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12:00 AM
Who fed Rapptz and The Lion?
 
@MooingDuck Eventually, they got divorced yes. But it wasn't immediately after the accusations or even the conviction.
 
@milleniumbug Yes it really is. The wording could be changed to trained, or untrained.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Which wording?
 
@milleniumbug blind?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Oh, that.
The people here focus on what's important to them (explaining properly the path)
and dismiss the rest
Brain can't follow everything, so it lies that everything is all right after the swap.
So it's like a blind spot in our eyes ;)
 
12:09 AM
Brain can't follow that std::cout > nsa by default.
 
std::cout > NSA? Yeah, why do we need NSA when we have std::cout. (sorry, sentence parse failure)
 
NSA: tee stuff >&42 ?
 
Oh, that dumplink - just save it in /dev/null
 
std::cerr << "NSA please debug my code";
Nation Stacktrace Analysis
 
So
It seems like scripting languages are actually being... deprecated, for the most part. o.0
I mean, talking to a lot of industry people... they're making a lot more visual-code tools (like flowcharts / trigger-charts / event diagrams, like Kismet)
 
12:21 AM
The problem with things like Kismet is a) You still need a programmer to make all the nodes, b) A simple math operation can easily become retardedly huge
 
Well, you need to have robust support for creating complex math equations for a single node.
 
I wish the UDK material editor did... ffs I made a shader the other day where I was sampling a texture multiple times to get a blurrish effect
Node explosion
 
Hm.
Perhaps it would be best to have a scripting language, and then build the visual tool on top of that...
Or, just have a serializing / data declaration language behind it.
 
Were you there when I mentioned Kismet graphs can be pasted to and from notepad?
 
@rightfold What editor do you use when programming Haskell?
 
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12:28 AM
Vim.
 
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I use Vim for everything.
 
Yeah, you can develop anything with Vim.
Including RSI.
 
@Borgleader YEah, I was.
I'm looking at serialization/deserialization and reflection tech for C++.
 
12:44 AM
@Will even bitmaps
 
@MooingDuck You can develop BMP files with assembler. I did.
 
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@Will Indeed, as you can with all other editors.
 
@rightfold But VIM's default key bindings are particularly sinister and evil!
(Things got a lot better after I radically remapped a whole bunch of keys.)
 
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You know.
 
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foreach_reverse is really an ugly keyword in D.
 
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12:50 AM
Phobos uses camelCase.
 
reinterpret_cast
 
itlooks_inconsistent
 
goto
go_to
 
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@MooingDuck C++ uses snake_case in the standard library (with some fugly exceptions) so it's quite consistent.
 
oh, I hadn't noticed the inconsistency
 
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12:51 AM
What I would like even better would be something like foreach (x; reverse(xs)).
 
@rightfold do you know any exceptions in C++?
 
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@MooingDuck std::ios_base::Init.
 
@rightfold ah
 
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But D uses snake_case for keywords but camelCase for the standard library. :(
 
I call this CamelCase and this dromedarisCase.
 
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12:55 AM
PascalCase and camelCase. :P
 
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Or C#Case, c++_case and dCase!
 
So which of us is the basket case?
 
howdy pipples
 
cse (C case)
 
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gear-case :3
 
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12:58 AM
SQL CASE
 
Default
 
You know what makes me cry? The number of includes that happens when you type #include <functional> in MSVC
 
So I had an interview today...went pretty well. Now my sis may be heading into organ failure, I think the head unit for my super charger is about go blow up, the conv. top won't go up and I can't even get a flight the fuck outta here. But I repcapped so there's that I guess.failure
 
@CaptainObvlious hooray repcaP!
 
@MooingDuck yeah I know right. few more times and I can change my name to quacking cow ;)
blah I want a burger
oh and I got a couple more stinkin' badges. Sad that SO is the only thing right today. Ok I'm done bitchin
" " - Clear Case
d_o_u_c_h_e_b_a_g_C_A_S_E
 
1:27 AM
c-can I please be a crustacean now?
 
