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user1804599
12:00 AM
field->template get<Object*>(object) :v
 
user1804599
I could switch to non-poly lambda but meh. :D
 
I have a webdev exam in several hours lol
with php and stuff
 
@Fanael So you're saying that one shouldn't care for other people's opinion?
@AlexM. Have fun!
 
it will be a challenge in googling for what I need
 
@Fanael I want to hear opinions from other people, about that mentioned opinion. What's wrong with that? My own opinions aren't cast in concrete!
 
12:01 AM
@AlexM. You have online exams?
 
no
but can you imagine gathering a bunch of students
asking them to do an actual web app (e.g. a simple Q&A page)
without allowing access to online resources
not even webdev profs are willing to torture people so
 
user3010322
Tere's gotta be a copy somewhere...
 
alright then
Total succeeded: 255 failed: 2
time for bed.
 
you go to bed when you have unit tests failing?
how do you manage to get out the door with your huge balls again?
 
@Fanael "My own opinions aren't cast in concrete!" Have a lookup about my nick!
 
12:04 AM
@Puppy Nice! A 99.22% success!
 
@Puppy Good rate!
 
Better than the 98.05% he had earlier.
Puppy shows signs of improvement.
 
I'm not getting knives in CS anymore :(
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ I can't, my computer doesn't support Chinese.
 
I'm now in the plebeian crowd
 
12:06 AM
@Fanael that looks nothing like chinese
 
user784668
@Blob whoosh
 
@Fanael It's simply greek letters dude! :-P ... (no chinese involved)
 
@Fanael That is most definitely not chinese.
 
32 secs ago, by Fanael
@Blob whoosh
 
@AlexM. Let me guess, you realize this... $200 later?
 
user784668
12:07 AM
@Nooble Now read their SO profile. /cc @Blob
 
@Nooble nah, it's not that much $$
I spent most of it on games
anyway, not a bad deal regardless
basically I got Witcher 3, Saints Row IV, RTCW, and the new Broken Sword for free
 
> primary missing abilities distinguishing greek letters from hindi, thai, chinese, etc.
 
because of a lucky case
 
at least "Russian" isn't on the list.. I originally thought it was Russian
 
@Fanael Read whose?
 
user784668
12:08 AM
@Blob Cyrillic is derived from Greek, so there's that
 
user784668
@Nooble πάντα ῥεῖ's
 
navta pei
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ "Dude"? Please go be sexist somewhere else.
 
^Duddess? (Don't knów the gender neutral form)
 
Err maybe "Dudette".
 
12:10 AM
I've yet to see a girl complain about being called dude in a group of mates
 
@Nooble More likely :)
 
in fact I've yet to see a girl complain about all these internet things IRL
the internet is a crazy place
 
"dude" is pretty gender neutral
i use it for everyone
 
Kinda.
 
@Blob Same for me. I didn't even thought about ...
 
12:12 AM
I hate colleeegeeee
 
I prefer other, less awkward, words for females but don't view "dude" as "wrong"
 
I wish I had money when I started college
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You may refer to him as "bitch", which would be female.
Hehehehehehe.
 
so I could just not go to it
I don't understand the point of the VR course
 
VR? Virtual Reality?
 
12:15 AM
it teaches you how to raycast, animate some rigged model and make a simple psychology-related project in whatever game engine you want
 
@Nooble You know about me being a sarcastic, non PC, sexist, racist, any-ist badass. But that was even beyond my capture :P ...
 
so pretty much nothing
I mean it's not like college teaches you lots in general
 
Wouldn't college further deplete your money?
@πάνταῥεῖ :P
 
@Nooble I don't pay for college because I don't live in the US
 
I had to take art and music courses last year. I don't find your complaints relevant.
 
user784668
12:16 AM
@Nooble College tends to be free in civilized countries.
 
the college situation in the US is capitalism gone wrong
 
guys we're sorry, ok. not out fault we live in the US.
 
user784668
@Blob Oh, but it is your fault. You can move out, can't you?
 
@Fanael Nope, can't.
 
schooling should belong 100% to the state, since it's one of the pillars its next generations build upon
 
12:17 AM
even if i could, where would i go? Wherever I went, I wouldn't speak their language.
 
similar situation for hospitals
 
@AlexM. education and medication
all we have is obamacare
 
@Nooble Good to know, that there is still room for improvement. Hehehehe
 
user784668
@Blob Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, whatever?
 
