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12:37 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/11943208/… Non English speaker needs some summer love is my take on this
 
 
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5:03 AM
@mdsumner I have voted to reopen, and tried to edit the question a little bit.
 
 
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7:08 AM
me too
 
7:23 AM
@Spacedman it does still need a lot of love
primarily from the OP
I also voted to reopen, it is open again now
 
I suspect he got put off by being mod-slapped and will never been seen again
 
could be true
but the question was actually quite unreadable
his profile suggests he was on SO as little as 41 mins ago
so maybe he'll still return and salvage the question
 
7:42 AM
I don't think 'neural' is right...
 
I think just "network" is fine.
 
Isn't the answer to a GIS question not always: "Use GRASS" :)
 
the answer is anything but 'geom_map' :)
 
7:58 AM
@Spacedman If I write you a wrapper around geom_map called geomMap will that help? ;-P
 
The sp-programmers spent long enough wrapping mapping routines around base graphics thanks!
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Q: what are .rbin extension files in R

bioinformaticianI am new to R programming language. I am downloading some scientific data which are archived in zip. On unzipping, it gives out some files having .rbin extension which are actually binary files. While on googling the term ".rbin" i am unable to find the way to use them. Can anybody show me a guid...

grrr
 
are you frustrated with the question?
 
awful question
 
:), veeeery ambiguous
but awesome answer though ;)
 
Its not ambiguous, its just unhelpful.
I'd say .RData and .rda were conventions, rather than standards :)
 
8:06 AM
I agree
save.image uses .Rdata by default
changed standard to established convention
 
9:01 AM
My favourite file issue the old Fortran standard binary, with its extra mystery bytes
My favourite file issue *is* the old Fortran standard binary, with its extra mystery bytes
 
9:24 AM
that is a nice issue
very funny to see the output when you do not expect that extra byte
 
a perfectly sensible format... if you are writing to tape!
especially paper punch tape.
 
:), aaah punch cards
way after my time
 
My mentor still has some in his office drawers.
I guess if Skynet takes over, those might come handy once again.
 
would be nice, Skynet brought down using fortran 66 and punch cards
 
I've got a punch card machine - it was in an office i moved into.
 
9:38 AM
punch card em in the face ;)
 
10:33 AM
Looks like a lot of space to convey little information. stackoverflow.com/questions/11948926/…
 
10:51 AM
voted to close, with a nice comment.
 
Maybe we should let OP have more time to explain him or herself.
I suspect that bottom two figures are actually barcharts.
 
hence the nice comment
 
If we close the question, will OP be able to edit it?
 
11:32 AM
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Q: Notify close voters when a closed question gets edited

Tobias KienzlerAs mentioned in this discussion, a question closed because it was not well-phrased is currently very unlikely to be reopened after an edit clarifying the issues. Those who voted to close should at least be asked to reconsider and reopen the question after such an edit.

This question seems to suggest that it is possible
as they complain that closed questions that are edited
have a hard time attracting the attention in order to be reopened
 
11:49 AM
I think that shouldn't be a problem in our case. Quite a few of us with reopen powers hang here daily.
 
12:13 PM
Don't you hate it when you're trying to track an error after a simulation crashes after minutes of intense work, only to mistype traceback() and you lose the crash stack? :)
 
:), just a few minutes waiting
things get really nasty if the run takes a month ;)
 
Actually, in my case it's usually hours.
 
1:09 PM
There was a recent question asking how to make a boxplot from pre-computed statistics. I gave a base R solution, but the question was closed as a duplicate of this question which asks specifically for a geom_boxplot solution. I don't think base R should be considered a duplicate of a contributed package. Anyway, this one is a dupe:
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Q: Is it possible to plot a boxplot from previously-calculated statistics easily (in R?)

robintwI have a number of sets of summary statistics from various datasets: max, min, mean, median etc. I'd like to plot box-plots of these - or at least, similar plots to boxplots (I don't have UQ and LQ stats, although it may be possible to get those). I don't have the original data, so I can't just ...

 
1:54 PM
Its the international year of statistics in 2013 +/- 1 year
 
Rather "the int'l year of statistics on July 1, 2013, +/- 6 months", no?
as it isn't the year of stats in 2012 or 2014.
 
Its just an estimate...
Guess your estimator is better than mine...
+/- 3 months would have 98% of the density in 2013...
 
