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9:04 PM
dunno ... my college education was quite good
 
@Pheagey And what they call a a tutorial is actually: here's ten pages with two complicated controls each. You're gonna need them.
 
@Jasper The demo is about a year+ old. The current 'full' version is a pretty good bit better refined.
Check the wiki (surprise :D).
 
But it's their only "hook" into the game. They themselves say it's sort of a demo (at which it fails horribly)
 
So many Codeigniter PHP developers.
 
@WesleyMurch One row per question, please :) Because cvbacklog.gordon-oheim.biz
 
@webarto: Will do, I had some issue with formatting - might need to practice.
@webarto Is that what I think it is?
Magic?
 
@WesleyMurch Markdown won't render multiline tags, etc. One tag per comment.
@WesleyMurch It reads from this chat room :)
 
Very cool.
 
9:15 PM
Evening
 
Knowing that, I'll keep the CV calls to PHP questions. I wish the CSS room was more active....
 
Does the exist outside PHP chat?
 
afaik, no
 
@DaveRandom Evening mr dave
 
9:16 PM
but you can check the source to verify
 
@WesleyMurch We'll always review other tags, some questions are obviously terrible in a language-agnostic way
 
@WesleyMurch The plugin will support all SE sites in the next version, at the moment it only works on SO and afaik we are the only ones that use it. The backlog only scrapes this room but that's also on the issues list
 
Pro_ajax extends CI_Controller <-- fantastic
 
@DaveRandom I think I like the commits. Makes me indeed think I was doing it the wrong way around
 
9:18 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/7696981/… .. also, a "lol" included at the bottom
 
@DaveRandom websockets will be useful for that ;)
 
@DaveRandom: Thanks for the info, I didn't realize how hi-tech it was...
 
@PeeHaa I have had a bit of an epiphany about the frame parsing actually, I realised what I don't like about what I did and why its doing too much. Needs moar abstraction.
 
I have a new pet. I think I need to use websocket for everything now. A bit like my affection with xpath. Oh I see you need to get all divs in a document. Better use xpath :P
 
@DaveRandom yeh probably
Can't we just send a list with all those questions to some mod? :P
Or better yet. We need to infiltrate the system
 
You're on your own @tereško:
> You've reached the maximum of 18 Deletion votes per day; come back in 2 hours
Leave no man behind!
 
:(
 
i will soon reach my limit too
 
9:26 PM
@PeeHaa I think Zirak has already done that with the bot, I think he reverse engineered the chat websocket prot to make it work
 
just decided to clean up + again
 
user895378
@PeeHaa I'm leaning in that direction too :)
 
user895378
websockets_all_of_the_things!.jpg
 
WebSocket is the new AJAX
 
WebSocket is going to take over teh webz!
 
9:31 PM
@webarto you still have not learned the J part in the "old ajax"
 
user895378
@tereško @webarto knows jQuery!
 
and no , J in AJAX does not stand for "jquery"
 
jQuery? Awww he beat me too it
 
     $ticketArray = $ticketObject->toArray();

      $array_rename_key = function(&$array, $old_key, $new_key) {
        $array[$new_key] = $array[$old_key];
        unset($array[$old_key]);
      };

      $keep = function(&$array, $keys) {
        $array = array_intersect_key($array, array_flip($keys));
      };

      $array_rename_key($ticketArray, 'Staff', 'staff');
      if ($ticketArray['staff_id'] !== NULL)
        $keep($ticketArray['staff'], ['id', 'email', 'full_name']);
      else
        $ticketArray['staff'] = NULL;
f* me right
I have PHP to learn!
 
user895378
Someone hates curly braces ...
 
9:33 PM
I removed them intentionally prior to pasting.
 
I think he actually has them
lol
I knew it!
 
@tereško I prefer XHR but no, I don't know J :)
 
@PeeHaa it's plugin for notifications :P (I made it to celebrate websockets working)
I stole the sounds from SO.
 
9:36 PM
@webarto We do the same for the plugin :)
We even steal the player :P
 
That sound is used so much, it faded.
 
@WesleyMurch now my day is complete
 
:pukes:
@tereško Weren't you using jQuery for your real work? I doubt you persuaded them to rewrite with newer jQuery, not to mention native JS.
 
