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12:04 AM
Which looks cooler to you, the pistol or the revolver?
 
user1804599
The bazooka.
 
now now
lol
 
Why does that make me think of a lounger >.>
 
in my home town someone once shot with a bazooka at a money transportation vehicle
 
Stupid NFS
 
user1804599
12:05 AM
@StackedCrooked lol
 
user1804599
All money burnt.
 
Can't find any recent information whether inotify over NFS works or not
@rightfold They tend to be pretty armoured
 
@StackedCrooked o.O wut...
 
it was back in 1996
 
user1804599
They just shoot back with another bazooka.
 
12:07 AM
@ScarletAmaranth you have to learn how to practice. s/study/practice/ maybe
 
user1804599
I would try to attack a money transportation vehicle if I had a 1TW laser, but I don’t so everyone’s safe.
 
@Borgleader fyi it was a robbery :)
 
No, REALLY?
 
real story
 
12:08 AM
I just thought it was an unfortunate bazooka-related accident
 
@StackedCrooked I figured but... I also think the rocket would have blown up the money along with the truck
 
@Jefffrey I'm not sure why you posted that. But that's an impressive amount of pubic hair
 
"Sorry, the trigger, uh, is p sensitive"
 
I have no attention span
 
12:09 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Some boring people ate the topic. loungecpp.net [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [c++-faq]
 
@rightfold Lol. That's a logical flaw of epic proportions. "Syrians are safe because Zoidberg does not have a TW laser"
 
user1804599
They are relatively safe.
 
Stuff doesn't just disappear when being blown up. It's just more fragmented.
 
user1804599
If I had a 1TW laser, they would be less safe.
 
user1804599
I wonder what happens if you point a 1TW laser on a mirror and activate it.
 
user1804599
12:10 AM
Would the mirror melt?
 
@rightfold not fast enough to prevent bodily in the reflection
 
user1804599
I think all air would be gone in a 10m radius around the beam, though.
 
I think this should be one of Randall's What-ifs
 
user1804599
> It appears that you are currently using Ad Blocking software. What are the consequences? Click here to learn more.
 
user1804599
The consequences are that I don’t see shitty annoying ads.
 
12:16 AM
(this was also in my home town)
Oostkamp
 
Is X() (temporary value) an object?
 
yes
 
what else would it be :)
 
of course
 
user1804599
12:20 AM
Depends on the return type of X.
 
user1804599
It may be void or a reference type.
 
@StackedCrooked I dunno, it's late and I have doubts on everything
 
user1804599
Go to sleep.
 
Also I've always thought you couldn't take the address of a temporary value
 
it's not so late
 
12:22 AM
@Jefffrey Depends on how hard you want to try.
 
user1804599
Yes, but you are an insomniac.
 
you cannot take the address of an rvalue but it's trivial to convert such to an lvalue anyways.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey that’s what she said.
 
that's awful of you
 
oh come on, it's just testing, you know I would never overload operator&
 
@Jefffrey nice
 
user3010322
I overload operator& on one of my classes.
4
 
user3010322
It's p. useful.
 
user1804599
12:24 AM
You suck.
 
lol
 
you all suck
 
I am a genius.
 
@ThePhD outside expression templates, that's... well, typical of you :)
 
user3010322
@sehe It's useful! I swear, it's really useful. :c
 
user3010322
12:28 AM
Especially when dealing with com and stuff~
 
I'll just disagree and go to bed.
 
user3010322
;~;
 
yeah me too
 
user3010322
But... but but..
 
user3010322
Sigh. Good night. :c
 
12:29 AM
That's not /useful/. That's bad API design ideas
 
I have never observed any useful overload of operator&.
 
@ThePhD What does it /do/? Return ::QueryInterface(..., IID_IUnkown)?!
 
probably one of the pointer-to-pointer things.
 
user3010322
@sehe It's for when you have something in a unique_ptr and you need to pass it to a pesky C-style function that takes **, like InitializeXAudio( ..., &my_unique_xaudioengine_ptr );
 
user1804599
Hee dikke zeugen, ik ga slapen.
 
12:31 AM
so basically
he traded poor semantics in favour of prettier syntax
 
user3010322
I don't see how it's poor semantics.
 
you don't think that &obj not returning T* isn't going to be a horribly nasty surprise for some poor person?
 
user3010322
My expectation when I used unique_ptr was that &my_ptr would behave identical to T*.
 
