Conversation started Jun 10, 2013 at 0:45.
Jun 10, 2013 00:45
Im so looking forward to that game
This years E3 should be a good one
I await the Nintendo hype train.
+ Watch Dogs + Mirror's Edge 2
Nintendo hype train?
Theres something to be hyped about from Nintendo?
Yes.
>implying Nintendo makes no good games
I'm fed up with Nintendo's inability to come up with a new IP. Its a new mario game anytime all the time.
Jun 10, 2013 00:54
They already have most game genres covered aside from shooters.
Plus every game they've made is at least innovating to a degree.
New Super Mario Bros Wii(-U) were innovating?
Fallacy.
(The texas sharpshooter in particular)
Fallacy? You said every game they made was at least innovative in some degree.
I found a counter example therefore your statement was also innacurate
My point is, if I can find 2 off the top of my head, there are probably more
Pedantry but if you want to pull that card then yes, Super Mario Bros Wii U was slightly innovative in terms of how multiplayer is done.
I can't comment on New SMB Wii because I've never played it.
(Not to mention I don't particularly like that series anyway)
Plus for all I know you've never played a Nintendo game :S
I have, but I admit I haven't since the Gamecube era. Mostly because in the recent years I've come to realize how nintendos strategy is an exercise in being profitable on more or less 3 IPs (Mario, Zelda, Metroid)
Jun 10, 2013 01:02
There hasn't been a main series Metroid game since Other M, and that one sucked. Zelda's last game was Skyward Sword (a good game mind you), and the last main series Mario was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (a good game again, mind you).
Sure the games might be good, they might be innovative, but for crying out loud would it kill them to be a little creative with their IPs?
And by that I mean making new ones
Nintendo has, to the best of my knowledge, the most IPs of any gaming company. I think the issue is that they're old.
hai lads
I don't know what constitutes as an "IP"
New characters..?
New series..?
@Rapptz Thats why I said new ones.
Jun 10, 2013 01:05
I don't see why they should make new ones when their bases are covered.
They really have a lot of genres under their grasp.
To be fair the only new genre I wouldn't mind seeing are Stealth and Shooters.
It'd be fun to see how they'd take the "family friendly" approach to those.
But the latter is already beat to death -- no one needs another shooter game.
@Rapptz Youre advocating they sit on their laurels? "Oh we have one IP per genre so were good, lets just roll with that".
Yes. What good reason is there to make a new IP besides the person who is unwilling to try a new game because of familiarity with the characters?
I mean, its nice to see familiar faces in games, but it's also great to see new ones. Nintendos employees can be and are very creative. I would love to see new worls and characters they could come up with. Instead they come out with the same ones every year.
I'm not advocating against it, all I'm saying is I don't mind it because there isn't much of a point. Also every Fire Emblem game has new characters.
Its still the same IP, thats like saying "Oh hey Resident Evil 6 had Sheeva"
Jun 10, 2013 01:10
Just because I see familiar faces doesn't mean I dismiss the game itself entirely.
So you are defining IP as video game series. Gotcha.
Yeah its more or less that.
At least its my understanding of it
A lot of things are intellectual property.
I'm just saying the "No new IPs" argument is weak to me.
It'd be a lot more valid if the games were truly not different (so long as we don't tear it down to the most basic level, which would be unfair)
It might simply be that I put more value into new things than you do. Which is totally fine in the end. It's just I like to see/explore/discover new "worlds" that I've never seen or heard of before. With Nintendo I can't do that, all their IPs are extremely well known quantity because for the most part theyve existed since I can remember.
I don't think we've played the same games, lol.
Lets take Zelda for example. The games might take place in totally different worlds (thank you fucked up timeline). But it's still Link and Princess Zelda. Youre still wielding a sword/boomerang/bombs and Ganondorf is still lurking around in some shape or another.
Jun 10, 2013 01:18
Man.