@webarto i am using native JS to do the "real work" part. One thing is to use current jquery ... quite another thing is having to work with v1.2.4
 
9:43 PM
Close vote buffet: stackoverflow.com/…
 
@tereško Well, it's good they allowed that, "mixing" jQuery with JS. (sounds so wrong)
I'm not a fan of these new submit buttons. They don't fit it IMHO.
 
@webarto me neither
Way too tweaked for a programming site
 
@PeeHaa Everything is flat and they look like lab.simurai.com/buttons
 
@MohammadRahmani Have you seen the question?
 
9:45 PM
@MohammadRahmani: Try to make it more readable.
 
@webarto Those look like xtc pills :P
 
We can't, but we can close it.
@PeeHaa I'm don't know what are you talking about :P
 
:)
Me neither. So I have heard ;)
 
@MohammadRahmani Is that question-min.js ?
> Please show me some code if possible.
 
9:48 PM
@MohammadRahmani Are you going to edit your question to make it readable?
 
@webarto I'm having trouble to judge whether it should be closed. I'll give him some minutes, because I'm in a good mood today
 
We should make CV hour once a day...
 
asdf
 
close ALL the CV-PLS
 
@Howdy_McGee I prefer qwaxz
 
@PeeHaa Me too, but OP doesn't show interest. And question can't be answered, but discussed, and that is not what main site is for.
 
Wow. It looks like @WesleyMurch actually took the challenge and read the thing
 
zOMG... I thought he edited everything...
 
9:51 PM
@webarto looooool
 
@MohammadRahmani Last call for edit. I repeat last call for edit
 
@PeeHaa stackoverflow.com/questions/14842267/… If you read it now, you see there are 3-4 questions, and it doesn't make sense.
 
Random post for your amusement: stackoverflow.com/questions/11405398/…
 
@igorw nah no twitter
 
9:54 PM
@WesleyMurch can you screenshot it for us mortals? :)
@nathan Nice edit bro :P — PeeHaa 3 mins ago
LOL
 
@igorw trying to decide how to shorten the namespaces, but whatever i change them to will be in v0.2
 
@webarto I tend to do that too :P
 
ok .. enough trolling ones afflicted by codeigniter
 
@webarto: My screen res is bad and I don't have a better screencap tool handy other than "Print Screen", but here is the question:
"Is there a possibility to turn on users javascript with JS, if the users browsers javascript is turned off? if yes how do I do that?"
 
@PeeHaa Isn't it removed automatically?
@WesleyMurch LOL I figured it was something like that :) Thanks
I better shut up and reach 10k. So I can laugh at deleted answers.
 
9:57 PM
@webarto Not for ktnxbye IIRC
 
@PeeHaa hiya
 
I think you just do:
<noscript>window.location = document.URL + '?js=enabled';</noscript>
 
Heya @InGodITrust
 
Something like that (sorry for not using jquery)
 
^ quick learner
 
9:58 PM
@PeeHaa doesn't seem like kthxbai :\ i.imgur.com/8QRKVnE.png
@WesleyMurch Respect
 
Yet another feature I like to abuse: querySelector(All). It's sooo jQuery :)
 
@PeeHaa havent been here in ages ;) seeking to find out if companies tend to host thier email addresses on thier webhost like HOSTGATOR or create free gmail accounts and use forwarding and send-from to make it appear like it comes from an address from your company? Any best practice?
 
emm .. guys , btw , i think we should do some extensive cleanup in + .. if possible - some time around this weekend
 
@tereško Count me in
 
@InGodITrust You don't need to spoof anything. Just buy Google for Business and you're all set to use GMail with their servers and you own domain.
 
10:01 PM
@InGodITrust Most companies will host mail themself or use some cloud thingy (like @webarto pointed out)
 
@webarto and why buy it if it works for free.
@PeeHaa what is the point of Google for Business if I could register a free gmail account, forward email to it and change the send-from value to my own domain name?
 
@InGodITrust Not sure, but here are some reasons google.com/enterprise/apps/business/products.html#gmail
 
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Q: Trying to get Key given the Value From Multi-dimensional Array

iroegbuI have an array thus (got this using var_dump): array 0 => array 'post_id' => string '6' (length=1) 1 => array 'post_id' => string '9' (length=1) I want to get the key when I have just the post_id. For example, I want '0' returned if I have '6' and '1' if ...