@CaptainObvlious When I read that I thought you meant your sister, not your system. I felt very sad for a few seconds
 
@Borgleader I do mean my sister
thanks though
 
Oh =/ Well I'm sorry to hear that.
Ohhhh now I get it. Your car is having trouble and you can't find a flight?
 
his system is heading to organ failure and he went on an interview and went pretty well?
well, there there ...
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 system as in computer
the super charger bit confused me, I'm not big on cars
so i thought it was an exotic computer part i wasnt aware of
 
1:35 AM
The news I had was from this afternoon and I just got an update. she's a bit better sort of
 
(yknow for overclocking)
@CaptainObvlious Lets hope it keeps going that way :)
 
her pulse was 30bpm and had been for a while. before that they don't know how low it was or for how long
 
Oh damn, that's low =/
I think?
 
hope your sister get better
 
thanks. SO is my refuge tonight. gonna try my damnedest not to go flag happy lol
 
1:37 AM
speaking of which, my grandma was having some emergency issues too the last few days
but she's 101
 
wow! I don't even know what to say to that
except maybe...your grandma is 5?
 
dat binary joke
 
doh. phone. brb
 
I suppose the phone call didn't went well
 
improvement. she's still classified as critical because of her bp but it's jumping between 40 and 45. She's awake and somewhat alert but the meds they have her on have her all groggy and shit. But she's making an huge effort to check herself out so at least she's still a pain in the ass
 
1:51 AM
@CaptainObvlious For what it is worth: I'm sorry :(
 
@Jeffrey it's worth a lot
 
2:04 AM
Tel
 
Telephone I assume
 
2:22 AM
no teletubbies lol
@Jeffrey I got up to get a drink right after I started typing. didnt' realize I hit enter lol
 
@CaptainObvlious you confused half of the room :P
 
lol awesome!
 
Telnet.
 
it's 4:25 AM here, gotta try to sleep
night everyone
 
c-ya. and thanks for earlier!
 
2:26 AM
@Jeffrey Morning.
 
@CaptainObvlious np :)
 
@MarkGarcia 12:26pm, so afternoon :p
 
time for some fairy queen. bbiaf
 
Did Zynga grow too big too quickly?
 
2:34 AM
yes
love having a DQ next to the hotel
 
walked in and the girl behind the counter does her "how are you today" thingy. I respond "well I've been better" and she says "Well that's good." ... WTF
 
Maybe she's a defunctional AI :p
 
have you thought that maybe she doesn't actually care/expected a simple 'good'?
 
@CaptainObvlious That's good. :P She just heard you wrong. At least you're making someone feel better.
 
2:37 AM
I hope so but it's doubtful. I explained how wrong she was and why but she just stared back with a blank expression. It's like If "" Then "Duh" all over again
makes about as much sense as tits on a goose
 
@Mysticial: Are you around right now?
 
on a duck or on a goose?
 
Is google auto-complete working on your firefox browsers?
Mine's not working. Works with chrome not with firefox.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Goose
 
Pretty much Google.
 
2:40 AM
but I'm totally ok with Mooing Duck on a Quacking Cow. It makes perfect sense to me
 
Damn ... was looking at mark's duckling and having strange thoughts
 
A meowing duck.
 
The fuck.
 
2:42 AM
lol oh shit that's just wrong
 
It's almost seamless.
 
I should change the head to a penis
 
Wait. A penis with white fur?
 
Yeah I can go with that. It'll be the new Aflac spokesanimal
 
 
What are your thoughts?
 
@CaptainObvlious Am I the only one who ever thought they should have hired Ben Affleck? E.g., he's outside a mall, trying to sign autographs, but people keep trying to buy insurance from him instead. "What good are you anyway? I need insurance." ..."But, but, but...do you want an autograph? I'm, like, really famous!"
 
@JerryCoffin lol no shit right! and do it as a spoof on Mallrats
 
@DemCodeLines There seems to be pretty widespread agreement that Sony won the E3 battle (by a fairly wide margin). MS may even have some solid arguments in favor of what they're doing, but Sony made clear, simple statements that made them look and sound like the clear winner, regardless of how good of points MS might really have.
 
Microsoft set the bar so low that Sony arguably did worse than they did in previous E3s yet they're seen as an amazing company.
 
2:53 AM
I need someone to give me an explanation about why it needs to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours.
 
To be fair, I liked Sony at E3 but outside of the Microsoft hate it was definitely nothing special.
 
The technical part of it.
 
DRM.
Modern game developers feel as if their medium does not produce a well enough income because you only have to buy once.
You can also trade games with your friends and everything, these are seen as lost sales.
 
@DemCodeLines Porn addiction is preinstalled
 
@Rapptz At least they can make money on value-added services.
 
2:55 AM
@DemCodeLines I thought we were still posting awkward mashups of things...
 
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Meh.
 
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You know postfix ++?
 
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I want that but with +=.
 
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Like, postfix +=.
 
o.o
 
3:01 AM
@DemCodeLines The basic idea is to enforce the notion that installing a game on one console...binds that copy to that console permanently -- no giving away, loaning, or reselling. MS' claim is that doing so will let them reduce initial price substantially (though this has yet to be proven, of course).
 