"It's just I like to see/explore/discover new "worlds" that I've never seen or heard of before. " <- "The games might take place in totally different worlds"
wat
You get new worlds yet you still complain.
Are you sure it isn't the familiarity of the characters that bug you?
@Aboutblank Ok, I should have used different words. The first world was referring to lore/characters/ and the physical world. The second world was only referreing to the landscapes.
So it is the familiarity that bugs you.
Well then, you're right. There isn't much you can do about that.
I like Nintendo games because they're innovative and fun. The familiarity of characters doesn't bug me at all.
To a certain degree yes. I don't mind long running series, I mean Halo is up to what 5-6 games now? And I've liked all of them, but they dont come out with a new one every year and I get new exclusive series on the Xbox which scratches my "new" itch.
Granted 5-6 games is nothing next to the mario series, but then again Halo hasn't existed for nearly as long
Jun 10, 2013 01:22
Just so we're clear -- the only Nintendo franchise that releases (almost) yearly is Pokemon.
Well theres at least one mario game per year
in some shape or form
From a different genre.
That is not a fair comparison.
Halo has 4 main series games and 2 spin offs.
You do not count the spin offs as a true sequel. That's dishonest.
I guess not, maybe I'm just tired of seeing him everywhere. It might be incorrectly making me feel like Nintendo is a one trick pony.
@Rapptz Halo 1-2-3-4, Halo ODST and Reach. Thats 6. Unless you mean that only Master Chief featuring games are main series.
I just counted on Wikipedia, Halo 1-2-3-4 are main series then you have 3 spin offs.
What counts as a spinoff?
Jun 10, 2013 01:26
Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach according to Wikipedia.
No I mean whats your definition of a spinoff
I only counted Halo Wars as a spinoff, and maybe ODST because its the only game where youre not a spartan
Using your pre-defined vocabulary, a new IP using the same characters.
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anyone up for an IP tracking question?
No.
Jun 10, 2013 01:29
So Mario Kart is a spinoff then? If I understand correctly
Yes.
Very well then.
So is Mario Party.
The last main series Mario game was SMG 2.
3 years ago.
Well, the Halo main series and all of its respective spinoffs all came at relatively long intervals. So I never suffered from brand fatigue from them.
I could easily spend a year without seeing or hearing about master chief
I seem to be hearing about mario every four to six months or so
Mario Kart Wii was in 2008, and its successor Mario Kart 7 was in 2011. Another 3 years.
I don't know where you hear about Mario -- but it's more than I do.
Jun 10, 2013 01:33
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Okay. So?
there's about 5 mario games a year and they are all different genres
I guess my original statement might have been misworded. I think I have a case of brand fatigue for the Mario brand as a whole rather than the original series themselves.
@Aboutblank Different consoles too (handheld vs home console)
that's true too
I can understand @Borgleader though, when Nintendo is pumping 5 games with the same character, its natural to be a little fed up
even if they are on different platforms, you're still going to see ads for it.
Jun 10, 2013 01:38
Eh, just pick and choose. You don't see me getting excited over Mario Party 99.
They're different genres to appeal to a greater audience. I don't complain or care.
I just realized we just had a civilized debate... in the Lounge. o.O afaik thats a pretty rare sighting
At least Pokemon games add something new every game too.
Or am I just never around for them?
@Rapptz I haven't played them in a while, what do they add besides new monsters?
They change up the meta game.
You mean by adding new types of monsters and/or attacks? New items? Battle rules?
Jun 10, 2013 01:41
No, by the meta game I mean how the game works. There hasn't been a new type since the 90s.
Like in Gen IV and before that all EVs you got were after you leveled, but in Gen V it's when you battle.
I'm not sure I follow. I understand the concept of meta-game in the context of an RTS (e.g. Starcraft 2) but not pokemon
Morning.
Wrestling with this much template errors has somehow done good to me.
Jun 10, 2013 01:44
@MarkGarcia Not something I thought I'd ever hear
I'm going to submit my observations of this chat to the robot overlord.
 
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