@Fanael I don't speak canadian, ukian, irelandian, australian, or newzealandian
 
12:19 AM
@Blob MIght turn out better than media tell you.
 
as long as your grades are ok you don't have to pay anything for college here
 
@Fanael How the hell do you expect me to move out of the country I live on? I can't swing on trees for extended periods of time. Nevermind the fact that I wouldn't have a stable source of gum-leaves and eucalyptus in Europe.
 
there are some nasty situations where you have to pay even if you're in a state budgeted seat though, and I'm in a few of those
but you only pay per exam
 
@πάνταῥεῖ not judging based on right wing media. problem with obamacare is that it had to go through so many compromises to get through the republicans
 
I have to pay for two exams I didn't take or failed more than two times
:A
I've got an exam I didn't pass a year ago, pushed it to the special session that takes place sometime in june this year
 
user784668
12:20 AM
@Nooble They're govt funded in all of EU
 
@Blob Good point, they've seem to have spoiled the major points.
 
Does any country in the EU grant citizenship once you live there for a while?
 
@Blob is it true you don't have mandatory sick days in the US lol
I've seen something on linkedin about it
 
user784668
@Blob All of them I think
 
mandatory sick days? what's that?
 
12:21 AM
you are sick, so you use some of those days to still get paid
 
@Fanael I don't think you understand. Europe doesn't accept marsupials as citizens IIRC.
 
while sitting home
 
@Fanael That nice flower, doesn't prove you being a girl BTW.
 
@Fanael Really? I thought i'd have to rely on some job visa and get deported as soon as i lost it
 
the doctor gives you some papers to take to your workplace
 
12:22 AM
Not true.
 
@AlexM. there are sick days. just not really mandatory.
 
mandatory as in mandatory payment
 
oh
 
i.e. if the doctor says you have to stay home, your workplace must pay you
 
@Nooble Weren't marsupials being invented in France actually?
 
12:23 AM
not really sure, there probably are for most office-jobs. my dad works in the UN so it's a lot more civilized; he gets paid when he's sick
 
I've seen some commenters there going like HURRRR DURRR SO PEOPLE CAN STAY AT HOME AND STILL GET PAID WITH MY TAX MONEY DURRRR
 
user784668
@Nooble Of course a part of Asia with delusions of grandeur doesn't accept marsupials as citizens. It's a landmass, not a country, doesn't accept anyone as citizens.
 
Marsupilami is a fictional comic book species created by André Franquin, first published on 31 January 1952 in the Franco-Belgian comics magazine Spirou. Since then it appeared regularly in the popular Belgian comic book series Spirou et Fantasio until Franquin stopped working on the series in 1968 and the character dropped out soon afterward. In the late 1980s, the Marsupilami got its own successful spin-off series of comic albums, Marsupilami, written by Greg, Yann and Dugomier and drawn by Batem, launching the publishing house Marsu Productions. Later, two animated shows featuring this character...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ahh yes marsupials were invented in france. Frankensteins invention.
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ I fail to see how's that relevant to anything.
 
12:24 AM
@Fanael How are your complaints relevant then?
 
his complaint about "dude" is irrelevant regardless of what he is.
s/he/she or whatever
 
we're pretty irrelevant
 
@Fanael If you have gender, I'm not concerned anyway. Dude is neutral! In german we distinguish Alter. Alte :-P ...
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ Do you really think that only women can point out that something is sexist? That's sexist; men, people who are neither, people who are both, etc. can do that too.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ How is education in Germany?
 
12:27 AM
@Blob Long way gone
 
are all of your shows still dubbed?
I remember visiting Germany many years ago
trying to find a small amount of English on TV
and failing
 
@Fanael I certainly not think so. I'm blaming people being sexist all the time. But not pointlessly for using of neutral wording.
 
> prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex.
there is no prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination going on because no one cares about anyone else here.
all arguments about sexism in this chatroom is invalid
 
user784668
All arguments in the Lounge are invalid.
 
except mine
 
12:32 AM
Dude is neutral.
 
user784668
Doesn't make my argument any less valid.
 