 
@InGodITrust One address or many? Company doesn't sound like one.
@tereško +1
 
@InGodITrust I highly doubt that would work reliably if at all, for a multitude of reasons
 
10:04 PM
@DaveRandom such as
 
@InGodITrust that would not help with your spam reputation
 
@webarto why not a few then
@PeeHaa shouldnt trigger any spam problems, gmail makes you validate the send from by sending an email to it
 
@InGodITrust You can associate that addresses with your GMail account (not sure how much), and log into SMTP and force sender, etc. But that is not the way it's meant to be played.
 
if you recieve it even if it is through forwarding to that email address then it passes the test
 
Google probably won't allow it, and even if they do your emails will get eaten by spam filters because various things about the email won't tally with the source, which is why Google probably wont allow it.
 
@InGodITrust Well if you are able to send an email to it to validate it why aren't you able to send an email from it?
 
@DaveRandom you can. Once they see you can recieve emails from the address, you can set the send-from value to that address. It works fine
 
@DaveRandom support.google.com/mail/bin/… This, but...
 
@DaveRandom the address doesnt exist, its only forwarding
 
@DaveRandom You make an email address on your server, you forward it to some gmail, you go to gmail, add that email@domain.com, validate it (enter code in gmail sent to that mail), and then you can send as email@domain.com from gmail (mail is signed by gmail), BUT, receiving depends on redirection, so you still need a server...
@InGodITrust If you have a server, then just use it. No need for Gmail. In Gmail for Business, you set up your domain MX records to point to Gmail, that is entirely different thing.
 
10:09 PM
@webarto storage reasons, also what happens if you switch hosts? Much easier to move if it is all stored on Gmail
 
@InGodITrust It's called migration, and it's not easier at all... Migration is a matter of pack, transfer, unpack, import...
But I don't care.
 
@webarto assuming you stick with cpanel
but with gmail hosting it, you just add a new forwarding address on the new server
 
Ok, what is your point? You don't want to spend $20 a year?
 
@webarto just asking if there is any gain. Perhaps organisation?
 
> I'm not rich enough to afford cheap things.
 
10:15 PM
@webarto @InGodITrust That's not what I meant but it doesn't really matter. IMO Exchange + off-site backup is the only sane choice for business critical email storage
 
@webarto I hear, and you think it better then hosting it yourself on your own server?
 
@InGodITrust Define yourself, define your own.
 
@DaveRandom what do you mean, Exchange
 
@DaveRandom Yeah, I lost the drift. Word.
 
@webarto hosting the actual data and email addresses on Hostgator is worse off then using Google Business?
 
10:16 PM
@InGodITrust Of course.
 
@webarto why
 
Microsoft Exchange Server is a mail server, calendaring software and contact manager developed by Microsoft. It is a server program that runs on Windows Server and is part of the Microsoft Servers line of products. History Planning the migration from Microsoft's internal "legacy XENIX-based messaging system" to the Exchange Server environment began in April 1993, and the process was completed in the late 1996 when the last XENIX server on the MS corporate backbone had been removed. Exchange 1.0 Windows Messaging, initially called Microsoft Exchange, is an e-mail client that was included...
I hate the idea of relying on Google not to turn evil and start persecuting me from my email content.
 
Am I the only one why often makes the mistake of writing user My\Samespace?
Or:
Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a groupware email server and web client created by Zimbra, Inc., located in Palo Alto, California, USA. The company was purchased by Yahoo! in September 2007, and subsequently acquired by VMware on January 12, 2010. According to former Zimbra President and CTO Scott Dietzen, the name for Zimbra is derived from the song "I Zimbra" by Talking Heads. Edition The software consists of both client and server components. Two versions of Zimbra are available: an open-source version, and a commercially supported version ("Network Edition") with closed-sou...
 
@PeeHaa It's a reflex :P
 
Feb 7 at 10:10, by DaveRandom
Yes, that is something I worry about. Google have managed to get a public image of a kind of BDFL for the internet, but I do worry that Larry and Sergei are sitting in a lair in a volcano somewhere, plotting the demise of mankind.
 
