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12:56 AM
@TelautonomousKitty highschool doesn't tend to teach critical thinking
 
exactly what I meant
this tactic has been used by many governments throughout the human history
ignorant mass can be easily brainwashed and controlled
deprive people of individual thinking
 
that's more a problem of the general eduction though, then again underpaid workers aren't going to do better than just the bare minimum they need to do
 
 
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The IT Crowd is a British sitcom by Channel 4, written by Graham Linehan, produced by Ash Atalla and starring Chris O'Dowd, Richard Ayoade, Katherine Parkinson, and Matt Berry. Set in the offices of the fictional Reynholm Industries, the show revolves around the three staff members of its IT department: a geeky genius named Maurice Moss (Ayoade), the work-shy Roy Trenneman (O'Dowd), and Jen Barber (Parkinson), the department head/relationship manager, who knows nothing about IT. The show also focuses on the bosses of Reynholm Industries: Denholm Reynholm (Chris Morris) and later, his son Douglas...
 
 
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7:16 AM
Hello, World?
 
 
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9:10 AM
> The internet did for pop application development what the radio did for pop music. To get me into web development is like throwing away a thrash or progressive metal career to write pop songs.
lol
 
 
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11:12 AM
Hi my fellow sleep deprived gentlemen
And genderfluids
 
11:26 AM
@RickAstley discriminating against females are you?
 
@ratchetfreak There is no such thing as a sleep deprived female
Only when a child is involved
 
 
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2:13 PM
it's weird using a 7 inch monitor as display (for raspberry pi)
 
2:25 PM
still having problem setting up wifi through command line
 
 
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8:23 PM
damn, why does Steam gifting mandate that you enter both a message and a signature?
why not just make those fields optional
 
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Q: Historic-geographic spread and variations of the children's rhyme "My friend Billy had a 10-foot willy"

The EarthAround the turn of the 1970s a rhyme was sung by small children in southern England: My friend Billy had a 10-foot willy. He showed it to the girl next door (or: He put it through the neighbour's door). She thought it was a snake, Hit it with a rake, And now it's only four foot foor What was i...

Funny. With weird typos. Or so I think.
 
 
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10:57 PM
@RobertTroipartrois I'm alive. Hope all is well
Anyone played around with Godot? I checked it out
It does all its own platform abstraction, no SDL or GLFW
 
11:35 PM
well let's see
they have an Object base class
time for these guys to go back to school
 
depends on what that object does TBH
 
depends on what the school teaches TBH
 
Qt for example has a specific purpose with its own QObject class
 
yeah
apparently, they have the purpose of being terrible
 
it's an integral part of their event-based threading model and will handle parent-child ownership based garbage management
 
11:39 PM
yes, that's a good part of what makes it terrible
the threading and ownership are totally fucked up and their events could take a good lesson or thirty from boost::signals2 in terms of not being horrifically intrusive, etc
 
I think its fine, I actually like the threading restrictions, else you'd need mutexes everywhere
 
I won't say it's perfect (for one because very few people actually understand how it all fits together) but it's not as bad as it could be
 
Bigger problem is the meta compilation system which CopperSpice seems to address...
 
@Mikhail You really don't need mutexes everywhere, you just need to have some kind of actual design instead of just "Throw threads at all the mutable data and walk away"
 
better compile time inspection can also fix the meta compilation and/or screw up compile times
@Puppy that's more the fault of the people not understanding the threading model's goal
 
11:42 PM
@ratchetfreak How much worse can it get? "It could be worse, it's just that basically nobody understands it and it implements a bunch of terrible interfaces"
 
javax.swing
 
I don't understand the criticism of Qt's signal library from a user facing perspective. Internally there is a lot of casting magic, meta compilation which is bad - and one of the things the CopperSpice people tried to fix - but from a user perspective I don't know whats wrong with it.
Idk, maybe that Qt performs deep copies?
 
well, compare it to boost::signals2 which is far superior
 
in a previous version you had to connect using macros instead of function pointers or lambdas
 
it's not intrusive, it's strongly typed, you don't need random global functions for every connection
 
11:46 PM
@Puppy Could you?
 
the macros converted to string based connections
@Mikhail it uses copy on write to get around most of that
 
@ratchetfreak No, if you pass a const std::vector<>& its going to be deep copied
 
QVector doesn't get deep copied
(which is what I meant with copy on write)
 
@ratchetfreak embeddeduse.com/2013/06/29/… Look at conclusions, any queued connection is deep copied.
 
another excellent example of how Qt is full of shit
"We totally fucked up our signals semantics! To fix, simply replace the Standard vector with our own, crappier vector."
 
11:48 PM
@Puppy you're full of shit :-)
 
oh no, you just lied.
according to that page, they only copy when it's actually necessary.
 
Its not necessary across thread boundaries though, you could have a mutex etc protecting your data.
 
wat.
firstly, the fact that you could is not enough, how the effervescent fuck would they know?
secondly, there's a slightly bigger problem of the original value going out of scope.
 
So in my case deep copying 40 megabyte images is a bigger performance problem
 
that's why copy on write is on all of their container classes
 
11:52 PM
er, no.
if your Image object performs deep copies in the copy constructor, and you pass around Image objects everywhere, you've done it wrong.
 
My dream was to do that, but obviously I can't
 
use a shared_ptr<Image> or a relative since you actually want to share the data.
and secondly
copy-on-write is well-known to be a pessimization these days
"fixing" your broken threading semantics by introducing COW is just compounding bad decisions
if the user doesn't want a deep copy, they can just use a shared_ptr.
 
Idk, COW is pretty popular in image processing libraries like OpenCV
 
intrusively changing the core container semantics for one particular use case which is broken anyway and the user could fix without it easily is silly
 
yeah the branch on every write access plus the atomic refcounts isn't going to help performance
 
11:55 PM
@Mikhail That's because those people are not programmers and don't make smart programmer decisions.
 
@Puppy They are pretty successful though
 
they're algorithm designers more appropriately
 
problem is that Qt kinda evolved to make life easier for the dumb users that just want things to work™
 
@Mikhail So what?
you can be successful whilst totally fucking things up
 
it's all about PR
 
11:56 PM
being successful doesn't mean you did a good job or even have a quality product overall
let alone in any specific, given detail
e.g. OpenCV could be successful just because there's essentially no competition (see Windows)
 
@Puppy Or that it makes it easy to write moderately well performing code? Or that when you want GPU support you get it, in most libraries for free?
 
might be
 
Anyways, the CopperSpice guys have a better feel for the issues with Qt, but its mostly meta compilation fucking the library up
 
besides
 

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