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9:00 AM
also uh provide both.
 
Let the compiler optimize. Period.
 
@MarkGarcia compiler can't optimize if you aren't explicit about const
 
user142019
Take best of both worlds: BigStruct const&&. :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fuck semantics.
 
user142019
Semantics first, then optimization crap.
 
9:03 AM
@BartekBanachewicz What discussion?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes about how Zoidberg's endline character choice (#) sucks
 
I don't use end of line markers in vim, because I don't use 'wrap'.
 
still, the arrows are way classier.
 
And even if I did, I use 'number', and that's enough of a visual clue for me.
 
aha.
> monad hell
 
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9:08 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't care whether it sucks in your opinion.
 
user142019
I like it, so I use it.
 
hey, don't take it so seriously
I am not forcing you to change it or something
 
user142019
I should have skipped this class.
 
I have no classes today :)
 
Well, blimey. I have spent nearly two hours figuring out why boost::fusion::for_each refused to work with std::tuple
Turns out, reordering some of the fusion includes fixes it... ZOMG
 
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9:14 AM
Why did it refuse to work with std::tuple, @sehe?
 
@sehe T_T
also, I just found out why Minicraft is crashing under MinGW
 
@Zoidberg ^^ I'm trying to establish exactly what goes wrong, so I might file it as a bug
 
user142019
Bugs. Bugs everywhere.
 
@BartekBanachewicz inb4 dynamic libraries thingies or current working directory
 
user142019
Oh cool.
 
9:16 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Oh man, that brings back memories.
 
user142019
If I double-click on parens it selects the range till the other matching paren.
 
user142019
Not that I'd ever use it. Clicking, meh.
 
@sehe oh my.
 
@sehe Sounds like a POI issue.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what was the reason?
 
9:18 AM
@sehe bad_cast :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but I was surprised. I mean, when <tuple> is included early (it is) and fusion/adapted/std_tuple.hpp and fusion/include/for_each.hpp are included, I'd figure that the relevant traits/tag types would be instantiated for std::tuple, regardless of the ordering of the 2 fusion includes
 
user142019
lol std::bad_cast.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thinking: locale()?
 
@sehe I am not sure yet.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So, actually, you don't know the reason. You just know the symptom :)
 
9:19 AM
@sehe welp, okay.
But until now, I was greeted with Windows crash splash
and now I at least now where shit hits the fan
 
Today is a bad day
 
user142019
I agree.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. Actually, I'm slightly misrepresenting it. The issue is really, when fusion/adapted.hpp is included before fusion/adapted/std_tuple.hpp (which would mean the ordering the in the 'group include file' is ... problematic). Hmm. Let me zoom in on that
@CatPlusPlus Well, it is monday
 
uhwh, I am afraid it's from boost.
 
It's the worst Monday
 
9:21 AM
@sehe ouch
 
I need to do something fun before I descend further into the uni madness this week
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, then it's more likely to be a lexical_cast choking on locale-specific number formats?
@LucDanton Don't you just love it when you get to spend extra time with boost "for free" :|
 
@sehe it happens in image loading, so I think it's more of vector of (unsinged)char thingies
 
heh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you using i(f)stream<unsigned char>? Because, then it is locale (more specificly codecvt facet).
You told/taught me that yourself, about a week ago :O
 
9:23 AM
std::basic_ifstream<unsigned char> file
 
Are streams imbued by default?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not gonna work on GCC.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes. They get a snapshot of the global locale
@BartekBanachewicz I should
 
@sehe My only excuse is that I am the one hurt most by my actions
 
9:24 AM
@CatPlusPlus However, libstdc++ doesn't have the relevant specializations for codecvt
 
C++ locale machinery is something I never really dug into
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not if I kill you. Then you'd be hurt the most by my action :)
 
@CatPlusPlus That sounds so wrong.
 
I can recognise MVP on sight but locales? It is a mystery
 
@CatPlusPlus Recently did, but I can't say I like it
 
9:25 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Imbue is fun word
 
Are streams imbibed by default?
 
