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@alisamii look into how big wigs like Twitter Bootstrap group their rules.
 
haha lol
 
@BoltClock take THAT
 
yea, diamonds don't need to be owners.
they got da powers
 
8:00 PM
Go away! Diamonds out!
 
Diamonds are forever.....
 
@Tiina it looks like: 1149 is the module number, as remains the same over the two weeks.
 
Don't worry about it, @BoltClock is just some CSS newb who uses tables for design, isn't that so?
 
.title has a basic style...depending on its parent elements (up to 4 levels up), some aspects of it will change, also based on browser, platform, time of day, geolocation, and language
and other factors come into play
 
@alisamii your design is bad and you should feel bad.
 
8:01 PM
@mikedidthis how did you see the next week one..
 
no, but seriously, you shouldn't ever get yourself into a trap like that
 
@Tiina there is no RSS for next week :(
 
if you have deterministic style properties you must apply with unknown factors, then don't make them hard rules. at this point use js to apply inline styles. it's ugly, but that is the design you are locked into
 
@alisamii so write styles for the inner elements. I don't understand why your pinning the style of the inner content against the parent element class name.
 
@rlemon told him already, but I think he doesn't feel bad enough about it yet.
 
8:03 PM
 
@mikedidthis yes, but the food changes. where is it stored for next week :(
 
the fridge
rimshot.jpg
 
@mikedidthis and that brings us back to 10000 IDs
 
@alisamii until you can show us your complete example where you would need 10000 id's to style it we will argue you are doing it wrong
 
@alisamii also if you really have a 10,000 elements, I would look at: coding.smashingmagazine.com/2011/12/12/… or smacss.com/
@Tiina the RSS must get update during the weekend?
 
8:04 PM
you are in a position where what you are proposing makes as little sense and peanut butter and pickles. So at this point you need to prove to us your use case justifies your insanity.
 
I think HTML and CSS are horrible technologies born in another century to accommodate needs which have changed, and that web design should be simpler. Moreover, I'm amazed that no clever transpilers exist (LESS and stuff like JADE or HAML aren't really what I mean)
 
@rlemon I like peanut butter an pickles
 
@mikedidthis but once click the link for "next week" the food shows up, where is that stored?
 
Mainly positioning, the positioning system is horrible and broken.
There has to be a simpler way to say what I want to put where and how it should scale on different screen sizes, doing vertical layouting can get needlessly complex
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hold your horses man. ~20 years is not long for a technology to grow. and we've seen great strides in the last <5 years. Moreso than the first ~12 combined if you ask me
 
8:06 PM
I shouldn't have to come up with really clever tricks to do basic stuff
 
@Tiina its not, its generated with javascript.
@Tiina the JS / RSS aren't linked.
 
I agree whole heatedly it's a PITA, but I also don't think they're being slow with the progression. I just expect perfection.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum CSS regions will help a lot in that respect, although I am not sure that it will be as robust as you'd like
 
@rlemon Think JavaScript 15 years ago vs. JavaScript now, or server-side development 20 years ago and now. These things have changed dramatically where HTML design has only changed a little.
 
@mikedidthis T T why I cannot see these
 
8:07 PM
The only think close to what I want is the flexbox model, that finally makes some sense, but still it's not even close
 
@Tiina because its created dynamicly.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I wish they'd do it like the Android guys do it.
 
@OctavianDamiean how does it work in android?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok I will agree there, but then again, layout engines have been focusing more on delivering consistent experience and speed and stability.
 
@mikedidthis and that js is not linked?
 
8:08 PM
My hopes is that in the next ~5-10 years we'll do away with HTTP all together.
 
@Tiina yes it is, but its like 10,000 lines of code and I can't work that out.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Let's say you want to center something in it's parent. You simply say, center_parent, or you have a box that should match its parent's dimensions, match_parent.
 
I don't think HTTP is the problem, I think HTTP is a good, stable and nice protocol with its verbs and statuses and all. I think stuff like WebRTC and sockets need to get a lot more stable, and I hope SPDY over HTTP gets more traction
 
And a lot more than that of course.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum HTTP is not the problem but it is very limiting. Stability goes a long way, which is why I don't think anyones really complaining right now.
 
8:09 PM
@Tiina my idea would be to a) see if the RSS gets update b) Speak to your Uni about the feed.
 
@OctavianDamiean center parent makes a lot more sense than margin: 0 auto not to mention vertical aligning which makes me make the element an inline-box, it's not inline, why should I have to declare it as such? -_-
 
@mikedidthis haha :)
 
@rlemon How is it limiting?
 
