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@melak47 I'm assuming not, but that seems to be the question he's asking.
It is a Win7 copy I got from the MS Alliance 2 years ago. Now it has expired. I asked my IT dpeartment Thursday for a fresh install on a 30 GB partition. -"No not possible".
-I can send you installation media.
Italy is fucked.
@CaptainGiraffe they expire now? ;/ afair they used to be handed over without expiration
@BartoszKP Apparently.
the ones I got from MSDN AA didn't have an expiry date :E
and neither do the ones from dreamspark :/
00:04
Wasn't ereOn a semi-regular here?
@melak47 yeah, neither did mine
@CaptainGiraffe I have a few dozen vista licenses from there, you want some? :p
@melak47 =) Thanks but no =)
how about XP? :D
Server 2008?
@melak47 Clippy -"So I hear you are starting a botnet. Do you need any help with that?"
I guess server 2008 is not that bad.
00:08
it's vista. :p
Could be worse...
I'm on vista right now :P
I have a nice "watermark" on my win8.1 laptop's desktop, too...but not because my license expired, because I turned off secure boot :E
Ell
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Hi all
Hi ell
00:11
Hi ill
Ell
Ell
How you guise doing?
How you doing guys?
Sideways?
I'm cold
heating in my house is broken ;0 and I don't have strength to do more push ups ;0
@Ell and how r u?
Ell
Ell
Im all right
Just went out for a meal, was pretty nice
00:30
you mentioned meal * _ *
I'm hungry again
 error: -fPIC ignored for target (all code is position independent) [-Werror]
cc1plus.exe: all warnings being treated as errors
wtf man.
I'm hungry, but I'm not hungry.
I came home and found Octopus in the fridge :v
@MohammadAliBaydoun ;l I'll manage with some bread
Good choice ;_;
00:42
Do you guys know how to disable the -fPIC warning?
@MohammadAliBaydoun Hello (sorry, been doing manual labor for a while, cleaning up for my son's fourth birthday party tomorrow).
We're celebrating my friend's birthday tomorrow as well :D
My little brother's birthday was today.
@MohammadAliBaydoun Cool. Happy birthday to them!
Wait a minute. I just realized that 9 months after Valentines Day is within this week >:o
@JerryCoffin And happy birthday to your son! May he grow up to make better life choices than we all did ;_;
@MohammadAliBaydoun No matter what she says, insist on a DNA test.
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@MohammadAliBaydoun كل علم وهو بخير
@BartoszKP I love you too ;_;
@MohammadAliBaydoun hope that came out all right, not as an insult ; D
Yeah, it's grammatically perfect
@MohammadAliBaydoun had that last week on my arabic lessons : D
00:53
Oh wait, the second word should be عام
@MohammadAliBaydoun oh, right, misclicked on the screen keyboard
They look almost identical with the font size here~
@MohammadAliBaydoun I call starship
@Borgleader I really want to say starship as well, but people will laugh at me ;-;
I'm called Borgleader, ppl expect me to call starship ;)
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00:55
:DD
@Borgleader We expect you to call "cube".
@MohammadAliBaydoun Thanks. Probably wouldn't take much to beat some of my choices in life...
@JerryCoffin I have borg spheres at my command to you know
@Borgleader Why ? Is the collective link down? Let me guess - the Borg use Xyplex routers.
@Borgleader No, I didn't actually.
I can predict a life full of terrible choices.
I mean, this Sunday, I'm setting myself up for failure :V
00:59
@MohammadAliBaydoun Me too - ham or pepperoni?
Actually, I'm asking a girl out ;_;
Pepperoni
@MohammadAliBaydoun Sometimes you need to court failure to maximize success (or so I've heard).
(It's a female pizza)
@MohammadAliBaydoun Good choice, and good luck:)
@MohammadAliBaydoun Just go through with it, and no failure is possible. Either she'll accept, or she won't; neither is a failure (except, perhaps, on her part).
