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12:06 AM
hahahahahahaha
 
I don't get it..
Waiting for the store to open?
 
Christmas eve, a bunch of guys in front of a jewelry store
before it opens
"oh shit oh shit oh shit, i forgot to buy her a gift"
 
Oh. Christmas shopping
Last minute jewelry.
 
12:20 AM
No offense but there are quit a few basic mistakes in this code. You would do well to get a C++ book or a lengthy tutorial on the subject before continuing. — Borgleader 7 secs ago
i didnt know how else to put it
@TonyTheLion <3
 
I recognize that code :) — sehe 6 secs ago
Huh. There was a plink. I don't see it though
 
^ Funny commercial.
Even though I only understand half of it.
 
How on earth would you figure that was the intended meaning :) (X==0) is always true. Hmm. Also not sure this is doing the OP a service, since obviously having more code to copy/paste is not the right next step for him/her to learn — sehe 1 min ago
 
@sehe Shame someone answered. Its doing OP a disservice in the long run. He/She'll just keep on cargo culting. Almost half the line in the snippets contained an obvious error.
 
Almost?
 
12:31 AM
Well the last 4 of 10
I'm surprised there are so many doing homework on xmas eve
 
12:54 AM
@Borgleader "pls no" would've been better :D
 
@chris "subtly yet fundamentally different semantics" - there's nothing subtle about it. They are completely dissimilar and unrelated. There's no stream redirection at all. — sehe 21 secs ago
@Borgleader OP just mentioned "for concurrency" in a comment. RIP
 
@sehe this will not end well
 
Depending on your appreciations for disaster
 
Whats worse than cargoculting? Cargoculting on multiple threads
 
if {
 (X=0)
how2c++
 
1:08 AM
@набиячлэвэлиь } return 0;
if you look at the original the return 0 was after the closing brace for the function
Now OP added some extra braces for the if, but the opening one is before the condition (as youve shown)
 
Is the OP on crystal meth.
Nothing else makes one write such code.
 
@chris On a practical level, the only useful level to learn a language (c++ in particular) is at the technical level. The sooner the OP fixes his/her "perspective", the better. I don't think singing along is doing the OP a service. (That's not picking words. It's picking objectives) — sehe 46 secs ago
 
yeah, pretty much
 
Oo, cute sweet kitty <3
 
1:18 AM
Kit T. Rex
 
Hey, @Abyx, do you happen to know any good book for learning Russian as an English speaker? (Or for that matter as a Portuguese, French, or German speaker)
Maybe @JerryCoffin knows something too ^?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You speak Portuguese, French, German and English!?
I feel inadequate all of sudden
 
@Borgleader :)
Planning to add Hebrew and Russian to that.
 
T_T
Personally I wanna add Korean and Japanese to my list.
 
Then something artificial.
Lojban or Esperanto. Former is interesting, latter is more likely to be used (though still unlikely)
 
1:25 AM
Artificial?
 
Constructed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I thought you meant like the elf language from LotR or Klingon.
 
Or both, if this attempt at learning two different languages at once works out.
@Borgleader there's more than one Elvish language, but neither has a well-developed vocabulary.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not enough of a fan of LotR to know that unfortunately :P
And while I'm a big fan of ST I can not speak Klingon either
 
1:30 AM
All those fictional languages suffer from underdeveloped vocabularies and all the kind of things that usually evolve in real languages.
 
I heard Hungarian is a unique language because it evolved for a very long time without outside influence.
 
(Though Tolkien's languages are a bit of an exception there; Tolkien was a linguist and "designed" them with the evolutionary intricacies in mind)
 
Sanskrit is also a favorite among nerds.
 
> For instance, while words for transporter ionizer unit (jolvoy’) or bridge (of a ship) (meH) have been known since close to the language's inception, the word for bridge in the sense of a crossing over water (QI) was unknown until August 2012.
 
What can I say, Klingons prefer burning rather than building bridges :)
/cc @ElimGarak
 
1:34 AM
@StackedCrooked not without external influence. It's unusual because it is surrounded by languages of completely different families.
 
