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12:21 AM
@Rick 47 is neat.
 
 
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2:21 AM
@CaptainGiraffe, I'm going to beat 30ms. Come hell or high water it's going to happen
 
3:18 AM
Use a gpu, it wins out of the box with no optimization, or coding, on a laptop.
 
4:09 AM
i have c++ question
how can i execute a bash script and get its output in cpp program ?
 
If you are not what most others are doing, there are two possibilities: you are an ignorant or stupid person, or you are a genius. But you are much more likely to be the former than the latter.
 
4:36 AM
You know what love about physics? It's because it's fair. We are all equals in front of physical laws. Human laws may or may not be fair, but no matter how much resources you have, you can not defy laws of physics.
 
4:56 AM
Have you considered Google the question?
 
 
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6:13 AM
Super super obese? Hyper obese? I want to squeeze whoever set down such definitions a little.
 
6:57 AM
the fact that the chart even needs to go that high is bad
 
7:11 AM
@Mikhail but I feel like that's cheating
 
I need to figure out how to style my research as a competition
 
7:52 AM
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. Competition is meaningless unless you know exactly where to position yourself to profit the most.
 
 
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4:40 PM
@Puppy True, but probably not entirely for the reasons most people would immediately consider. My weight is right on the border between "overweight" and "obese", so when I get a check up, I ask the doctor whether I should lose weight. They measure body fat percentage, stress test, etc. every time tell me that if I want to lose weight I can, but there's no real evidence to say it's likely to do me any real good. BMI is simply a poor guideline.
 
This is awesome. A professor who found one of the fastest formulas for a semi-famous constant wrote to me today saying he found an even faster one.
 
@Mysticial That is pretty cool.
 
And he's right.
 
@Mysticial Are we allowed to ask which constant?
 
@JerryCoffin Catalan's Constant
He hasn't published the paper yet. It's just draft that he sent me.
Usually the pure mathematicians can't measure speed properly because they don't have the engineering background to do the right analysis. So to counter that, I wrote an entire blog on my website detailing how to do the speed analysis.
And it seems that he read it - at least partially.
 
4:46 PM
@Mysticial Imagine that. A professor who's still capable of learning! :-)
 
The new formula will be the 2nd fastest formula. Which means it's gonna get used for future records unless something else comes in with something even better.
 
What's up with the 1st fastest
 
@milleniumbug They're all here: numberworld.org/y-cruncher/internals/…
"Catalan - Pilehrood (2010-short)" is the fastest.
Guillera is the professor who originally had the 3rd fastest formula. Now his new one is #2. But it's not on the page yet.
I'm kinda waiting for him to publish it.
 
Ah, so it's used too.
 
Being #3 means won't get used for world record attempts.
But I do have native implementations for all 5 on that list.
I threw together a custom formula implementation for his new formula this morning and confirmed:
1. The formula works.
2. The formula is as fast as the analysis predicted it to be.
 
4:53 PM
@Mysticial Hmm..does sound somewhat familiar. Is that the one that nobody's quite sure whether it's rational or not?
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. Not proven irrational.
 
 
@JerryCoffin It's kind of a big deal here. I've definitely observed a disconnect between the mathematicians coming up with these amazing formulas and the software/HPC people implementing them.
 
@Mysticial That's almost all I know about it, though I heard about it from my sister (a statistician), so I can guess it's probably used in computing probabilities, or something similar (though it's hard to be sure--Marie's interested in quite a bit well outside of statistics as well.
 
The way it had traditionally worked is that a programmer would find a bunch of formulas online or in publications, try them all out, and see what's the fastest.
The mathematicians themselves churn out formulas with either no (or incorrect) knowledge of whether the formulas are fast.
 
5:00 PM
@Mysticial Doesn't work so well in HPC world, where it can takes months or years to get from a working implementation to one that actually works well.
 
So I've seen a lot of papers where the authors says they found a "fast" formula that converges very quickly, but it's not actually fast because of other overheads.
So my goal of writing that blog is to basically say, "here's what's important from a speed perspective" in a manner that's understandable to pure mathematicians with no CS background.
So that if their goal is to find a fast formula, they now know what to look for.
 