 
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3:12 PM
@GSee thank you for that edit. I'm a little bleary eyed this morning!
 
np
 
i read the laply as lapply like 4 times and couldn't figure out what you were talking about
 
@GavinSimpson: Does gummi support emacs keybindings? ;-) [ catching up with tweets now ]
 
 
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4:41 PM
@Andrie "None of my attempts to use the scales to control alpha were futile." I think you have one too many negations here. ;)
 
Strictly speaking, that sentence is probably correct. No attempts were futile. But no attempts were successful either!
 
Touche!
Only had you learned nothing would they be futile..
 
But thank you, I've edited the sentence.
@BrianDiggs Quite!
 
Well that's a new one. If I load XLConnect after opening my second odbc connection to an Oracle db, I get:
In .jinit() : Cannot set VM parameters, because VM is running already.
as a warning
and if I load XLConnect first, then when I try to open my second odbc connection, R hangs.
 
4:58 PM
@joran Java is evil.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel So I'm gathering.
 
5:33 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel Don't think so; has it's own tab autocomplete thing that I haven't fully looked into. BUt editor could do with some love.
@DirkEddelbuettel I mainly just like the fact that it auto compiles for when writing presentations and the PDF is shown in the application, side by side. Not sure I'd want to write lengthy docs with it yet etc.
 
5:58 PM
@GavinSimpson I just switched to zathura as the pdf viewer which is nice and bare, but there is of course no autobuilding in the background.
 
 
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7:24 PM
I hope you all don't mind if I use this space to complain bitterly about MS Access over the next few weeks.
 
@joran, only if your complaints are in the form of haiku
 
That would be a reasonable SO wide policy. You can only make negative and snarky comments if they are in some accepted form of verse. Sonnets for the most egregiously bad posts
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@joran Not at all. My boss is developing a submit form interface and a complex base coded in visual basic. I hear a lot of new swear words. :)
 
@Justin The only problem with that is that a sonnet wouldn't likely fit in a comment.
 
If politics and all news can be limited to twitter length, 600 characters should be plenty even for Shakespeare!
 
7:40 PM
@RomanLuštrik At the very least my work at the moment involves migrating a workflow out of Access so that it's, you know, usable. So at least I'm moving in the right direction...
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Have just installed a slightly older version from Fedora's repos; will give it a look.
 
@joran Where are you migrating to?
 
@RomanLuštrik R. Always R.
 
"And lo and behold, this book by De Vries and Meys is actually a success." Eddelbuettel (2012)
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@GavinSimpson :) I've been refreshing the page twice daily to see when it would appear. It's been ready for a bit.
 
7:51 PM
Now where are @Andrie and @JorisMeys to bask in their glory?
@DirkEddelbuettel Fair review of book. I was wondering how it would play out amongst the R cognoscenti, especially as it wasn't aimed at such people.
 
Interesting review.
 
I quite like the book. It's well written, organised in a good way, focuses on programming over just mucking around.
But "Dummies" still annoys me, and it had a number of irritating little errors. Just like every book does these days.
Too bad I can't complain to the series editor <hint> :)
 
I found a few as well, but nothing life threatening.
I'll publish my review shortly. I need it to settle. :) I wasn't so aggressive with the Dummies franchise. I have one other title on that subject, but only because I needed something that would help me prepare an Excel course for my fellow students at the time.
I could think of my own examples, or pay like 8 € for an Excel for Dummies that was on sale. :)
 
8:10 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel That's high praise indeed, thank you.
I've just read your review. Sorry about the mistakes - hopefully we get to fix these in a second edition.
@DirkEddelbuettel One thing I would have liked to do is to get a (electronic) preview copy of the book to some reviewers before publication. The deadline was madly aggressive, so none of that was possible. AFAIK, even @GavinSimpson didn't get to see the final version.
 
@Andrie Nope, I only saw individual chapters post writing but prior to revisions you and Joris made. Wiley were really cracking the whip too - not surprising a few errors crept in, though embarrassed I didn't see the GPL error at least.
 
The GPL interpretation is really tricky, and difficult to convey accurately in a few sentences.
When I wrote that paragraph, we had a heated discussion here about the interpretation.
On the whole, I'm very pleased. If @DirkEddelbuettel can find (only) half a dozen mistakes, and @RomanLuštrik can find (only) two mistakes, I think we have done well.
 
@Andrie I know, that stuff is tricky to get right without trotting out the entire text of the GPL.
 
@Andrie Agreed!!
 