@ThePhD sooo. auto tmp = up.get(); InitializeXAudio( ..., &tmp); up.reset(tmp);
 
@ThePhD It does- where T is unique_ptr, as it should be.
 
12:33 AM
@ThePhD That would be such an exquisitely bad idea.
 
@sehe You can do better with a function- i.e. InitializeXAudio(..., ptrptr(up));. It's not actually tremendously simple.
 
audio speakers are like magic
 
Smart pointers are about safety
 
user3010322
Quite honestly, I don't ever see anyone needing the address of a smart pointer in the history of forever and into the far future.
 
user3010322
I decided it was a good trade for this kind of pointer.
 
12:34 AM
@sehe are you sure you are stressing the right word?
 
the address of a smart pointer is just as useful as the address of a raw pointer.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes. Stress is what I'm all about
 
primarily
it's highly useful to take the address of any type T; regardless of whether or not T is a smart pointer.
happens all the time in all kinds of useful generic code.
 
@ThePhD, is there a better way of filling zeros than:

std::vector<double> zeros(vec.size() - i);
vec.insert(vec.end(), zeros.begin(), zeros.end());
 
the Standard containers are protected by requiring them to use std::addressof but many are not.
 
12:35 AM
@Annie std::vector<double> zeros(vec.begin(), vec.end()-1)
@DeadMG oh, I'm sure ThePhD has specialized/overloaded std::addressof for his types :)
 
user3010322
That's not true. ;~;
 
@sehe, I need to fill zeros at the end of vec.
 
user3010322
Mmph. I need to figure out const-ness all the way down...
 
@ThePhD I also disapprove of const in many ways.
 
@Annie put your stuff in, then resize and supply 0
 
12:40 AM
cool
leme try
 
resize() is required to fill any new elements with T(), if I recall correctly.
for double that would be 0.0.
 
@DeadMG resize also takes a value argument :v
 
can do
I'm merely pointing out that in this case it's unnecessary.
simply resizing to the desired size would be sufficient.
 
@ThePhD I did that, but then I dropped it. Now I just to ptrptr(stuff)
 
@ThePhD people like you (and C++ of course) are the reason we have to have std::addressof to be sure we are taking the address of an object
shame on you :P
 
12:43 AM
yes, it's mighty inconvenient to have to use std::addressof when writing generic code
 
user3010322
Blame C++. vOv
 
yeah, C++ is such an enabler :p
 
well, to be sure, it should certainly not offer this feature at all, since there is only abuse of it.
on the other hand, that does not excuse you from choosing to abuse it.
 
@DeadMG you are wasting your breath, he is not changing his mind
 
yeah, none of us will ever use Furrovine anyways so it doesn't really matter.
 
user3010322
12:44 AM
^ These.
 
lol
 
and even if he changed his code, it would not change the fact that other people will not change theirs and so std::addressof would still be necessary.
why the fuck won't premake generate the right files in x86 release mode.
 
what are you premaking?
 
Wide.
 
20 mins ago, by sehe
@ThePhD outside expression templates, that's... well, typical of you :)
 
12:47 AM
I've never seen it used in expression templates.
although I guess that theoretically it could have some use there.
 
Well.
 
I grow to accept that the crazy shit people can use expression templates for is, well, crazy.
 
It's just an operator. So, if you want to make &expr mean something, there you go
 
well, sure, I just can't imagine any case where I'd want &expr to mean something else.
 
you lack imagination
 
12:49 AM
even with || I can see that you could make an argument for some types like future<T>.
 
user3010322
"Pointer to what you're holding, not what you are"
 
user3010322
Is a good excuse for me. :D
 
@DeadMG yeah I liked that in the proposals
 
well
it does actually retain short-circuiting behaviour which I think is nice.
well, if you view it from some perspective anyway
 
@ThePhD Leaky Abstractions are holding us back
/night all
 
user3010322
12:52 AM
Night.
 
night
 
night
 
99
btw ~_~ ... just logged on for the toast & ... umm ... jam
 
user3010322
Lol
 
user3010322
100+ overloads.
 
user3010322
1:05 AM
Man, I did some stupid shit.
10
 
excuse me but I just have to star that
 
1:41 AM
old
 
What's programming?
 