I might be wrong about this, but from my understanding, some algorithms might be faster than others depending on the materials used inside the CPU. Such that some cpus can handle particular workloads better than others.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. A lot of it becomes copy-paste though. And I've largely eliminated that with the custom formula feature.
So within 30 min. of reading his email, I was able to get a fully working implementation that could be used to compute trillions of digits.
All I had to do was write the formula file for it.
@Rick Yes, and no. Most formulas for the same constant tend to be similar. So they all boil down to the same basic operations. There are exceptions though.
Btw, here's that blog if anybody is at all interested: numberworld.org/y-cruncher/internals/…
 
@Mysticial is amortized analysis a good way of gauging real world performance.
 
ARRRG on a call with someone that's literally going "I'm understanding what you're saying, I agree, but I'll be doing it the legacy way"
 
5:15 PM
@Rick In this case, yes.
 
@Mgetz Well...sometimes that's justifiable... Must be at least .001% of the time...
 
5:33 PM
@JerryCoffin no this is just unwillingness to be agile
at all
 
5:57 PM
@Mgetz Maybe it's just because I dislike terms like "agile", but this sort of problem existed (and was a problem) back when "agile" was still associated with sports, and maybe Dungeons and Dragons, but not company management...
 
@JerryCoffin I'm a bit of an agile purist because I've seen it actually work. I despise companies that give lip service and then demand project plans instead of backlogs and visions
 
6:25 PM
is it ethical to work for a company that is willing to pay really well and let you work on whatever you want, but whose business you find repugnant?
 
@Rick plenty of people work for facebook
 
@Mgetz that's true, but this has a lot of social stigmas associated with it.
 
@Rick facebook doesn't?
 
@Mgetz you have to have some intelligence to know how bad facebook is.
 
What kind of "repugnant" are you talking about?
1. FB privacy?
2. Adult industry?
3. Political affiliation?
4. Patent troll?
The list goes on and on.
 
6:31 PM
There was a company who contacted, they said they were an online video company, they made it seem like video conferencing or some BtoB stuff. Then on the phone the tells me we are in the Adult Industry. As I was about to say no thanks, he mentioned the salary and the tech
this should be a straight up no right?
 
@Rick That's up to you, adult industry pays well
they actually are where a lot of innovation happens
 
@Mgetz The funny part is that this is true. but would you do it?
 
That's really up to you. Is the company known for the adult industry? Or is the adult industry just one of many customers?
 
if it was interesting enough yes, most of the Adult industry usually hides this behind holding companies
they usually tell candidates so they candidate isn't surprised later
very few people want pornhub on their resume
 
Basically the point here is if you were to leave and someone else was looking at your resume, would they see the connection and immediately throw you out?
 
6:35 PM
but Coloco innovations? that's fine
 
@Mysticial I have no idea
 
if you google the company what do you find?
and do you care about what you'd be doing?
 
let me do that one sec
 
if you have moral or ethical objections don't do it
 
@Mgetz I would say it's definitely in their best interest to do that. Otherwise their turnover would be pretty high.
 
6:38 PM
@Mysticial I had a friend that worked for one, they actually didn't just supply their parent company, they actually sold it B2B to respectable businesses
so while they were wholly owned.. it wasn't actually all just Adult industry
 
@Mgetz except the site nothing comes up. The name appears but nothing other than that.
 
@Rick that's more concerning, you should at least find business registration etc.
check if you can't find that otherwise... I'd avoid it
 
@Mgetz yeah that stuff appears
 
@Rick check glassdoor
 
@Mgetz shows up, shows company size and numb of employees but no reviews
 
6:43 PM
Linkedin?
 
they have a facebook and linkedin page
 
 
@Mgetz Asking most companies to have a vision is utterly futile.
 
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Q: What are the career risks of taking a job related to adult entertainment?

Hew WolffI'm looking for a job and I have an offer I am considering. The company seems like a nice place to work, I like the team, I can make a contribution and also learn something. The unusual feature is that the company's software product primarily supports an adult entertainment web site. I have no ...

