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1:07 PM
Somebody talk; I've been waiting for like 10 minutes and all the rooms I'm in apparently went dead right after I (possibly) fixed alert sounds
Never mind, somebody posted in general right after I said that. And I rather like the alert sound
 
uh, we have been talking!
on the grandfather of all chats!
 
@badp Well that doesn't help me here the SO alert sound :)
On a related note, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to tell Chrome's Flashblock to disable blocking on a site without having a flash video to click on
 
You SO youngens think you are all the rage :P
Even Gaming had chat before you did!
 
I ended up using jQuery to inject a video into the chat frame so I could click it
 
(I know you also lurk on MSO, that "you" is more general)
 
1:08 PM
you like the sound?
it is awful ):
 
@rchern You hating it is possibly why I like it, but it seems good to me
 
oy
 
BTW, I enabled sound "for all rooms", but haven't heard it yet.
Also, any way to write multiline messages?
 
20 mins ago, by Marc Gravell
flash block?
 
Oops, maybe.. just disabled plugin... I'll wait for result.
 
1:11 PM
re multiline: usually that'll just be stuff you copy/pasted from elsewhere. If you positively have to type a multiline message, you can use shift+enter
2
 
btw, why did you put a length limit for single line messages?
 
@rchern now I'm agree with you about sound )
 
I'm not saying it's unreasonable, I'm saying it originally it was designed without it :)
it's kind of annoying (but bearably so) when I want to quote something and hit that limit.
 
@badp because of welbog
 
@balpha that's an anti-reason.
 
1:13 PM
what did you expect? :)
 
Sorting of starred messages right from the chat works by these three steps? 1) your own stars 2) pinned by room's owner 3) other messages, sorted by of number of stars by users
Or 3rd is sorted by date?
 
I found a bug
If I star in the right hand pane, it doesn't star in the main message list, and if I then star in the main message list it un stars
Just starred:
13 mins ago, by balpha
re multiline: usually that'll just be stuff you copy/pasted from elsewhere. If you positively have to type a multiline message, you can use shift+enter
I see *2 next to it in the main transcript above. One is my star. But it's black
 
confirmed
 
Cool
Very nitpicky, I agree :-)
 
@Nakilon your own stars don't matter, everyone sees the same list
sorted by pins, and then by a combination of age and star count
2
 
2:02 PM
What about having a way to refer to a room in chat? Like #General referring to the general room (and linking to it)
 
@VinkoVrsalovic You can post the room link and it will onebox

Chat feedback

Problems with chat? Let us know...
 

General

General discussion
But that's unwieldy.
 
I suppose, but it's also unambiguous; I think you can have multiple rooms with the same name
You can do it manually, but it still requires the URL: #General
 
2:26 PM
If I want to propose some feature for chat, where should I tell about it? On meta.stackoverflow.com? Or just tell about it here? Or somewhere else?
 
here or tagged as [chat] on meta, or in the chat feedback room on meta's chat
 
2:44 PM
OK @rchern I'm in my office now where I have headphones. Can you notify me please?
So I can hear this awful sound...
Nevermind I heard it elsewhere. it's pretty awful
 
haha, seriously right?
 
@Josh Here is chat sound mp3 direct link sstatic.net/chat/so.mp3
 
@Nakilon Not a fan :-(
 
About time for chat to appear
AWESOMENESS
"IRC for the common man"
 
JoshOverflow
 
2:54 PM
My favourite message sound is from Psi: 92.113.2.66/chat2.wav
 
I'm not sharing my alert tones here, because I use them all and if one of them becomes the SO chat tone I'm going to get very confused
 
hehe
 
Hmm... don't make it chat's tone! ..)
 
but dear gawd please change it! (;
 
To make 90% users happy, maybe give them a choice from several samples? Which could be changed in personal preferences.
 