@mikedidthis the first one is easier
 
@Tiina So wait till Monday and see if its updated, I am 90% sure it will be.
 
8:11 PM
@mikedidthis actually I have just found one thing...
juvenes.fi/tabid/598/moduleid/1149/RSS.aspx this feed gives you 7 days, based on the "today"
 
@Tiina yes it does so in the morning, it will be updated ! :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum there are problems with performance and scalability due to TCP layer for one.
 
and this rss is generated by js? or manually?
 
@rlemon woah, wait a minute, would you like to replace TCP or HTTP? You can run one without the either
 
and when I say "problems" and "limiting" I don't really mean it is a problem today, but I know better technologies can and (do?) exist.
 
8:12 PM
web sockets run over TCP too
 
the RSS has nothing to do with the JS.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but HTTP interacts poorly with TCP
 
@rlemon the bigger problem is with BGP (which is a few levels above) and not TCP imho
 
this is known.
 
@rlemon Why? HTTP interacts beautifully with TCP, TCP provides reliance, HTTP just passes headers and then body.
Coding an HTTP server above TCP is fairly straightforward
 
8:14 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum certain aspects of it. Looking for the article right now.
 
@mikedidthis I m afraid I m lost. You said the next week menu is generated by js dynamically right? and the rss is always today + next 6 days
 
one of the w3c guys did a nice writeup on the performance problems with http
 
@Tiina I presumed it was one week at a time, but as you said its from today + 6 days. you have to forgive me, I don't read Finnish.
 
@mikedidthis if js could give the menu in some form, why rss is filled in manually
 
@rlemon k waiting
 
8:15 PM
:) I use translator too
at least most of the time
 
while looking I found this: altica.co.uk/SPDY-overview compares HTTP to SPDY
 
@mikedidthis and I am also confused why this rss is in Finnish but the page displays it in English. where/how is it translated
 
@rlemon Using Chrome? You're already using SPDY in sites that support it :) SPDY is just lightweight HTTP, doesn't send the headers every time, it's nice, it's not fundamentally different though
 
@Tiina This is what I think happens:
1) RSS feed is updated every 24 hours from the Uni Office with Meals
2) RSS is made available on the website
3) I have no idea what data powers the JS to dynamically create the menu.
4) The menu is translated via JS in Finnish / English.
 
hrm, I found an article that was referenced: w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.0/HTTPPerformance.html but I know some of this has changed in HTTP1.1
brb smoke
 
8:18 PM
cool
 
@mikedidthis <3 thanks
 
@Tiina No problem and good luck.
 
@mikedidthis are you a British?
 
stop the nonsense ! bring gopher back RFC1436
2
 
@Tiina yes ma'am.
 
8:19 PM
@mikedidthis :D
 
ma'am :D
 
@OctavianDamiean yes squire.
 
@kaᵠ twas sweet
 
@Tiina actually, it would be, yes my lady.
 
@kaᵠ RFC 2324 way better
The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP) is a facetious communications protocol for controlling, monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots. It is specified in RFC 2324, published on 1 April 1998 as an April Fools' Day RFC, as part of an April Fools prank. Protocol RFC 2324 was written by Larry Masinter, who describes it as a satire, saying "This has a serious purpose – it identifies many of the ways in which HTTP has been extended inappropriately." The wording of the protocol made it clear that it wasn't entirely serious; noting, for example, that "there is a strong, dark, ...
 
8:21 PM
too bad major browsers don't support it
 
@mikedidthis..... now I m not that sure
 
The Gopher protocol is a TCP/IP application layer protocol designed for distributing, searching, and retrieving documents over the Internet. Strongly oriented towards a menu-document design, the Gopher protocol presented an alternative to the World Wide Web in its early stages, but ultimately HTTP became the dominant protocol. The Gopher ecosystem is often regarded as the effective predecessor of the World Wide Web. Invented by a team led by Mark P. McCahill at the University of Minnesota, the protocol offers some features not natively supported by the Web and imposes a much stronger hi...
 
@kaᵠ IE6 supports it so it must be good
 
user652649
( who thinks that @alisamii looks like Ted Mosby? )
 
8:26 PM
:googles Ted Mosby:
 
Nah
Not really
 
@rlemon doing the same thing.
 
@rlemon HIMYM
 
@alisamii looks like Raj from TBBT
 
Naa, Samuel L Jackson
 
8:27 PM
I am glad I don't watch TV.
 
which is a good thing: I hear he gets tonnes of ass.
 
