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Ell
12:08 AM
my parser is extremely slow
I can't tell if it's in an infinite loop ornot
 
Tune a pocket radio to the CPU clock
 
@Mysticial -1 not enough botany comments
 
@Borgleader "botany" has been mentioned 215 times on chat.SO. 198 of them are from this room.
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lol!
 
botany is the best
 
12:18 AM
@LucDanton On me susurre à l'oreille que le gist que j'avais link hier est écrit par un ex dev Anet /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
nice bait
 
@Ell There is none. Numbers can't be parsed.
 
@LucDanton Ahem
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin you know what I mean :3
 
@AldwinCheung obvious wikivandalism
 
12:24 AM
How do you feel playing a game written in C+
 
@Ell Maybe I would if I could parse what you were saying. :-)
 
@AldwinCheung fun and entertaining
 
Ell
I need an algorithm to get -124.58 from "-124.58" :)
 
@Ell Are you allowed to use std::stod?
 
Ell
Nope
I'm looking for an implementation of it basically
I suppose I could just look at it's source in my standard library
 
12:27 AM
also maybe regex
 
12:42 AM
text pattern matching implies regex
 
incorrect
 
Ell
regex won't really help me here I don't think
 
Ell
suppose I already have some string in the correct format
 
Extending it to handle floating point is slightly non-trivial, but not terribly complex either.
 
Ell
12:44 AM
@JerryCoffin thanks I'll take a look
 
Toshiba Might Sell Majority Of Semiconductor Business Following $6.3 Billion Nuclear Loss

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/toshiba-nuclear-chairman-loss-semiconductor-spin-off,33660.html
Didn't know they did "nuclear" work
 
@Ell Note that it doesn't go to any pain to handle all corner cases properly (e.g., for a maximally negative number on a 2's complement system). Floating point has different corner cases to deal with, so it didn't seem like that would add much (if anything).
@Mikhail They bought (most of) Westinghouse Electric (which built nuclear reactors) in 2006.
 
@nwp current state of CMake docs
I blame KitWare
 
I couldn't find a study for the level of atmosphere oxygen concentration over the past 100 years
 
This answer is incorrect. CMake does honor the CC and CXX environment variables. The only caveat is that you must set them before running CMake, not before running make inside the generated build directory. Also, CMake caches the values of these variables, so once the build directory is created, you may need to remove the directory and re-generate it if you change compilers. — cmccabe Apr 14 '15 at 22:38
 
2:05 AM
intern is getting NOTHING done today. https://t.co/UV0IwCACTk
/cc @jaggedSpire @Morwenn @Ven
 
2:31 AM
@Xeo agreed
 
Fuck, I might have to build another hardware raid configuration.
 
3:06 AM
Anybody built a Blazeback storage pod :-)
 
 
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4:28 AM
 
everyone here is dumb for using C++ over Rust
16
 
have a star of shame
try a better hook
 
everyone here is dumb for using x86 over ARM
 
you remind me
wtf happened to ARM
it was suppose to make inroads to desktop and server
that never happened
 
LOL
 
4:37 AM
why is that funny?
 
ARM failed because the chips couldn't achieve parity, and the target workload, high latency, low power consumption, low throughput doesn't exist.
What I would be keenly interested in is to understand if the ARM instruction set is for any reason more energy efficient than the x86 instruction set. Not comparing specific chips or implementations. People be saying ARM is more energy efficient, but I really don't know why.
 
ARM hardly "failed". Unless you mean failed to penetrate the PC market.
 
Yeah, that is what I mean
 
Incompatibility with x86 is probably going to be the biggest reason for not getting into the PC market. Because people aren't going to rewrite/recompile their shit.
 
Well the Chromebooks did
But the ARM chips failed to deliver on the javascript benchmarks, for example.
@Mysticial For a good laugh: pcworld.com/article/3165405/components/…
 
4:45 AM
wtf
 
Unfortunately caps out at SSE4.1, still can't AVX512 on my wrist
 
desktop and server market is ownd by intel
I mean how expensive is the latest intel fabrication plant?
 
ARM is used in a lot of places tbh, especially embedded/mobile processors. ARM pcs, however aren't generally used.
 
intel has like a ridiculous lead on fab tech compared to tsmc and everyone is that correct?
 
