up on snopes)
 
Xeo
obtw Puppy, up for hardmode?
 
sure.
 
Xeo
new IP?
 
7:48 AM
you know, it's pretty stupid that terraria requires direct IP, but doesn't tell you what your IP is.
even D2 could do that.
2.124.28.252
 
Xeo
oh, still the same
 
Do you guys use TShock?
 
what's that?
 
I heard Terraria's online sucks without it
Looks like a way to make a server
 
Xeo
maybe for big servers
 
8:04 AM
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Probably already posted
 
> :) void main work too. for some compilers as far as I know – hasan 38 mins ago
> Don't care I test. and program is running :) – hasan 35 mins ago
ugh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19075519/overload-cout-without-any-user-defined-things-in-main-in-c
 
8:20 AM
hey guys, can you vote for this synonyms? thanks.
http://stackoverflow.com/tags/dynamic-memory-allocation/synonyms
http://stackoverflow.com/tags/parameter-passing/synonyms
 
if only I could :(
 
8:42 AM
@Xeo: What just happened?
 
Xeo
I have no idea
 
terraria just went back to menu
without me asking
 
Xeo
I lost my connection
did you have a 24h DC or something?
 
it's back up so just reconnect
@Xeo No.
 
Xeo
weird
 
user1804599
9:33 AM
@LihO No.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG this lag is reaaally bad. I just wanted to hop to teleport back, and it thinks I'm still on the server
 
@Xeo My brother is probably torrenting.
 
Xeo
slap him or something
can you tell me when the server realizes I disconnected?
 
a few moments ago
 
9:53 AM
More buttrigs
Also mornin
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Ugliest room ever.
 
@CatPlusPlus is that where you bring your dates?
 
Funniest thing about this is that the hardware is like 20k$
But nope can't afford a cabinet that wouldn't be slanted.
Well, a rack.
I'm bad with words.
 
Uh why would you want that async.
 
user1804599
10:09 AM
ITS FASTER
 
not to block UI but maybe that is just dumb, should be pretty fast. Is Exists a roundtrip to hdd?
 
user1804599
People with hard drives that slow are already used to blocking UIs.
 
Everything I/O is a roundtrip to HDD.
 
user1804599
Not neccesarily.
 
user1804599
Well, maybe in Windows.
 
10:10 AM
Okay, reads maybe not, whatever.
 
then it should be ~10 ms using hdd, async might not be outrageous then.
 
This is not a noticeable delay.
Also why are you using Exists in the first place.
 
user1804599
To prevent exception thrown by Open!
 
Ell
Does boost asio do a sync local io?
 
@CatPlusPlus what is the better alternative?
 
10:13 AM
Just do the operation you actually want to do.
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson try { /* just use file here */ } catch (FileNotExistException) { … }.
 
Checking if file exists is rarely it.
"But exceptions are for exceptional situations and I predict the file might not exist HURR"
 
@not-rightfold ok that avoids race bs
 
user1804599
Verkligen!
 
also using exception as if is probably not an issue in this case
 
10:15 AM
Using exception is never an issue.
 
user1804599
It’s the only proper way to do this.
 
ok, I'm going with that but leaving the q :D
 
user1804599
open syscall returns -1 if file doesn't exist, and this is all atomic.
 
@not-rightfold :)
 
user1804599
10:16 AM
@CatPlusPlus LOL
 
user1804599
Pyduck.
 
10:29 AM
WTF, why won't Code::Blocks link these libraries into my project. I've provided the paths and names but g++ is still invoked without any -l options...
The fuck ... now it works.
 
hai folks
 
10:45 AM
hi there
 
hai thur
 
@not-rightfold I spent a couple of nights in a log-cabin this summer. Rented it for €0.
 
user1804599
I didn't.
 
My friend left ... leaving me all nice & sweet with you guys again
 
@not-rightfold you were all talk?
 

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