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1:07 AM
@Agent_A Yeah, a little bit ... mostly the immediate surroundings :x
 
 
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7:53 AM
Anyone here having experience with QT?
 
@Agent_A yeah, I've used in a couple projects
 
 
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nwp
9:00 AM
@Feeds Mouseover broke
 
@PeterT How much would you rate it out of 10 on a TERRIBLE SCALE
 
nwp
4/10. Terrible in many ways, but still usable.
 
Depends on what you want to use it for.
For an application framework like 3/10 (not terrible at all)
moc stuff is outdated, raw pointers all over the place, but feature wise it's pretty neat and can help get something up and running pretty alright.

If you want to use it as a library, like 7/10 (kind of bad). Annoying license, pretty huge binaries, minor version compatibility gets broken occasionally
 
@nwp yeah I'm learning it and finding some good resources to learn it except for documentation
 
nwp
What? Qt has a ton of documentation. It's mostly header files copied into an HTML page, but they also have explanations.
 
9:08 AM
if you don't like the qt documentation, then you're not going to like pretty much any C++ documentation
 
@PeterT usually i read geek for geeks article but it doesn't seem to have any of QT
 
nwp
I recommend reading about their custom memory management. I found it very unintuitive.
 
@nwp is that an advanced topic?
Cuz i just started learning QT Today
 
nwp
You could argue memory management is advanced, but it's also required basic knowledge to get along with Qt.
It's not obvious that new QPushButton(this); is not a leak.
There are also lots of other gotchas like not being able to put QOBJECT classes in a source file or to template them, but you'll get burned by that when you get to it.
I recommend you avoid Qt containers besides QString and maybe QStringList. They just haven't been updated to work with C++11.
But overall it's the only way to click a GUI together in C++ that I could find. GTKMM is not a viable alternative.
 
Can we use std functions in QT?
 
9:15 AM
They do have move semantics support stuff by now right? What else are they missing for "C++11" support?
 
nwp
@PeterT As far as I know QVector<std::unique_ptr> still doesn't compile because they don't implement move-semantics correctly.
@Agent_A Sure
 
oh, yeah. I don't know if they can deal with move-only types
but not all std containers can either afaik, so I don't think that's necessarily an issue with that
 
I'm thinking to use fstream in it
 
nwp
If you see SIGNAL/SLOT macros inside connect it's the old and in my opinion inferior way and you should avoid it. If you use ancient tutorials chances are you encounter that, but then again the official documentation also has that.
 
9:49 AM
@nwp the post didn't have an alt text at the time so the one box didn't pick it up
 
nwp
Huh. Mr. Munroe messed up.
 
 
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11:28 AM
@nwp GTKMM is just not maintained
which isn't surprising as the GTK folks... really really don't like C++
 
 
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2:31 PM
What's everybody's opinion on windows 11...
 
nwp
I thought it was never supposed to exist. But now I looked it up:
> At a time when the PC is playing a more central role in our lives, Windows 11 is designed to bring you closer to what you love.
Yeah, totally, people use PCs more and more. Nobody uses smartphones.
 
I didn't liked it's UI Much
 
nwp
Meh, who cares about UI.
I'm put off by every single application having a sign-in.
No, I will not log in to my browser.
Or my IDE.
 
I'm happy with my Ubuntu
 
nwp
It's bad enough that the poor security model of modern operating systems require having multiple user accounts.
 
3:07 PM
What ever happened to an OS that just ran programs and provided a solid secure base to do so?
Honestly if linux wasn't such a PITA Windows 11 would be my switching point
 
nwp
That has never been made. Any attempts to give it that solid secure base always turned out more trouble than it was worth.
 
which OS?
because linux has its own issues
 
nwp
That referred to "an OS that just ran programs and provided a solid secure base to do so".
 
NTKernel tries... potentially too hard
ah
 
I'm just really curious why they are making intel core pre 8th generation incomatible
even Apple is more generous with backwards compat than that
can't just be SecureBoot, they support it via external TPM, might be Spectre related, but that seems a bit rough
 
3:12 PM
@PeterT according to Journalists who have directly asked contacts... that's actually incorrect
the requirements are in the minimum system requirements
but in theory my father is now running a laptop that's unsupported (4600U)
if that's the case I can see a LOT of pushback against MS
what's also curious is the lack of x86 support
 
nwp
Why would there be pushback? Upgrading Windows is uncommon. Every new computer will be sold with Windows 11. Over time it'll replace the old versions as has always been the case.
 
unless MS has a solution for 16bit... they have an issue
 
probably hyper-V based stuff
 
@nwp security community, a lot of people don't buy computers at 3 year intervals... but rather closer to 10
 
just put it in a virtual environment essentially
 
3:16 PM
so leaving people out in the cold isn't wise
@PeterT virtualizing what? windows 95?
these are apps that right now work on windows 10
albeit x86 only
 
I mean, you gotta stop at some point
DOS images also don't run, so it stands to reason that it's time to sunset 16-bit stuff at some point
 
do you? if Truegreen is still using a 16bit app... and they are paying you a lot of money since that's a core line of business app... you often deal with it
@PeterT DOS images do run
just on x86 windows only
NTVDM is alive and well in x86 windows 10
 
well since they're paying so much money, they'll surely keep paying for win 10 security patches
 
or they'll just keep running win 10 and call MS' bluff
this has happened before
The canadian government did it
 
sure, but you have to admit, it is a bit silly when like IKEA smart lamps come with a 32-bit processor nowadays, but people expect Microsoft to make 16-bit stuff compatible with a new OS version
 
3:22 PM
They've done it for this long, and large insurance companies are cheap
why redevelop an app you don't have the source code for?
 
I don't think re-develop is necessary, like I said, put it some virtual applicance and isolate it from everything else as much as possible
 
you may not be able to
it may require desktop interaction
honestly MS just may tell them to use WineVDM
which emulates a 16bit CPU
DOS itself you can largely do with DOSBOX but that's hit or miss too... the devs won't support business focused pulls
they are focused almost exclusively on retrogaming
so it's that weird overlap of 16bit windows applications
 
nwp
The first time machine will be used to buy 16 bit processors from the past so the Canadian government doesn't need to update their tech.
 
The Canadians eventually did
they moved off of NT4 onto windows 7
that was only a few years ago
 

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