@sehe I can say I don't like streams in general :v:
Someone was imbibed when they designed streams that's for sure
 
@Zoidberg std::bad_ass
4
 
btw you've seen nothing in the dept of fun MinGW crashes out of nowhere
I had strings disappearing mysteriously when passed down into Boost.Filesystem
 
@CatPlusPlus I think I might have. Try dynamic loading, cross DLL exceptions (yeah, I got wiser since) and/or unit test runners in the mix
@CatPlusPlus That's a security feature. It's a patch by McAfee
 
9:28 AM
I'm wary of passing anything non-trivial through DLL boundaries
 
As any wise man
I wasn't at the time
 
Let's design better I/O for C++
I haven't done anything non-work non-uni for fuck knows how long
 
Apr 3 at 18:55, by Bartek Banachewicz
uh, so char
Found it - only 5 days ago
 
now it throws bad_cast somewhere else
 
bad_code
 
9:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz interesting. somewhere where you accidentally left istreambuf_iterator<unsigned char> in?
(I'm psychic)
 
@CatPlusPlus It is. Not sure about what to map it to though. I have a host of nasty tricks that come very close to this, and I have contemplated scripting it myself. However, I'm lazy :)
 
Hm.
 
(Also depicted is Powerline which owns)
 
I just turne on some Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario Bros 2 music.
Now I want to play it or watch somebody do a decent playthrough of the games. =[
Maybe there's some speedruns I can watch.
 
9:36 AM
lparchive.org
 
@CatPlusPlus Mmm I thought that was ugly...
 
I like it a lot
 
@sehe another basic_ifstream, yeah
all bad_casts gone
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... perhaps you should find an IDE with text search capabilities :)
 
9:37 AM
@CatPlusPlus the arrow shapes at bottom :3
@sehe ha ha.
I am wondering why it can't open the file now.
 
user142019
Man.
 
(Note I don't know if they're decent or not but being here means they have a good chance of being decent)
@BartekBanachewicz That's Powerline
 
user142019
There better be a train from Dordrecht to Roosendaal.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's waaay coool
 
@LucDanton so, I just 'bisected' that the problem crops up when fusion/adapted/boost_tuple.hpp preceeds fusion/adapted/std_tuple.hpp. Sadly, this is precisely what one gets by just including fusion/adapted.hpp (my routine include)
 
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9:38 AM
Damn collisions.
 
@Zoidberg Multiple
@Zoidberg What?
 
user142019
@sehe aanrijding => chaos
 
The New Super Mario Bros Wii one is pretty cool AFAIR
 
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9:39 AM
@CatPlusPlus awesome game that is.
 
@Zoidberg No train collision, I hope?
 
Hm.
 
I'm talking about the LP though
 
Needs more speedrun.
 
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@sehe do I know.
 
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9:40 AM
Usually when it's a collision with a human they say that explicitly; to make people cry, I think.
 
also I want this font he is using
 
@Zoidberg Obviously
 
user142019
Maybe it's with a car. Nobody knows.
 
user142019
Or with a stone.
 
9:40 AM
I prefer LPs but vOv
 
@Zoidberg I can't find it, so it's probably <100 casualties
 
LPs are good in certain cases.
But onyl certain cases.
 
Vinyl cases (admit it, that was subliminal in 'onyl')
 
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> De beperkingen tussen Dordrecht en Lage Zwaluwe als gevolg van een aanrijding met een persoon zijn voorbij.
 
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9:41 AM
Oh, nice.
 
user142019
> Gebruik de Fyra (zonder toeslag) tussen Amsterdam C en Breda.
 
user142019
Maybe I should go to Breda just because the Fyra is free today.
 
user142019
And Breda is awesome.
 
@Zoidberg Yeah. Nevermind that Fyra travels dog slow anyways. Technical issues with the material
 
9:42 AM
@ThePhD Eh, it's Mario
 
user142019
@sehe the old Fyra.
 
user142019
The new one is out of order.
 
It's not really the most difficult game in the universe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aha "amazing in vim powerline". Thanks
 
user142019
@sehe Fyra is slow as a dog. Sprinter will run circles around Fyra, because Sprinter is web scale.
 
9:43 AM
I'd rather watch a humorous video than straight speedrun
 
@sehe A cursory glance at the tickets doesn't bring up anything relevant.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's $70/$170, in case you haven't noticed.
 
That's pretty ugly
 
Dat Luigi spam.
 