10:17 PM
@DaveRandom cheers, but google are alright, at least at the moment
 
can has httpd => sudo apt-get httpd
alias can sudo
alias has apt-get
alias get 'apt-cache search'
can has httpd. can get httpd... :-D
 
nomination for most useless comment of the year:
    // This is a self-recurring function that makes a complex nested array out of a simple split array
 
nah, that's not the most useless comment of the year. Not even of the day
// this code is executed <-- most useless comment of the year
5
 
@ircmaxell :D
 
fair enough
 
10:24 PM
@ircmaxell I actually lol'd
 
@Lusitanian too bad, you should consider it even if only as a push-only channel for your blog posts
 
Can someone help with my question on arrays?
0
Q: Trying to get Key given the Value From Multi-dimensional Array

iroegbuI have an array thus (got this using var_dump): array 0 => array 'post_id' => string '6' (length=1) 1 => array 'post_id' => string '9' (length=1) I want to get the key when I have just the post_id. For example, I want '0' returned if I have '6' and '1' if ...

 
I'm out, later all
 
@DaveRandom We might need to add some validation in here just in case somebody passes uuhhmmm idunno an array for whatever stupid reason ;)
 
Still, the "complex nested array" actually means "a complex data structure that is implemented using nested arrays and isn't documented anywhere" and that makes that comment rather useless
 
10:26 PM
@iroegbu Just change $key = $k2; to $key = $k1; in the answer you have
 
Of course, the real offender is of course the code
 
@ircmaxell Damn you, I lost SQL query from clipboard because I copied that command :)
 
@DaveRandom thanks a lot
 
Qrgh1; keyboqrd does strqnge things:::
 
That did it
 
10:28 PM
@PeeHaa Well that's why I put the cast in, so that if you are that stupid it'll throw a warning, also so that objects that implement __toString() are acceptable. I guess you can implement some kind of error checking but at the end of the day you can code around only so much stupidity (m-m-m-m-multiping!)
 
Ah, that's better
 
@DaveRandom Tell me about it... ;)
 
Anyway, as I was saying when my keyboard so rudely interrupted me, I don't know why I ever thought that using nested arrays as complicated data structures (without any documentation) was a good idea
 
// sometimes I think the parser ignores my comments
 
:P
@WesleyMurch So sometimes you think it doesn't?
 
10:36 PM
@rdlowrey Any chance of getting to see your server code some time soon? Your websocket comment has been playing on my mind a little, would like to have a play around with a few things. Also have you given any thought to how to handle dynamic content yet? fcgi? Also are you doing anything with with pthreads or somekind of prefork-like setup?
 
@webarto @PeeHaa @DaveRandom thanks, gnite
 
nite
 
later @InGodITrust
Toughest OCD decision of my life http://i.imgur.com/SuZQUWF.jpg
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@rdlowrey would go mad
 
LOL
Cheap fuel :(
 
:(
 
10:45 PM
@igorw eh i'll consider it.
@PeeHaa THAT would drive me INSANE
you do not understand. i would visibly wretch.
 
I indeed really don't
:P
 
unsympathetic...tsk.
did you pull hard enough to get v0.1.1?
 
@Lusitanian No. I cloned as a motherfucker instead
 
lol
 
haha
I think I found out what that "complex nested array" actually was: a crude abstract syntax tree
Not that I knew what an ast was when I wrote the code...
Oh, and the code really doesn't need an ast either
It did when I was still interpreting my templates
but when I moved to "compiling" them to php, I didn't take them out, so it's all still using the abstract syntax tree despite not needing one
 
10:56 PM
stop comparing lebron to jordan. he is not and will never be as good.
 
Ah well, at least I can say I came up with the concept of an abstract syntax tree without any help, that's something
 
this has been a public service announcement.
 
I did it in a horrible way using messy nested arrays, but I did actually do it :D
 
lol, nice
@webarto is there a jquery plugin for embedding asp .net in jquery?
@webarto urgent respond soon plz
 
11:11 PM
What PHP framework would be suitable for a small application which primarily exposes a JSON API. It should be easy to build a simple admin interface for CRUD operations witha MySQL backend. Redis would be used for caching. Needs to run effectively on a EC2 micro instance. Should be later extensible for serving a website based on the JSON API
 
@AkshayAgarwal Why would you use a framework for that?
Also, if redis would be purely used for caching, why not just use memcached?
 
@Lusitanian the specs are currently very low considering that I am just building a working prototype for an idea, wanted to use a framework so that it has an extensible structure.
I was also confused between Memcached and redis but then seems that people are moving to redis from memcached
 
that would be cargo cult programming. redis has a different use-case -- it has more structure and persists to disk
as for frameworks...read this blog post (link incoming)
evenin' @crypticツ
 
good day @Lusitanian
 
@Lusitanian redis supports a very wide range of use cases, in-memory cache (with optional persistence) is one of them.
 
