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12:02 AM
lol
 
@sehe Fire is always exciting the first time you see it. I've blown my fair share of stuff up. (For anyone listening in, this was all done while I was under 10 years of age).
 
I don't see anyone claiming they find it exciting.
And for those listening in, some years of research and vetting went into that sort algorithm.
It's just nice and we support the awesomeness of the achievement. You don't need to be a sorting fetishist to appreciate this.
 
@sehe I fail to find the new stuff in there.
 
35 mins ago, by Ell
maybe you should read the paper
(inb4 I have)
 
posted 37 minutes ago
 
12:13 AM
If you want to "high-level" it as "it's a quicksort with more specific intro-sort like tweaks" that doesn't quite make it the same/old hat/irrelevant or what not. Just something /you/ wouldn't want to spend that time on.
 
maybe the bricks are old, maybe the building is novel
 
My apologies, this is not the kind of imprint I'd like my messages like to confer.
 
@Borgleader I swear I'm the one with the shittiest video cards.
 
I object to code that does not acknowledge their history.
 
I twisted my back while doing the wildness hike last week
 
12:22 AM
@Mysticial No need for a GPU when you make your HEVT pump out the pixels. ;)
 
@MarkGarcia Why not do references like regular people.
 
if you couldn’t read that paragraph, why would you have been able to read it anywhere else?
 
@LucDanton Excellent point. I'm damaged beyond repair for a certain format.
 
@MarkGarcia Fuck I brainfarted. *HEDT
 
that's where all the bad smelling ideas came from I gather ...
>_<
 
12:32 AM
I got this impression long ago. But now you admit it you're a gatherer of farts.
 
@Telkitty I promise that someone would find them useful, no matter how smelly they are.
 
natural gas is a resource
 
@Mysticial Would be a waste of money in your case. We have different interests is all. My current card is actually fairly old (GTX 670)
 
@sehe Damn, I should move away from LastPass.
 
Actually I started using it in addition to keepass. Strictly for family things/kids accounts
Of course I immediately reset the password and disabled the plugin yesterday when it was first announced.
 
12:37 AM
Moving to a paid service like 1password could be better. In any way, I'm sure migration would be a bitch.
 
I don't think it is.
 
Yeah. Seriously looking into KeePass.
 
I've always used that. It's okay. Probably more convenient on USB or even with a dongle (Yubikey? never tried)
 
I often use online sync because of mobile. It's doable as far as I can see.
 
@MarkGarcia There is a mobile app that lets you keep it syncronized with multiple services
 
12:48 AM
Well, now I'm sad, kinda heartbroken.
The guys I'm coding cuda cores with asked if INSIGHT was a good tool.
Fortunately I'm on vacation.
 
@Shoe Yeah, I want to try it. LastPass for Android actually works very well for me. Even integrates with Firefox. It's the desktop versions that's really horrible.
 
@LucDanton rofl
mais c'est pour le poisson d'avril ?
 
maintenant que tu le mentionnes c’est bizarre
 
Ben c'est un peu bizarre d'introduire ça 2 semaines avant mais bon vOv
 
1:50 AM
wassup
...nothing much apparently :V
 
2:09 AM
hey cicada
What's chirpin'
 
awful weather
 
aw that sucks
 
also too lazy to do anything productive
I want to slip into a coma until 7 pm
 
definitely been there
 
also trying to implement a base64 encoder/decoder using AVX only
 
2:13 AM
actually my last hour of work today was unproductive because I got caught in a conversation with a coworker that changed halfway through from an update on what I was doing to how stupid the road system is here
 
lol
"look at this memory allocation you're doing here and by the way the state of the roads is horrendous"
 
it's only had 250 years to develop stupidity but boy has it been taking that as a challenge
heh
 
well we're getting a pretty constant stream of stupidity lately
and one of steady quality, even
 
wow
it takes dedication to put out a stream of consistently terrible decisions
real effort
 
I was talking about a certain president
 
2:18 AM
you can take no chances, you have to figure out the best, second best and all non-terrible decisions and then do exactly the opposite of all of them
@SpongyFruitcake and I'm pretty sure someone there is dedicating real time to figuring out how to fuck everything up royally
 
on the bright side it's quite laudable that they are so consistently inconsistent
 
pretty sure it's not the gilded goose himself
 
I've personally edited all my programs to use /dev/donaldtrump instead of /dev/urandom
 
perhaps one of his friends that enjoy a good goose-style walk
I bet that has the best random numbers
definitely the best. Temendous. Great. Fantastic. Huge, even.
 
the randomest
 
2:22 AM
so much better than that stupid urandom. Idiots and losers, every one
rand, though. I hear rand is doing good work, and I hear it's getting noticed more and more
real good philosophy that rand. For winners. And I'm a winner.
 
lol
Well if you were following french politics you'd be just as despaired, probably
corruption scandal over corruption scandal
e v e r y t h i n g i s f i n e
example from today:
 
Isn't that why Marine Le Pen is doing so well?
 