The Big Lebowski is a 1998 British-American crime comedy film written, produced and directed by Joel and Ethan Coen. It stars Jeff Bridges as Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski, an unemployed Los Angeles slacker and avid bowler. After a case of mistaken identity, The Dude is introduced to a millionaire also named Jeffrey Lebowski. When the millionaire Lebowski's trophy wife is kidnapped, he commissions The Dude to deliver the ransom to secure her release. The plan goes awry when the Dude's friend Walter Sobchak (John Goodman) schemes to keep the full ransom. Julianne Moore and Steve Buscemi also star...
 
Jefffrey Lebowski
 
Though they left us with some different impression, what it means ...
 
I wish more people visited Romania
to see that nobody gives a shit about sexism here
and we're doing fine
 
12:33 AM
^I like that a lot
 
how's education in Romania? =o
 
good
 
^Long gone as well probably ...
 
probably better than US, but specifics?
 
at least in the CS department
 
12:34 AM
I bet their Mayor won't make them go to school in a Blizzard. Twice.
 
Hahahah xD
 
@Blob What are they telling you? The brain washing is achieved well?
 
@Nooble "This blizzard is the worst thing that has happened in the past XX years. Please stay inside and stay safe. In other news, schools resume tomorrow."
 
Hey guys, good evening
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ Way to invalidate.
 
12:35 AM
Anyone with some notion of algorithms complexity out there?
 
@GustavoMaloste Good morning
 
@Blob we're producing lots of programmers
we also have a history of gold medal winners at the international olympiad in informatics
 
@AlexM. Lte's say a herd of ...
 
@AlexM. are there still plenty of jobs?
 
I don't know about other domains
@Blob yes
 
user784668
12:36 AM
@AlexM. Which is less relevant than the Lounge, isn't it?
 
@Fanael Invalidate what actually? Are you even trying to follow me?
 
@Fanael it's relevant to the situation of the educational system
since the IOI is a high school contest
 
haha... good morging @πάνταῥεῖ
*morning
 
@GustavoMaloste you can edit your posts for 2 minutes after posting them. Just click the down arrow.
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ w/e
 
12:38 AM
@Nooble or press the up arrow
 
Ell
TIL about amazon glacier
 
user784668
@AlexM. holy crap TIL
 
@AlexM. That's a thing!?
It's a thing!
 
@Nooble And don't miss to tell him you're the secret king of eucalization here!
 
@Nooble lol
 
user784668
12:39 AM
Also fuck Phil Dowd.
 
who?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I promote eucality among people.
 
Thanks @Nooble, An absolute noobie here
 
@Nooble i'm going to star all your puns from now on
 
these last 4 months of college will be the worst
 
12:41 AM
@Blob Do corny jokes also koalafy?
 
user784668
@Blob A football "referee" who's the sole reason for manure being in the sixth round of the FA cup.
 
@Nooble yes
 
@AlexM. What about them?
 
wait, will SO do something stupid to be if i star the same person too many times?
 
28 mins ago, by Alex M.
I hate colleeegeeee
and I have 4 months left
 
12:41 AM
@Nooble So eucalize legalism (and sexism, racism, any-ism and all of the f***ing rest!)!!!
 
@Blob Maybe, but I'm not a person.
 
I hope there will be some CSV stuff at the webdev exam
I want to use LOAD DATA INFILE
I always wanted to use that somewhere
 
@GustavoMaloste "An absolute noobie here" Obviously! Just watch and wonder ...
 
I haven't written a single line of webdev in my life.
 
@Nooble You should be proud of that! It's nothing heroic involved about this!
 
12:44 AM
@Nooble does html count? My school's introCS course includes html which I'm having to do -.-
 
@Blob It's overrated ...
 
hopefully it'll skip css and go to python, which comes next
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm pure!
 
i'm pure at heart; i'd rather not fail a piss easy CS course just to maintain physical purity, though
 
@Nooble As can be. I'm proud of you <3 ...
 
12:46 AM
@Blob They should just have you create a myspace page
And be 12 again
 
No responses, but I'll try...
Why is fibonacci classic algorithm O(2^n)??
Why is not O(n), since for a N the recursion will occur exactly N times?
 
user784668
@GustavoMaloste It's not O(2^n), it's O(fib(N)).
 