01:01
Thank you fellas ;_;
@JerryCoffin Unles you're a complete arsehole, she will accept the first time, if only for a free meal/drinks.
The first love of my life asked me out, and paid for the meal and beer!
The first love of my life and hopefully my wife to be, asked me out on a prom at uni : D
Sometimes it happens...
she's half Lebanese btw
01:05
@BartoszKP How long you been friends and lovers?
@MartinJames almost 6 years ;0
Speaking of which, I was in Poland the other day and I asked out this very attractive man to prom at a university I pretended to be part of
@BartoszKP OH FFS PROPOSE NOW!
@MohammadAliBaydoun :DDD
@MartinJames yeah, I know it's too long, I fucked this part up, but I'm planning to propose in arabic to make it right
TBH, I don't think the language matters much, (as long as she can understand it). After six years, if you want marriage, either she's in, or she's out and move on.
IMHO, six months would be a better period:)
01:10
@MartinJames you're right, but the point is, she doesn't know I've started learning it. so you know, romantic surprise etc ; )
Hmm.. maybe I should not use the word 'period' when discussing sexual relationships and possible pregnancies:)
Xeo
Xeo
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@BartoszKP If you use the Lebanese dialect, she will get you off your knees and go down on her knees instead~
We discussing suckage now?
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01:13
@MohammadAliBaydoun yeah, that would be cool. : D unfortunately I find it hard enough to express even a simple thought in fusha : )
OK. we're going to bed now, BFN!
@BartoszKP Then we're on the same track! :D
@MohammadAliBaydoun :DDDD
@MartinJames good night!
@Borgleader Funny, but hell starts about 3 days before the blood.
01:16
@JerryCoffin I do find it odd how females refer to their mood swings as PMS when they're on their period.
@Rapptz well the mood swings are usually before the period
Yes. That's where I'm getting at.
So I guess I'm not sure what are your referring to. Perhaps "period" is sometimes a wider term denoting menstruation+few days before ?
speaking of which: youtube.com/watch?v=mCwKbUVyHLY ;0
Xeo
Xeo
> Even if you’re new or returning to the game, Warlords empowers you to immediately upgrade one of your characters to level 90 and master new abilities at the gateway to Draenor, so that you can charge into grand combat right away.
Wokay
01:26
@Xeo Scroll down to the Garrison section
People still play WoW?
7.6M people yes
How sad.
@Rapptz Not for Blizzard's coffers
Blizzard sucks anyway.
01:33
sleep well, mortals
I'm really hyped for Heroes of the Storm
Xeo
Xeo
That another DOTA?
Pretty much.
They have multiple maps and map specific things though
more DoTA clones lol
01:49
Diablo fighting Kerrigan fighting the Lich King fighting Nova fighting ... sign me up :3
Microsoft still hasn't closed/wontfixed/??? my bug report ._.
02:06
Why would anyone throw a grenade on a plane? Like, really?
World war Z is so stupid.
@Jefffrey When you start from "zombies", the only way you can go is "stupid".
True, but this particular one is winning the suckage ranking right now.
Of course there was one of the Lost's producers in it. Of course.
23.7k with this bullshit sigh
@BartoszKP :P
@BartoszKP Nice.
02:23
This "Vlad from Moscow" is now all over the fucking place, eh?
Hello, Lounge!
How should I support msvc for my meta build system?
As best as you can ;)
Yeah except I don't know how.
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Q: R+ tree implementation

user2967453I need to implement R+ tree. As I was not able to find out any R+ tree source code, is it possible to modify the existing R tree code or it is better implement the R+ tree from scratch ?

02:27
For GCC and Clang you provide compiler flags and the rest is magic sorta.
but you don't typically invoke cl.exe do you?
Boost does
does it?
neat.
doesnt b2.jam incoke cl?
er... b2.exe or wtv it is
should the user provide the flags themselves?
Maybe you could provide default set(s) ?
