Discussion on question by Tim Post: We’re removing “Hot Meta Posts” from Stack Overflow's sidebar for now; moderators now fully control [featured]

Discussion on question by Tim Post: W

Imported from a comment discussion on https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387546/we-re-removing-hot-meta-posts-from-stack-overflows-sidebar-for-now-moderator
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Aug 5, 2019 14:43
@U10-Forward I'd say those are the ones who work in SO.
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Aug 4, 2019 05:28
bruh -685 and 757 down-votes, and 73 up-voters, why do people even up-vote this?
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Jul 28, 2019 08:04
Huh why does Tim need to remove the hot meta posts section while everyone dislikes this idea...
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Jul 26, 2019 17:59
This destroys the community's ability to organise and self-govern, which I assume is the intent of the change. Hot Meta Posts was the way that notable discussions were brought to the attention of users. Now, they'll be buried out of sight of anyone who doesn't carefully trawl the Meta front page (which I, at least, have almost never visited before now). What a nasty, destructive move. For the first time, I have to seriously reconsider whether it's worth continuing to contribute to SO. If the staff start removing valuable content, we've no channel left to protest and resist, now.
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JJJ
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
Not a joke or troll: Stack Exchange should seriously consider buying some communications training for their community-facing employees. This and many previous debacles (cough mcve cough) have been handled really poorly. This kind of community pushback is not inevitable if it's done correctly. Even some sort of crisis management training wouldn't go amiss, because it would help handling the pushback aftermath which is done about the worst way possible right now.
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Jul 26, 2019 17:59
A bit cynical that this is tagged as a discussion when it has become increasingly clear, and was even directly stated by Tim previously, that SE does in fact not seek input from the meta community but chooses to ignore meta feedback whenever it is convenient for them. On a completely unrelated note, does unicode have a "middle finger" emote?
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Jul 26, 2019 17:59
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.
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Jul 26, 2019 17:59
"The Hot Meta Posts area is often filled with posts highlighting our missteps, all of which we're going to completely ignore anyway. For that reason, we've decided to remove it." Regardless of whether or not that was the intended message, this is the broadcast we're hearing.
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Aug 2, 2019 03:39
I have a feeling that the next thing would be deleting the featured posts, blog posts
Jul 30, 2019 23:51
@gnat I would think so, especially since anytime there is a new post about how its effected some policy (or anything really) it ends up referenced and re-linked - bring even more eyes to it - I know several people in chat who were avoiding Meta have been on just due to the shear volume of noise made about this.
Jul 27, 2019 21:02
for reference I said: "can you not"
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
So it's not just to allow controversial topics to be more easily sidelined then?
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
I am skeptical that there would have been a moderator consensus to feature several of the more controversial posts that have been hot recently. On the other hand, no amount of community opposition seems to make a difference (the Facebook avatar issue have been bountied on MSE for two months, is a top post of all time on MSO, is trivial enough that Craver could probably fix it during a coffee break, yet it still has no official response), so perhaps it's irrelevant since no amount of amplification is enough for our voices to be heard.
user8682794
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
You should try to improve it with feedback from the community, not remove it altogether.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
Meh I personally liked the feature. I don't always watch meta like I do my watchlist on SO, so it's kind of nice to be able to glance over to the sidebar and see a random but interesting looking topic to draw myself here. The point again is random. I don't want a mod to tell me I have to like it [Featured] to tell me to read the post. Sure it was a hit and a miss, but on the miss just don't click the link. No offense, I didn't even read your entire post because it was boring, which was the fun part about the randomness hot meta posts provided.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
Well, then: community-elected moderators, you know what the community's top concerns are, and which the company has refused to even respond to. It seems appropriate that to pin some of those indefinitely until they get an official response. If this is actually meant to be in the community's hands, that's what I would hope to see. Or will this require a consensus such that nothing potentially provocative will ever be featured again?
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
This post is another way of saying "We don't want to listen to your feedback because it's negative, and would rather not have other people look at it either". Moderators, please feature the important stuff to keep the Stack Overflow that we all (those who actually are a part of the community) love alive.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
I found that a lot of times I missed the good posts, thankfully, I used to just keep an eye on the hot posts and would normally find 'em there. Sadly, ya'll have gone and removed that and it's just disappointing, really. It brought attention to posts which as a result meant we got a variety of input from people we might normally not get input from.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
Everyone's welcome if they bring a hard hat and agree with our choices. Because if you don't we'll take down meta next.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
@ZeusMonkey Given that it this change was implemented within 36 minutes of this post I really don't know how much feedback they want. Given that they implemented this feature in spite of the Meta post announcing the change having been downvoted into oblivion, I know exactly how much feedback they want.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
I find hilarious that someone voted to close as "This question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community."... and sad.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
@JeremyBanks a good example of that it was the mess with the homepage that there were even articles in some small news over the internet because they don't want to listen to anyone who is not themselves.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
Well done, another changed pushed through against community consensus (as measured through the -130 aggregate score currently). I have a feeling that most posts scoring lower than -100 over the pasts months here on meta have been employee/mod posts telling us that changes were afoot on which the community was not consulted, let alone in agreement. Thanks for letting us down, again.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
What's next? Deleting Meta entirely? After all, you have your blog to announce the decisions you take without any input from the community.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
@iBug One of those was mine, because while i disagree with the timing and explanation, I think the change is warranted and will ultimately be better than what we had once mods get into a good cadence with keeping worthy questions flowing through it. (and we the community can work with the mods to achieve that.) but it does feel weird to put this burden on the mods... who in the past have mostly been just exception handlers.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
@iBug What I've witnessed with these announcements is that initially they'd get more upvotes but once more and more downvotes start pouring in, the tide shifts the other way. Now, I have no way of saying why that is but I've seen it in other networks where you have up/down votes - if something has, say, a score of 10, people would be more hesitant to downvote it than if it had a score of -10. Users seem happier to downvote. It works the other way, too - if something has a lower score, upvotes are more unlikely. I'd love to see a more comprehensive take on this but these are my observations.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
@YvetteColomb This close reason is accurate. Questions? Please leave an answer. but then virtually no response from staff, save an eventual dubious post about "meta is scary" that has conveniently been locked. I have to agree with GrumpyCrouton that the message sent is that staff are exempt from community standards. They might as well have just made this one of their blog posts.
Jul 26, 2019 17:59
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