> Le ministre de l’Intérieur a dû quitter son poste mardi, au lendemain des révélations sur les emplois à répétition de ses filles comme collaboratrices parlementaires lorsqu’il était député.
Interior minister resigns the next day after beign revealed that he employed his daughters (24 times) as assistants
 
jesus
 
@jaggedSpire yeah, although she's also in some scandals
 
2:32 AM
fun times
 
but the main candidate that was given as the would-be winner is neckdeep in scandals
it's a complete and total mess
rofl that interior minister employed his daughters as assistants since age 15
what the fuck can a 15 yo teen do as a parliamentary assistant
as I was saying earlier
the problem with corrupt people at the top is that their example makes everyone under them become corrupt
 
huh, I go check out a creationism subreddit and there’s an ad for a famous Mormon-sceptical document. well played
 
well I just discovered that Cracked has been having a field day with America's Trumpster fire
 
@jaggedSpire yeah pretty good articles
 
> Trumpster fire
 
2:44 AM
it occurred to me the other day in a stroke of brilliance
I probably read it somewhere and only think I came up with it
 
100% original did not steal
 
absolutely
much like Sonic OCs
 
help I'm slowly starting to use { ... } for constructors
 
come to the braces side, we have good teeth
 
I err a lot on this. For a while I 'settled' on using braces except for copy/moves but now it’s all braces
 
2:50 AM
I had a brief moment of soul searching where I used braces only when I wanted initializer lists and parens otherwise
 
well that’s stupid
 
I do braces unless I want a non initializer list constructor for a type with one
 
c++ is dumb and broken
 
related: I turned on -Wold-cast recently. I’m not sure why I didn’t have it earlier, but now it’s all better
never mind it doesn’t care about functional casts it’s pretty much the worst thing ever
 
time to implement -Wfunction-style-cast
 
2:59 AM
~C++~
 
3:27 AM
I saw '10L', I misread it as LOL
 
> We sent a space station into space but we dont have the ability to build a space elevator? What?
 
@LucDanton if humans evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys
 
@jaggedSpire There aren't. Monkeys are really a product of our collective subconscious racial memory.
 
holy shit that was hilarious
A+
 
3:44 AM
I still enjoy asking people "aren't you afraid that the Sun will expand and destroy the Earth?" to which they usually respond with "nah, I'll be long dead by then", and I look at them in the eye "well, yes".
The human paradox of both fearing death yet accepting it.
 
Looks like the new BIOS update fixes the FLOPs crash.
 
Cool!
Now find another bug. :p
 
@Mysticial You made it to Hacker News btw.
 
good review obviously as expected ...
 
@SpongyFruitcake Yeah, I noticed earlier today.
 
4:00 AM
Hi everyone good morning.
your local Jesus.
 
New BIOS still won't let me post with memory at 2666 MHz. :(
 
@Mysticial How programmer know when he create multi thread application that each thread using same resource or not?
@Mysticial How programmer know when he create multi thread application that each thread using same resource or not?
 
@Mysticial How programmer know when he create multi thread application that each thread using same resource or not?
 
I don't know. I've never done threaded programming. It's terrifying to even thing about it.
 
@Mysticial I hate too. But have demand.
 
4:12 AM
@Mysticial Wait, do you have this guy plonked
 
why wouldn't he
 
lol
 
@SpongyFruitcake How programmer know when he create multi thread application that each thread using same resource or not?
 
@jaggedSpire How would I know I'm not Pysticial
 
question is funny. :(
 
4:15 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Mysticial is indeed the only one magicial enough to know the answer to such a mystericial question
 
sorry to ask really i take it back. Because i already know the answer. answer is no answer.
 
@jaggedSpire And then Mysticial looked down on humans from his AVX512 cloud and whispered softly: "it's actually 3.15".
 
@AlexCerry it's more that you wander in, ask questions without really participating, and just now pinged someone twice despite them not engaging you at all
It's very vampiric
 
@jaggedSpire participate in what?
 
4:18 AM
The room.
 
@jaggedSpire participate and do what?
 