I like the t-shirt tho
 
1:57 AM
@MohammadAliBaydoun A way to make a living by living a making.
Oh, and hi all.
 
when needed, use makefile
hey Jerry
 
So. What is it about C++ that makes people go into full retard bashing mode?
 
hi friends!
does anyone would share a link to an openGL tutorial up to date about VBO ?
 
VBO?
 
vertex buffer object
@bobthegoblinslayer arcsynthesis.org/gltut probably
 
2:11 AM
@Rapptz thx, I'll take a look
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Hard to understand the language many times.
 
C++ is a pretty weird language, imo.
 
Ugh, my leg keeps going numb :<
 
get a new one
 
The uterus I came out of gave me no documentation at all.
 
2:22 AM
no documentation & full of bugs/malfunctionings ...
my heart goes to you :'(
 
huh that's strange... mine did
 
2:40 AM
have fun ladies!
 
Is the Jam on or what
where is everyone
 
c-faq.com/ptrs/castincr.html would this answer be same if void* was used in place of int*
 
Don't use void*
 
Why not! I read that a void* is a generic type of pointer
 
2:56 AM
not type safe
 
@shortCircuit No
@shortCircuit The facts that the answer mentions would be the same, but you'd have the additional problem that pointer arithmetic on void makes no sense and cannot be accomplished.
 
Ok.. void* needs to be converted to int or char or anyother datatype before being dereferenced ..
 
Well, not really "any other". You should use the correct pointer type. The one that actually describes the type of the pointee.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ...at least with a properly functioning compiler (but some real ones, such as gcc, allow it anyway, doing the arithmetic as if it were a char *).
 
3:09 AM
Yes, it can point to structures and function as well, I have to be careful of when I use it. Although templates in c++ are better. Although I have read upto virtual inheritance yesterday .
 
The cat in my avatar is seriously cute ... I wonder whether it is photoshopped
 
 
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5:03 AM
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user255488I am an Indian. My name is NIL KAMAL HAZRA. Previously, it was NILKAMAL HAZRA (i.e., there was no space in between 'NIL' and 'KAMAL'). Now I want to do my passport. If I enroll my name as NIL KAMAL HAZRA (i.e., with space in between 'NIL' and 'KAMAL') to make my passport - whether will it create ...

^^ dafuq
 
@Mysticial It has to be a troll.
I'm having a hard time believing this is a legit question (i.e someone not trolling meta.SO) — Borgleader 15 secs ago
^ proper usage of i.e. ?
 
@Borgleader Yes. "i.e." is short for id est, which translates roughly to "that is".
 
ah good
 
The common confusion is with "e.g.", which is short for "exampli gratis", which translates roughly as: "for example".
 
@JerryCoffin Free example.
 
5:16 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Emphasis on "roughly". "Free example" is more accurate as a literal translation, but sort of misses the real meaning.
 
@Mysticial Welp, thx for dat free flag :D (I cant VTC so, I flagged as wtf are you asking)
 
5:58 AM
I wonder which country produces the most trolls
Although it is a bit hard, because people in S.E. Asia could be trolling in Chinese or Japanese
 
 
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7:06 AM
but seriously ... is the game jam on, coz I have been coding on & off for the past 2 - 3 hours ...
 
yeah
 
 
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8:11 AM
@sehe I don’t like calling TCP a leaky abstraction.
 
user1804599
RAM can fail, so about every abstraction ever is leaky.
 
user1804599
In fact, I don’t like any part of the article.
 
user1804599
It’s not constructive at all. It just complains about leaky abstractions and that’s it.
 
8:27 AM
seriously ... where is everyone?
 
Why are students very confused about the concept of recursion?
 
user1804599
Because they are dumb.
 
user1804599
Students in my college were confused about the concept of logarithms. vOv
 
Yeah you're right @rightfold Standford students yet "they're dumb"?
 
because you have to understand recursion to understand recursion
 
8:30 AM
I've heard that joke @sudorm-rfTelkitty before
 
user1804599
Where you are doesn’t say anything about your intelligence.
 
Not to create an argument, but I guess if you live under a rock, then you can program .( according to you @rightfold)
 
user1804599
I never said that.
 
user1804599
Try again.
 
user1804599
My friend lives under a rock, and all he can do is make music, but hell he can’t program at all.
 