It's almost impossible for such isolated evolution to happen.
They'd have to be truly isolated.
> In the 17th century, the language was already very similar to its present-day form, although two of the past tenses were still used. German, Italian and French loans also appeared in the language by these years. Further Turkish words were borrowed during the Ottoman rule of part of Hungary between 1541 and 1699.
But yeah, it's quite unlike anything around it.
 
you know what I don't like about reading/implementing most scientific papers?
you are instantly outside of 99% of the freely available online resources (chat rooms, SO, etc) to get help, but you are still very, very far below the level of the people that wrote the paper
it's a limbo where you're on your own
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes you are so clever man
I hope you always feel good about your life and your achievements
 
1:45 AM
@StackedCrooked bootleg fireworks
 
@orlp I had to look that up :)
Awesome video.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked haha this is hilarious
Oh and Merry Christmas!
 
@Ell I'm happy.
 
Ell
Good :)
 
1:56 AM
Just miss my girlfriend dearly. She couldn't take vacation to come with me to Portugal :(
 
Ell
Aw that is a shame :(
Missing people sucks
I should sleep before Santa gets here
Night @R.MartinhoFernandes and everyone else :)
 
Good night.
 
night Ell & merry Xmas
Elon Musk vs. Jeff Bezos: Who's going to win in space? ... what about Mars one, aren't there at least 3 contenders in the space race?
 
@Ell nn
 
2:22 AM
Merry Xmas
 
^ Stylish OP
Reminds me a bit of Cowboy Bebop
 
2:34 AM
> Error C2280 'BWAPI::Unitset &BWAPI::Unitset::operator =(const BWAPI::Unitset &)': attempting to reference a deleted function
is there a way to figure out why this is deleted?
(its not my code and essentially this turns out to be an unordered_set so im not sure why its deleted)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is your gf a Russian Orthodox jew?
 
@Borgleader The move assignment operator was defined.
 
@Borgleader A member of Unitset has no copy constructor, so Visual Studio deletes the Unitset copy constructor?
 
@StackedCrooked You might be confused with the notation by that name :)
 
@Borgleader It was probably intended to not be copyable. So the real culprit might be the code that triggers this copy.
 
2:40 AM
Actually...
`class Unitset : public SetContainer<BWAPI::Unit, std::hash<void*>>`
but defines only methods
`class SetContainer : public SetContainerUnderlyingT < T, HashT >`
defines a few constructors and 2 methods
`using SetContainerUnderlyingT = std::unordered_set < T, HashT >;`
 
@sehe langHungarian
@Borgleader Btw, why are you working on Christmas? :D
 
So in essence, UnitSet is a std::unordered_set <BWAPI::Unit, std::hash<void*>> with extra methods, where BWAPI::Unit is a typedef for a typedef UnitInterface *Unit;
 
You should be drinking champagne and eating turkey.
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not working, I'm watching x-files and trying to get this to compile.
besides i dont drink alcohol much
 
Wow x-files. That's long ago for me.
 
2:43 AM
theres a new series next year
so im watching them again
 
@StackedCrooked I couldn't tell what was so funny about it until I found this comment:
> If you turn on the captions it's about 10x funnier.
DON'T DO IT. It might kill you
 
@sehe lol
It's true.
"Raina Bob at bar brings you down"
lol
 
That accent is outrageous
 
I am going to attempt to install Arch.
 
@sehe she's an ethnic Jew born in Belarus.
 
2:55 AM
Full points awarded?
@user3886129 Everything's clear. Proceed.
 
Well according to g++ it should compile maybe compiler bug on vs's part?
 
3:09 AM
Netgear sucks
 
@StackedCrooked I'm calling compiler bug on this or something, I added: SetContainer& operator=(const SetContainer& other) { static_cast<SetContainerUnderlyingT<T, HashT>&>(*this) = other; return *this; } and it works now (I'm getting a ton of linker errors but the compilation errors are gone)
wow what happened to this library... 12000 errors and counting
maybe it wasnt tested in vs2015...
 
I woke up this noon, thinking 'nothing to do all day today other than extended family dinner' & was kind of depressed. Then I started to watch video tutorials on how to install the floating bamboo flooring and plan to work on a performance log file in my new android app. I am all happy again!
 