02:30
I do that already
MSVC's flags are really weird, must be because I'm not used to it
the issue with invoking cl.exe directly is that it doesn't work
you have to jump a few hoops
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A: Using Visual Studio's 'cl' from a normal command line

Ville LaurikariThe compilers can be used from command line (or makefiles) just like any other compilers. The main things you need to take care of are the INCLUDE and LIB environment variables, and PATH. If you're running from cmd.exe, you can just run this .bat to set the environment: C:\Program Files\Micros...

What a nightmare.
@Rapptz Yeah shit man that's like hours of work
@Rapptz Oh, right, you need setenv.bat or something ?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no path independent way of putting all of those manually
The only thing I can hope for is that the .bat is in the PATH
but it seems they have different names depending on the version
VS 2008 has vcvarsall.bat but VS 2012 has vcvars32.bat
I don't dispute is a fucking bloodbath. But a "nightmare"?
02:40
@Rapptz You can also run it in VS's developer command line program, which automatically searches for VS paths.
I can't run that.
@Rapptz whatever ;p
@Rapptz You mean the developer cmd or the batch file? Also, why can't you?
maybe I can get away with batchfile && cl [args..]
02:43
@MarkGarcia gross
Gawd.
Why can't people just create their own formalized matrix class? :(
Why make a matrix class when you can just use a damn library?
And that. Yes, it's a sad story.
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A: How do I stop the iteration a for_each() loop? for(:) is not a viable option

aaronmanI suggest using BOOST_FOREACH, which is just a header BTW so you won't even have to build and link to boost. #include <string> #include <iostream> #include <boost/fo...

did I fuck this answer up, I don't wanna give this guy bad code
the second part specifically
02:56
@Rapptz I once decided C++ was more maintainable than a batch file. ideone.com/6baRqQ
03:11
I can't believe I am still getting reps from that question, lol
if it ever gets deleted before I asked/answered any questions, my rep would be roughly 500 less
@User17 Apparently it is still a common issue
03:31
well no one told me it was UB but @JerryCoffin I know you answered the question, IT I fixed my version it by using a static var
@aaronman It looks like it works, but I think it's going to a lot of work to pass a container instead of a pair of iterators. IMO, until somebody can figure out a good range implementation, it's better to stick to iterators.
@JerryCoffin true, on the other hand BOOST_FOREACH while subtly better than mine is like 1000loc. Anyway if it was me I would just use a normal for loop
@JerryCoffin Maybe Luc + Eric Niebler might be able to pull it off
@aaronman Yeah -- I find BOOST_FOREACH a bit insane (to the point I've never used it). I think the algorithm I posted is a reasonable alternative to explicitly writing out a loop, if you're doing it more than a few times. In particular, it fits well enough with the other standard algorithms that anybody accustomed to them should be able to understand it immediately, without ever looking at its implementation.
@Borgleader I suspect at least a few others will be involved before all is said and done, but I do think it'll happen. It seems to me the challenge is more in deciding how things should work than in writing code to do that once you've decided what you want them to do.
Yeah, that's the impression I got too (even with my extremely limited knowledge of ranges)
03:50
In boost's defense a lot of boost for_each looks like checking for certain compiler features
@aaronman It undoubtedly is. Although it's probably not very practical, I've always though they should really develop two versions of the code in parallel: one for some ideal compiler that doesn't need any workarounds, and then the other for all the real compilers. This shouldn't just be Boost either--I'd like to see it in the standard library and such as well. Most of them are damned near unreadable, mostly for cases like if I decide to use a VC++2012 header with VC++4.1b.
@JerryCoffin Don't you think this will become a thing of the past? (I'm basing this assumption on the "One C++" talk by Herb Sutter)
I'm trying to fix an issue with my project. Basically it takes a string and divides it up into sub strings based on characters. Seems to start out great see here i.imgur.com/DUxRRdf.png then goes bad haha. Any ideas where my issue could be? Here is my code ideone.com/G9ofv5
@JerryCoffin well no sense doing it now, since future versions of boost will be c++11 centric no real need for for_each
I was thinking it might be SubStr function?