Well, I have no idea who those people are...
Samuel L Jackson I know
 
I suppose when you side-by-side them it's not soo much
 
!!/mustache alisamii
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum User -1 was not found.
 
8:29 PM
the eyes I think are the same
 
Wrong ethnicity
 
!!/mustache 1718570
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum User 1718570 was not found.
 
@alisamii who cares about that. I'm native american and get compared to every ethnicity but natives :P
in another thousand years we'll all be beige anyways. who cares about race.
 
@rlemon not making a statement about good or bad, just completely not the same
 
8:30 PM
you have to admit, skin colour, eyes, and nose are pretty close to eachother tho
hair / mouth is different.
your chin is a bit broader as well
 
skin colour = I had a tan
 
lips/nose do not match, rejected!
 
ok, well in the picture the skin tones match.
all we have to compare on is picture.
 
user652649
what i've started.
 
8:32 PM
haha
 
@Wes At least you know how I feel now :(
 
TOPIC CHANGE: Pants; love or hate?
 
You opened the box of Pandora.
 
!!/mustache kaᵠ
 
@kaᵠ User -1 was not found.
 
8:33 PM
shit, we have a bot here
!!/mustache kaᵠ
 
didn't find it a second time, and because the system doesn't allow dupe messages you don't get the second reply
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I actually had a moustache sort of like that for a while...daliesque
 
@kaᵠ User -1 was not found.
 
ha
 
tl;dr some features don't work cross-room for some reason
 
8:34 PM
@kaᵠ try your id number? 731947
 
user652649
guys, seriously, do you already know @alisamii before?
 
@rlemon who am I ????
@rlemon yes
!!/mustache Wes
 
@kaᵠ User -1 was not found.
 
user652649
don't you think that he might be offended by that picture?
 
blah
 
8:35 PM
in fact, a number of Brethren from my Lodge all had moustaches like that
 
@Zirak mustache doesn't work cross-room
 
if you don't want people messing with your picture (in a non-malicious way. mustaches are not malicious) then don't post a picture of yourself as your profile.
it's the internet.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum By user name, nothing works cross-room. Provide a user id.
 
!!/mustache 731947
 
8:36 PM
@mikedidthis User 731947 was not found.
 
@alisamii did I ever blinkify you?
!!/mustache 2312574
 
blinkify? no
 
are you sure???
 
no idea what blinkify is
 
user652649
8:37 PM
!!/coffee
 
@Wes "undefined"
 
user652649
@CapricaSix you are worthless.
 
!!/rules
 
@kaᵠ Command rules does not exist.
 
my god you are right
 
8:38 PM
great!
we're good now
 
give me 5 minutes.. i'll show you what blinkify is
 
!!/tell Wes help coffee
 
@Wes coffee: No info is available
 
...whoops
It eval's coffeescript
 
!!make ali blink or make ali wink
 
8:39 PM
!!/where is waldo
 
@rlemon make ali blink
@kaᵠ Command where does not exist.
 
I am probably going to regret not having ignored that question
 
nahh it's super awesome
 
@alisamii its part of the SO Chat initiation :)
 
@Wes it's a coffeescript shell
 
8:40 PM
like a rick roll is super awesome... :)
 
!!c> console.log "Hello World"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "undefined" Logged: "Hello World"
 
!!/accepted! Nuke launched. Now the universe
 
@kaᵠ Invalid command /accepted! Nuke launched. Now the universe
 
hmm
!!/help
 
MOAR PAINKILLERS MOAAAAR!!
 
!!/beautify 731947
 
@kaᵠ Command beautify does not exist.
 
!!/die in flames
 
@kaᵠ Registered; need 0 more to execute
 
8:43 PM
 
^ ?
 
keep watching it
 
!!/listcommands
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 420, help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, awsm, convert, define, get, google, hang, inhistory, learn, 5318008, bewbs, i_am_a_robot, aliens, ym, format, 3point14, camel, ihatelanadelrey, fa, knock, lick, insult, ultimateinsult, microlove, easytools, wherearethegoats, tobacconist, ninjad, sarcasm, adventure (page 0/2)
 
8:43 PM
ok, cute
 
!!/5318008
 
@kaᵠ I think therefore 5318008.
 
@alisamii see! "Blinkify"
makes sense now?
 
cool
 
yes...and it's fun, as you said
 
8:44 PM
!!/boobsconstant
 
@rlemon Command boobsconstant does not exist.
 
:(
 
!!/artisticpoop
 
rofl !
 