You're expected to participate in the community here beyond demanding answers to questions.
as specified in the rules.
You have read the room rules, right?
 
Right?
 
@jaggedSpire no meaning. i just ask. If someone know answer just answer. No force. i read.
 
4:19 AM
okay, I'm going to make it simple for you.
 
@jaggedSpire First you need to go outside give food to some animal.
 
This is a link to the rules
 
I Read really.
 
you may also find the rules linked in the sidebar
 
@jaggedSpire ping people is bad?
 
lol jagged
 
ooohhh ok i understand no ping people anymore. ping rule.
 
ooohhh ok i understand no ping people anymore. ping rule.
 
and yes, pinging people is to respond to a message they wrote (to notify them of your response) or to grab their attention
 
4:23 AM
@jaggedSpire
 
as opposite to global Jesus?
 
@jaggedSpire attention is tension. no ping no ping.
 
as you are not responding to a user's message when you ping them it's like shouting your question at them from across a room
@SpongyFruitcake @SpongyFruitcake
 
no shoot no shoot.
 
As you can see, among people that know one another, the rules are relaxed: Spongy Fruitcake is pinging me for no reason as a joke
 
4:25 AM
no matter. no ping. no shoot.
 
I have here responded to the joke by pinging him back, further elaborating on the joke by pinging him by name in a message that would already ping him as a response to a message he wrote
1 min ago, by jaggedSpire
@SpongyFruitcake @SpongyFruitcake
 
@jaggedSpire you send spongy two ping. but he receive two bell or one?
 
Again, it is important to note that this is as a joke between people who know one another, and that the pinging here should not be taken as an example of what to do when you know no one here
@AlexCerry @AlexCerry I don't quite remember. What does this message sound like?
 
jagged is in cold fury mode
 
@jaggedSpire one bell.
 
4:27 AM
@SpongyFruitcake pushes glasses up nose
 
> It is argued that C++17 is expressive enough for a simple library definition, as opposed to a keyword (however uglified). An additional small fix is suggested to allow std::byte to embody an aliasing property for access to arbitrary object representations. Taken altogether, std::byte is just as “builtin” as if it was designated by dedicated keyword (which would have to be ugly or incur source breaking changes.); an illustration of C++’s expressive power.
 
really no need to know people here its normal. any alien?
 
@Luc Today in "why library definitions are the best"
 
@AlexCerry there you have it!
 
4:29 AM
And now, you know why people have spent the last several days telling you to stop randomly pinging them, as well. So now that you understand what their complaint is, you know to stop. :)
:)
 
stackoverflow website have lot of bug. no no ping ping.
 
@AlexCerry ah, but why would you want a single message to ping you twice, when the purpose of the ping is to tell you that you have a message that you should read?
it is not two messages that you should read, but one.
@SpongyFruitcake <3
 
@jaggedSpire I know. I told you. stackoverflow have lot of bug. I send message one time. website show me. message send failed retry. what should i do?
 
keep retrying just in case
 
@AlexCerry attempt to retry again, check your internet connection, and then check that you are not using internet explorer by accident
 
4:32 AM
@jaggedSpire what about those people who gonna angry. Why you ping me twice. but i did not really.
 
I don't know if there are problems on internet explorer but past experience with everything internet explorer has taught me the answer there is "yes"
 
@jaggedSpire stackoverflow message send text box. increase the width with mouse courser. it won't come up.
 
@AlexCerry Are you saying that when you sent the message twice, you hit "retry" on a message that failed to send?
Really? it works fine on chrome.
 
@jaggedSpire My meaning. I already send message one time. But message came. retry/timeout something like that. And then i click retry. Then i send 2nd time. But sometime retry send first time.
@jaggedSpire No i think problem is i am using vpn.
 
first time my own sockpuppet is starting to get on my nerves
 
4:36 AM
@SpongyFruitcake oh you
you make higher-quality sockpuppets.
 
in this room some programmer are boss of the company?
 
yes Mysticial runs Pi Ltd.
 
@AlexCerry In that case, I would delete the second message, and then apologize to the person you pinged for the second ping. But not with a ping. Simply put their name in the message, do not precede it with an @, and leave it.
 
@jaggedSpire i understand.
 
However, your problem is that you're randomly pinging denizens of the room with bottom-tier questions for no reason any of us can detect.
so don't ping people outside a conversation in the first place
 
4:39 AM
my guess, spongy, jaggedspire, bartek, sehe, wilx.
 
and then you can simply delete the duplicate messages when they happen, with no apology needed for needless disturbance.
because you've not disturbed anyone.
 