8:34 AM
I didn't know lawyers, bankers and accountants live under rocks ...
to be fair, some bankers can program
 
Well then, how do we deal with this "dumbness of theirs"?
 
excel VBA
We hack into their accounts and steal their identities, then we can rule the world ...
 
Changing subjects, what do you guys think of this:
"I've been using Vim for about 2 years now, mostly because I can't figure out how to exit it."
https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/435555976687923200
 
user1804599
I think he should open another terminal window and give Emacs a try.
 
No a bad comment @rightfold... I'll give that a C++
 
user1804599
8:40 AM
dat pun
 
@rightfold well, you can either know they are a thing and just use them, understand how and where they come from, or be dumb...
 
user1804599
I want brie.
 
user1804599
> I think we’ve turned into a society of craven cowards. I hope that doesn’t offend. Actually I hope it does offend. Quite a lot, actually.
 
@rightfold I don't understand what you really mean. It's 1:44 am here,so I better get some sleep.
Bye everyone!!! and by the way I like the old name better ("Lounge<Canadian Politics>")
 
user1804599
It’s a quote.
 
user1804599
9:04 AM
Man. Those morons who don’t have their children vaccinated against measles should be sentenced for child abuse.
 
    Game game{ window, 4 };
    std::thread gamethread{ &Game::Play, std::ref(game) };
^how in the hell is the constructor still running when that thread starts working? o.O
 
user1804599
It isn’t.
 
user1804599
You are doing it terribly wrong.
 
when I'm debugging it jumps between the two :E
 
user1804599
Constructor calls are blocking.
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
They don’t run on another thread.
 
9:45 AM
@rightfold I know right!
 
user1804599
I don’t understand why it’s not compulsory yet.
 
because some fuck tards produce some very shit papers saying there might be a risk. And despite them being complete bullshit, the risk still being far less than actual getting sick with that shit, and later scientists showing to the contrary people still use it as proof vaccines are bad
 
user1804599
Well, it’s remarkable that most of the children not vaccinated live in the Bible Belt. :v
 
user1804599
But that’s probably offensive and now I’m a bad person.
 
user1804599
9:55 AM
Lol it’s rendered like ++C.
 
10:19 AM
#define far
#define near
fuck you minwindef.h
 
10:51 AM
hola
 
hi
 
11:09 AM
stop being productive guys, or this room is going to die :P
 
And some random guy like me will take over.
 
user1804599
No, he won’t.
 
Thanks, magic 8 ball.
 
ruining hopes since 2012, @rightfold ™
 
user1804599
Since 2010.
 
user1804599
11:15 AM
Or perhaps 2011. I’ve been here for ages.
 
mmm, I first came here in 2011, what nick did you use then? daknok?
 
user1804599
I think so.
 
user1804599
Ask @sehe.
 
who actually created this room originally?
 
@rightfold we've all been here too long
how's the jam going?
 
user1804599
11:22 AM
Not.
 
oh?
 
@thecoshman any idea whose sick idea it was to create this soul-eating lounge?
 
user1804599
oh!
 
user1804599
Oct 15 '10 at 7:55, by vaibhav
anyone dere..?
 
@ScarletAmaranth IIRC it wasn't called the Lounge on the 1st day
 
11:32 AM
@rightfold And Ell was the first one to join of the people that are still active :)
 
@Jefffrey @Abyx was just a teeny tiny bit later
 
yup
 
so what happened to the game jam?
did people not obther in the end?
 
@thecoshman it's going right now
 
Oct 19 '10 at 21:19, by Rich
I Guess C++ is dead ... should have listened when they told me. Maybe I'll try out the C# room.
lol
 
11:34 AM
I know it should be, but are people actually taking part?
 
I'm still trying to pull myself up and start working on it
 
the problem with having a game jam that's so long is that effectively, people aren't competing in the same part of the time period.
so we're not really having a group bash on it in the same way as the 2h or 5h varieties.
as far as I'm aware there are several people competing with it
 
I thought a longer jam would mean more time put into making better/bigger games
 
presumably, it does.
 