3:05 PM
i'm fine without a choice. the sounds in the other chats aren't horrible, so it can be done (;
 
Please let me acknowledge the flag notifications
 
hmm, i want to add to my user script to put the chat id on the message somewhere so that i don't need to use the mouse to reply. any suggestions on where that might fit? |:
 
Could be useful to have a possibility to add links in room description in this way: [title](URL)
@rchern "Reply" button is so small (
 
Hmm... Intermittent 503
 
@MarcGravell, i've seen a fair number of those recently, aye
@Nakilon, you mean the icon that tells you it is an explicit reply? I'm talking about when you are creating a reply.
I just need to figure out how to add the id to the ui somehow...
to the right doesn't work, that's where a star goes
 
3:14 PM
@rchern I was talking about the one, which right from the star.
 
ah ok. you can get to it by clicking the arrow to the left of the message too just so ya know
both methods still require the mouse though
 
second method requires two clicks
 
Error log is clean(ish) - odd. Could be external
 
@MarcGravell, i'm also seeing the app_offline.htm
@Nakilon, the less amount of mouse usage required, the happier i am.
i'm thinking the right of the message is the best. the timestamp isn't always there
 
3-4 minutes ago I had to press "Retry" 8 or 10 times for the only one message.
 
3:18 PM
and i positively despise how any error that comes up, i can't just click f5 to retry
@MarcGravell, just got a 503 on chat.meta so not limited to here it seems
 
In going to redeploy. I suspect a borked publish
 
I wondered what a bored publish was (;
 
Rebuilt and out to all servers
Let me know if it keeps happeninig ;p
 
is there a reason the flag/star/reply icons aren't appearing on all messages when hovering on the right of a message?
 
they don't appear in yours
they should appear everywhere else
 
3:27 PM
oy
 
oy
 
@MarcGravell, still seeing 503s
 
Allowing the creation of new room is pretty cool.
 
oy
 
Can you launch a new room from one of the other rooms by selecting participants?
 
3:30 PM
I got the same thing a few times
@Jordan You can with 1 users
not multiple yet
Click the Avatar
 
@Jordan You can click a particular user and pick "start a new room with this user"
 
@Jordan, you can do that for 1 person. click their avatar and you'll see the option.
 
Nice! I like the ping-on-response.
 
@Jordan, you can also separately create a new room and then invite people to it
 
I kept getting messages from @Chacha102 ages after mine and @rchern's had shown up. That was odd
 
3:32 PM
our competent team of ninja sysadmins is working on it
 
@balpha Monkey Ninja Super SysAdmins weilding Pocket Blow Torches?
 
I don't know, I'm in Berlin. Hopefully far enough :)
 
Need Question button here that posts Questions to Chat and StackOverFlow
 
The names on the left are cut off if you increase your font size a little bit.
 
@Richard, it uses the available space shrugs
 
3:42 PM
@balpha 100 rep before I can make someone a room owner right?
 
hehehe, even getting 503 on WA's chat (;
 
does the chat have some facility do embedd code?
 
for x in range(1000)
    print("Maybe...")
 
@HernánEche, if you paste multiple lines in, you'll see a fixed font button appear and you could click that.
 
@Chacha102 yes
 
3:44 PM
They cut off vertically. Missing a few chars at the end isn't bad, but seeing only the top half of letters is a bug.
 
@HernánEche, if it is a single line wrap it in `
 
{//I see
}
 
Well now, this is just fancy.
 
{/* I should put this on sandbox, but ..
  the feedback is..
  I want colored code!
/*
}
 
@HernánEche s/\/\*/\*\//
 
3:55 PM
It seems that when a chat owner pins/stars their own message, the ability to unstar it is broken
 
no, it's not broken -- you're not allowed to do that
the idea is "if it was worthy pinning, than you stand by your star"
 
<retracted>
 
That would make a great book title
 
But what if the room owner was testing and wants to take it down!
 
@balpha You can't un star a starred pin msg?
 
3:57 PM
Or, what if it becomes no longer relevant with time, etc
 
@SimonSarris Too bad...
@Josh Correct
 
you can't unstar anything
unstarring isn't allowed
except for a grace period
stars are here to stay
 
@balpha If two people in the room have the same name, can you just display 1 name in the autocomplete?
since whichever one you pick, it won't make a difference
like there are 2 joshes in here
 
hmm... I see your point -- on the other hand it's good to know that there are two
maybe a little "(2x)" instead
 
Fascinating, thanks for the clarification!
 
3:59 PM
@SimonSarris That's what we're hear for!
 
just curious: is this chat built with node.js? or.. ?
 
@balpha Can we get @all support? plz!!!
 
/me didn't check the source :P
 
when we had accidental @all support, everyone was jumping to report that as a serious bug
 
@Chacha102 I will kill you
 
4:01 PM
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js"></script>
 
(if that gets added)
 
@jweyrich Does that answer your question?
 
@Chacha102 no, not really. I meant the server side.
 
@balpha What is this hunk of junk running on? (I use hunk of junk sarcastically...)
 