(At least compared to the slating reviews of The R book by Crawley)
 
8:22 PM
@Andrie My benchmark too :-)
 
@Andrie You guys should rightly be proud of the book
 
Only know Uwe's though
 
I found the book to be fun to read and I'm already recommending it to people around me. The few mistakes are not even noticeable to a person sweating over R anyway.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel There's also a review of The R book on Amazon by our very own @DWin: amazon.com/review/R2D3OLVFSADFMK/…
@DWin says " Look elsewhere; Not worth the high price." of "The R Book"
 
@DirkEddelbuettel My verbal reviews to people who crow on about the R Book aren't very complementary
 
8:27 PM
To be a little bit fair to "The R Book" - I have a copy of it and found it immensely helpful to get started.
But looking back at it now, it's full of inaccuracies. Something purporting to be The R book should have done better.
@DirkEddelbuettel I'm pleased you like the emphasis on programming in "R for Dummies". That was a very deliberate design choice, since there are many books about statistics using R, but few on programming using R.
 
But may I ask why on Earth you ended with that for dummies series? I mean c'mon this about R. And then you (rightly !!) stress "programming with data" which is many things but not "for dummies"
still dumbfounded
 
It's because they commissioned the book. I wasn't going to turn down an offer to get rick quick!
 
@Andrie How's that working out for you? ;-)
 
I used to share your view of "for Dummies" until I bought a few. The dummies books tend to be well written and conveys far more information than one think is possible.
@GavinSimpson I don't know. We get royalty reports twice a year. But I sold three copies via my website and earned about a fiver in the process.
 
I'll stop by the bookstore on the way home and plan to purchase "stop complaining for dummies"
 
8:36 PM
:-)
@DirkEddelbuettel The point about Dummies is simply that it assumes no prior knowledge. The stupid brand name is at the same time a strength and a weakness. A weakness because it engenders exactly the type of response you have to it. A strength because it's one of the most profitable book brands in the world.
 
yes you may "make it up in volume"
 
8:50 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel And you'll never run out of customers.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Hah. Now I really know what that means.
@GavinSimpson I see you need a bit of extra rep. I've just done my bit to help...
 
9:19 PM
@Andrie Tah. I am resigned to slipping down the all time league table a notch of two. My nefarious plans to recover my status involve emigrating to Canada where I will be awake when many more R Questions are posted, whilst you're asleep in Blighty
 
What are the odds that we can persuade @jorismeys to join the chat room?
Hurrah, @JorisMeys is here!
 
me and the missus actually, enjoying the conversation
thanks @DirkEddelbuettel, I was utterly pleased to see that Andrie and I were able to convince you. In my books, there's no higher compliment possible
but I didn't really get to the "getting rich" part, unless there's something @Andrie didn't tell me :-)
 
9:40 PM
@Joris Thanks for the shoutout on G+ too. Job well done. I think the book will do well. And it's too late now to switch publishers. For your next book....
 
9:50 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel some other publisher could make us an offer we can't refuse... :)
 
Good night, all.
 
night @Andrie. I'm off too, night you all.
 
10:27 PM
This code looks awfully strange.
So many separate steps...
WE DON'T USE SUBQUERIES!
There...my first Access complaint haiku.
And I think I got the syllables wrong on the last line...drat.
This haiku rule is going to be hard.
 
Haiku are easy.
But sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
Best. Haiku. Evar. (not an Ulrich original)
 
That's going to be hard to beat.
@JoshuaUlrich You use Oracle DBs a fair bit, right? Can I bend your ear for a sec?
 
@joran I use them a little... let's hear it.
 
I'm used to being able to use other SQL DBs (sql server, sqlite) as basically a calculator
For instance, I could just do "select 5+5"
and get 10 back
but that sort of thing doesn't seem to work in Oracle
Is that just a difference between them, so is there some other way to do that in oracle?
 
10:43 PM
No idea
I rarely use DB interactively.
 
Aha! A bit more focused Googling got me the answer...I just do "from dual" in Oracle, which is apparently some special system table.
 
That sounds more like a feature in the Client than the backend
Well there you go
 
I use that feature to teach myself how various DB functions work in simple examples.
Makes figuring out how various string/date functions are going to work a lot easier for me
 
That's probably a lot better than my strategy of creating random tables.
j/k ;-)
 
@joran, thanks for the haiku effort. By the time you're done complaining, I'm sure you'll be an excellent haiku writer.
 
10:49 PM
Alright, I'm heading home. Talk with you later @joran
 
@JoshuaUlrich its funny because we have a legacy DB that someone built here with hundreds of "test tables" that they just changed the names of to start with an arbitrary number of zs so they sort last...
 
@JoshuaUlrich Goodnight!
I'm headed home too...! 'Nite everyone...
 
closing as too localized: stackoverflow.com/q/11961214
 

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