@Borgleader Hm, I remember having weird experiences with move construction/assignment and inheritance.
 
Its not even move, that just copy assign
 
@Borgleader You must be missing a compiler switch or something.
aka you need to switch compiler :D
 
3:16 AM
theres a lot of linker errors regarding "already defined" things
 
That's often caused by functions defined in headers without the "inline" keyword.
Or by simply linking the same code twice :D
 
@StackedCrooked Does the compiler warn for that?
 
It never did that for me.
 
Shouldnt it though? I mean since it'll cause linker errors
compiling in 2013, so far only 6 errors, 5 warnings.
 
I need more paper
 
3:22 AM
what for
 
Equations, I've been burning through them today like crazy. Also, will take cookies. How are you guys spending Xmas / Xeve
 
Trying to get BWAPI to compile
 
Didn't have enough of coding at work today? :D
 
actually no, i had nothing to do at all
 
So, you guys had chair extinguisher races? :P
 
3:25 AM
lol no, i debugged a few things
and setup clang-format on my pc
 
what's the best way to transfer a folder of pictures from mac to PC?
 
Ah, only one car-related fatality in my town this Christmas, nice.
 
@ElimGarak :|
 
@sehe 33 years old. Wet road, let a little bit loose on a particularly high speed road, lost control, death in ditch.
Must suck for the family :/
 
I used to have small dwarf hamsters like these
 
3:33 AM
@sehe Should be IBM.
 
3:51 AM
Ok so what AI technique should I research for making an RTS AI?
 
@Borgleader I think you need an AI that solves incredibly open ended questions first :)
fuck meeee
this paper uses so many symbols that are weird
 
@Borgleader Cheating.
 
Something thats not yknow... boring? :P
I was thinking maybe something along the lines of machine learning somehow?
its kind of a large subject though
 
4:03 AM
just some random symbols from this paper
...
 
@orlp Tadpole, [dunno], some sort of a knife
 
@MarkGarcia no no no
it already has a knife
it also uses †
 
4:26 AM
my god
it isn't even that complicated
but the notation :(
 
4:51 AM
Just saw Star Wars :D
 
@jaggedSpire I have shamed my famiry. My final grade for the Kernugh maps course was C-. :c
 
@ThePhD :C
 
I mean, my Final grade was amazing.
And several standard deviations above the average.
 
But everything else was the tits.
 
5:01 AM
awh
 
Which is probably WHY I got a C- to start with.
So it's not the worst that could have happened.
 
Awwwww hugs
 
I'll know all of my grades by January 4th
And then you all can know just how poorly I've handled my life.
OH, ALSO
 
:(
oh?
 
@CatPlusPlus A long time ago you mentioned something about making a program that redirected audio to different sound devices, while acting as the default sound device for all input/output audio systems.
 
5:03 AM
 
@Feeds but that's no fun
 
I was told by a Microsoft Windows dev that this stuff would be more possible in Windows 10. Now that Windows 10 is here, I think I'm going to pitch making this software as the idea for my Graduate Seminar class.
 
@ThePhD nice!
 
Does anyone know if something similar has already been done/
Annnnd...
Another idea bites the dust. =/
 
@ThePhD "more possible". Heh. The sound mixer doesn't even support WinRT apps.
 
5:14 AM
Well.
There's Jack Audio
And there's CheVolume
Those two seem to be the top-tier...-est, of all of them.
CheVolume is weird, though.
It seems to specifically "patch in" one application at a time to make it work.
Sigh.
 
Though yeah, more possible, as WinRT apps are pretty well-defined compared to desktop programs with multiple exes and whatever.
But MS is too dumb to implement it.
 
So I can't do the audio thing.
And I can't make my own language for stories, because inform7 and other DSL-making language parsers that already cover the problem.
What's left for my graduate seminar's topic exploration? =/
 
Cross platform native UI, as in native controls.
 
That... would be an interesting subject of research.
Wrapping up all the native UI elements
into standard things
that transcend the different machines.
Kind of like how Furrovine erases the graphics and OS-specific API underneath it
Just doing that for the native UI components...
I think this would be a pretty great idea.
 