@Rapptz Made a mango curry with turkey, served with coconut rice.
 
I still haven't eaten a single thing today.
 
You'll die!
 
:(
 
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3:02 AM
:D
 
@LucDanton Sounds good. I'm away from home right now, so I had to settle for prime rib, potatos, asparagus, wine and a glass of port for supper.
 
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I always like these kind of ads.
 
That's settling? What's your usual like?
 
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Similar to Apple's "Redmond, start your photocopiers!"
 
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> They actually took this seriously!
 
3:03 AM
Same, but no asparagus?
 
I am having simple dumpling for lunch :p
 
I've been contemplating what to eat today with no avail
 
@JerryCoffin and dessert? (gelato, cakes, cheese?)
 
@LucDanton I wasn't exactly serious.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Oh -- yeah, what they called a fruit tart, but wasn't much like what I'd normally think of as a tart (but was very good anyway).
 
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I rewrote my compiler and it's a lot better now.
 
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3:06 AM
Now expressions don't push their result onto the evaluation stack if the result isn't used.
 
Now I'm getting hungry too...
 
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@MarkGarcia Eat a duck.
 
@rightfold No one here offers roasted duck. :(
 
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Where are you?
 
@rightfold Flock a duck.
 
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3:07 AM
Use duck typing.
 
@rightfold Right where I am. (see my profile)
 
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Use Gear. :3
 
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@MarkGarcia OIC
 
@rightfold dUcKcAsE.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm actually at dinner right now. Is it important?
 
3:08 AM
@Mysticial No -- later's fine.
 
I'll do with duck egg.
 
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Eat a pig.
 
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I ate a pig today.
 
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Or at least, part of a pig.
 
3:09 AM
@rightfold Damn. I haven't eaten lechon for a while now.
 
could be horse meat ...
 
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Delicious ham.
 
@rightfold Lechon. Yum.
 
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I've never had a lechon.
 
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Is it lechon or lechón?
 
3:09 AM
They're like a standard in every occasion here.
Lechón is a pork dish in several regions of the world, most specifically Spain and its former colonial possessions throughout the world. The word lechón originated from the Spanish term lechón; that refers to a suckling pig that is roasted. Lechón is a popular food in the Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, other Spanish-speaking nations in Latin America, and Spain. The dish features a whole roasted pig cooked over charcoal. Additionally, it is a national dish of the Philippines with Cebu being acknowledged by American chef, Anthony Bourdain as having the best pig, an...
 
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> Lechon
 
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> Lechón
 
@rightfold Both are appropriate, I think.
 
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It's not in Oxford Dictionary so fuck it.
 
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I'll go with lechón because I like diacritics.
 
3:11 AM
That's weird, I wrote a fixpoint combinator in C++ after the first attempt.
 
BBQ ducks ... yum!
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Trust me. They are. :)
 
I know they are, tart :p
 
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I want to eat Strepsils.
 
@MarkGarcia A friend of my wife (lives in Zamboanga) judges a lechon cooking contest every year. 42 different ones to try (and judge) last year.
 
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3:12 AM
Stupid throat. Even breathing hurts.
 
oooo new gcc snapshot
 
@MarkGarcia damn that looks good. now i'm going to bed hungry
 
@JerryCoffin Wow. That's an amazing thing to do!
Heehee. You get the finest young pork in town for free!
@rightfold What, you have a sore stomach?
 
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Strepsils are not for your stomach, silly.
 
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They're for your throat.
 
3:14 AM
@rightfold You said "eat".
 
@MarkGarcia Not just for free -- he owns a pig farm that supplied some of them, so he actually got paid for some, then got to eat (part of) them too!
 
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Okay, I want to suck on Strepsils, fine.
 
@Aboutblank Me getting to lunch craving for it. ;)
 
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I want crème brûlée, if I spelled that correctly.
 
the last creme brulee I had was awful
 
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3:17 AM
Hmm.
 
     Remove the following packages:
1)     libharfbuzz0
Okay?
 
tasted like fermated fresh cream
 
@MarkGarcia Ah, I guess here's why he gets to be a judge: propork.org/officers/council-presidents
 
@JerryCoffin Now that's a constant source of cholesterol. Especially in December, many here gets hypertension and stroke because of almost eating lechon every time they're invited.
 
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A Dutch lawyer refused to stand up for the judges (which apparently is usual), because he "considered all people equal." Then he also refuses to handshake a woman because, well, because she's a woman.
 