You might also wish to note:
you don't need to ping people to attract attention to a question you posted in chat
if someone would find it interesting to entertain they'll respond regardless
or move it to the dedicated chat room and then respond there.
(you are supposed to post questions in the dedicated question chat room)
If you ping someone who would not be interested in your question anyway, they'll get annoyed.
You have already experienced this on multiple occasions.
so the appropriate thing to do is either:
a) state you have a question so people know to go into the question room to see what it is, and post it there.
b) post your question here, and do not be surprised when it is forcibly moved to the question room or ignored.
again, pinging people who are not clearly engaged in a conversation with you, or who are not participating in a conversation you are joining is considered rude.
so don't do that regardless
Thank you for reading this whole monstrous thing, and for being a fairly good sport about it even though I have not been exceedingly nice through all of it
have some red pandas
 
4:54 AM
ok
 
Have a good rest of your day :)
 
@jaggedSpire wait 1 minute.
i need one friendly advice.
 
I'm listening
well, reading
 
which company i doing internship i apply there as a c++ programmer. But after 6 month. They say currently have no c++ project. now you are going to do project in c# what should i do?
 
give up, pick up botany instead
and change your name to Alex Celery
 
4:57 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Angry Celery
 
guys really give me advice please.
 
@AlexCerry I'm quite terrible at career advice, but C# seems like a good language to know. It's nice to expand your horizons by learning more languages and it lets you think about problems in new ways.
That's certainly why I stayed at the company that swapped my C++ project for a C# one :V
also the promise that they'd switch them back when they got someone who actually enjoyed UI work
 
i.e never
 
@jaggedSpire Problem is not to learning c#. problem is i need to work with android programmer using svn software. But that guy really very bad behavior.
 
5:00 AM
@SpongyFruitcake The UI guy just said no this week, actually. So yes.
 
@AlexCerry and now that's a whole different kettle of fish. It seems like you might want to ask a workplace question site
it also depends on what you want to do with your life, of course
 
seems that a significant part of it is already dedicated to being annoying
 
world is so dash. And i am little angry celery.
 
@SpongyFruitcake seems like I'm getting off the UI job once the UI for phase I is complete. Fortunately that's seeming like the next couple weeks because I'm at the "Let's add doodads and find bugs" phase of things
if you change your name to "Little angry celery" I will be so terribly amused
 
5:02 AM
bugs at this time of the year? it's a little early, maybe next month once spring kicks in
 
@jaggedSpire Company told me you are good GUI designer have less bug :(
 
@SpongyFruitcake maybe this is your sockpuppet. How do you get them to make name jokes like that?
@AlexCerry furiously introduces bugs so I can get back to C++
and non-GUI work
 
i watch it manger just sit right side of me. and watching cartoon whole day. and give order to another so dash.
 
see you.
 
@jaggedSpire i gonna try that.
 
5:04 AM
you prooobably shouldn't
I don't know. Can you deal with the fallout if they just decide you can't learn new things?
and are therefore borderline-useless as a developer for anything but legacy code?
do you want to spend your life maintaining legacy code
 
but are they good cartoons
 
asking the important questions here
 
@spongy something like simpson .
@jaggedSpire that's why i say nothing and just start creating gui in c#.
but just not happy.
 
C# also offers a way to know just how ludicrously overpowered the C++ template system is, and a nice example of interfaces. and Linq
oh, LINQ
 
So this new BIOS still doesn't seem to want to let me run 4.0 GHz stable.
 
5:10 AM
iterators just aren't the same, though I love them still
 
@jaggedSpire what meaning ludicrously overpowered?
 
@AlexCerry power exceeding minimum (or even reasonable) requirements, to a near-humorous extent.
...that was more complicated words, wan't it
Amusingly more powerful than a reasonable person would expect or even want.
 
meaning c++ template system is more powerful.
 
much more so.
The power has drawbacks, however.
 
some people are very cruel.
 
5:13 AM
C# has vastly lower compilation times, partly because of its simpler type system.
It also has fewer strange corner-cases
it's easier to find the definition of a templated (generic actually, they're slightly different) type, because there can only be one definition for the generic type.
 
@jaggedSpire Really in my life i just want to open small restaurant.
i make ice cream cake really very tasty. You can not find any where.
i eat cake like that. when i was a kid.
 
Well, best of luck to you! :)
May you save up enough to do that one day
 
@jaggedSpire thank you.
 
5:40 AM
@jaggedSpire ...but mostly because it has an actual module system instead of headers (I've done some testing with VS' new module support--it can make a huge difference in template-heavy code).
 