@sehe That looks unhinted.
 
9:44 AM
@sehe When it says "no ClearType" and looks ugly it means "designed for ClearType"
 
@LucDanton The horror is, I have noticed this quirk before, and sorta stumbled across the same kind of workaround. Back then, I just assumed PEBCAK and blamed myself
> Handhinted for best possible view. More than 1200 characters optimized from 9pt to 48pt to guarantee the best possible readability
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there are certain sources in the certain places of the Internet I will not speak of, but the .ttf is already on my HDD
 
user142019
@sehe dat font.
 
@sehe no smoothing
 
@Zoidberg Some people here are quite taken with it
 
user142019
9:46 AM
Okay.
 
user142019
I'm almost in Dordrecht. Let's see.
 
I have Powerline-patched DejaVu Sans Mono in my vimrc repo
It's great
 
@sehe Dude, you opened the screenshot that read "aliased".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you should have a notification on github.
 
user142019
I left class. :v
 
user142019
9:46 AM
Am I bad now?
 
I don't know what you were expecting.
"aliased" = "ugly".
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah.
 
@bamboon Thanks.
 
So I take it overloading bool, std::string and string literals all at once is a big mess.
 
9:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, the guy puts them up there as advertising, no?
 
alright then
 
He's not very good at computers?
 
got another phone interview at the Googles
 
(I wouldn't pay 170$ for a fucking font if it was the most beautiful thing in the whole world)
It looks better at bigger sizes with hinting
 
user142019
9:49 AM
Oh.
 
Looks too narrow.
 
user142019
Apparently, this train goes to Roosendaal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah. the same in VS
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nice enough, indeed looks like a different font
 
user142019
Only I will be ten billion hours late for the bus. :v
 
9:49 AM
The line numbers are nice
 
I guess I got a borked file
 
user142019
Intercity, even.
 
user142019
Wonderful. I love the Dutch railways.
 
anyway, what are the differences between $70 and $170?
 
@sehe Are the line numbers are in the same font?
 
9:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
@BartekBanachewicz Supported blocks and styles probably
 
user142019
Maybe, you know, maybe I will be on time afterall.
 
@BartekBanachewicz $100.
 
And that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...
 
9:50 AM
I feel too serious now
Thanks robot
 
Essential Pragmata Pro Regular $9
FYI.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Brilliant
 
user142019
I use Menlo 11pt in Vim.
 
9:51 AM
One style and probably stripped down to Basic Latin and Latin Supplement :v:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Irony is well received in the lounge
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
Ooh, no, it has bold version too
 
@CatPlusPlus the price difference is quite noticeable
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes np
 
9:52 AM
662 glyphs
Wait, what
Why is bold version 69$
 
moar pixelz
 
It has 173 glyphs :psyduck:
 
@LucDanton tru dat
 
@LucDanton Dammit, my joke.
 
I DON'T GET IT
(Guy's not very good at selling fonts I guess)
 
9:54 AM
ITT: Cat confronted with reality loses it.
 
It makes no sense
 
yeah, it's weird imo
 
@CatPlusPlus I see none of the Hebrew he display on his website.
 
Font price is derived from time you spent designing and implementing it
So why would you charge more for the font you spent less time on, and charge almost nothing for a font you spent more time on
 
@CatPlusPlus Maybe designing bold glyphs is harder?
 
9:56 AM
> This feature was introduced to fight hash collision attacks on web servers that are using Lua.
wait what?
 
Is this really that hard of a concept
 
It was probably introduced to explicitly break any code that relied on a specific order. Thus, people who accidentally wrote such code will get incorrect behavior and fix it. — Nicol Bolas 2 hours ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really, it's just wider paths
 
wait, what
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, if you don't care how it looks.
 
9:57 AM
You still need time to make it look right but fuck it should take less time to get from base glyph to bold glyph than from nothing to base glyph
 
you should ask the author
aawwww yeahh Minicraft compiled by MinGW and running!
 
Whatever, I don't like it anyway. The glyphs are too tall.
 
And he does the same thing for full font too!
Regular one is 19$ and has 1882 glyphs
 
oh my.
And it works like bazillion times faster.
Ah, detached debugger
 
@CatPlusPlus It might also be related to demand.
 

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