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3:18 AM
Isn't that hypocritical? :v
 
I want this, haven't had one for aaaages
butter cream cake
 
@MarkGarcia Yes -- when I was there (Christmas/New Years) I'm pretty sure I could have sampled about five or six almost any night.
@rightfold Only if you consider women "people." :-)
 
@JerryCoffin TIL 'bout that organization. The swine industry is pretty large in here. Most people, if they gathered enough money, decide to raise swine. It's a never-ending business opportunity here.
 
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@JerryCoffin :D
 
@JerryCoffin That's the spirit here. :)
The tradition never ends.
 
3:22 AM
@MarkGarcia Apparently -- though you'd hardly know it from him. I'm pretty sure he does quite well, but he's very modest about it.
 
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What do you do when you have a class of which the name is a mass noun? I don't like this.
 
@rightfold mass_noun_t (is one possibility).
 
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I have final class Bytecode.
 
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PieceOfBytecode :P
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know much, but AFAIK, you can sell a nicely-bred pig for Php 5000 (116 USD). Multiply that with the number you have and you have a self-sustaining always on-demand business. Plus they breed almost exponentially. But I have no plans to go to that business (I want to but I'm not a business guy).
@rightfold What do you mean by "mass noun"?
 
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3:27 AM
@MarkGarcia money, bytecode and food as opposed to ball, box and duck.
 
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You don't say "gimme the moneys" but you do say "gimme the boxes."
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah -- though, of course, you need to raise (or buy) food for them. He also raises chickens -- which seems to be the meat Filipinos eat when they can't have lechon.
 
That's like... MSPaint porn.
 
Welp i'm out. time to try and sleep a bit. thanks all. peace!
 
3:32 AM
@CaptainObvlious Good night. Rest well.
 
So old.
 
I bet I'll get suckered in by generic lambdas and move my code forward to C++14.
 
Heheh.
 
Well, what do you know, it's 2013 anyway.
 
@CaptainObvlious G'night.
@LucDanton So can I assume I'm not alone in feeling like it was still very recently that the "new" standard was passed?
 
3:42 AM
Yeah. I don't think it's just a matter of feelings either, I'm still battling the compilers and it still feels more like the bleeding edge than the cutting edge.
E.g. it was just a few weeks ago that I had a unit test break on std::forward_list<int> list = {};. (Which I'm reminded of because now I have something else that broke in that vein.)
 
@LucDanton Good point -- though by now I'm pretty used to that (and compilers are much closer to conforming now then they were 2 years after C++98 was passed).
 
sigh. C++11 regex and all other C++11 features don't work well with each other. GCC has good support for the others, but not for regex. MSVC has support for regex, but not the others. Seems like I'll just wait until Herb Sutter gets full of the complains in his blog.
I'll just use Boost.regex then...
 
@JerryCoffin If we are going to reduce the price of average from $60 to some thing significantly lower, then I am all for it.
 
@JerryCoffin You're right (I think, the times you mention are barely just before mine). I think it's still fair to say that both standardization process and tool development have picked up the pace though! Bits of internal competition and external competition with other languages/communities having a hand in it, possibly. Interesting times.
 
Hi Guys, when you see links like this (trim://D12/123321?view&db=RC) and I've seen one's for Reflector too. What are these called? "program specific urls"?
 
3:50 AM
@DemCodeLines I think that's at least the idea of what they could do, though it remains to be see exactly what will.
 
@JeremyThompson It's an URI.
 
@JeremyThompson "trim" there is the scheme of the URI.
 
yeah I sort of guess, is there any keywords I could google?
 
In the field of computer networking, a URI scheme is the top level of the uniform resource identifier (URI) naming structure. All URIs and absolute URI references are formed with a scheme name, followed by a colon character (":"), and the remainder of the URI called (in the outdated RFCs 1738 and 2396, but not the current STD 66/RFC 3986) the scheme-specific part. The syntax and semantics of the scheme-specific part are left largely to the specifications, governing individual schemes, subject to certain constraints such as reserved characters and how to "escape" them. URI schemes are freq...
 
ok thanks guys
 
3:51 AM
I'm noticing some chatter about generic lambda support but at this point I think it's a series of patch and it's not in my trunk build. Oh well. Eh, either that or unfortunate timing.
Let's try Clang.
 
@LucDanton While that's partly true, there's also the simple fact that (IMO) they've done a better job of standardizing only things that people honestly know how to do. At that time, a lot of it barely had a proof of concept (and some didn't have even that -- export, for the obvious example).
 
Jerry: are you going to ask Mysticial some geography related questions?
 
Improvements in wording, too. I mean the actual process of producing the wording.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No, that wasn't what I had in mind.
 
svn update no worky anymore
Oh great, libstdc++ will have std::exchange :s
 
4:05 AM
I see exchange, I think outlook.
 