Server-side, it's PHP OF COURSE
 
4:05 PM
the server is running cobol, the client is written in brainf*ck and translated to JS with Google's &%/$§%&"&% compiler
 
As I was saying, PHP...
 
I believe balpha
 
@Shog9 much ground, huh? I though it were buried already :P
 
Love the whole chat thing, my feedback would be "too much jQuery when a new person joins, otherwise very nice" :)
 
there's no such thing as "too much jQuery"
 
4:09 PM
@ba
@balpha haha... you have a point :)
 
that one is famous. wait, John is coming...
 
Amusingly, leaving this chatroom gives the message "Do you want to leave chat feedback?"
And of course if you wanted to leave chat feedback, you would not leave chat feedback!
 
My avatar has a 2 with a circle on it indicating that I have 2 flagged messages (which I don't) -- when I click it, it shows a flagged message, but it's not by me. Anyone else seeing that?
 
yes
 
@SimonSarris contradictory is cool.
 
4:14 PM
that's normal
It just means you're cursed
(AFAIK, all users with >= 10K rep points can see flags. Must see flags. Whether they like it or not)
 
i don't have the rep to see flags, but aren't they just all flags, not flagged by you? just like you can see flags on the site?
 
@Lou - that is the global flags, not aimed at you. They are visible to 10k users
 
oh -- ok. It feels like it's me from the UI -- not global
as a first impression
 
OK; that is a fair point; we can make the title text a bit clearer
2
I'll take that as a TODO
 
@MarcGravell self-starred?
 
4:17 PM
pinned
it makes it stay above all stars
 
@Chacha102 oh cool. I didn't realise. Only channel owners can do that. thanks.
 
@Shog9 I think it's to make sure we don't miss any of the offensive stuff. Can't stay logged in all day and wouldn't want to miss it. Thanks @MarcGravell.
 
it was about time
this came out
 
4:33 PM
o:
hrm
that didn't quite work out as planned
 
Hm?
 
i'm writing a userscript for chat
 
Ah ha
 
need to exclude pending messages
 
@rchern - 503 should be a bit better now; the server-pixies have been busy
 
4:41 PM
cool
hmm
someone say something please?
 
said
 
still an issue with just my messages
@balpha or @MarcGravell, any chance you could have mercy and take a look? privatepaste.com/261440ef37 prior to adding the :not part i would see 5151 pending-1, now i see 5151 5151
 
When the message loses its "pending" state (i.e. the server has confirmed reception), the id gets updated (to the now known message id). When the message loses its "posted" state (i.e. the actual message comes in through the regular event queue), the (temporary) message is replaced by the newly-arrived. One of these two (likely the second) probably triggers livequery.
 
@balpha that explains why known links take a few moments to transform
 
yep... I'm thinking about putting some kind of progressbar or ajax loader-like animation if the link looks like it could onebox
of course we won't know for sure until the server responds, be we can say "probably"
 
4:53 PM
when does a message gain a "posted" state such that it can lose it?
oh wait i think i get it
hrm
 
the message posting request to the server returns the new id -- at that moment, it's "posted"
 
so i need to figure out a way to differentiate between a local posted message and a full event-queue message
 
(these are also the css classes by the way -- .message.pending and .message.posted)
if the message has neither of these classes, it came from the event queue
 
Just wanted to say that I really like the Interface
 
thanks!
@rchern but note that an edit also causes a replace
 
4:56 PM
its not perfect but quite usable... the @ completion works quite well
good work guys!
 
but .message also applies to these? so a pending message has class=".message .message.pending"?
(since originally i just had $(".message")
 
no, it has the classes "message" and "pending", which translates to the selector ".message.pending"
 
d'oh right.
$(".message :not(.pending) :not(.posted)") ?
 
[disclaimer: all subject to change, no official support, bla bla bla :) ]
 
yada yada (;
 
4:58 PM
@rchern I think you have to drop the spaces
 
@balpha yep, no spaces in there @rchern.
 
yeah i got it
okies
yeah, there's duplication on my edit, but meh
thanks for helping!! (:
 
np
 
@rchern I guess .not('.pending, .posted') works too. Not sure though.
 