03:57
@Mr.1.0 this
@Mr.1.0 I think it's too long, that's probably why it doesn't work
what do you mean by long?
@Borgleader I wish it would, but I doubt it. It's true that the compilers are much more similar, and much closer to conforming, but when I look through headers I see all sorts of cruft for features that everybody's supported for years. Just for example, nearly all of them still use macros for things like namespaces.
@Mr.1.0 it was sarcastic
03:59
@JerryCoffin Yeah but isn't that people just refusing to update the code and/or supporting stone age compilers because 13 ppl out there use it?
@Borgleader Hard to say for sure--probably at least a little of both.
So technically new code should have less of this and over time it should disappear. Hopefully.
So all this knowledge on code formatting and best practices, all stops in standard library implementations. :(
@Borgleader From what I've seen, it changes over time, but but new things to check for are added at least as fast as old cruft is removed.
@MarkGarcia Also the real world
04:01
@JerryCoffin Sad :(
It's hard to believe @Mikhail but standard libraries are written by real people in the real world
@Mikhail At least the real world doesn't always use macros in namespaces. Or cryptic names and lack of spacing.
@Borgleader Somewhat. On the other hand, things are improving somewhat. Older code often had hundreds of lines of #ifdef XXX spread nearly everywhere. Now you typically see a much better job of defining system-dependent macros one place, and just using the macros everywhere else.
@MarkGarcia I once worked on a compiler for an internship (which a terrifying thought given I have no clue what I am doing) anyways, there was a #define that was called isfortran if it was set to true, the compiler would be a fortran compiler
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@Mikhail lol. That's awful.
04:04
@MarkGarcia Some of it almost has to. For one obvious example, most code in standard headers must use names like _[A-Z]..., for exactly the reason your code can't. Hurts readability at first, but you can at least get used to it if you try.
@JerryCoffin They should then support clang-format style=stdlib and the tool would magically obfuscate your code with standard library styles and elements. :P
Double underscores everywhere!
@MarkGarcia write the tool yourself, all I ever hear is how easy and nice clang's codebase is to work with
@aaronman Hm. I wonder why they call it "hacking". :P
@MarkGarcia I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they do something like that already. The other big point is that standard headers often get compiled a lot, so they often try to keep them as short as possible to reduce compilation time.
@JerryCoffin I wonder if we could write a c++ minimizer and then get faster performance? Like the javascript people...
04:11
@Mikhail I wonder that too, though errors would be very much more unreadable by then. Can't really get a hint on what class a1 does.
@Mikhail Would only improve compile speed, not run-time speed.
@JerryCoffin I can live with that
@JerryCoffin Couldnt you use tools to turn sane names in to those monstrosities?
But that gets rid of xkcd.com/303, c++ needs to take hours to compile
@Mikhail Isnt the minimizer about saving bandwidth? which we dont have to care about
04:13
@Borgleader You could, and I guess it wouldn't surprise me a lot if it's been done.
I think I'm gonna write an -O5 for clang where it posts the code to SO with the title "how can I make this faster" and waits for a response to get enough upvotes, then compiles with that
@aaronman Ah, the non-work things I can accomplish while code compiles and evaluations... evaluate.
@aaronman Also Gentoo
@Mikhail what about it, I'm guessing it has notoriously long compile times?
@aaronman Actually I live in the future and my laptop has 32GB of ram, now I get firefox compiled in less then an hour!
04:24
@Mikhail I am 100% I can pay a bunch of money to get a laptop with 32GM ram
Anyone else having trouble uploading an image?
> Failed to upload image; couldn't reach imgur
^^ That explains it...
Trying it in chat didn't give that message. But doing it on a post does.
now it worked
@Mysticial More like Douglas Cockford!!!