@GustavoMaloste Make a tree
 
@GustavoMaloste Fin(n) calls Fib(n-1) and Fib(n-2). It calls itself twice.
 
Yes, but it will call itself only N times
 
12:47 AM
@GustavoMaloste because learn to calculate complexities and find out for yourself
 
@GustavoMaloste It depends if your implementation is naive or not
 
@Fanael Wasn't FIBO solution recursive?
 
@GustavoMaloste Draw a tree
 
@GustavoMaloste Doesn't that simply mean it's finite?
 
@GustavoMaloste it'd be linear if it was Fib(n)->Fin(n-1)->Fib(n-2), etc. It's not. It branches off into two every time.
 
12:49 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Moment Shadow Mapping
 
@Blob In the naive case, yes. Not in the memoized case.
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ What?
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara he asked about the classic algorithm
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara i thought we were specifically talking about the naive case?
 
12:49 AM
He didn't say so
 
yes he did
 
3 mins ago, by Gustavo Maloste
No responses, but I'll try...
Why is fibonacci classic algorithm O(2^n)??
Why is not O(n), since for a N the recursion will occur exactly N times?
 
> classic
 
> fibonacci classic algorithm
 
12:50 AM
> Why is fibonacci classic algorithm
 
Where does it say naive
 
i took classic to mean naive. what does it mean?
 
pretty sure the classic algorithm does not use memoization
because if we can deviate that much from "classic"
 
Sorry for probably the dumbest question ever about BigO but, as I understood by now, it's computed by the number of calls, is this right?
 
then we might as well just use the non-recursive algorithm :A
 
12:50 AM
Idk what "classic" means other than "usual", and memoized finonacci is pretty usual
 
because you know
he never said the algorithm should be recursive
 
If I log at the begining of fib function, it will log only N times
 
@Fanael Why are you asking us about such boring stuff here, instead of bringing in some interesting points, like what music you like, or what you had for supper today?
 
Fib is defined recursively
 
not if I define it differently
 
12:51 AM
Then it's not classic anymore
 
2 mins ago, by Jeremy
count it
 
@AlexM. Not if you're doing it wrong.
 
int Fibonacci(int n) {
        if (n == 0 || n == 1)
            return n;
        return Fibonacci(n - 1) + Fibonacci(n - 2);
}
pretty sure this is the classic fibonacci
 
Got It
 
And how do you know that isn't memoized
 
12:53 AM
Thanks @milleniumbug
 
@GustavoMaloste That quickly? You're amazing!
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ You want an interesting point? Are you really that greedy that taking other people's opinions isn't enough for you, you want interesting points as well? Fine, have one: (.) = fmap.
 
@GustavoMaloste you could help a bit here you know
 
And @Jeremy
 
like, telling Cicada over there that you're not asking about fancy shit
or telling the room what you mean by "classic", to end all arguments
 
12:54 AM
@Fanael "Fine, have one: (.) = fmap." Meh!
 
I think it's pretty safe to assume that "classic" means Fib(n) = Fib(n-1) + Fib(n-2), especially given the context
 
I don't disagree with that
 
Exactly @Jeremy
 
But you guise seem to be unaware of memoization and that it doesn't need to be explicit
So uh
Nerds
 
why would you take non-explicit things into consideration when calculating the complexity of an algorithm?
 
user784668
12:55 AM
@AMostMajestuousCapybara It does need to be explicit: you need to explicitly use a language where it's implicit.
 
In my experience, when you're talking O-notation about fibonnaci, you're usually in CS theory land anyway
 
@Fanael Let's change topics!
 
You can calculate n-th word of fibonacci sequence in O(log n)
 
Because his question is vague and open to clarification
 
imagine if we had to take compiler optimizations into consideration when trying to find the complexity of something
wooo~
 
12:56 AM
Ubuntu Live CD is amazing.
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I'm not sure what you're expecting to accomplish calling the C++ lounge nerds...
 
without even assuming what it will be compiled with
 
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Worse!
 
@Jeremy I don't know I'm new here
 
user784668
@πάνταῥεῖ Why?
 
12:57 AM
@Fanael Why not?
 
user784668
 

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