5:13 PM
one less thing for me to bug @balpha about (;
 
@MarcGravell could we have a Security room? :-)
 
@jweyrich, you should be able to create one. go to the all rooms page and look at the bottom
 
Needs 100 rep, or just ask someone to create it for you
 
@MarcGravell @rchern oh, thought it was 10k rep. Thanks.
 
and at 2k+ rep, you should be able to (;
 
5:49 PM
Hmmm looks like time to move on from irc :)
 
nice Job
 
6:43 PM
lol chat
 
Hi
 
hola
 
7:01 PM
this is.. interesting
 
right back at you, @messenger
 
ugh, this chat has wayyyy too much vertical space
i have a 1920 x 1200 monitor and i only see ~20-25 people's words
on the other hand the whole "multiroom" thing is pretty nice
 
@Clueless That's interesting. What browser are you using? I don't have a problem
 
@kenleycapps chrome
 
Same here.
Interesting
 
7:04 PM
you get more than 25 lines per window?
i counted, i have 22
you could fit a whole extra line of text between the last line of one speaker, and the first line of the next
 
Ah, I guess that doesn't hit my threshold for problematic :) Seeing the past 20-25 messages from users works for me
I think chat will need some custom theme support
 
this reminds me of ichat
with its little rounded speech bubbles
 
Man, there's a ton of information captured here. You can permalink to specific messages
Oh, nice. emphasis
 
7:53 PM
@kenleycapps Yeah. And you can onebox them too
Transcript search is really awesome also
Plus you can bookmark entire conversations and those get a permalink also
@balpha and the rest of the team did a truly awesome job on this system
 
8:09 PM
I'm really liking the software so far. It reminds me of Campfire (which I use a lot), but with more programmer oriented features.
 
Is there a way to do quotes in the chat ?
Like with the > quote in SO
 
yes
exactly like that
(just as the only thing in the message)
 
Hum, okay I tried earlier
But I forgot the space between ">" and the quote...
 
yeah, the space is required
would you ever consider adding :ss to the timestamp format?
 
8:31 PM
@rchern now that you mentioned I noticed the timestamps appear for some messages, while for others it doesn't. Hrmm.
 
right
they don't want that
 
@jweyrich I think it just attaches one to the newest message after (X minutes after the last timestamp), for some X
 
i do, and i'm fine using my own userscript for it, but without seconds, its kinda useless
i'm quite certain the answer would be no. but meh
 
@balpha Chat feedback request for SO chat: The ability to onebox PHP manual links:
for example
 
@MichaelMrozek @rchern, well, personally I don't find the timestamp useful, but some might. For instance, if one wants to point an earlier message (after certain time elapsed), he will probably use the link to that message. Maybe we could have a [title](:id) to link a message.
@rchern note the backwards smile :P
 
8:41 PM
click on the message actions menu that appears when you hover to the left of a message and copy the permalink url
if you paste that url into chat as its own message it'll onebox it
41 secs ago, by jweyrich
@rchern note the backwards smile :P
 
@rchern ahh, just ignore what I said (:
 
@jweyrich I wouldn't use it to point to the post, I would use it to know what time the post happened
Currently I do that by clicking the post's menu and hovering over the timestamp there
 
@MichaelMrozek in what occasion do you need that?
 
IRC should be used as the backend
the IRCd's server password could be parsed dynamically to authenticate user credentials ("verisign:irwin:testing123")
although to ensure this would be safe SSL would be mandatory
 
@Irwin this is IRC, they just removed all the unnecessary stuff :P
 
8:49 PM
@Irwin why?
 
because i don't mind sitting in an IRC channel, this, on the other hand, is somewhat annoying
no qualms with the user interface, i'd just prefer to be using an IRC client
 
oh, so "IRC should be..." actually means "I want IRC to be..."
 
pardon?
 
@Irwin would you teach users to use IRC?
 
when you say "IRC should be used as the backend", that sounds like you want to give a pretty compelling reason
instead, you say "because I want it"
 
8:51 PM
as far as reasoning for other users goes, another avenue of access would be beneficial
 
@jweyrich if people can figure this out what would there be to teach?
 
@jweyrich: as said, "backend".
 
@Irwin you said "backend", not "avenue of access"
that's the precise opposite
 
@balpha: another way to access it would be via an IRC client.
 
@Irwin and who told you this isn't backed by an IRCd?
 
8:53 PM
@jweyrich: it may be, but i doubt it.
 