As somebody whose work was sponsored by Intel (for 3 months), its really hard to say. The manufacturing process are so different we can't really compare the supposed "nm" sizes. A more reasonable question concerns power consumption or performance.
For example, Samsung beat Intel in storage
 
4:52 AM
have you seen intel performance and power consumption compared to amd
its like amd just sucks shit
like somehow intel beats amd in performance and in watt usage BOTH
 
I gave up on AMD, and have been using the benchmarks from the MC era as my reference. So, basically, I'm a source of misinformation.
 
wtf is wrong with amd
 
At the heart of the problem is that AMD (or anybody) won't embrace wacky form factors. Why are GPU's faster? Because they are fucking massive. Why can't we have massive CPUs? IDK...
If Intel releases a chip that is 2x1 the size of a current chip and a socket that is literally 2x wider, it will run faster. Maybe even 2x faster! I suspect that once Intel get some real competition they will do exactly this (look at the Phi socket).
 
we already have massive cpurs
there are 48 core server chips
 
From what I understand, AMD is in the niche of cheaper brute-force processors. Their gpus for example are much cheaper for equivalent performance, but you're going to need much better cooling and power than an Nvidia. It seems the same way in their competition with Intel, but I haven't researched cpus enough to draw that conclusion
 
4:57 AM
@user782220 Yeah, I'm looking at one right now. Its not that big.
3
 
but the big problem with a 48 core chip is what application is going to need that
and who is going to program the parallelism
 
I will. And the application is image processing.
 
HPC. Not the ordinary user
 
why would you use cpus instead of gpus for image processing
 
At present, I use GPUs because they perform better in practice, but I can't give a good architectural reason.
 
5:00 AM
what do you mean
gpus are suppose to perform better in image processing
 
But can you give a reason?
At present GPUs are more cost effective.
 
some off the shelf gpu from nvidia has like way over 1000 cores
err gpu
gpu cards have an insane number of cores
 
Compare to AVX 512
 
thats how they can run games like the latest fallout
 
So, you're not giving me reasons
 
5:02 AM
what do you mean you can't buy a 1000 core cpu
I see what you mean
you mean if there were a gpu with the equivalent number of cores
limited in size
you're asking if it would still be better?
 
I think you're also missing that AVX 512 can do operations in batch, and you can have 24 of those running at once (maybe).
 
ok but I'm guessing that most of the surface area of an intel cpu is not useful for the computation whereas in a gpu more of it can be used
which makes sense I think in that the intel cpu is general purpose so it can also do a bunch of other stuff
 
Modern GPUs appear to me as quite general purpose (they might even be Turing complete!), but yeah, the decoder should be much simpler.
 
as far as i know gpus have for example no branch prediction like cpus do
 
But I think it really comes down the socket, and Intel being happily selling you a CPU that cost $9k
 
5:07 AM
they are architected totally different in that respect right?
 
Yes. GPUs resemble the barrel processors of old. They will time out and move to the next execution group while memory is being loaded.
Intel tried to make the MIC, which also removes those two things. And then failed to achieve performance parity. Not to mention the need to port all your code.
Fun Fact: the lack luster performance of MIC provides a cover-up for one of the most egregious leaks of US technology to China.
 
@Mikhail Largely much greater bandwidth to memory. A high end CPU (e.g., a Broadwell-E) has an aggregate bandwidth around 60 GB/s. A high end GPU has over 300 GB/s memory bandwidth. When you're doing a little processing on a lot of items, the bottleneck is often just getting the data into and back out of the processor.
 
Yeah, mine is like 700 GB/s. But I can't tell if the high bandwidth is because its easier to use texture memory compared to optimizing x86 (which I don't know how to do).
Also if I have 4 CPUs, does the bandwidth go up?
 
@Mikhail Yes, individually. But not to each other.
 
@Mikhail A lot of it is faster channels (e.g., GDDR 5X vs. DDR 4) and more of them.
 
5:20 AM
Yeah, so these things complicate the picture. Because for example, the GPU doesn't have 300 GB/s of bandwidth arbitrarily...
 
I'm curious to see how bad the memory bottleneck will be on Skylake Purley. 6 channels DDR4 vs. AVX512.
 
I'm more curious as to when Intel is going to make easy to use CUDA->OCL compiler, I can't personally afford to re-write millions of lines of code
Also would be nice to know exactly why MIC goes 4x slower than NVIDIA hardware
 
I don't think anything natively written for CUDA is going to perform well at all on Intel's "shitty" iGPUs.
So they aren't even gonna try.
Likewise for MIC.
I say "shitty" iGPUs, but they really are improving a lot. So much so that they're getting bashed for not upping the core count on the CPUs.
Hopefully AMD will make them change that.
 