May 20 at 18:51, by Luc Danton
Oh boy, libstdc++ getting std::exchange.
 
std, exchange. Hmmm...
 
;_;
everything a blur in head
@Rapptz Well at least I can claim that this time I was complaining about std::exchange getting inside my copy of libstdc++.
 
Why do you dislike it?
 
Well, I've had a long day after almost no sleep. I'll talk t you all later.
 
4:10 AM
The motivation for adding the feature is "guys, if I cut atomic_ out of std::atomic_exchange it's still a function!".
 
@JerryCoffin Good night. Sleep well.
 
I know I've made a point of caring about consistency in the past but I'm not sure what this is being consistent with :(
 
@JerryCoffin Sleep well!
 
@LucDanton "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."
 
Atomic exchange is an actual primitive of some programming models, which is useful and relevant in the context of programming where threads are involved. I can't say the same of exchange.
@JerryCoffin What a way to end a night! Cya
 
4:22 AM
Dem caps.
 
ahh you suck
I almost missed that one
 
I do much more than sucking.
 
I image you do.
 
she also likes pink ponies and watching naked guys, that Etienne
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm not female. I also do not watch naked guys.
 
4:25 AM
You sure about that?
 
Also, my favorite pony is Rainbow Dash, and she's not pink.
And "Etienne" is very much a male name.
 
cough no it isn't cough
 
Do you speak French?
 
To me english folk.
It might mean "stephan" to you french folk, but to us english folk it mean "girl"
 
You have to think more "international" than that.
You silly American.
 
4:33 AM
Silly as I may be, I make up 316072493/7092491905's of the world's population.
 
@CCInc Unfortunately.
 
@CCInc weight wise?
 
Cool.
Room owners can see deleted messages. :D
 
Ya
 
I don't get this game of thrones show
 
4:35 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 population of US::WORLD
 
@Rapptz Yeah. Pretty cool eh?
 
I give it a 5.5 on my coolness scale.
 
what is max?
 
I am wondering ... what the cat in my avatar would look like if I shave all her furs ...
 
10.
 
BTW I don't own the cat ...
 
lol it's on github
 
if you have not seen already
The kind of hot girl you can dope to go on a date with :p
 
Whoah. This new github look has more colors.
They just basically moved the actions bar to the right.
It feels awkward.
 
4:48 AM
Signed myself up for another overnight hiking trip that will take place in a few days. I think it should be enough incentive to concentrate on my work now :p
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Be careful not to fall again. :P
 
Thanks
But this is an easy, for beginner one
Last one was for pros
 
> Internal compiler error: Error reporting routines re-entered.
> error: use of 'decltype(auto) factorial::operator()(Self&&, int) [with Self = fix_type<factorial>&]' before deduction of 'auto'
The only way I can make sense of that error is 'error: support for decltype(auto) sucks'`.
Namely because 'unrolling' the decltype(auto) works.
Eh, or maybe not. I wrote one decltype(auto) too many.
> error| template instantiation depth exceeds maximum of 900
The actual error when everything is unrolled.
Kinda nice that the decltype(auto) catches that rather than wantonly recursing actually!
Aw, constexpr still implies const qualifier on member function :( Though I'm not sure this is in C++14 proper.
main.cpp:4:8: internal compiler error: in gen_type_die_with_usage, at dwarf2out.c:19592
 struct foo {
Wow, I think I had decltype(auto) briefly work only out of pure luck. It's extremely volatile actually.
 
5:17 AM
Compilers talk to themselves too
 
@JerryCoffin So what did I miss?
 
He still seems to be offline.
 
5:47 AM
Gotta build a C++ reflection system. =[
 
6:08 AM
Sup
 
I got notification from Trello that some guy added me to something.
Why is this even possible jesus.
 
Xeo
Mornin
@EtiennedeMartel ^
 
And there's no "don't allow random people to bother me" setting.
 
6:42 AM
@CatPlusPlus give him butt hurt
 
I deleted my account. :v:
 
ffs
social awekward cat
 
IMO Cat++ is slightly less socially awkward than luc Danton
 
34 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
And there's no "don't allow random people to bother me" setting.
Fuck that site.
I don't have the patience to manually unsubscribe from random crap some random idiots subscribe me to.
 
Interestingly I was introduced by a lady in one of my business networks to some other memebers of the network and according to her I was 'shy'
Me? Shy?
 
Xeo
6:51 AM
Yay, worku timu
 
Mawning
@Xeo I have seen that.
 

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