11:16 PM
6:16 counts as evening
@igorw hmm.
i thought it was meant to be used as more of a persisted key-value store with certain data structures
but i'll take your word for it
 
I got a PHP compile problem =o( I've been sitting on compiling for about a month but it's about time I got back to fixing it.
 
@crypticツ your first problem is that you're using windows
 
was also planning to use redis for determining whats trending, basically storing request data
 
actually that's probably your only problem.
 
@Lusitanian I don't use Windows
 
11:18 PM
damnit.
what do you use
 
I haven't since 2006
 
Using Windows is bad?
 
for compiling php or pecl extensions, yes
'tis a pain in the arse
@DaveRandom just so you know, i used your funny way of saying 'ass' again
 
@Lusitanian thanks for the link but somehow I am fixated on the idea of using a framework, which one would you suggest
 
@AkshayAgarwal none.
your reason given for using a framework didn't really make sense, tbh.
 
11:20 PM
hmm ... not all that bad question in : stackoverflow.com/questions/14808142/…
i'm a bit shocked
 
why is everyone here opposed to the idea of using frameworks?
 
configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
checking build system type... x86_64-pc-none
checking host system type... Invalid configuration `p': machine `p' not recognized
configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub p failed

However this is my command `./configure --build=x86_64 $CONFIG` it worked fine for a long time didn't change anything then host did some updates that I have no idea about and it would not longer work
 
@Lusitanian :) thanks anyway
 
@iroegbu because majority of php frameworks are terrible
 
@AkshayAgarwal good luck with your project, i'd certainly reconsider that decision though
 
11:21 PM
@Lusitanian generally yes, but you can disable persistence if you wish. at that point it's just an in-memory data store that can store data structures by key. one of those supported structures is a string. at that point you basically have something like memcache. :)
 
but reviews for symfony and zend don't seem that bad
 
@Lusitanian I disagree. I think "I want to" is one of the best reasons to use a framework
 
has anyone here been using Phalcon or Laravel in a production system
 
@Jasper by that logic "i want to" is a good reason to throw a brick at someone
sorry but i disagree.
@igorw at that point you might as well have just used memcached ;)
(imho)
 
I use frameworks because it makes me feel like I know what I'm doing.
 
11:23 PM
@Lusitanian It is. There are better reasons not to do so, though.
 
@Jasper same goes for using a framework.
 
I think the 'Which Framework (if any)' mostly boils down to 'Works for me' I was using Laravel until recently but just wanted to have some second opinions if something other could be better for the project in hand
 
@Lusitanian sure, as far as I'm concerned either will work. both are valid tools for the job.
 
I'd drink whatever is in that mug, the dog looks legit enough.
 
@crypticツ Have you tried it without the --build argument? I was under the impression that was for cross-compiling, as that what you are doing?
My fingers don't do what I tell them to
 
11:27 PM
@DaveRandom yeah it initially didn't have the build argument and it errors with same error, but I tried to follow advice in error message and it still has same error.
 
@igorw reasonable enough. i'm now somewhat addicted to jekyll/octopress btw, it's really cool.
 
@Lusitanian So not as bad as you thought?
 
@Lusitanian Well, I'd say that "I want to" includes "I don't mind the extra work this causes" and "I don't mind working with an API that may be considered poor" and even "I don't mind the result being slower because of this"
 
@crypticツ So the Invalid configuration p': machine p' not recognized part of the error is still the same?
 
@DaveRandom yep
 
11:30 PM
@PeeHaa precisely, after setting up a git repo with post-receive hooks for deployment + learning the config and the templates, it's been more fun
i.e. i rtfm'ed
 
lol
 
time to spend the votes , before i forget
 
IF the same would go for the brick (i.e. your only reason not to is the consequences it has, yet you want it so bad that you're willing to face those) then it would be a good reason as well
Of course, I hope there are other reasons you don't throw bricks at people...
 
@Jasper but more often it's "I want to use a framework". Then, two months later. "This is hard to maintain and slow!!!"
it's like activerecord. "wow, it's so cool, $object->save();" three months later..."help i broke my code and i don't know where and it's not tested because it's impossible to test wat."
too often people don't know the consequences of bad design
not to say that all frameworks are badly designed.
 
