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1:15 AM
Assumptions.
 
 
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2:24 AM
Can't code and have had too much coffee to sleep. What do?
 
2:39 AM
Anyone know if there is a way to use MySQL connector API to get the maximum length of a column?
 
3:24 AM
I just changed a bunch of code from add(x, 1) to sub(x, -1). The ultimate premature optimization. — Mysticial 51 secs ago
 
3:55 AM
Grow your own antenna!
 
@sehe long time no sehe!
 
 
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6:48 AM
@LucDanton You too :( I fell out of the habit - never thought it would happen
 
 
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8:57 AM
Today: many communication platforms, few truly useful innovative ideas.
Despite a world full of money, dumb species are doomed.
 
 
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nwp
10:43 AM
I hate explicit so much. It keeps making me write bad code and never seems to prevent issues.
 
11:02 AM
@nwp trivial issues require explicit language to deal with
 
nwp
T get() {
    return thing; //conversion operator to T exist, but it's explicit, so it doesn't compile
}

T get() {
    return static_cast<T>(thing); //I hate this so much
}
Mostly happens with std::unique_ptr and conversion to bool.
thing.get() is a little bit less terrible, but not much. There is a conversion operator for exactly this situation. Use it.
 
 
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12:15 PM
I truly think you got that reversed. implicit should never have been implicit
 
nwp
I disagree. Types are useful. Making conversions explicit is like going back to assembler where you have to specify the type of the operands.
 
12:45 PM
but some implicit conversions should not happen
 
@nwp False dichotomy. Types are useful. Some implicit conversions lose some of the benefits, a line of defense.
And yeah, most of the times the reasoning goes like this "because of legacy C badness we can't have nice things" in the end. Sad story. But implicit is the bad guy, not explicit.
 
nwp
Well, I'm complaining specifically about explicit casts losing some of the benefits.
 
(also, in assembler you do not specify the types of the operands. in fact that's just in the instrucion, but the mnemonics are grouped as if they were, and sometimes the binary opcodes do have regular bit masks for similar tasks (but that's more like for register combinations in offset calculations)
 
nwp
Maybe you just can't specify it in a way so it does the right thing in every context, but explicit has been exclusively bad for me.
 
I'm absolutely sure you are wrong in that assessment.
The standard has been making things explicit since c++03 and for good reason. Had they NOT, you would probably still be in the other camp.
It's not the problems that you see the most that you meet the most.
 
 
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2:10 PM
note to self, don't comment in a thread on hacker news about AMD or Intel... the fanbois are fierce
 
Gotta feel kind of bad for nation-state hackers who spend years implanting and cultivating some hardware exploit, only to discover the entire target database is already exposed to anyone with a web browser.
4
 
 
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4:10 PM
@Mgetz which one?
 
@Mgetz Can't see where you got flamed.
 
I didn't post it but I did get random downvotes
on my specific comment
 
4:30 PM
What is the "2C" thing?
 
@Mikhail in regards too?
 
64 cores but 128 with simultaneous multithreading. And in a 2C configuration, you get 256 threads. That is a beautiful thing.
 
@Mysticial basically I made a qualified comment that the 64core part was probably going to get out performed by the 48 and 24 core due to bandwidth and power
@Mikhail two chip
 
Is that another way of saying two socket?
 
yes
 
4:41 PM
In the future they will finally stack chips
 
either way, keeping 128 cores fed is going to suuuuck
 
Yeah, that's around where I get amdahl limited by python overhead. Fucking IPC over pickle.
Or as we should start saying AMD-ahl limited
 
@Mikhail I thought Python scaling was exec
given that python threads suck last I saw
 
Its pretty terrible, you get wacky lifetime problem (like a crashed thread keeps the parent process from closing, effectively keeping the program running forever in a crashed state) and performance problems due to deep copying.
So, deploy the python analysis package on a 72 core machine. One of the cores goes down due to Linux having a shitty memory allocator. Python child process hangs there. Performance was terrible compared to C++. Same code didn't suffer from memory fragmentation on a high core count Windows box, that I tested it on. Making for a Nasty(TM) surprise.
 
@Mgetz haha I see it
 
4:56 PM
@Mysticial yeah I underestimated the clocks... whoopie
apparently that and saying that the part was specialist warrant downvotes
I suspect they will sell tons of the 48 core part
but I suspect that 64core part is going to be a bit rarer
 
@Mgetz I'd guess it'll probably be quite rare at first, but availability would improve quite a bit as the process settles in.
 
@JerryCoffin I doubt it, supplying the part with enough work to do will be problematic
 
5:20 PM
That feel when when you push a work item onto a producer consumer queue, and realize the work items has a std::function continuation that needs to be ran.
I signed up human centipede, not inception
 
@Mgetz That Intel forum troll keeps getting fed. :)
 
@Mysticial really... lol
 
@Mgetz Once things have settled in, I doubt it. The whole point of using chiplets is to improve yield. I'm not sure of the exact area of chiplet they're using, but I'd guess it's small enough that they can plan on pretty good yields.
 
@JerryCoffin not concerned about that? I'm concerned about bandwidth to ram
8 channel memory is stupid narrow for 64 cores
 
5:56 PM
@Mgetz Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I thought the discussion was purely about availability of parts. But yeah, Ryzen's have been pretty memory starved since the beginning, and this won't help that at all.
 
@JerryCoffin Zen2 actually does a lot for that, particularly supporting faster default memory speeds and I expect EPYC will too
but 3200 memory isn't going to make up for 8 channels
when it realistically needs a minimum of 16-32 channels
 
@Mgetz Oddly, given that they're using an I/O chiplet, it might not even be terribly hard for them to plop down a second one, and have twice as many channels--except that they'd need a new socket (among other things).
 
@JerryCoffin it would be for the odd reason of the socket. Electrically that would mean they would need a new socket to support that
They could probably support 16 DIMMs easy, but they need 16 channels and that requires twice as many traces
 
6:15 PM
intel's crapping bricks
 
lol yeah
 
6:59 PM
@Mgetz Not to mention moar power! :-)
 
@JerryCoffin you can power four ddR4 dimms on a single power stage
 
7:12 PM
in Discussion between melpomene and LGSon, 22 secs ago, by I wrestled a bear once.
your stupidity is very offensive to me.
^^ nice!
 
Turn up the hate
 
plz use an emoji
 
in Discussion between melpomene and LGSon, 17 secs ago, by Jean-François Fabre
Hey is it worth fighting around a -5 question about basic javascript?
^^ Yes, it absolutely is!
 
As long as you get something out of it it's worth it
 
7:34 PM
I asked a question some time ago about lots of small parallel computations with synchronization in between. I was interested in wether it can be done or not and how to do it. I have not received a definite answer but some good hints. I now did some more testing and posted my results. Maybe someone may find that interesting: stackoverflow.com/questions/56637940/…
 
@Mgetz You know I never let reality get in the way of humor--or even a lame attempt at humor.
 
@JerryCoffin fair, I follow a youtube channel where that is literally a topic though
so I've started to pay attention to those sorts of things
 
@Mgetz Fundamentally the basic idea is undoubtedly correct though: the memory controllers are only a tiny percentage of the CPU's overall power consumption, and adding more probably makes almost no noticeable difference.
 
@JerryCoffin tiny, the vDDR is usually it's own rail though and on multi layout boards like EPYC you're usually looking at discrete rails for each side
so vDDR1 and vDDR2
in most cases on those boards you're probably looking at a 2 stage VRM just to handle droop more carefully
 

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