Well it's on my mind for a couple of weeks now.
 
5:19 AM
@MarkGarcia I don't own a Mac though. So I guess I'd only be able to work on it for Linux and Windows...
I guess it'd be a C++ Framework, since that language can talk to the native control APIs on all platforms...
For Mac, I'd wrap their... Cocoa? Stuff I guess
 
@ThePhD I'm still working on an Audio metering application, which maybe could be extended to be a front end for an audio server.
 
For Linux, it'd be wrapping up... Gnome....?
@edition "Audio metering"?
 
@ThePhD Yup. It's more practically done in C++. Every platform at least supports it, and for example in Android, you could bind other-language-UI stuff to it.
 
@MarkGarcia What are the 3 native UI APIs that you'd have to wrap up?
Considering JUST desktop applications
We're... not going to think about phones just yet. .-.
 
@ThePhD XAML (doable through COM), Android and iOS stuff. I haven't explored the latter two much.
 
5:22 AM
@ThePhD or, audio monitoring.
 
How far back does XAML go on C++ for Windows?
As far back as Windows Vista, I guess?
 
@ThePhD Actually I think it's simpler with mobile platforms as you get more parity on functionality.
 
@ThePhD it was called Avalon.
 
@ThePhD But it's all .NET stuff there. Though there's that COM ribbon framework.
 
@MarkGarcia Already done for phones.
We can actually use that page
 
5:23 AM
@ThePhD Yup, but I'd like some native code too. :)
 
for our "Forms".
As a checklist/TODO page.
And we can do it in native C++.
 
@MarkGarcia I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN THIRTY YEARS.
 
@user3886129 thanks
@ThePhD How about a common shading language for Vulkan and DX12? Compiling to SPIR-V and HLSL bytecode?
 
ITT nooble saw mark garcia in the last life time :p
 
Tho you'd have to wait for Vulkan.
 
5:26 AM
@Telkitty Next we'll see Pubby.
And pawnguy.
 
@MarkGarcia SPIR-V spec is out, and this is ACTUALLY one of my areas I want to research.
 
rip
 
And GuruAdrian.
 
@ThePhD :D
 
@user3886129 RIP
 
5:27 AM
Problem is, the Professor was iffy when I brought this first idea to her. "I don't know if building a compiler is suitable for this course."
5
A: Windows native GUI programming on C++

TooToneAs an alternative to the solid and proven solutions proposed so far, if you are happy to target Windows 8 and above, then Microsoft is pitching C++ as a principal language -- if not the principal language -- for developing native GUI, "native" meaning not HTML5/javascript. The Microsoft people wh...

It'd work only for Windows 8 and above, apparently.
 
For some reason, boost log isnt creating a file, y u do dis to me
 
@user3886129 but next lifetime you might get reincarnated into a giant crocodile and we will all run away from you :p
 
(Or people with the latest .NET Framework on their computer, which would include Windows 7 users I guess. No need to support XP.)
 
@Telkitty Crocodiles are nice people.
 
hello good people of this planet
merry christmas to you all
except for maybe jagged and sporgleader because slow time zones
 
5:32 AM
But yeah, @MarkGarcia, if I can't get the compiler stuff to work, I'll definitely try to hard-pitch HLSL -> SPIR-V compilation, and SPIR-V to HLSL.
 
go hard or go home
 
@jaggedSpire Did you do anymore drawing? :D
 
@nick wat
It ain't Christmas for you yet, Silly.
 
@user3886129 merry christmas to you young nooble
 
wwwoooopps i was testing with a log level lower than the filter
im an idiot
 
5:35 AM
@ThePhD You could also target LLVM for what I think to be easier codegen (with all the tools and stuff).
 
@Borgleader you get coal this year
 
@nick I am a young adult.
 
ok, so logging is a go :)
 
@user3886129 lol how late. noon at Dec 25 here.
 
now i get to do fun stuff
 
5:36 AM
@MarkGarcia pacific time zone masterrace
 
Though telkitty beats me into timezones.
 
can't hear you over all these beaches and stuff
 
@edition beats me in the timezone issue, I still lag two hours behind him @MarkGarcia
 
@nick UTC -5:00 master race.
 