Yeah, Intel introduced 4K video decoding on their lower end models - which will have an immediate impact on consumers.
 
Hello, Cruel World!
 
5:42 AM
@Mikhail They're undoubtedly Turing complete. They aren't, however, good at a lot of things necessary for an OS though (e.g., memory management).
 
help
oh
Wow everyone left
I'm alone.
 
@VermillionAzure Are you sure of that?
 
@JerryCoffin Yes.
lol
Also, what was that dude who came in and was like "OMG GPU Rust argh"
He seems certainly smarter than me
Wait a minute
Robot is ridiculing the lead programmer on Guild Wars 2?...
 
Honestly I was prepared for gpu guy to be a troll, but he turned out not bad. He asked insightful questions about something he didn't know ^^b
 
6:27 AM
@JerryCoffin Oh humbug, an OS doesn't need memory management! Look at MS's Singularity project, everything is done with compile time contracts/code validation :-)
 
@Mikhail Feel free to read that as "conventional OS".
 
This is a good read about Singularity: read.seas.harvard.edu/cs261/2011/singularity.html
(Integrating the system and the language was powerful, but meant that the Singularity team had to maintain an advanced compiler—making it much harder for others within and outside of Microsoft to use and build on the Singularity system. This is a common and often-unremarked problem with integrated approaches.)
 
6:50 AM
@AldwinCheung oh and that must by why the servers are so stable. or how they used to be, they must have introduced modern features recently
 
7:12 AM
@Mikhail That already exists :w
 
Is there an anti-social media?
 
4chan
 
Too community oriented to be anti social media ...
 
 
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8:28 AM
@Borgleader Cuteness /o/
 
Ven
Hi
 
Owww, my head. Alcohol is bad.
 
8:46 AM
@wilx Hehe, I haven't got alcohol-induced headaches for a few months now :p
They are the worst.
 
8:59 AM
"The Third Reich was actually a regime of SJWs". This is it. This is the worst take. https://t.co/x27RgTbckW
 
9:21 AM
@wilx drink plenty of water
 
@Telkitty Thanks. I am trying to. :)
 
9:40 AM
Does coliru allow input with cin?
My glasses are giving me headaches ;-(
good thing I have an eye exam tomorrow...
oic...I can edit the command line and use echo with a pipe
 
I hope I don't get banned for using a real hot girl as my avatar :x
 
@Telkitty and she is the richest person in australia..
 
nwp
@Code-Apprentice sort of
 
12 mins ago, by Code-Apprentice
oic...I can edit the command line and use echo with a pipe
 
nwp
sorry
 
9:55 AM
no problem...kind of got hidden with my other ramblings
 
How do you know the path to put for the redirected file?
 
Says so at the bottom.
@Ell Make a note of the the dot position from the right (i.e. count how many digits to the right of it), call it n, remove the dot, and then just do a traditional str2int conversion and divide by 10^n.
 
10:19 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Parsing and building double from string seems to be a rather hard problem, if I should judge from the source of newlib: sourceware.org/git/…
 
10:30 AM
@wilx Ah, but that's an algorithm with more goals than "it should work" :)
(Also, it needs to handle all sorts of edge cases, and syntax like 2e-2 and such.)
I assumed Ell's problem only included nnn.nnn kind of stuff.
 
Hi guys
C++ question
if I have a base class
and two derived class
say B is the base class, D1 and D2 are the derived ones
Are the following statements valid
sorry I haven't actually statements
but I wanted to know if REFERENCE to the base class
can be derived classes
like in a copy constructor for b
B(const B& x)
would it be correct to pass an object of class D1 or D2?
 
@user8469759: Can you
write
more than
3 words
on a
line?
 
sorry
Anyway is that possible? if yes why, if not why
 
nwp
@user8469759 those go there
 
@user8469759 It would be OK to pass derived class instances to base class copy ctor.
 
10:40 AM
I'm writing the question in the other room
 
Just wondering, is there a library that facilitates me to build a custom styled GUI? Not sure if that came out right, I mean I know there are libraries like QT, FLTK, etc but I mean something that lets me really customize the look and feel of it?
 