8:44 PM
!!> Math.tan(1.5707961387545628)
 
@rlemon 5318008.00253986
 
BOOBS! (with a a remainder)
!!> Math.tan(1.5707961387545628)|0
 
@rlemon 5318008
 
isn't it 80085 ?
 
8:46 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum you know, that is some of my best mspaintart ever..
 
or 8008135
 
@kaᵠ put 5318008 into your calculator and turn it upside down giggles
 
@rlemon I have a copy of it hanged on my wall
 
^
 
mspaint and art should not be put in the same sentence
 
8:47 PM
mspaintart is a word
 
I know
 
not two words.
 
@rlemon why weren't you wearing pants?
 
just saying, it causes convulsions.
 
@eazimmerman because then I would have crapped my pants and not on the slide.
 
8:48 PM
and I know it is one word...but I cannot accept that as a valid word
 
@rlemon if it was a water slide then that's basically a toilet
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum please actually print this and pin it on your home-office wall. I want to hear your wifes reaction when she sees it
 
user652649
1 message moved to Trash can
 
> "Umm, Sweetheart.... What in the good lord is this?"
 
@rlemon she'd be like "Oh Sweet! Slidepoop! I always wondered when you'd actually hang it"
 
8:48 PM
haha
you've told her of your love for slidepoop?
hrm... new canvas game idea.. kinda like reverse skiball. slidepoop. There is a sand castle at the bottom of the slide... you had a big lunch.. you have three 'shots' to destroy the castle! upgrades include 'the runs', 'extra fiber', 'mixed nutts'.
 
wow, so many people in the room today =o)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum seems like it would be right down newgrounds alley
amirite?
 
and so much off topic... it's like... the PHP or JS room
 
hey, i'm talking about programming.
 
@kaᵠ Technically, it is the JS room. :D
 
8:51 PM
@rlemon Newgrounds is a swell place for swell people
 
lol
 
the JS room invaded.
blame @mikedidthis
:P
 
user652649
if you guys are trying to challenge me, please don't, because i don't actually give a **** about all that. you are what your messages say about yourselves
 
When we're bored enough we just go invade other rooms.
 
wait what? @mikedidthis WHAT DID YOU DO?
 
8:52 PM
Wes has removed rlemon from the list of this room's owners.
 
@Wes I don't understand what this question is in reference to?
 
awww, Wes. no love for the JS'ers
 
whadda?
 
!!/unban 652649
 
8:53 PM
@rlemon Cannot find user Wes.
 
fine, i'll take you off my list as well
 
@rlemon User 652649 added to mindjail.
 
:P
I'm sorry that was mean.
 
@rlemon User 652649 freed from mindjail!
 
something is wrong
 
8:53 PM
but you're getting such a stern look right now.
 
Something like this? Ծ_Ծ
 
user652649
@rlemon indeed. so what about returning back to your room? just for hypothesis
 
Yeah I think this is the point I leave. I didn't mean to upset / annoy anyone, I just wanted someone to help me explain to @alisamii how he could improve his code. The last person I wanted to upset was @Wes. Again I am sorry.
 
@rlemon well, his handle says it all... @mikedidthis
 
See what you did there Bob?
 
8:56 PM
@Feeds Yay! I wondered how long that'd take :)
 
@Wes I don't see what your issue is. No one is insulting anyone, no one is being rude, we're talking about stuff that for the most part doesn't concern you. I don't get why you are upset? if someone wants to talk about HTML/CSS/DOM/WebDesign it's not like we're going to tell them to shut up we're talking
it's a chat. so we're chatting
 
I tried having a discussion about HTML CSS earlier but no-one talked to me
There are no IvoWetzel or SimonSarris people in this room
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I will talk to you. tell me what is on your mind.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I did! You're just ignoring me.
 
There is no Zirak active here, or people like that, the collective knowledge of this room in the HTML/CSS specifications is well
Except for BoltClock
Low
 
8:57 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum as will I
 
user652649
@rlemon a minimal level of professionality is required in this room, i'm sorry, you can't talk about pooping down a slide
 
HEY! I know a TONNE about HTML/CSS/etc from 2003ish...
 
@Wes I don't know what's that about him, always talking about that slide poop. Shame on you @rlemon
 
Actually, you shouldn't have pooped down a slide to begin with.
 
@Wes well that is your position. pooping down a slide is invigorating to say the least. you should try it some time.
 
8:59 PM
@rlemon yeah man, that was totally messed up, shame of you.
 
K, have to go eat dinner...I'll let you all talk about my 10000 IDs
 
@alisamii What about them?
 
@alisamii I would still like to see your HTML example of why these are needed
 

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