@user3886129 thanks to you my dad has had to get up 3 hrs earlier than anybody on the east coast every weekday for like his entire career
 
5:39 AM
@telkitty can I work for you?
 
markets should open at 8:00 pacific time
 
@nick But you never knew your father.
 
yeah cuz he was always at work
 
:c
We should just merge into to a unified weast coast.
 
timezones should not even be a thing
 
5:42 AM
Speaking of time, my fancy automatic watch has deviated 5 minutes ever since last week.
@nick I think I need to get a fancy European one.
 
get the omega seamaster planet ocean
 
I'm not a thousanaire.
Also speedmaster master race.
 
hm not bad
 
@edition As a construction labour for the next building project, yes. But the earliest time that would happen is late next year. As a developer for my app business, you will probably get paid below minimum wage because the business itself is not making that much money :p
 
i like the bezel
what is the min. wage in australia?
 
5:46 AM
@nick If you want a supercomplication take a look at any one of my git repos.
 
lolol
i could save myself 20 million by forking one
wow australian min. wage is like 12.6 USD
 
@nick Probably enough to make me happy.
 
thats higher than here
australia so progressive
 
Do you know what you can do with $12?
 
buy .1 PBT keycap
 
5:49 AM
You could buy 2^-32 of a PBT keycap.
Did you know Pok3r RGB is coming out?
I would get one but I like eating lunch.
 
rgb is for lames
its like buying a watch with purple rhinestones
 
Violet is my favorite color.
 
i highly enjoy a good shade of light blue myself
 
I remember in 1st grade we were forced to reveal to the entire class our favorite colors as some sort of ice breaker.
Everyone said either blue or red or pink.
 
ive done that like every year even in college
@user3886129 AND THEN WHAT
 
5:54 AM
BUT I SAID VIOLET.
 
OMG
i bet you got bullied a lot for that amirite
 
@nick They usually ask for an interesting fact about yourself.
 
"there's nothing interesting about me"
 
@nick Yeah I get flashbacks.
 
lol right
 
5:56 AM
@nick Nah but there's always that one asshole.
 
at your exclusive private school
 
"~I always read the book before watching the movie~~~"
"I am vegan"
 
hallo
dumb question time
 
Dumb answer time.
 
You could...
 
5:58 AM
 
You could not ask it.
 
You know it's coming and everything.
 
always
it is more of a simple question that i don't know how to word the question in order to search
 
Then how are you gonna ask us, silly.
 
6:00 AM
anyways, i have an object that takes a pointer/array (must be on heap) in construction
 
Horrible.
 
ikr
in the constructor how can i pass an anonymous array allocated on heap
 
How does that constrictor determine if the pointer points to an object that is allocated on heap?
 
there will be a fun runtime exception on clean up
the object takes ownership of the pointer essentially
 
@MichaelMitchell Need moar pointar.
 
6:02 AM
@MichaelMitchell Pointer to temporary is against the bible.
 
all teh pointar
yeah
i don't want temporary
 
> Anonymous
 
i want to pass something like new int[]{3, 4, 5}
 
You can't, you have to pass in pointer.
Of course, you can be reasonable and sane and use a container.
Like std::vector or something.
 
id rather not do that since it won't be modified after construction
i guess it is more clean tho
 
6:05 AM
So...
Pass a std::vector.
By value.
Problem solved.
If you don't want it to be resizable after construction, pass a std::unique_ptr<T[]>, and also pass the size alongside it.
 
you can pass uptr without move?
 
...
Why would you
NOT move
 
i like to move it move it?
 
You WANT it to take ownership of the pointer
Therefore you move it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like a textbook? nope, how would I know?
 
6:14 AM
 
thanks all for your time, i learned what std::initializer_list is
it is very nice
 
you're welcome :)
 
so i have my list of things in my initializer_list, all i play on doing with it is iterating over it every now and then, should i just store the initializer_list or put the data in an array?
is an initializer_list essentially a fixed vector?
 

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