@DaveRandom I even tried replacing the config.sub with the latest version from here git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/… and still same error.
 
11:32 PM
symfony2 and probably zf2 it's quite reasonably possible to maintain an app in
 
man whats wrong with notepad++
when i write sometime next to some letter
after that all letter automatically remove
 
Fair enough, I assumed an informed choice, you assumed an uninformed choice. Perhaps the best compromise would have been to point at the problems and ask if the user was sure he was willing to cope with those negatives
 
@crypticツ Yeh I wouldn't have thought that would help, p is never likely to be valid and it's .configure that's obtaining that value (I think). Which PHP version are you trying to build?
 
also, if you suck at application design and architecture , the frameworks will not save you
 
@MalikUsman N++ does some strange magic sometimes, have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
11:36 PM
lol let me try
 
@Lusitanian Sorry, no, better make one... Awesome jQuery ASP.NET Embeddr
 
@DaveRandom The last version I was successful in compiling was 5.5a2, tried with a3 same error, now trying with a4 same error
 
hiya
 
thanks @Jasper fixed :D
 
Ohmy did I have some fun, got an audioclip recorded for PHPixie.com =)) now there's a rather silly voice presenting the framework)
 
11:38 PM
@AkshayAgarwal 1.) Why the f* do you need framework? 2.) If you don't know how to make JSON server, use e.g. Zend_Json_Server 3.) Use PDO 4.) ???
 
ugh, I finally get a chance to go on SO today and this is the first question I open...
not sure i want to continue down this path
 
@orourkek I'll be stuck on 8k forever.
 
in b4 @Lusitanian
 
^ good call
 
11:41 PM
zOMG, answers are worse than question.
 
Completely off topic, but pretty awesome:
 
@crypticツ does 5.5a2 still build? (i.e. is it the system or is it PHP)
 
@webarto I think I gave an over simplified view of my problem, hence the need for a framework seems unjustified/overkill but I need lot more than just a JSON server. The application will evolve a lot with time and I dont want to reinvent the wheel always.
 
@DaveRandom let me give a2 a try
 
@AkshayAgarwal Zend Framework 2 I'd say.
 
11:46 PM
@webarto Thanks :)
 
@Jasper Nice, after minute or two heh.
 
well zend is the very definition of overkill
 
That is not true.
 
a single website that i has a misfortune of doing in zend eats up more total CPU time than 3 similar kohana websites on my vps
if the tasks is simple the tool should be simple too
 
@webarto does ZF2 have significant performance improvement thatn ZF1?
 
11:48 PM
if you need to post json back and forth there is no way to justify using ZEND for this
 
*than
 
it's still slower than anything else
 
protip: there's probably no way to justify the usage of any framework for this, but we're clearly past that stage
and zf2 is a decent option in terms of architecture
 
even with the improvements
 
@webarto It takes some time before it gets really good, but it's worth the wait :D
 
11:49 PM
. . . you can use Kohana with ZF nicely, but can you?
 
wha?
 
ZF1 (which you are referring to) is more of a set of tools than framework.
 
@AkshayAgarwal try Silex, Slim or my PHPixie. If there is no database access etc you could try Glue even
 
Oh, JFC...
 
you dn't like slim webarto?
 
11:51 PM
@DaveRandom aaah same error. I'm going to run configure without any options maybe it's one of the extensions causing it.
 
ehh .. making baby steps towards a silver in oop and bronze in design-pattens and architecture tags
 
@Dracony Not true, I don't like someone ditching something because it's not slim (that is so sexist). ZF2 is more advanced than Kohana, no reason to use Kohana over that, if you need something from ZF1, then just use it, they are standalone (Zend_Json_Server), etc.
 
yeah .. something glitched
 
WebSuckets
@tereško Gold would take few years, right? :)
 
@webarto i still have a soft spot for kohana, since it was the framework with which is begun trip down the rabbit's hole
i have 389 in .. silver is only 11 votes away, but yeah, i doubt i would get gold sooner then end of this year
 
11:57 PM
@webarto ZF1 tried to make things standalone. in my experience this is mostly not true in practice.
 
ZF1 tried to make procedural framework by abusing class and static
 
And it still has a lots of bugs.
 

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