Qt has styles that you can fiddle with, and I think will allow you to remove all decorations for you to pain everything
 
nwp
@ratchetfreak heh, freudian typo
 
@nwp Haha, good catch. I did not notice it before. :)
 
11:12 AM
@thecoshman Wow! I did not expect that! Cool. Now I have no excuse not to participate. :)
 
11:29 AM
@ratchetfreak really? I looked around for images but most looked like a default theme thing best I found was some css styling like thing which doesn't really seem to let u change things or use your own images if any
 
@Prix This seems related: blog.johnnovak.net/2016/05/29/…
 
Well, I really wanted to avoid this, but I simply must acknowledge the fact that to produce a good quality custom cross-platform GUI in 2016, there’s really no substitute to rolling up your sleeves and developing your own platform-agnostic UI and graphics libraries.
that summary, with F* followed
 
11:59 AM
> C++ boost standration?
 
@AldwinCheung huh
 
Ven
how do I stop getting notifications from the docs.so
 
nwp
edit in profanities until they ban you from participating
 
12:18 PM
@Ven There's a small link to unwatch changes.
 
12:29 PM
Hi guise
 
@ratchetfreak that's a bit more interesting then what I had found thx
 
nwp
@Prix What are you making that it needs a non-native GUI?
 
12:46 PM
@nwp mmm I just want to make a GUI that I like, that's all. I mean I look over all those GUI's, they are nice simple, clean, but I want to make a custom that looks badass...
 
@Prix See you in 30 years.
 
1:06 PM
@Morwenn lol
 
@Prix You should offer a binaural sound experience on your gui, that would be badass
 
@Rerito well that is not what I mean by badass:P
but those Qt GUI for sound experience looks awesome I wonder how much effort it goes into modifying it to get it to that looks(I mean the controls and stuff)
 
nwp
How do I find the minimum of a list? Use range v3!
somehow that answer amuses me
 
I'm pretty sure you can also use jQuery.
 
nwp
1:22 PM
the boost answer is pretty neat too
so much correctness and uselessness in one place, almost like math
 
What compiler is right in this case: godbolt.org/g/61SDss ?
 
@MojaveWastelander I am surprised that GCC 7 does not fail the compilation too.
 
1:41 PM
@sehe Did you already enjoy the new article by Jens Weller? x)
 
2:06 PM
colleague just showed me piece of code that contained escape sequence '\ff'. Is this equivalent to 0xFF?
Or is some kind of non-portable extension?
 
Latter.
\f is form-feed (0x0C)
'\ff' is a multi-character literal with form-feed and a regular f.
Multi-character literals are not portable.
@StackedCrooked My guess is that whoever wrote this intended to write '\xff'', missed the x and didn't notice because it compiled.
 
I did a search on 'size' and found a bunch of 'synthesize'
 
And again latest gcc works as msvc or it's other way around: godbolt.org/g/MnSnd5
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that seems to be the case.
 
2:22 PM
prince of useless knowledge
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. Interesting.
 
3:03 PM
@LucDanton rip anet
 
@Shoe So.. is Nomic fun?
I've never played this type of game before.
 
nwp
@Telkitty Did you get your profile picture from a "flossing is sexy" dentist's add?
 
Ell
I highly doubt xD
 
@nwp add what?
 
nwp
@Telkitty I meant advertisement
 
3:13 PM
I like your imagination :p
 
4:03 PM
@nwp Somehow, I see a "-1: not enough jQuery range" in our future.
 
4:28 PM
> For example I bought a car last week with Bitcoin.
 
user1804599
Haha
 
> Generic Scope Guard and RAII Wrapper for the Standard Library
This shit is still doing the rounds?
And it's still using fopen as a motivating example? WTF.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This has both good and bad points. On one hand, maybe it means you miss the train less often. On the other hand, it probably means you get even more lost before you realize there's a problem. (yes, I know, you were quoting--but you know my attitude about facts vs. humor).
 
