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12:22 AM
started using #defines to duplicate bitfield members across classes, RIP
 
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8:35 AM
So MSVC's STL is apparently open-source, does this mean they are going to dump it soon?
 
 
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10:17 AM
I assume they just convinced their manager by pointing broadly to apple and llvm and going "look apple does it too"
although I guess they needed to actually pay a hefty amount for it. Because if I remember right they actually licensed large parts of it from embarcadero
Btw. the over-alignment bug from yesterday was not actually GCCs fault, but an error in a library I was using.
 
 
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2:21 PM
I am surprised at your implementation of operator(), is it intentional not to use universal references and perfect forwarding for the arguments ? — Matthieu M. Dec 5 '13 at 13:47
@MatthieuM. very late response: yes, because otherwise we might move multiple times. — sehe 11 hours ago
This one is late even by my own standards
 
2:42 PM
@Mikhail Is this because "I cannot typedef bitfields"? Maybe it's time for something like
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A: Is there a portable alternative to C++ bitfields

CplusPuzzleWe have this in production code where we had to port MIPS code to x86-64 https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/54342/template-for-endianness-free-code-data-always-packed-as-big-endian Works well for us. It's basically a template without any storage, the template arguments specify the ...

 
 
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4:36 PM
@Mikhail I'm not sure what this means. STL's parent have an open marriage?
@Mikhail More seriously though, what gave you the idea that it's open source? As far as I know, they still license (large parts of) it from Dinkumware Ltd. Based on what I know of P.J. Plauger, I doubt he'd be very happy about his code being treated as open source.
 
licensed under Apache v2 , so I think that qualifies
 
 
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7:26 PM
@PeterT Did Microsoft really create their own C++ standard library implementation here? (To move away from Dinkumware?) @JerryCoffin do you know more?
 
@StackedCrooked sort of... they bought a license ages ago that allowed them to do pretty much whatever they wanted
 
I don't really understand, what kind of license, from whom?
I suppose with developers like Stephan (STL) they'd be able to create an STL implementation from scratch, given enough time and manpower.
 
Or you can just buy it?
 
> The MSVC team would like to thank Dinkumware and P.J. Plauger for making this possible.
Hm.
 
7:35 PM
dunno
 
I should read the article first though.
 
8:04 PM
Looking at things, it appears my guess about P.J. Plauger was just plain wrong. My apologies.
 
@JerryCoffin One day I might forgive you...
 
@JerryCoffin Money changes many minds
 
LSD also changes many minds.
Makes me wonder what LSD combined with money would be able to achieve.
 
@StackedCrooked ask the CIA?
 
I suppose I could ask them with an email.
Dear CIA, What can you achieve by combining money with LSD? Love, StackedCrooked.
 
8:11 PM
you could file a FOIA
 
@Mgetz I this case, I suspect it was more lack of money--pretty sure they'd simply saturated the market already. Microsoft is nearly the only vendor left with a proprietary compiler.
 
but you might need a US citizen to do it
@JerryCoffin I thought he sold to oracle and a few others?
Might have also been one of those things were MS controlled more of the codebase at this point than he did
 
@Mgetz Now that Oracle is pretty much out of the server business, I'm not sure they maintain their compiler any more. I guess they might--I'm just not sure.
 
so they just called it even after a payment
his website basically stops at c++17
and MS has been aggressive on 20
 
@Mgetz That could easily be. It probably also helps that P.J. Plauger is now in his mid-70's, so I guess you could hardly blame him for pretty much retiring.
 
8:15 PM
If I saw the ranges API and had to implement that from scratch I'd peace out too :P
 
That's my guess, is they de-facto bought it off of him either in return for a check or annuity
 
@Mgetz Yeah, probably.
 
9:02 PM
nice looks like PCIe resizable BAR support has more than one upside :P
 
9:37 PM
also when are we getting python itertools product, range support should make this relatively straightforward?
 
 
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11:03 PM
The earth shows us that roots are useful for many things.
I'm still gonna advocate for flat text files.
@sehe So you are taking a firm anti-anti-anti covid stance here?
 

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