@Mikhail If you're in the future, why not get a laptop with more like 4TB of RAM?
04:39
@caps Too heavy, in the future ram capacity hasn't changed
@Mikhail You just haven't gone far enough into the future yet.
@Mysticial my sojourn in dealing with the SSD write cliff continues, things I learned 1) SSD at 50% capacity hits write cliff %25 sooner 2) Latest Intel drivers help 3) Trim doesn't help 3) By keeping write at about 40% of theoretical you never hit the cliff but this requires the latest drivers
That's overly complicated.
HDs are a lot more predictable. :)
@Mysticial I got 4 raptors comming soon, the price is really good, its like $90 for 150 MB/s
Raptors are only 150 MB/s?
I can get like 135 MB/s from a low-power 3TB drive.
04:46
@Mysticial We will see when I benchmark them...
Massive drives tend to have high sequential speeds due to the sheer density of the date.
But the seek times still suck like normal HDs.
@Mysticial When it goes over the write cliff my 2 SSDs go at 80 MB/s which is sad
@Mikhail lol
05:12
@Mysticial Yeah, I'm expecting those new WD 6TB HDDs to have pretty sick sequential write speeds
06:04
why are there nicer dark themes than light themes :(
because light themes suck
they do not
I actually prefer "grey" themes
it's a good medium
07:16
07:59
Hi
is any modorator here?
emergancy
please help
??
No, moderators are only here when were naughty.
08:22
"Emergency"?
How come people don't grasp the fact you generally use flags etc. for "emergency", whatever that means... ;F
difficult to imagine what emergency would require summoning a moderator
unless you wrote all your credit card details in the chat or something
heh
That fact that he didn't say it in all caps meant that it wasn't really an emergency. :P
user1804599
@SmartMan No.
@SmartMan If you say something inappropriate, then we can flag it and make a moederator to come over ...
08:35
@Mysticial Isn't there some 2TB limit that causes issues with bigger drives?
@FredOverflow Yes.
Don't expect to be able to cleanly boot Windows on > 2TB drives.
And you need GPT to have partitions > 2TB.
Ah. Thank god I recommended some guy to buy a 2TB drive instead of a 3TB drive :)
Not to mention the right SATA controller support.
@FredOverflow good :)
@Mysticial Does that apply to Windows 8 as well?
@Borgleader I'm not sure.
Mainly because I've never needed such a large boot drive anyway.
08:40
Same, I have a lot of external ones, so I have never needed a big internal drive
And 3TB drives are still a premium.
I'm still looking for another pair of internal 4TB drives to backup the current 2 x 4TB that I have for Anime.
I have a feeling the physical limitations on mechanical drives will help SSDs catch up
My 2 x 3TB Anime backup drive isn't big enough. And most of the stuff I've DL'ed in the past few months aren't backed up.
HDDs have reached a point where they can't spin any faster without problems and they can hardly fit more platters into the box
@Borgleader But they can make it more dense.
08:42
Right, that's the one thing they can do but much like with CPUs the denser they are the more rejection rate you get so they get rapidly more expensive
That's one of the reasons why I prefer to use large HDs for swap drives even though I probably won't use even half of that until I retire it to be data drives.
High capacity = dense = more sequential speed
@Borgleader They deal with that via forward error-correction.
Same stuff that's used on CDs. Except not as heavy-duty since you won't be scratching a platter that easily.
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Q: hi im from mt.everest and lord buddha born country,Nepal

user239157Why I cannot watch online porn videos like in epornik.com,and others in my micromax 2 plus android phone?though I can watch youtube videos.

clearly a troll, funny nonetheless
If there aren't any mods on meta. There probably won't be any here either. :D
I don't know of an easy way to check if a directory or file is part of another directory in Boost.Filesystem
e.g. is_part_of("foo", "foo/bar") would return true
@MarkGarcia Didn't know about /r/shittyprogramming :)
09:07
Indeed, I only browse C++ questions on stack overflow. I have just made "gimmeh-teh-code" my favorite tag, and the orange is gone. Thank you! — FredOverflow Dec 17 '10 at 19:08
lol, so that's where that favorite tag came from...
