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12:06 AM
Do meters have their own little battery backup (or something) to be able to share power data even if the power is down? Or does it treat lack of response as signaling lack of power, or something on that order?
 
12:22 AM
They typically have a super capacitor which allows them to send what they call a last gasp message announcing a loss of power.
 
@Edward Ah, makes sense.
I guess if I'd been thinking, I'd probably have guessed that. If memory serves, Water Pigeon did pretty much the same thing (shared office space with them for a while).
 
It is a harder problem for water and gas meters. They have to bring their own electricity!
 
12:38 AM
@Edward True--quite a few of the discussions I overheard from there centered on how to get power in all sorts of weird places. Their other big one was getting a cell signal out for meters that were (for example) in a third level sub-basement of a big building.
Cell signal didn't seem to be nearly as big of a deal though--for a big building, more traditional solutions were already competitive.
 
Yes, it’s a pretty tough RF environment. That and battery power are always pulling in opposite design directions.
 
1:11 AM
@Edward At work, one of our guys ran into that. He had a solution though (that worked beautifully, in the simulator). Set the transmitter to 1000 dBw. Just need to capture the energy from a few suns to power it... :-)
His eyes got pretty big when somebody pointed out to him how decibels work...
 
1:44 AM
@Edward I thought most of them are mechanical devices and need no electricity.
 
2:00 AM
@TelKitty Many are, but many power/water/gas providers are now moving toward remote sensing, so they can collect the data without sending somebody out to read them every month (or whatever). This reduces labor, improves accuracy, and gives them quicker notice if somebody's usage suddenly does something unusual (e.g., springs a leak).
 
 
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3:10 AM
Folks, what's the relationship between the Standard Template Library (STL) and the C++ Standard Library Containers ?
Are they one and the same thing?
 
@NickAlexeev The containers/iterators/algorithms in the standard library are based on the Standard Template Library. The STL itself was a library written by Alexander Stepanov, but abandoned decades ago (though bits and pieces of it are still used in some standard library implementations).
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks. I see. If I understood you correctly, the C++ Standard Library Containers is the spiritual successor of the good old STL.
 
@NickAlexeev You could make a fair argument that the relationship is a little closer than just spiritual successor, but it's at least in the right ballpark.
 
 
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3:29 PM
"these words are to be taken as those of a man frustrated" - I appreciate that. However, on this site you are supposedly solliciting help with the task at hand, not searching for sympathy or consolation. I think you should reduce the rant level of the question to improve it (and not waste too much time). — sehe 16 hours ago
I wrote as helpful an answer as possible (in the complete absence of OP code and question about it). Total silence from OP. Hmmm.
How do people spend so much time editing a rant and then forget about it completely?
 
3:59 PM
Oh. He woke up. And came out ranting on all cylinders, of course. Timely.
Why do I say "he". Well. Juuuuust a hunch really.
 

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