Is this backed by irc?
 
no
 
@Irwin, there are several posts on meta regarding chat and irc, but the general feeling is that irc integration would be a waste of time. not saying everybody, but things tend to go south at the mention of irc.
@Irwin, there are several posts on meta regarding chat and irc, but the general feeling is that irc integration would be a waste of time. not saying everybody, but things tend to go south at the mention of irc.
@balpha, might need to get those ninja's back, seeing 503 again
 
@rchern: i'll be the first to concede that certain stigmata associated with IRC do have basis, i see little difference from this and IRC
 
Heh, I just came to report that.
But you've provided a live example. :P
 
8:57 PM
@rchern: i'll be the first to concede that certain stigmata associated with IRC do have basis, i see little difference from this and IRC
a good moderating team is the key to keep things going well on IRC and that'll probably be the case for this too as time progresses.
 
@Irwin I like IRC either, but using it as a backend requires persistent connections with the frontend (one per user). Obviously one can rewrite it to use a single channel, but this seems too much effort IMO.
 
@jweyrich: given how extensible InspIRCd is, it'd definitely be worth the time taken, in my opinion.
i'd also be willing to bed that network I/O would be less via IRC when multiple "rooms" were involved
 
@Irwin besides that, you might need multiple interconnected servers (hubs, etc). Another reason for not having it is because of banning, etc. Should OPs/halfops be room admins? Can they ban? And lots of other questions.
 
what does banning have to do with anything?
users generally need to be moderated
as sad as it is, it is true
and that isn't just irc
here as well
 
@jwe
 
9:02 PM
@rchern right, but IRC allows you to ban in various ways. How do you remove those bans via web interface? You may have been banned by identd. or host.. not only nick.
 
there are room admins here, there are people with explicit write access (sounds like +m), there are rooms only some people can get in (+i) etc
 
@jweyrich: i think you're underestimating a well-configured IRCd's efficiency
 
@jweyrich, nothing a simple search bans ui can't handle
 
@jweyrich: by identifying at the connection stage, nickname/ident/etc would all be locked, and banning would typically only need to target nicknames
i frequent another IRC server which has a similar setup - requiring users to use their forum nickname & specify their forum password as the server password
 
@Irwin @rchern so I propose one thing: come up with all necessary things to port this to a IRCd backend, and you'll have a great argument ;-)
 
9:06 PM
given that it's highly unlikely that this'll be open-sourced, that's not really feasible
IRC authentication based on open-ID & what-not, on the other hand, would be relatively simple
 
@Irwin however, you might get a new job at SO ;P
 
i still suggest you both search meta as there have been discussions regarding the topic
 
unfortunately i'm already employed and not in the same continent :P
 
same continent is irrelevant. the team isn't.
 
@Irwin "unforunately" expresses a certain degree of unhappiness. No offense, of course.
 
9:12 PM
going through meta, it seems that a few people have tried to reverse engineer the protocol, assuming somebody manages to document it properly i wouldn't mind working on something
 
@rchern I did search, but I didn't have time to read all of them, yet. Anyway, I'm enjoying this interface. Good job :-)
 
"good job"? @rchern worked on this?
 
chat is a pretty cool feature
 
@Irwin, @balpha and @Marc get all credit
(and all blame mwuahahaha)
 
 
1 hour later…
10:30 PM
i can not find any groovy or grails room. can i make some rooms?
 
@RayTayek Sure!
 
@Josh how? can not see anything in faq
 
@RayTayek, since you have 100+ rep, click all rooms upper right, scroll to the bottom of the page that opens and click create rooms
 
@rchern great! - will try now
 
Am I supposed to be able to join/view the transcripts of deleted rooms? The buttons are grayed out on the room's info page, but I can still click them and they work
 
10:39 PM
view the transcripts, sure why not?
you've got the access to see it
 
/me suspects the 'create room' button was purposely put in the bottom.
 
hehe
 
@rchern worked fine - thank you :)
 
Quick question: How do I cleanly log out of a room?
 
@Tomalak, upper right underneath the room name and description, you'll see leave (all)
leave: just the current room, all: all rooms
 
10:50 PM
oh right.
thanks :)
chat UI seems a little crowded at first.
 
@RayTayek Sorry, was answering a question
 
11:08 PM
Create room is at the bottom so you at least look for an existing room first
 
of course (:
 
Deleted rooms are like deleted questions on SO; 10k can see them. If you didnt have access you wouldn't see it in the first place.
 
11:30 PM
@MarcGravell the 'at least look for...' argument makes no sense if you consider pagination, IMO. But I get it.
 
you can filter the rooms
 
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