@thecoshman yeah I felt the same but in the end I'm too lazy to do anything =(
 
11:36 AM
well not if it's just letting people put together something in a few hours that work for them
 
it just also means that different people, especially in different timezones, are going to sleep/work/shit for different parts of the time period.
 
actually I thought that I'll write a game engine before the jam, or that I'll learn a graphic library. welp it didn't happen
 
11:59 AM
shit I'm afraid I'm not gonna make it this time either
 
@AndyProwl you still have 4-5 hours, you can do it! :=
 
I think there's like zero hope
 
:c
 
user1804599
in Java Sucks, 4 hours ago, by Jire
u noobs mad because Java > *??
 
user1804599
lol
 
12:10 PM
crappity crap, can't figure out what's wrong with my normals and depth channel :E
 
12:25 PM
wow you guys are doing cool stuff
 
Anyone with a tablet could try this: painter.vosnax.ru
Does it kill chrome when you try to save the image? also if someone has an Ipad... does it work at all?
 
12:47 PM
@melak47 why is it Japanese?
 
I don't know ._.
 
isn't it something you made?
 
no matter what I try to put as the title, it comes out looking japanese :p
messed up codepage or something? I haven't even touched any of that though...
 
@melak47 doesn't look like a problem with normals.. you don't seem to use the depth buffer.
if you don't use it, you'll have to order how you draw things so thing behind are drawn first
 
I've done everything I can think of to make use of it. I'm debugging crap :v
 
12:52 PM
did you glEnable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)​. ?
also you have to clear the buffer too
 
man I thought people were crazy for telling me I should sleep at night and wake up in the morning
but now PC games do it too
there's no hope for me
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I know. I'm using DX btw :p
 
it's only morning when I wake up damnit
I'm normal as fuck
 
@melak47 time to convert!
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'm learning, but I'm in the middle of a jam here :p
 
12:55 PM
@AlexM. what game is it?
 
hate plus, the sequel to analogue: a hate story
two very awesome games about a lot of stuff, but mostly the oppression of women in a future ancient-like society
and sex
the sequel seems to be about sex entirely, which somewhat worries me; I thought I was supposed to learn some backstory lol
 
ah visual novel as I suspected
 
DID SOMEONE MENTION SEX? @Tony
 
still, I'm only like 20% through
 
@rightfold oh. I don't think I've ever read /that/ article. Point is, leaky abstractions can be avoided. .get(), .release(). weak_ptr::lock, are all in that vein. In fact many times going the verbose route (e.g. explicit constructors, not parameter decay rules) is just a way to avoid "leaky sugar"
 
1:00 PM
@AlexM. a story about sex?
@sehe ^ look I stressed "about" too :)
 
then I was misguided by the advertising •_•
 
removed the unrelated c++ tag. If you really wanted to ask "How to copy a file in C++", then the search box was your area — sehe 5 secs ago
 
no one has 5 min to test my html painter :(
 
@StackedCrooked I had similarly stressed "leaky sugar"
 
> Let's spend the next three real-time days together uncovering the mystery of what went horribly wrong on a derelict generation ship, with the help of a spunky/more-than-slightly-traumatized AI sidekick!
so not exactly that lol
 
1:02 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I just reached the verdict! It's too slow. If it takes 5 minutes ;)
 
what takes 5 minutes?
 
@AlexM. doesn't sound too bad
 
yup, I must have picked the wrong logs to read first I guess
 
gah, I don't know what's going on. I return the depth I get in my pixel shader, and I see something...but when I debug it the pixel shader output is completely empty, and so is the depth buffer
my pixels have negative depth :E
 
user1804599
1:29 PM
termios is such a terrible API.
 
user1804599
Is /dev/tty always the current tty? % ls /dev | grep tty lists a shitload of things.
 
22
A: What is special about /dev/tty?

laherThe 'c' means it's a character device. tty is a special file representing the 'controlling terminal' for the current process. Character Devices Unix supports 'device files', which aren't really files at all, but file-like access points to hardware devices. A 'character' device is one which is i...

lern2search
 
user1804599
OIC.
 
2:26 PM
wow
such ded
much calmness
am I doing it right?
 
Are we experiencing The Great Lounge Depression?
 
user1804599
That’s every day.
 
user1804599
I’m so bored.
 
so I'm tried to use SDL and now I'm crying with bloody tears x_x
also I use cmake. please shoot me
 
2:46 PM
it's funny. when I started programming I also dabbled with SDL.
and that was 10 years ago
 
well now it's SDL 2.x
and cmake doesn't have a finder module for it
 
user1804599
@Abyx Two times the shit!
 
yep
 
user1804599
3:29 PM
erlang-mode is really great.
 

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