@JerryCoffin If I told you my current employer you'd need an ER visit from busting a kidney from laughing so hard
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Q: Got a job offer in the adult industry. How do I know if the company behaves ethically?

guestguestguestI have just got a job offer to join a software development team who are creating a webcams site. I am in need of a job right now, however, even though I have an open mind about such things, I do not want in any way to be involved and to help people to earn money from other people against their wi...

 
I'm not going to follow up. I am the kind of person that would get haunted by something like that down the line.
 
6:57 PM
@Rick ok that's why they told you
 
@Mgetz yeah it was the first thing he mentioned, he was upfront.
 
nobody will think less of you, stop worrying
Well Jerry will, but he thinks less of everybody ;p
 
@Mgetz I don't care what others think of me. I just I don't want to add to anyone else's misery and I feel that is a possibility with them.
 
@Rick check the second link I posted
if you care
 
7:22 PM
@Mgetz I read it, but something about the industry seems exploitative, and I might be wrong but the energy just thinking about it is not worth it when I really I just want to build stuff, work on big data and hard problems in C++.
 
@Mgetz How dare you accuse me of thinking less? I'm the most thoughtful person I know!
 
@Rick That's up to you, it can be, it can also be very enabling. It's a VERY complex topic that is very very situational
 
@Mgetz I hate how you are making me second guess my thought process. @JerryCoffin challenge him!!!
 
@Rick don't hate, consider. Do what feels right for you.
 
7:38 PM
what feels right to me is complaining about how C won't let you use a none assignment turnary as an if statement while c++ will
That's the real crime here.
The other crime is they just only now introduced bool into C
 
@Rick why are you using C? and bool has been part of C since c99
 
@Mgetz someone sent me an algorithm in C
 
8:02 PM
Convert it to c++ by changing the compile flags, mostly
Also working on big data is python and a differnet job called a data analysist
Popular with phds who think they can code but can't. Also pays less.
 
@Rick I don't see room for much controversy here. You're clearly uncomfortable with it. Unemployment rate in the US is well under 4%, and for programmers, it's something like 1% (or maybe even lower). In short, there are lots of fish in the sea, so passing on this one isn't going to mean you starve, or anything like that.
 
8:28 PM
Help people to earn money from other people against their will
And other ways to characterize working for Google
 
@Mikhail Will (Wheaton) is repugnant, so anything that's against him is permissible.
 
What did he do, vote Republican or something?
 
@Mikhail he played Wesley Crusher on Star Trek, and for this he shall never be forgiven.
 
8:59 PM
Will Wheaton was the annoying kid on TNG. he was the Jar Jar Binks of TNG
 
@Rick Slightly less annoying slightly more jesus
 
@Mgetz he caused more problems than he solved.
 
@Rick still technically less annoying than Jar Jar
also still a jesus allegory
 
9:16 PM
@Mgetz they turned him into Jesus so they could throw him out the airlock.
 
9:35 PM
@Mikhail I don't want to be data analysis as much as I just want to write the data structures that govern large data sets.
 
10:02 PM
This meeting has been going on for 5 hours. If I stand up and yell "I have a bomb" do you think they will let me leave?
 
@Mikhail "We haven't even told you want the circuit is supposed to do yet, and you claim you already have a Bill Of Materials?" You're obviously incompetent. You're fired!
 
11:05 PM
@Mikhail instead, tell them that you will blow their bagpipes. Sounds more friendly.
 
I was recently working a lot with the Java FX framework and that deploys a strong concept of "Property Bindings" - bascially a concept of making even primitive datatypes "observable" and binding other "primitive values" to them. In C / C++ this would basically mean using the pointer to e.g. an int of a different object as a way to store ones values or the option to create ones own data storage when some object should represent some kind of "root" of the hierarchy.

I have not read up on commentary about this way to handle data - I can see people consider it as a huge antipattern but because
The 2nd paragraph is based on a personal paranoia that people in the C community might consider basically everything Java does as somehow harmfull ... #JavaConsideredHarmful
 
11:27 PM
@JerryCoffin I have some HIV infected cells in the incubator, but its going to be hard to infect seven people without at least one of them noticing.
I also got out the meeting. How do I get muh six hours back?
 

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