@JerryCoffin I wasn't sure how it was split. That's awesome!
also I should probably go to bed now
 
@jaggedSpire Why? It's still before midnight, and you're still young.
 
@JerryCoffin It's actually almost 1AM, here in the plains
 
@jaggedSpire It's a little hard to be sure yet--I certainly haven't tried to do real comparisons of compile time for equivalent code under C++ vs. C#. But, C++ with modules can definitely compile quite a bit faster than without anyway.
@jaggedSpire Oh, I momentarily forgot that you're not in Colorado now. My apologies.
 
@JerryCoffin alas
@JerryCoffin a vast improvement in compilation time is still going to be a beautiful, beautiful thing regardless. Thanks for the good news. :)
 
5:46 AM
@jaggedSpire Surely. Good night.
 
You too.
 
6:31 AM
@CaptainGiraffe there are various new improvements to introsort described in the paper, and if you scroll down to the benchmarks you can see that they work, too
 
Fuck. I just spent the last five hours trying to get a RAID backplane working on a Blackblaze storage server, building one of these guys is a lot harder than expected because the kit doesn't include all the parts like screws or power cables. Also the RAID controllers are all "unsupported" by the manufacturer, also can't tell if the drivers installed correctly on Windows.
 
@Mikhail So why company buy unsupported hardware cables?
 
Its part of a "famous" kit from backblaze.com
The RAID controllers are from sunrichtech.com.hk
 
@Mikhail return them back.
 
lol
 
6:45 AM
@Mikhail Difficult to manage server?
 
?
 
@Mikhail difficult to mange storage server?
but i think you like see lot of big computer around you.
 
The Norco 24 drive servers I built were easy. To get a higher density, 60 drives, you need to assemble the case. Its not going well. And I probably won't be able to get Windows on them.
 
60 drives how much bytes?
 
60x8 TB, ran out of money after 24 drives.
 
6:48 AM
wahooooo
increase memory. or i think not enough slot.
 
?
 
Increase RAM.
I never able to manage my own computer hard disk which is only 500GB.
@Mikhail sorry. My mistake eyes problem. you say run out of money.
not memory.
oooofffffffff
 
@Mikhail i have 80GB Hard disk you want?
 
@sehe rofl how thick are they
security through gross incompetence
 
7:01 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Sir, What is your age?
 
I'll be 57 in July
 
7:17 AM
@SpongyFruitcake young.
 
7:33 AM
@Mikhail Or any one. If someone want any hardware components from china i can help. you can look on this website its really very very cheap.
 
7:47 AM
@SpongyFruitcake you know, they made seemingly bad mistake - no clue whether we have the full story
@SpongyFruitcake Ability to readily reproduce an issue from a (platform dependent) report does not equate to security.
I'd wager that an inverse relation might exist. It's far harder to come by a disciplined security analyst than a good tinkerer, IYAM.
That is the overlap notwithstanding
@AlexCerry Showing your age.
 
@sehe this year i am gonna 23.
 
Woot. In your primes
 
@sehe what mean?
 
sigh. "What does that mean?". A: It's a pun.
 
quick cuda check
 
7:52 AM
@sehe difficult to understand too much.
 
It is a mixed blessing.
 
@AlexCerry I understand. If you can be patient, I'll try to be patient too.
 
@sehe ok. You want any hardware components: taobao.com
 
Morning loungers
 
@sehe ? congrats on missing the joke I guess
 
7:54 AM
@AlexCerry I don't think so. Why are you peddling them? Are you spamming?
 
@sehe no i just send my friends some ram to Gana they very happy because its cheap. just this.
 
That's... kinda spamming, since you're advertising now.
@SpongyFruitcake You seemed made the jump from this apparent gaffe (that I linked) to "Gross security incompetence". I don't think that's very related.
 
@JohanLarsson lol
 
On the issue itself, hmm. Yeah. Way too much riding on a single layer of isolation.
@AlexCerry I think you can wake @Mikhail up when it's 10 x 8Tb
@AlexCerry And with that, stop advertising/trading in the lounge. You may start your own room if it's not against Stack Exchange policy to do that.
 
@sehe You lost me once again
 
7:57 AM
@sehe ok sir.
@sehe you give me your reputation i start own room. :)
 
@SpongyFruitcake That would make it "still", not "once again"? Or was there any clarification that did help?
 
I admit defeat
 
@AlexCerry Reputation is earned, so it would naturally happen over time.
@SpongyFruitcake I'd ask your physician for a checkup. Something's not right :)
 
@sehe just joke.
 
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