@sehe Yup, that one :)
 
user1804599
Lol broken fopen library
 
4:52 PM
{ auto file=make_unique_resource(::fopen(filename.c_str(),"w"),&::fclose);
    ::fputs("Hello World!\n", file.get());
    ASSERT(file.get()!= NULL);
}
{ std::ifstream input { filename };
    std::string line { };
    getline(input, line);
    ASSERT_EQUAL("Hello World!", line);
    getline(input, line);
    ASSERT(input.eof());
}
From the motivating example in the paper.
 
it's mostly useful when interacting with a C library that you are too lazy to write your own RAII wrapper for
or make it easier to create said RAII wrapper
 
Not only they use fopen, which as examples for this is one of the worst you could come up with, but they also use ifstream straight after, showing that they know ifstream exists, i.e. have no idea what they're doing.
 
to be fair it's kinda hard to come up with a well known example that would benefit from scope_exit without reaching for another library. The C file IO is the most well known in that regard
 
then why do we need the feature
 
It's a terrible example.
It's the worst.
The way to solve the "problem" that the C file IO example shows is to use ifstream.
 
Ell
4:57 PM
I have the worst examples, they're little league examples
 
And the way to solve the problem that the POSIX IO example shows (which is what people run to as soon as you point out that they're idiots by using fopen as an example) is to write a proper RAII wrapper for fds.
(POSIX IO is the only other example given in the paper)
 
and the entire point of the proposal is to create simple ad-hoc RAII wrappers for resources
 
@ratchetfreak So, to rephrase this "to be fair, this feature is kinda useless".
@ratchetfreak proper != ad hoc.
 
sometimes ad-hoc is all you really need
 
@ratchetfreak Examples have always been non-forthcoming.
 
5:01 PM
another bad example would be auto mem = make_unique_resource(malloc(size), &free);
 
Yes, there are many many many bad examples.
 
@ratchetfreak At least in my experience, it's surprisingly rare--and let me be clear: I expect it to be rare, and it still surprises me just how rare it really is.
 
Like, almost all the examples.
(I only put "almost" there in case someone actually gives one example once ever)
 
@JerryCoffin yeah once you start using a C lib that needs cleanup you quickly end up creating the proper RAII wrapper sooner or later
 
The rareness here reminds me of a joke a guy I used to know liked to tell about how to cook a steak properly: have them bring it out to the table raw. Stick a fork in it and wave it about 6 six inches above the candle on the table for about 15 seconds. Oh, and when you're done, be sure and light the candle--it provides better ambiance that way.
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5:03 PM
cause seriously the only actual example of any value I can give is using a C lib that requires cleanup and you are too lazy to create a proper wrapper (or believe yourself unable to)
 
Good uses for generic scope guard seem to be at least as rare as that steak.
 
if the wrapped resource were move-assignable then the wrappers would be more useful as you could put them as class members and have them be cleaned up without needing a destructor
 
Basically, if the motivating example for some feature is code that I would reject in a code review, then the feature is not needed.
 
> unique_resource is meant to be a universal RAII wrapper for resource handles provided by an operating system or platform. Typically, such resource handles are of trivial type and come with a factory function and a clean-up or deleter function that do not throw exceptions.
 
Ell
5:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is unique_resource just generalising unique_ptr?
Because I can see the use for that
 
@Ell The way they present it, it's just a way to write the destructor code everywhere you initialize a resource.
 
Ell
how about something like: (gimme a min)
struct shader {
	unique_resource<GLuint> handle;
	shader() : handle(glGenShader(), &glDeleteShader) {}
};
 
That's ok-ish, but I find the value dubious.
For starters, I would throw from that ctor.
 
Ell
well, you could write a check in a static function sure
 
Ell
5:22 PM
gimme a secc
 
(And note that that is unlike any of the examples given in the paper, and in fact the author's original intention was to keep the ctor private, so you can only use it via the factory)
 
Ell
I didn't read the original paper. Just commenting on the potential use of something like that
 
@Ell Nah, I actually don't get the point. Unless the factory does something other than forward, making the ctor private accomplishes nothing.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess I meant to say "I acknowledge your comment" :P
 
shader() : handle(make(glGenShader(), &glDeleteShader)) {}
 
5:26 PM
// using gmp lib
mpf_f create_mpf(){
    mpf_t x;
    mpf_init(x);
    return x;
}


auto arbitraryPrecision = make_unique_resource(create_mpf(), &mpf_clear);
 
There, private ctor "problem" solved
@ratchetfreak NO NO NO
Jesus fuck
 
I know there is already a C++ wrapper for that
 
Even without that.
auto a = make_unique_resource(create_mpf(), &mpf_clear);
auto b = make_unique_resource(create_mpf(), &mpf_clear);
auto c = make_unique_resource(create_mpf(), &mpf_clear);
auto d = make_unique_resource(create_mpf(), &mpf_clear);
You don't see anything wrong with this?
 
auto create_mpf_resource(){
    mpf_t x;
    mpf_init(x);
    return make_unique_resource(x, &mpf_clear);
}
a bit better, no?
 