09:23
love this guy
I can't see my db in SQL server object explorer nor in Management studio, been F5'ing a lot.
The db is there cos the code works :)
09:56
@JohanLarsson what's the error when you put the address manually into the login window?
@FredOverflow nice
user1804599
10:11
lol
user1804599
Sublime Text thinks that # starts a comment in SQL, but it’s actually bitwise XOR.
shall we engage into text editor war?
Someone has downvoted an ancient question of mine on meta
:DDDD
10:27
@BartoszKP Maybe the db is not there after all, provoked errors with a unit test now. Gonna google for a while :)
user1804599
10:46
The only reason I don’t flag this question as offensive is that I’m in a really good mood today. — rightfold 14 secs ago
user1804599
What is this “c\c++” thing? It sounds cool. — rightfold 8 secs ago
@ScottW you could have upvoted me :'(
11:02
dayum.
practically every time I load up Starcraft 2 now, I'm like, "Holy shit, these guys are so terrible".
user1804599
> Worker::getInstance().start(*new LogicHandler(_socket, player, buffer));
user1804599
LOL
it's like YouTube comments, but you have to also play co-operatively with them.
@rightfold it's a footnote: (*) warranty void if used incorrectly
@rightfold You know what they say: *new is the memory leak or double delete operator.
user1804599
11:16
Memory league.
user1804599
Try the new Leak of Legends.
How do you empty an int or a double? — Mohammad Ali Baydoun 31 secs ago
lol, bunch of idiots approved an invalid edit to my post: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3317359
lol epic fail.
11:31
I have a tongue.
lounge?
Seriously? My Haswell machine is runs at 65-70C under load with a water cooler. No overclock...
dafuq
The hell am I supposed to overclock it if it's already running that hot with my best cooler?
Put it in a freezer
My AMD machine also runs at about 60 - 65C under load with water cooler. Haven't overclocked that one yet either.
I can't imagine how how these things get on that stupid stock fan.
Back when I still had my Sandy Bridge machine - I wouldn't let it get above 85C. And I wouldn't let it sustain above 80C.
@Mysticial There are some desktops that don't continuously run 16 threads flat-out:)
11:39
@MartinJames hey...
So I only have about 15C of overclocking headroom. I'm not gonna be able to increase that vcore much - if at all.
Unless Haswell is able to tolerate temperatures higher than Sandy Bridge.
I remember my Sandy Bridge machine had like 40C of overclock headroom. At stock with the water cooler, it was only 40C.
Ell
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Liquid nitrogen!
Its as cheap as milk apparently
So I was able to push it up to 4.6 GHz with a vcore bump from 1.22 -> 1.42.
Ell
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My sandy bridge used to be at 4.6GHz
Granted, it didn't last a year before it degraded enough to where I had to pull it back to 4.4 GHz with less vcore.
It didn't like that > 1.4 vcore.
But the point is: I had enough thermal room to go that high.
And I remember doing some benchmarks at 5.2 GHz with 1.5 vcore.
Haven't tried OCing my Sandy Bridge
11:45
My Sandy Bridge is room temperature right now... back in its box. And I don't even know if it still works.
Back on the programming side: Although I haven't benchmarked it yet, I have a strong feeling that Haswell doesn't have enough registers for my FMA-optimized code to run well... :(
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:(
4-way loop unrolling was enough to keep a Sandy Bridge machine busy. But Haswell's Fused-Multiply Add is gonna require 8-way loop unrolling. But there aren't enough registers to do that... :(
I guess that's what Hyper Threading is for... /cc @nightcracker
argh.
moron benefit people sent me a letter saying "Please provide this document by 25 September 2013".

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