Yeah, but it's not a huge improvement over unique_ptr.
 
5:29 PM
it really needs a way to say "for this type use this deleter"
 
(And it still leaves you in the water without any other functionality: .get() will be all over the place)
 
needs operator R
 
That still leaves you using the C API.
 
@ratchetfreak There is a way. It's called "a user defined type".
struct mpf_resource {
	mpf_t x;
	mpf_resource() { mpf_init(x); }
	operator mpf_t() { return x; }
	~mpf_resource() { mpf_clear(x); }
};
 
@ratchetfreak No, it doesn't, because, say, POSIX file descriptors and OpenGL names are just integers.
@JerryCoffin Exactly. C++ already has all these features.
 
5:31 PM
template<R, D> D get_deleter_for_resource(); specialized for each resource type
 
@JerryCoffin Plus // ... other member functions that actually do things
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well for the C apis with other types
@R.MartinhoFernandes and rule of 3/5
 
@ratchetfreak Really meaningless compared to all other member functions that actually do things.
Also, I'm glad you brought up mpf_t.
mpf_t has more than one ctor.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perhaps (even "probably"). But without the class, the user just uses the mpf_t, and here he can do the same (since the class supports implicit conversion to mpf_t), so even though we probably want to add more (because it's useful) we already have everything we had with the generic resource handler.
The one thing we might need to change (depending on the nature of an mpf_t) is to return a reference instead of a value from the implicit conversion.
 
Here by value is fine.
 
5:37 PM
tl;dr I see it as a way to assist with RAII wrapping C apis, but it's not going to be a silver bullet. A custom wrapper is always going to be better, but this will get you off the ground faster (especially if they ever put in the derive deleter from type mechanism).
 
I guess you may want to save three or four words.
@ratchetfreak If it's small benefit, in a small number of circumstances, and highly prone to misuse, I'm still firmly convinced the standard doesn't need this (but especially not as presented).
 
> He has a copy of Schildt's C++ Reference. That's an awful book. One of the worst C++ books.
lol I noticed too
 
@ratchetfreak I don't see where it gets you off the ground enough faster to notice. Your code to use the generic deleter is a grand total of one line shorter than mine that doesn't use it.
 
And just for laughs, I remember that there was an earlier iteration of that proposal with an even more ridiculous use case.
 
@ratchetfreak Yes, you probably do want to add that--but if you actually need anything like that, you need a wrapper class; the generic deleter thing simply isn't adequate to the task at all.
 
5:42 PM
@JerryCoffin yours actually works better for this specific example, because mpf_t initialization never fails
The generic wrapper proposed can't actually handle that.
 
@Morwenn I scanned it, seems ok
 
Dammit, the original document has been taken down.
It had the "loop advancement problem".
> One of my goals is to use RAII in all of the places that common mistakes are made that could be solved using it. So, sometimes I'll even use it inside of a while loop to ensure that anyone that comes in later on and modifies that code can't accidentally forget to advance the loop, because at the top of the loop is an RAIIFunction object that ensures that any continue will advance the loop, etc.
(Hint: it's just a for loop)
 
@ratchetfreak better rename that to std::silver_bullet
(or maybe in namespace std::extensions::soothers::guilt::critical_thought_excuses)
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow. So maybe they really want STM
 
whoa installing libressl is something scary
 
Its also bullshit because if something throws inside the loop, and unwinds the stack, you don't expect the loop to the advance.
 
5:54 PM
Anyone tried to teach programming to an AI?
 
Ell
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix it's the wrong way to go
 
Would that be a form of source-to-source compiler?
 
Well no, it could program directly in machine code
unless you want to see what's going on actually
 
Ell
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix you're still going to have to tell it what you want it to program
at which point you have some form of declarative programming
 
@Ell would voice recognition work as "declarative" programming
 
Ell
5:58 PM
well, I suppose the difficult bit is understanding the formal specification from the words a human says
I don't think you can really remove the human from the equation
usaully the human clarifies what he wants by writing the API at least
maybe it could work for simple things
or with mathematicians instructing it :P
 
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